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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-05-03

---Logopened Thu May 03 00:00:55 2018
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02:37<fr0xk>Hi everyone, is Debian testing recommended for desktop use?
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02:39<fr0xk>I am currently at stable, I am comming from Gentoo linux (after bored with compiling everything)
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02:41<arto>fr0xk, testing is for testing, anyone can use any debian they wish, but if you need to ask help, it's norm that use stable
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02:43<fr0xk>arto: can u explain what "testing" means for debian?
02:44<arto>fr0xk, testing phase means that no new packages are added, that period is to hunt down any grave faults
02:44<arto>fr0xk, when threre are no rc bugs, testing comes next stable
02:45<arto>fr0xk, that all and much more is explained on debian net site
02:45<fr0xk>arto: Ok,what if certain packages may not installable "say libgtk-3-dev" and I need to compile something right now, what should one do in that matter?
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02:47<arto>fr0xk, mixing debian version is bad idea
02:48<fr0xk>arto: Hmm, seems debian stable is on go.. can I develop packages for debian in debian stable? Like contributing to debian in future etc?
02:49<arto>fr0xk, that's great, maybe you should install sid
02:49<fr0xk>arto: ow, u mean that unstable branch?
02:50<arto>fr0xk, yep, but you can install it virtually, I personally would not have only unstable as my daily os
02:50<fr0xk>arto: I got u completely. Thanks a lot. :)
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02:51<arto>no problem
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04:58<ejr>has anybody in here managed to install icecat on debian 9?
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05:00<arto>ejr, not in stable's repositery
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05:02<Anarka>thas new iceweasel ?
05:02<ejr>arto: i know, that's why I wonder whether anyone managed to compile it from source. I always got various errors and don't know how to resolve the last one.
05:02<ejr>Anarka: no
05:03<ejr>I mean, yes. But not the iceweasel that's in the debian repo
05:03<Anarka>even in debian i think its gone in favor of firefox
05:03<Anarka>but yeah icecat seems to have a few extras
05:03<arto>ejr: can you paste that error
05:05<ejr>arto: here are the lines:
05:05<ejr>https://hastebin.com/uravigepit.coffeescript
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05:06<arto>ejr: have you googled that, for me that's hebrew :)
05:07<ejr>arto: i have, can't find anything useful.
05:08<ejr>i asked in the icecat chan but got no reply so far (there is hardly anyone in there so I'm not sure if I will)
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05:09<arto>ejr, first error is already on line 9
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05:11<ejr>arto: yes, but I can't really make sense of it
05:11<arto>ejr: there are many problems, i have not compiled any c-sources for a long time, but general rule, that you solve first, compile, again first, etc.
05:12<Anarka>ince its based on firefox have you installed its dependencies ?
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05:14<ejr>Anarka: yes
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05:15<arto>ejr:google only errors, like line 9: struct ucontext context;
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05:18<arto>ejr: still requires quite lot of c-experience
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05:21<arto>ejr: https://linuxconfig.org/icecat-5-installation-on-debian-6-squeeze
05:22<arto>ejr: maybe some hints
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05:24<arto>ejr: just icecat debian gives many hits
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05:30<gonzalo>hi, how can I do a dpkg-reconfigure gdm3, and select gdm3 and not lightdm, non interactive?
05:30<ejr>arto: thanks, looking into it
05:32<arto>gonzalo, just install gdm3, and remove lightdm
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05:34<gonzalo>I need gdm3 and lightmd in the same system...
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05:34<arto>gonzalo, ok, as root dpkg-reconfigure gdm3
05:35<arto>gonzalo: but I did not understand non interactive in this context
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05:37<gonzalo>arto: I need to make a script no interactive
05:37<jamesmc>gonzalo: You can change the content of /etc/X11/default-display-manager
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05:38<jamesmc>Not sure if it will get changed back in some circumstances, though
05:38<voobscout>Hello everyone! is there any info on when anonscm.debian.org will be back up? It's been down for a few days and there are no mirrors....
05:39<voobscout>all the repos hosted there are down
05:39<arto>jamesmc, I think that will need killing X and restarting
05:39<gonzalo>jamesmc: I tested it, but it didn't work...
