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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-05-01

---Logopened Tue May 01 00:00:52 2018
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00:56<ap4lmtree>hi
00:56<ap4lmtree>virtualbox is in backports only now and not main?
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00:58<ap4lmtree>why is it isn't in main
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00:59<bblough>My understanding is that is has to do with the way Oracle is doing its releases.
01:00<bblough>I think they're not separating security fixes from feature releases, and it makes it too difficult for the maintainers to keep patched
01:01<bblough>or something like that
01:01<bblough>ap4lmtree ^
01:01<ap4lmtree>okay, so maybe i should use an oracle repo
01:02<bblough>Up to you. I know many people (myself included) simply switched over to kvm with virt-manager
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01:08<themill>you can no longer build virtualbox with a free compiler
01:08<themill>(hence not in main)
01:22<ap4lmtree>i installed the oracle 5.2 version one, it is an icon on my desktop , but i dont see a link in my start menu
01:22<ap4lmtree>how can i add it to my start menu?
01:23<ap4lmtree>i guess ill google
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01:30<ap4lmtree>i found it , it is label "oracle virtualbox" in system sub menu rather than "virtualbox" in application submenu
01:30<ap4lmtree>accessories submenu
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01:49<user>hi
01:49<user>anyone is here
01:49<bremner>!ask
01:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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01:49<Guest1392>hi
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08:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:14<evgeny>Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Debian buster/sid • CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU N3060 @ 1.60GHz (513MHz) • Memory: Physical: 3,7 ГиБ Total (2,2 ГиБ Free) Swap: 3,8 ГиБ Total (3,8 ГиБ Free) • Storage: 344,2 ГБ / 482,3 ГБ (138,1 ГБ Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Proces
09:14<evgeny>sor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series SoC Transaction Register • Uptime: 11h 10m 52s
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09:59<Jan\>id like to have 500TB too
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10:30<desafder>so quiet or i am missing something ?
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10:32<bremner>!ask
10:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:35<sediment>hi does anyone have experience bruteforcing a macOS machine?
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11:50<Evgeny>Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Debian buster/sid • CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU N3060 @ 1.60GHz (1,06GHz) • Memory: Physical: 3,7 ГиБ Total (2,2 ГиБ Free) Swap: 3,8 ГиБ Total (3,8 ГиБ Free) • Storage: 344,0 ГБ / 482,3 ГБ (138,4 ГБ Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Proce
11:50<Evgeny>ssor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series SoC Transaction Register • Uptime: 13h 46m 51s
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12:02<desafder>can I lock my system so no update upgrade ever gets installed ?
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12:03<arto>desafder, it is possible, by example deleting /etc/apt/sources.list
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12:04<desafder>arto : thank you again
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12:04<arto>desafder, but be aware, that you lose security updates, and my become affected to vulnerabilities
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12:05<desafder>arto: that's ok those are not online remember
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12:05<arto>desafder, ok, sorry, now I remember you, hello agein!
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12:12<desafder>arto: the very very old machines we use to compile needs stability not security . I noticed a compiler got upgraded that's going to cost us quite a bit of $$ porting our legacy code to upgraded. making using debian quite expensive . I like the delete trick ( simple effective..)
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12:13<arto>desafder, i underdstand, people have different needs
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12:33<jhutchins>Yeah, you save money doing that, but then when the hardware fails and the replacement hardware isn't supported by your obsolete software you end up spending a lot more to do the update then, and you have downtime while you do it.
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12:34<jhutchins>I'm dealing with trying to get a pre-2004 database onto modern software. It's probably going to end up costing a year's salary for a dev that could have kept it up-to-date.
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12:38<arto>jhutchins: well known example was when british geographers measured the whole coastline of British island, data was stored on 8-bit Amstrad. Years later the data was needed, and after long searching only option was to build 8-bit amstrad again from scratch, blueprints were found, but desafder has a plan, we have talked before
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14:06<poogle>how do I do apt-get dist-upgrade but where everything that has serious/grave bugs showing in apt-listbugs isn't installed?
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14:10<blast007>are you running sid?
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14:13<boogydog>hi
14:14<boogydog>#exit
14:14<boogydog>exit
14:14<annadane> /exit?
14:14<boogydog>ohh yes..... actually i'm new
14:14<boogydog>and just testing it
14:15<boogydog>i still doesn't understand how the hell to connect with these irc
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14:29<poogle>blast007, sorry - I was afk for a bit ... yes, I'm running sid.
14:29<blast007>testing/unstable are supported in #debian-next
14:30<annadane>anyway, i'm not sure you can even do that
14:30<annadane>except maybe script it
14:31<poogle>blast007, this isn't a sid-specific question ... it's a question related to apt/apt-listbugs ...
