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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-05-08

---Logopened Tue May 08 00:00:02 2018
00:00<ran>personal? or work?
00:01<ran>so what everyone use this for?
00:02<annadane>this is a support channel for debian, particularly debian stable
00:02<annadane>(and oldstable)
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00:06<DarkiYahu>ups
00:07<DarkiYahu>I thought I was in the bunsenlabs channel
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03:21<devilstar>how to instaal flashplayer in parrot os
03:21<devilstar>in terminal
03:22<arto>devilstar: parrot IS NOT debian
03:24<devilstar>where to go
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03:31<arto>devilstar: we talk here only debian related
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04:12<twb>Where does dia's user manual live, on disk?
04:12<twb>Because I've somehow lost it, and I can't see in apt-file where it is supposed to be.
04:13<twb>It's using ghelp:dia so it *should* be something like /usr/share/gnome/help/dia/C/index.xml
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04:15<twb>ohhhhh, I wonder if it's assuming that yelp will read the HTML version in /usr/share/doc/dia/html/en/ ?
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04:17<cef>twb: they're part of dia-common
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04:17<twb>cef: you mean under /usr/share/doc/dia/html/en/ ?
04:18<cef>yup
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04:18<twb>But those are HTML and all yelp docs are docbook i.e. XML :/
04:18<twb>all *OTHER* yelp docs, anyway
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04:19<arto>twb: I downloaded dia manual from dia website
04:19<cef>there's a few tiny things under /usr/share/xml/dia/
04:20<twb>yeah that's not it. normally yelp docs live at /usr/share/help/C/<product>/index.docbook
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04:21<twb>I think the stuff under /usr/share/xml/dia/ is defining dia's .dia document format
04:21<arto>twb: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Dia
04:22<twb>or .page for the newer stuff
04:22<twb>e.g. https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/gnome-mines/filelist has /usr/share/help/C/gnome-mines/index.page
04:23<twb>arto: yeah, thanks, I know I can manually download the docs. I'm a sysadmin and I want to make Help > Manual work for my end users
04:23<arto>twb: ok, thanks for clarification :)
04:23<twb>That literally calls this code:
04:23<twb>if (gtk_show_uri(screen, "ghelp:dia", gtk_get_current_event_time (), NULL)) {
04:23<cef>nothing silly like it actually just hits the web?
04:24<twb>...so unless I recompile dia, I have to work out how to make yelp resolve that to the HTML version
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04:24<twb>Or rather: work out what I've removed to *break* that, since presumably it happens on a regular install
04:25<twb>What's bizarre is that it looks like if yelp *isn't* installed, it falls back to opening a browser directly on the index.html page --- just like it used to
04:26<twb>http://ix.io/19Lz/c
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04:50<twb>Whoops, I got distracted by a different fault.
04:50<twb>I should clarify: when I say "doesn't work", what happens is yelp starts up and shows in its main canvas "Document Not Found" for ghelp:dia
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04:55<iercan>i use arch btw<
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05:02<twb>iercan: you might be in the wrong place then :-)
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05:03<twb>RARGH
05:03<twb>Well I found the reason the gnucash-docs is broken
05:03<twb>When you remove japanese locale, the C locale version breaks
05:03<twb>/usr/share/gnome/help/gnucash-help/C/Help_legal.xml: broken symbolic link to ../../gnucash-guide/ja/legal.xml
05:03<twb>Didn't I file a bug about this, like 2 years ago?