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05:42<arto>gonzalo: dm can't be changed on the fly, just I said, needs to logout X and start it again
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05:47<arto>gonzalo: that could be scriptable: rm /tmp/.x0-lock; killall *dm; change dm; start dm
05:48<arto>gonzalo: mught work, no guarantee :)
05:48<arto>might work
05:48<gonzalo>arto: thanks!! i am goint to test it!! ;)
05:49<arto>gonzalo: and file is /tmp/.X0-lock not .x0-lock
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05:59<jamesmc>Yeah, the file will only be checked when the services try to start
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08:22<ilmaisin>hello
08:22<dudertoad>hello
08:22<ilmaisin>i am running thunderbird on debian stretch
08:22<ilmaisin>openbox as wm, no de
08:22<ilmaisin>why does thunderbird open links in chromium and not firefox even when i have latter as the default browser
08:23<dudertoad>you need to setup firefox as a default browser
08:23<dudertoad>run as root
08:24<dudertoad>update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
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08:24<dudertoad>unless you already did that?
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08:25<ilmaisin>dudertoad: yes, i have done that
08:25<cef>also check gnome-www-browser
08:26<cef>thunderbird might be using that instead (for some stupid reason)
08:26<ilmaisin>that too was firefox
08:26<cef>also possible thunderbird has setting for which browser to use.
08:26<ilmaisin>is there anyone here who actually knows how does thunderbird determine the browser instead of just guessing?
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08:29<dudertoad>I have a question too, if I may. I'm running openbox as well and certain programs (I guess gnome programs) have a "unlock" button, which should prompt a password window, but it doesn't work. Namely system-config-printers. I thought the problem was lack of gsku but that's been discontinued.
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08:29<ilmaisin>dudertoad: that's a policykit thing
08:30<ilmaisin>dudertoad: you need to have some policykit agent, i installed lxpolkit and put it in my .config/openbox/startup
08:30<dudertoad>ilmaisin: thank you!
08:30<ilmaisin>no problem
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08:31<cef>ilmaisin: might prove relevant for you: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Changing_the_web_browser_invoked_by_Thunderbird
08:32<cef>ps: second hit on google for 'thunderbird linux default browser'
08:32<cef>night
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08:33<ilmaisin>cef: but still kind of workaround, don't know where on earth it got the idea of opening links with chromium
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08:36<ilmaisin>maybe it uses xdg-open
08:36<dudertoad>ilmaisin: I suppose this is the same as the previous solution? https://askubuntu.com/questions/130158/how-do-i-make-thunderbird-open-links-in-chromium
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08:38<ilmaisin>dudertoad: i'll take a look
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08:38<findow>What happens to Debian Testing repos the day of a new Debian release? Will you get tonnes of new updates for the next version (the "next next" version, so to speak) ?
08:39<bremner>more or less
08:39<bremner>that's why I usually pref to use a codename like buster.
08:39<bremner>but this is all a better topic for #debian-next
08:39<findow>I see
08:39<findow>ah thanks
08:40<findow>Im just looking for a way to escape these release cycles... Ubuntu upgrades keeps breaking for me. I was thinking maybe debian testing would solve this. But maybe not.
08:40<babilen>findow: It simply depends on what you want to achieve.. but generally speaking: The first couple of weeks after a new stable release, testing and unstable get quite 'unruly' and you might want to stick to the new stable for a while
08:40<babilen>Once things normalise, you can switch to the 'new' testing codename and the cycle continues
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08:41<findow>I see, so I dont even have to change anything in sources.list ?
08:41<ach>hi
08:41<findow>"next" will just change by it self?
08:41<dudertoad>findow: you do, you'll have to change the name from buster to the next
08:41<babilen>If you think about tracking testing, you *have* to also enable unstable in your sources.list to be able to grab security upgrades before they transition and to help with transitions/package removals. See "/msg dpkg tum" for info on such a setup
08:41<babilen>findow: ^
08:41<dudertoad>nevermind I'm out of my element
08:42<findow>Okay, thanks guys :)
08:42<ach>no never :<
08:42<ach>bye away
08:42<babilen>findow: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable is also worth a read (if all you take away is to install apt-listbugs, you've won already)#
08:42<dudertoad>Thanks a lot for the help, good luck with the thunderbird problem. bye
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08:43<findow>babilen: thanks, good tip. maybe I should roll unstable then.
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08:43<findow>do you have any experience in how unstable it reallty is?
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08:44<findow>For desktop usage
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08:47<findow>ill ask #debian-next, thanks :D
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08:49<babilen>findow: It's fine to track testing, just make sure you also have unstable in your sources.list and to set the default release. Personally I prefer unstable, but it is more work than testing and bugs hit you first!