14:31<poogle>annadane, yeah, maybe you're right ... probably wouldn't be that hard to write a script to do. ...
14:32<poogle>I was just wondering if apt/aptitude had any builtin tools for doing it more easily
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14:40<jhutchins>poogle: One reason we suggest debian-next is that more people there are likely to be doing this kind of thing.
14:40<jhutchins>poogle: It's not something you would expect to do with stable.
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15:04<desafder_>jhutchins/arto: if at one point the value to recover the old stuff is higher than the value of old code . the decision is easy trash the hole thing. the pay as you go constant expenses makes it very difficult to estimate if any value is created or just people are just wasting energy& time keeping alive something that will has declining value aproaching 0 anyways. today there is absolutly no reason I should buy new hardware and connect to
15:04<desafder_>internet those build equipments and keep them up to date . their today's purpose is met as they are
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15:16<desafder_>I have to say gnu/linux &gcc(driver build in & source code ) has been a great help in those machine&our C++ investments been usefull for so long. let's hope the future hold the same way
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15:19<brenlae>hi, i have debian 9.4, i also have kernel 4.9.0-6-amd64 - is the spectre vulnerability fixed yet?
15:20<brenlae>i just got a kernel update today
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15:23<ach>!spectre
15:23<dpkg>methinks spectre is https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-5753 https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-5715
15:24<Blacker47>brenlae: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2018/msg00114.html
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15:25<brenlae>ok
15:26<brenlae>Blacker47: nice i'm all good
15:26<brenlae>Blacker47: much thanks, have a nice day :)
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16:04<ach>for what was spectre even good?
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16:12<mnuhmnuh>ach: security sky-is-fallin' paranoics.
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16:18<ach>well i don't know why it is that much dangerous someone can have an trojan horse on your system that reads the kernel memory
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16:21<somiaj>ach: specter could let you get information about location of memeory, that could then be exploited using other techniques like rowhammer.
16:21<somiaj>though my limited understanding is that the actuall affect is still kinda unknown, as most the attack vectors have been blocked, but new ones could come up and with the help of spectre2 gain control
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16:23<ach>yeah it's simple different buffer overflow for torjan horse attack
16:24<ach>as i understand it works not without contact to the attack system
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16:36<somiaj>ach: since it is a timming issue, most of the common methods (like javascript) have had patches to ensure their timing is no fine grain enough to exploit it. So I think most known remote attack vectors are dealt with, but it is something that may be around for a while.
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16:38<ach>i am no worth for but i apologies?
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16:40<ach>i am not a worth for
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16:45<mcpudding>anyone else got problems upgrading non-free nvidia drivers from 384.111-4~deb9u1 to 384.130-1?
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16:46<annadane>what problems?
16:46<annadane>,v nvidia-driver
16:46<judd>Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; jessie-backports/non-free: 384.111-4~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 384.111-4~deb9u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 390.48-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 390.48-3; sid/non-free: 390.48-3
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16:47<mcpudding>k im running stable
16:47<mcpudding>and i get 384.130-1 from proposed-updates
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16:52<jhutchins>mcpudding: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
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16:54<mcpudding>What i tried to do: Running a regular update on my Debian Stretch machines. How: using Synaptic. Expected: A normal upgrade without any conflicts. What happened: A lot of conflicts in updating the nvidia related packages from 384.111-4~deb9u1 to 384.130-1?
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16:56<bremner>mcpudding: you're upgrading from jessie-backports to stretch-proposed-updates?
16:57<mcpudding>no i think everything is within proposed-updates
16:57<bremner>something looks broken there. The version in jessie-backports is not upgradable to stable
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16:58<mcpudding>i am not using any backports
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16:59<jhutchins>bremner: Perhaps the version in jessie-backports was previously in wheezy proposed-updates?
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16:59<jhutchins>Er, stretch.
16:59<mcpudding>might be
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17:01<mcpudding>is there a copy past url for this channel?
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17:01<jhutchins>bremner: It's not surprising that something in proposed-updates doesn't have all of it's dependencies available yet.
17:01<jhutchins>!paste
17:01<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
17:01<mcpudding>ty
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17:02<mcpudding>my sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/1022855/
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17:02<mcpudding>nothing special i think
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17:14<jhutchins>mcpudding: proposed-updates is not always unbroken, that's why it's "proposed".
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17:24<mnuhmnuh>mcpudding: you have ubuntu trusty in there. !frankendebian
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17:27<jhutchins>mcpudding: That's exactly what happens when you mix releases or distros, you end up with broken dependencies. Have fun with the clean install!
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19:54<techack>hello
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20:01<Infiltrator>!hello
20:01<dpkg>Hi, infiltrator!
20:01<Infiltrator>!ask
20:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
20:02<muniz>GOOD EVENING
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