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05:05<iercan>wtf
05:05<twb>Apparently I didn't
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05:17<cpaelzer>Myon: you are faster on the merge for postgresql-common than my bug report :-)
05:17<cpaelzer>Myon: I might ask the question here - with Salsa-PRs/BugTracker/Salsa-Issues in place
05:17<cpaelzer>what is actually the preferred set
05:18<cpaelzer>e.g. do we want/need classic bugs or are salsa-issues an alternative
05:18<cpaelzer>if so what is preferred
05:18<cpaelzer>I beg your pardon, I assume there is some policy on this but I haven#t found it yet
05:18<cpaelzer>OTOH every project might handle it differently
05:19<Myon>MR > Debian bug > salsa issue
05:19<cpaelzer>Myon: ok, and never a multitude of them
05:20<cpaelzer>as this time I started with bug 898166
05:20<cpaelzer>and then realized I should provide an MP instead
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05:20<twb>Ironically gnucash-docs is broken for me because both the DD and I tried to save disk space
05:21<cpaelzer>Myon: well maybe Debian bugs for tracking purpose even if an MP exists
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05:28<Myon>cpaelzer: (was in a meeting) whatever works best for you, I don't have a strong preference
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05:29<twb>#898167 ta-da
05:29<cpaelzer>ok Myon
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06:09<twb>Oh, huh. Stuff is still on alioth cgit? I thought it all magically turned into sals
06:09<twb>...a
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09:31<msau>hi guys
09:32<msau>#debian-offtopic
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09:38<b-lion>How to execute a .exe file using Linux?
09:38<b-lion>Easy way please
09:39<b-lion>Or download Linux version or download
09:39<arto>b-lion: you have to install wine
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09:39<b-lion>Hmm good but any way else?
09:39<arto>b-lion: so what would you do?
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09:40<b-lion>command prompt stuff. Might go with Wine
09:40<arto>b-lion: I know only two option, first one I just told you: wine, second one is windows
09:40<b-lion>True
09:40<b-lion>What is the linux version of .exe?
09:41<petn-randall>b-lion: Which OS release are you running?
09:41<b-lion>MATE
09:41<petn-randall>b-lion: That is a desktop. Where did you download your linux installer from?
09:42<petn-randall>b-lion: Kali or Parrot?
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09:43<b-lion>Hmm I got a few OS that im testing through
09:43<b-lion>Learning how to download basic software
09:43<arto>b-lion: can you name those?
09:43<b-lion>Native Windows user
09:43<petn-randall>b-lion: Yes, but that's not what I asked for. I asked which OS you downloaded.
09:44<b-lion>Hmm Linux Mint MATE, Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Parrot, etc..
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09:45<b-lion>Basically learning
09:45<arto>b-lion: sorry, wrong answer channel is #debian
09:45<petn-randall>b-lion: Great. I don't see Debian in that list. You might want to ask ##linux for general advice.
09:45<webmind>b-lion: linux doesn't use extensions for knowing whether a file is executable
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09:46<webmind>b-lion: so there is no 'linux version' of .exe
09:46<b-lion>Does Debian have a good app download window?
09:46<webmind>what does that mean?
09:46<arto>b-lion: last advice: learn one os at time
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09:47<arto>b-lion: and there is google....
09:47<webmind>debian has a great selection of applications in it's repository, accessible during installation or via a diversity of applications
09:47<b-lion>yeah I know what you mean. But im trying to download a software and its mainly in Windows
09:47<arto>b-lion: so why are you here then?
09:48<webmind>b-lion: unless they also offer a linux version, you're stuck with emulation software like wine
09:48<likcoras>But wine is not an emulator
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09:48<likcoras>:P
09:48<webmind>likcoras: ;P
09:48<petn-randall>That's literally the acronym, "Wine Is Not an Emulator".
09:49<b-lion>Basically I want to download a good burning software with any Linux OS
09:49<webmind>b-lion: debian has a good selection of those
09:49<arto>b:lion third time, this channel is #debian
09:49<b-lion>Tell me bro
09:49<likcoras>Might be worth looking at the packages/software offered by the distribution you're running
09:49<webmind>arto: he's asking debian questions no?
09:50<b-lion>how man?
09:50<likcoras>Oh, right. brasero, I think?
09:50<b-lion>debian apps sheesh
09:50<likcoras>Forgot where I was
09:50<b-lion>okay cool
09:50<webmind>b-lion: look for k3b in your package manager
09:50<arto>webimind: to mee 'which burning soft. in linu is good' not debian spesific
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09:51<likcoras>Generally you'll be better of finding linux alternative (probably in the debian repos) rather than trying to make windows software work in linux.