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10:47<jhutchins>!ask
10:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:57<sudoquai>Does somebody now how to negate this regular expression .[^.]*
10:57<sudoquai>its the regular expression for hidden files only
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11:01<guardian>hello, I have a package that depends on libssl1.0
11:01<guardian>but on stretch it's libssl1.1
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11:01<guardian>I have a theorical question, let's pretend libssl1.1 is ABI compatible with libssl1.0 which I don't know
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11:02<guardian>is there a way to tell dpkg "when someone requests libssl1.0, just use libssl1.1"?
11:02<Blacker47>sudoquai, sounds not like a regex for "hidden files only". more like only hidden files that don't contain a second dot in the filename.
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11:04<sudoquai>Blacker47 I am not a regex expert - the thing i want to do is a borg extract with all hidden files only. borg extract doesnt support include patterns, only exclude. https://borgbackup.readthedocs.io/en/stable/usage/extract.html#
11:05<arto>guardian: apt find both on my debian 9.4, libssl1.0.0 and libssl1.0
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11:05<guardian>I'm talking about 1.0 vs 1.1
11:06<arto>guardian, what difference between 1.00 and 1.0 ?
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11:07<blast007>guardian: stretch has libssl1.0.2 as well
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11:07<Blacker47>sudoquai, so what do you want exactly? exclude all non-hidden files so only hidden are extracted? what is about paths? the link you post speaks about ONLY PATHS if i understand it right.
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11:09<sudoquai>Blacker47 Exactly this behaviour you described. I want to borg extract all hidden files and all hidden directories and need a solution for this.
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11:16<arto>guardian: typo from me, it should have been libssl1.0 and libssl1.1 and as blast007 said, there is alss libss1,0.2,
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11:20<Blacker47>sudoquai, try something like --exclude 're:^.*\/\..*'
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11:21<Blacker47>or maybe --exclude 're:^.*/\..*'
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11:33<sudoquai>Blacker47: i've tried it right now - doesn't work. Normal directories and files are extracted
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11:38<bblough>sudoquai: periods need to be escaped otherwise they're interpreted as "any character". If you're looking for hidden files, try escaping the first period. Maybe something like \..*
11:39<bblough>It might need to be anchored: ^\..*
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11:47<sudoquai>bblough i hate regex :)
11:47<bblough>= "/exec beep"
11:48<sudoquai>bblough Blacker47 i only need a simple solution for restoring my user config from my borg backup :D
11:48<bblough>= "/exec beep"
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12:01<guardian>arto blast007 ok thanks, double checking my stuff
12:03<guardian>I'm getting Depends: libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.1) but it is not installable
12:03<guardian>while package libssl1.0.2 is installed
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12:11<arto>guardian: aptitude show libssl1.0-dev, libssl1.0.0, libssl1.0.2 and libssl1.1. Is your sources.list ok?
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12:13<jhutchins>guardian: What is it you're trying to install?
12:14<Blacker47>sudoquai, all-in-one backup solutions should only be used if you know how to restore data. i have no idea about borg. you can restore all and then pick your files. also see: http://borgbackup.readthedocs.io/en/latest/usage/help.html#borg-help-patterns
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13:01<guardian>jhutchins: mongodb-corp because I need 3.6 :(
13:02<guardian>I meant mongodb-org
13:02<guardian>they don't provide stretch packages yet
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13:04<OTime>Maybe this is the wrong room but I figured I would ask. Do you guys see any issues with updating a debian servers time without taking it down for maintenance if the time is currently behind and not ahead?
13:04<OTime>In terms of mysql basically
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13:10<retrospectacus>OTime: not generally a problem, but the application(s) using the data in mysql might have issues with timestamped data, perhaps
13:11<OTime>retrospectacus: I figure since its in the past, there will just be slight jump in the created on records for new ones vs old
13:12<retrospectacus>sure
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13:12<retrospectacus>the app might regard some record as expired when it is not really, for example. How much is the time off?
13:13<retrospectacus>ps. Use NTP
13:14<OTime>retrospectacus: max looks to be 5 minutes
13:14<OTime>retrospectacus: I am going to install ntpdate and configure it, if thats what you mean by NTP
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13:25<dudertoad>Hello, could anyone with openbox knowledge help me with binding slock to a keyboard shortcut? I can't seem to understand why it doesn't work.
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13:51<maxyz[m]>dudertoad (IRC): inside the <keyboard> tag <keybind key="C-A-l"><action name="Execute"><command>slock</command></action></keybind>, or something like that
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13:53<dudertoad>maxyz[m]: but that's the thing! it simply doesn't do anything! it works from a terminal, it works from the openbox menu, but it just won't do a thing through the keybind
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13:54<dudertoad>maxyz[m]: it's driving me nuts, I've bound dozens of things and I can't figure out why this one won't work
13:56<maxyz[m]>Any info in your ~/.xsession-errors ? Have you reloaded you openbox ?
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13:58<dudertoad>maxyz[m]: Ok, I must be missing something obvious because I just tried a different key combination and it works...
13:58<dudertoad>maxyz[m]: Is something wrong with <keybind key="W-l">
13:58<dudertoad> <action nane="Execute">
13:58<dudertoad> <command>terminator</command>
13:58<dudertoad> </action>?
13:59<dudertoad>slock instead of terminator, I was seeing if that would work
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14:00<maxyz[m]>it says nane instead of name
14:01<dudertoad>holy f-
14:01<dudertoad>Thank you so much....
14:01<dudertoad>I feel like a complete idiot
14:02<dudertoad>Alright then, thanks again, works flawlessly now.
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14:03<annadane>how iNANE :P
14:04<retrospectacus>if only some sort of automatic computing machine could write that xml for you
14:05<dudertoad>annadane: indeed
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14:06<dudertoad>retrospectacus: what do you mean?
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14:17<retrospectacus>just a joke at Openbox's expense
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14:41<iobound>anyone else running debian7 i386 (686) in virtualbox? after applying the latest kernel patch, the VM crashes with a guru meditation after grub loads the kernel. linux-image-3.2.0-6-686-pae crashes (DLA-1369-1), downgrading to the previous one linux-image-3.2.0-5-686-pae works
14:41<annadane>iobound, possibly the issue is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=897460
14:41<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/897460 in src:linux-latest (closed): «linux-latest: wheezy linux-image-amd64 has missing dependency linux-image-3.2.0-6-amd64»; severity: normal; opened: 2018-05-02; last modified: 2018-05-02.
14:42<annadane>this was apparently patched, though
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14:46<iobound>no, this is i386 (686), not amd64. the kernel installs and appears in grub, but it causes a virtualbox guru meditation when initializing
14:46<annadane>okay, sorry.
14:46<iobound>so that's a different bug. thanks for looking though
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14:53<pi_>hi
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14:54<pi_>hi
14:54<annadane>pi_
14:54<annadane>hi
14:54<annadane>!ask
14:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:54<pi_>i am simon
14:54<annadane>if you say "hi" only, we don't know if you have a question or not
14:55<pi_>no no question
14:55<annadane>ah, ok. if you just want social chat, there's #debian-offtopic; this is a channel for support quesitons
14:55<annadane>s/quesitons/questions
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14:56<pi_>so what chanole is that?
14:56<annadane>which one? this or #debian-offtopic?
14:56<pi_>the social
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14:57<annadane>just off-topic social conversation (though it usually is pretty dead)
14:57<pi_>ok thanks
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15:01<pi_>o btw do you know a lot about raspberrypis?
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15:02<annadane>not me personally
15:02<annadane>!raspberry
15:02<dpkg>The Raspberry Pi is an open hardware design based on a Broadcom system-on-a-chip, requiring <non-free> <firmware>. Debian's <armel> port works fine, but does not use the Pi's hardware floating point unit. Debian's <armhf> port targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it. http://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi http://www.raspberrypi.org/ #raspberrypi on irc.freenode.net.
15:02<pi_>yes
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15:04<pi_>cool well i am using a rpi3 and i am wondering where the pi store is found?
15:05<pi_>can you help me
15:05<annadane>i can't; i know nothing about it
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15:06<pi_>ok thanks anyway
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15:09<pi_>do you know about linux i also need help with that
15:10<annadane>!newcomer
15:10<dpkg>Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: https://debian-handbook.info/ Reference manual: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ FAQ: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ - reading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian is also a very good idea.
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15:10<pi_>btw are you real?
15:10<dudertoad>I know I am. I think.
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15:12<pi_>annadane i want to know if you know about scp and ssh
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15:12<annadane>no and you can easily look it up
15:12<annadane>man ssh
15:13<pi__>annadane: Oh. I'm completely new to this program. Hello.