09:51<b-lion>oh okay thanks guys champions
09:51<arto>webmind: and there was no debin in his os list
09:51<likcoras>Since not a lot fo software vendors offer Linux releases.
09:51<webmind>arto: linux world is confusing enough with all those distributions.
09:51<webmind>b-lion: good luck
09:51<arto>webmind: he was already informed about #linux
09:52<Volley>what bothers me more is that in the past people think to get something done they need to go to some webpage and download something, now they think in "apps" ... but the concept of a package manager is hard to get into the head of someone new
09:52<webmind>so people should first figure out whether something is distribution specific or not?
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09:52<arto>webind: that's why it is good to concentrate one at time
09:53<arto>webmind: they should know what os they use
09:53<webmind>arto: sure, but there was no problem answering their questions within a debian-context
09:53<webmind>for the question it really didn't matter much
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09:56<arto>webmind: I should have said, that if one needs to run windows progs, windows is the best solution
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09:57<jhutchins_wk>arto: Sometimes people focus on the need to run a specific program rather than their actual goal, which seems to have been to burn a disc.
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09:58<arto>jhutchins_wk: but there were many questions, and I answered the first one.
09:59<arto>but I think this too much talk about 3rd person, offtopic
10:00<webmind>arto: within a debian context I'd suggest they'd use wine or find an application that has been designed to work with linux or debian
10:00<webmind>sure
10:00<arto>webmind: that's very politcally correct
10:01<webmind>well, it's how I like to do it.
10:01<arto>webmind: thats very nice
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10:04<webmind>what's the policy on editing pages like this one btw? https://wiki.debian.org/Bonding I'm considering writing an addition for systemd.network for it.
10:04<webmind>can I just do that, wiki style?
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10:11<b-lion>how do install as root?
10:12<b-lion>The whole root thing is confusing
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10:13<petn-randall>b-lion: Start reading here: https://debian-handbook.info/
10:13<b-lion>Hmm looks like good read
10:15<b-lion>how to make install (as root)?
10:15<petn-randall>b-lion: Install what?
10:15<b-lion>K3b
10:15<petn-randall>b-lion: Try looking in the handbook before asking questions here, it'll save us all a lot of time.
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10:16<b-lion>I like learning from people
10:16<b-lion>Its all kinda new for me so confusing not like win
10:17<petn-randall>b-lion: I understand. However we like to teach people how to fish instead of giving them 3 fishes a day.
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10:17<petn-randall>b-lion: A lot of things will also clear up if you read up on the topic in structured way, because otherwise we'll be back- and forward-tracking through topics, which will make it even more confusing.
10:18<petn-randall>b-lion: It's best to have a firm understand of core concepts before moving to other topics.
10:19<b-lion>thanks man
10:21<petn-randall>b-lion: No problem. If you *then* have questions about Debian, feel free to ask those questions in here. We're fine with answering questions if we see that you put some effort into finding the answer yourself, and got stuck.
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10:34<arto>webmind: you can edit wiki page as you like, that's the idea of wiki
10:36<arto>webmind: and systemd is confusing many debian users, so it is good if you know something about it and are willing to share
10:38<webmind>arto: I agree on the confusion in general, but was happily suprissed by this bit.
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11:13<arto>webmind: Are you referring to my comments?
11:16<arto>webmind: your little type confused me: suprise/suppress ?
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11:24<webmind>arto: surprised
11:25<webmind>I was struggerling a lot with the interfaces method, networkd solved everything in an elegant way
11:25<webmind>struggeling
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14:41<microbe>Hi there. My Debian does not want to boot today. I have this error: failed to load rt1_nic/rtl8411-2.fw (-2) Then it hangs. I also had TMP errors. Can anyone help me? :)
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15:38<micr0be>So, my laptop imbeded pci card reader is dead, probably because of my gf cola addiction. When my laptop try to boot, I got an error saying that component firmware is missing and it does not boot. I'm able to launch terminal recovery mode, and when I do a lspci command, my pci card reader is set as 'unassigned class'. Question: how can I disable it totally? I need to know how to do it properly or I will try the screwdriver method lol.. Thanks on advance gu
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15:43<micr0be>Back
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15:49<at0m>micr0be: does your bios have an option to disable it? ymmv, some kernels/bios will bring it back up regardless..
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15:50<micr0be>at0m I don't think so but I will check again
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15:50<at0m>micr0be: and when it has the option, lspci just might still show it eh
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15:52<micr0be>No I don't have this possibility
15:53<micr0be>I came across this forum post https://askubuntu.com/questions/4546/how-do-i-turn-off-pci-devices
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15:53<micr0be>But I dont know what's my card reader pci slot
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15:57<micr0be>Okay I found the slot
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16:33<Squeezer>What's 73-usb-net-by-mac.rules doing and why does it disable my wifi from connecting? I just installed Debian from the latest DVD image.
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16:42<jhutchins_wk>Squeezer: Open the file and see.
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16:44<Squeezer>So I have to customize 99-default.link?
16:47<Squeezer>It's a nasty bug. This rule is interfering my wifi connection.
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16:58<jhutchins_wk>Squeezer: It is not a bug.
16:58<jhutchins_wk>Squeezer: It is something you don't understand.
16:58<Squeezer>So I'll just boot with net.ifnames=0?
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16:59<Squeezer>It a bug for me since I've installed Debian and the wifi wasn't working for some obscure reason.
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16:59<jhutchins_wk>Squeezer: You haven't said what chipset or which release or how you installed it.
17:00<kallashes>hi folks. anyone know why linux instalations have does error messages at the boot (acpi)
17:01<Squeezer>RT2870/RT3070 Wireless Adapter, installed via debian-9.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.
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17:04<jhutchins_wk>!rt2870
17:04<dpkg>Ralink 802.11n/g USB chipsets (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072, RT3370, RT3572, RT5370, RT5372, RT5572) are supported by the rt2800usb Linux kernel driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb
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17:04<jhutchins_wk>kallashes: Most likely because there is an error.
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17:05<jhutchins_wk>kallashes: If you were to to tell us what the error message says that might help, or tell us what does or doesn't happen.
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17:05<Squeezer>Yeah, that driver is working a lot better than the Windows counterpart.
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17:06<jc>kallashes, amd cpu? if so, what mobo?
17:07<kallashes> what the comaand to see error at the boot
17:07<jc>dmesg
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17:09<kallashes> 0.065382] ACPI Error: Needed type [Reference], found [Integer] (ptrval) (20180105/exresop-103)
17:09<kallashes>[ 0.065395] ACPI Error: AE_AML_OPERAND_TYPE, While resolving operands for [OpcodeName unavailable] (20180105/dswexec-461)
17:09<kallashes>[ 0.065403] ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed \_PR.CPU0._PDC, AE_AML_OPERAND_TYPE (20180105/psparse-550)
17:09<Squeezer>brb
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17:09<kallashes>i never see does errors before
17:10<kallashes>i think it have to with microsoft MBR
17:10<retrospectacus>what kind of problem is that causing?
17:11<kallashes>a error message in login screen . batery old
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17:16<Squeezer>Setting net.ifnames=0 at GRUB actually worked flawless.
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17:17<kallashes>next to quiet?
17:17<Squeezer>Yeah!
17:17<Squeezer>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="net.ifnames=0 quiet"
17:18<kallashes>ok i will give it a try
17:18<kallashes>sea later
17:18<Squeezer>Huh?
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17:19<retrospectacus>heh
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18:05<laerus>hello, is there a reason the debian kernel is not compiled with the options for the amd raven ridge support? will it eventually?