15:13<pi_>OK I HAVE BEEN USING LINUX FOR ABOUT 2 YEARS
15:14<pi_>sorry i think i prest the caps lock
15:14<pi__>LOL
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15:15<pi_>ok i am back
15:16<pi__>Why does the program show information about my computer and internet information?
15:17<blast007>are you using Raspbian?
15:17<pi__>Yes.
15:17<blast007>!raspbian
15:17<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
15:17<blast007>they might have more info about the Pi specific software on that channel/network.
15:17<pi__>Ok. Should I leave then?
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16:47<crash_bandicoot02>i try to make a keyboard launcher for my home folder but every shortcut i set doesnt work im using gnome anyhelp
16:47<crash_bandicoot02>?
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16:55<dudertoad>What do you mean?
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16:58<dudertoad>crash_bandicoot02: it should be here - Gnome Settings -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts -> Custom Shortcuts
17:01<crash_bandicoot02>dudertoad, yes but then what is the command
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17:01<crash_bandicoot02>also what is the explorer key?
17:01<dudertoad>crash_bandicoot02, what are you trying to do?
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17:04<crash_bandicoot02>dudertoad, which one is the key explorer cause home folder appear as the explorer keyboard launcher
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17:10<dudertoad>crash_bandicoot02, I'm not sure, honestly. If you have any extra keys on your keyboard, it's probably that.
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17:13<dudertoad>crash_bandicoot02, you can run this command " xev | awk -F'[ )]+' '/^KeyPress/ { a[NR+2] } NR in a { printf "%-3s %s\n", $5, $8 }' " and press whatever keys you like to see what they're called
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17:13<crash_bandicoot02>dudertoad, wow that is totally advance for my
17:13<crash_bandicoot02>im new in linux
17:13<dudertoad>crash_bandicoot02, ok i found it, I also have an explorer key
17:13<crash_bandicoot02>:)
17:14<dudertoad>crash_bandicoot02, is it a lenovo laptop?
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17:14<crash_bandicoot02>dudertoad, no, i have a hp
17:14<dudertoad>crash_bandicoot02, the key is called XF86Explorer and it looks like 6 small squares for me.
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17:15<dudertoad>crash_bandicoot02, it's one of the fn keys on F12
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17:16<crash_bandicoot02>dudertoad, for me f12 is the wifi key device
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17:17<dudertoad>crash_bandicoot02, well it might be one of the F* keys, but if it's not there, you can change it to anything you like
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17:18<crash_bandicoot02>dudertoad, i finally fix that i just add nautilus /home/user
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17:19<crash_bandicoot02>dudertoad, nautilis is the default file manager for gnome???
17:19<dudertoad>crash_bandicoot02, oh, i must've misunderstood then. glad you figured it out :)
17:19<dudertoad>crash_bandicoot02, yes.
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17:21<crash_bandicoot02>dudertoad, ok one last questions until when debian strecth gonna be the current stable distro
17:21<crash_bandicoot02>?
17:22<dudertoad>crash_bandicoot02, whenever it's ready, but it will be supported until at least the year 2022.
17:24<crash_bandicoot02>dudertoad, i mean debian alwayas are changing his current stable version now current version is stretch which one gonna be the next
17:24<dudertoad>crash_bandicoot02, buster
17:24<crash_bandicoot02>debian buster
17:24<crash_bandicoot02>?
17:24<dudertoad>yes
17:25<crash_bandicoot02>but when it gonna be stable
17:25<annadane>2019
17:25<annadane>probably around july
17:25<crash_bandicoot02>so the next year i have to upgrade it
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17:25<annadane>well, within the next 2 years
17:26<annadane>stretch will still be supported for a full year and then the long term support initiative takes over
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17:27<crash_bandicoot02>ok
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18:12<Chinaski>hola
18:12<annadane>!es
18:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
18:12<annadane>Chinaski, ^
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22:31<reds>I have two screens on my computer and for some reason the lxde desktop settings when right clicking is inaccessible. Does any one know why this is the case? Heres an image of what it looks like https://i.imgur.com/zbIeJUx.png
22:32<reds>* when right clicking on the right screen
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22:49<somiaj>reds: looks like the filemanager isn't spanning both screens.
22:49<somiaj>reds: unsure what file manager lxde uses, but maybe look at its configs.