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19:07<ivoadf>Hello, after a recent kernel update my display manager stopped working. I booted to a black screen, when accessing terminals (using ctrl+alt+fn) the screen kept going black in regular time intervals and I needed to repeat the key combination to get access to the terminal once more. After disabling gdm service and installing lightdm the black screen problem was solved but boot time went up by a lot used to be way under 30sec and now sometimes
19:07<ivoadf>reaches over 200sec the major bulk of time is after sign in in lightdm. To my knowledge the problem is related to the updates since I didn't change anything else, I tried to boot using the same kernel as before but the black screen problem persisted so not sure what broke gdm. The update that broke gdm: https://pastebin.com/uyghCaCD dmesg log just after boot: https://pastebin.com/AvFa0wv3 I searched around about the content of the last line o
19:07<ivoadf>f dmesg (random: crng init done), some people say it is related with having sd cards but couldn't get much more info about it. I would like to restore gdm as my display manager but if that turns out to be too hard just a speed up in boot time would be enough for now. Please let me know if you would like some more information, thanks in advance for the help.
19:11<Brigo>ivoadf, try journalctl -b and search for errors
19:11<Brigo>and check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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19:14<ivoadf>Brigo: sudo journalctl -b | grep error: https://pastebin.com/fThKWeHH
19:16<Brigo>ivoadf, search for errors, not just the word errors :)
19:17<Brigo>ivoadf, anyway i have to go to sleep
19:17<ivoadf>Brigo: oh ok, btw Xorg.0.log contents: https://pastebin.com/bUkFP6B8 . And goodnight :)
19:18<Brigo>no errors in Xorg.
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19:20<cef>!cve-2018-1108
19:20<dpkg>methinks cve-2018-1108 is a security fix for a lack of randomness at boot. Delays the use of the kernel crng by applications till sufficient randomness is ready. Can cause delays (up to to 4+ minutes) in boot time just before or just after login, esp with LUKS enabled. Short term workarounds: Wiggle mouse/tap keyboard a lot, install rng-tools5 or haveged pkgs, or boot previous kernel
19:21<cef>ivoadf: that'll be your issue.
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19:23<ivoadf>cef: that explains the delay in boot time. But any clue how would that affect gdm? maybe I just need to wait in that black screen and it will eventually boot
19:24<cef>ivoadf: it affects gdm as gdm uses crypto stuff that uses the random number generator.
19:24<piper>using sddm instead of helps also
19:24<piper>*of gdm
19:26<cef>gdm's fairly heavy and has lots in it. not necessarily a bad thing but it therefore needs randomness from the rng, which isn't ready, so things hang. it affects ALL uses of the rng, so that includes any sort of encryption/hashing operations (eg: LUKs, etc).
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19:27<cef>if you're not in a vm, installing `rng-tools5` should help (helps feed the rng with hardware generated entropy). if it's a vm, then `haveged` is better since you most likely don't have access to the underlying hardware rng
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19:29<ivoadf>cef: thanks for the great explanation, I'll install rng-tools5 and reboot. piper: I'll install sddm and see if that helps. Thanks for the help guys much appreciated.
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19:29<cef>issue mainly affects machines with ssd's cos they boot fast. slower boot and (usually) disk I/O with standard hdd's introducing more entropy means it's less visible.
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19:32<piper>iirc if you install rng-tools5 you won't need sddm
19:32<piper>ah too late
19:32<cef>fwiw: `grep -i -o rdrand /proc/cpuinfo` shows if you have the right cpu instructions/support for rng-tools5
19:33<cef>if you get no output, no support, use `haveged` instead
19:33<piper>or grep -i rdrand /proc/cpuinfo
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19:34<cef>piper: I use -o as well, cos then it 'just' prints 'rdrand' on the output instead of huge amounts of output. ;)
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19:34<cef>heya ivoadf
19:34<piper>cef: ok ya, that is better ;)
19:35<ivoadf>cef: you were right rng-tools5 seemed to work. boot time went from 200sec to 25sec
19:35<cef>ivoadf: :D glad to help.
19:35<ivoadf>cef: thank you very much. Have a good night :)
19:36<cef>ivoadf: or in my case, morning. ;)
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19:36<cef><--- 9:36am
19:36<ivoadf>cef: in that case have a nice day.
19:37<piper>such a small world ;)
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20:32<Xacyllum>Hi! I'm using Debian Buster/testing. Unfortunately, there is always the latest stable kernel in the repository. I'd like using the latest LTS kernel, in this case 4.14.
20:32<Xacyllum>Is there any way to get the most recent LTS kernel
20:32<Xacyllum>?
20:33<Xacyllum>without building it myself ;)
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20:37<abrotman>judd: kernels
20:37<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-1-686-pae (4.16.5-1); buster: 4.16.0-1-686-pae (4.16.5-1); stretch-backports: 4.15.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.15.11-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
20:37<judd>(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.101-1)
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20:39<Xacyllum>So there is no way to get the most recent LTS kernel in a package, in this case 4.14?
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20:41<Xacyllum>And if not, are there any chances that the kernel team approves a suggestion for that?
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21:20<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>is there any malware within the 30,000+ packages listed in the stable repos?
21:24<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>I mean there's gotta be, right?
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21:25<RMOTAO>with system?
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21:25<RMOTAO>Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora
21:26<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>stable pretty sure that only applies to debian
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21:27<RMOTAO>why are you asking thins?
21:27<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>well, you think the havaged package is ok?
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21:30<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>also why is the wiki blocked unless I use Tor?
21:34<RMOTAO>I don't know... there is a lot of pissibilities
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21:37<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>well the wiki worked just now. Maybe it's just like the days of the old bulletin board systems and there is only one phone line, ya know?
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21:40<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Back to the issue currently at hand. How can the Debian developers verify every single one of those thousands of packages?
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21:42<RMOTAO>.çtx
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21:52<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>does anyone know how to use Qemu?
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21:54<annadane>i mean, what specifically about qemu do you need answered
21:55<annadane>also, i guess no one can ever be totally sure there's no malware, but only trusted people can upload packages and also the reproducible builds project helps
21:55<annadane>there's very likely a better answer
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21:57<annadane>i tend to do my virtualization in gnome-boxes, i got fed up with virt-manager and i never bothered to learn a pure CLI approach
21:57<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>reproducible builds?
21:57<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds
21:59<annadane>the idea is to have buster be 100% reproducible
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22:00<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>how does debian compare to arch linux?
22:00<annadane>um... lots of differences?
22:01<annadane>obviously arch being rolling gets much newer packages than debian stable; as to sid, i think it's about the same, arch being generally a bit nwwer
22:01<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>I have exactly no experiences with Distros that use the RPM package system
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22:02<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Man those typos... cant wait till I can build a desktop :/
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22:04<annadane>(gnome-boxes also has problems...)
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22:05<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>annadane what are you virtualizing?
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22:06<annadane>nothing right now
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22:07<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Quite a bitta spam quittin...
22:11<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>and joining it seems too
22:12<annadane>you can probably turn it off depending on your irc client
22:13<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Yeah a while back I was using Smuxi. Using HexChat now. Not as full featured
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22:14<annadane>settings - preferences - general - hide join and part messages/hide nick change messages
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22:16<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>I remember with Smuxi I could click nicks to ping people. Not so with this client. Tho I may have installed it thru Synaptic. So I may be working with ancient software
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22:22<annadane>,v smuxi
22:22<judd>Package: smuxi on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.10-3; wheezy-backports: 0.11~rc5-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.11~rc5-2; jessie-backports: 1.0.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.0.6-1; buster: 1.0.7-2; sid: 1.0.7-2
22:22<annadane>well, it's in stretch, if you want it *shrug*
22:22<annadane>,info smuxi
22:22<judd>Package smuxi (gnome, optional) in stretch/amd64: graphical IRC client. Version: 1.0.6-1; Size: 12.8k; Installed: 28k; Homepage: https://smuxi.im/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/smuxi
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22:28<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>what do you use Anna?
22:28<annadane>hex
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23:06<jc>so you have to use -t stretch-backports to install a newer gcc before you can install kernel 4.1x i see.
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23:06<somiaj>I dno't see why you need to
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23:07<somiaj>if using -t stretch-backports when installing the kernel, it will pull in everythign it needs.
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23:07<sahar69>yeah i'm in 4.14 now
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23:07<jc>oh, ok. i just did it the hard way then.
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