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22:50<somiaj>looks like it is pcman
22:50<reds>somiaj: Fairly sure it uses pcmanfm
22:51<somiaj>hmm, maybe it isn't, I know in gnome, it is natulus that controls the icons on the desktop, and that right screen menu looks like a filemanager thing (create folder...)
22:53<somiaj>reds: hmm, are you using pcmanfm or pcmanfm-qt, the desciption seems to say the second is a desktop icon manager, check its permsisions.
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22:54<reds>I wasn't sure how to do that so instead I just checked the package manager. It seems that pcmanfm is the one that's installed.
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22:55<reds>Without the qt
22:57<somiaj>hmm, anyways, i'm not seeing how to configure pcmanfm to even act as the desktop (though I don' tuse lxde). But that is where I would look, also look in the lxde preferences
22:58<somiaj>reds: https://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37182 -- seems pcmanfm doesn't work with multiple screens. If you don't like that the solution there is to use other software.
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22:59<reds>Well maybe it's because I'm using the wrong preferences program but the one I've been trying only works with the left screen. What's odd is that it was working just fine the other day
22:59<reds>Just saw your last post
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23:10<awal1>not sure about what you were talking but for make pcmanfm manage desktop: pcmanfm --desktop
23:10<awal1>reds
23:14<awal1>pcmanfm have the option --one-screen that means it can manage multiple screens
23:14<awal1>well, i never used it for that purpose; so just guessing
23:14<reds>awal1 Well the problem I'm having is that the second screen can't have any files moved on it at all. Also I can't change the wallpaper for that screen separately like I used to by right clicking as that menu is gone.
23:15<awal1>reds, I don't have multiple screens now, I can't experiment for you
23:16<reds>Well --desktop seems to do nothing so far
23:17<awal1>I know fvwm-crystal with xinerama uses pcmanfm (and other fm's) for manage multiple screens and woks fine
23:18<awal1>"pcmanfm --desktop" should make pcmanfm handle your desktop. i am testing in my vm and works
23:18<awal1>doesn't work for you?
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23:19<reds>That's the thing, It was working fine a few days ago. But then I tried changing the default folder for the desktop for monitor 1 it broke and now monitor 1 wont really of all too much for the desktop side of things
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23:21<awal1>what is your DE/WM?
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23:23<reds>i tried "pcmanfm --desktop-pref" and it brings up the same prompt as if I clicked the option highlighted here https://i.imgur.com/bBtQREg.png however when I right click on the right screen there is no option for that ( https://i.imgur.com/zbIeJUx.png ) and I can't use the preferences for the left screen to modify things for the right screen (obviously)
23:23<reds>I think it's lxde and openbox
23:24<awal1>are you using lxrandr?
23:25<reds>Are you asking if it's installed or are you asking if I'm referring to it?
23:25<reds>It's installed btw
23:25<awal1>according to what you say I deduce that pcmanfm is not managing your second screen
23:26<awal1>my question was if you used 'lxrandr' for configure your monitors
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23:28<awal1>https://wiki.lxde.org/en/PCManFM#Multiple_monitor_setup
23:28<reds>In that case yes. It's what I used in order for me to enable a new screen whenever I plug in said new screen into my computer.
23:33<reds>Maybe I'm just dumb but I cannot figure out how I would set up my monitor settings for the right screen.
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23:41<awal1>reds, just a test: do you have a .xsession file?
23:42<reds>Where would it be located?
23:45<awal1>open pcmanfm ---» ctrl-h ----» right clic ---» create an empty file and name it .xsession ---» open it and insert: pcmanfm --desktop &
23:45<awal1>and save the changes
23:45<awal1>when done log out from you X and login again. lets us know what happens
23:46<awal1>reds
23:46<reds>Alright give me a sec to log out
23:47<reds>I would also like to say thank you so much for helping me out, I really appreciate it honestly :)
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23:48<awal1>that is just a suggestion; not sure if it will help.
23:48<awal1>I use openbox but not lxde, so not sure about lxde functioning
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23:49<awal1>not sure how it works exactly i mean
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23:52<reds>Didn't seem to work
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23:54<awal1>reds, try this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/284912/lubuntu-15-10-dual-monitor-setup-issues
23:54<awal1>editing lxsession preferences ^
23:55<awal1>I have no more ideas since I have no more multiple monitors
23:55<reds>kk give me a minute
23:55<awal1>dinner time for me :P
23:55<reds>Have fun with that!
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