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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-05-09

---Logopened Wed May 09 00:00:04 2018
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00:04-!-dboehmer__ is "Daniel B\xF6hmer,,," on #debian
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00:11-!-galex-713 is "Alexandre Garreau" on #debian-kde #debian
00:11<Doctor_Pi>Where can I get support for HexChat?
00:11<annadane>Doctor_Pi, here's a good place, assuming you're on stable
00:12<annadane>or... is this a factoid?
00:12<annadane>!hexchat
00:12<dpkg>HexChat (formerly XChat-WDK) is a fork of the <XChat> IRC client. http://hexchat.org/ #hexchat on chat.freenode.net.
00:12<annadane>great success!
00:13<Doctor_Pi>annadane: ok freenode, I need to install on an old version of Mac OS. Thanks
00:14<Doctor_Pi>annadane: a fork of XChat! I didn't l know that.
00:14<annadane>interestingly i think xchat is still in stable
00:15<annadane>,v xchat
00:15<judd>Package: xchat on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.8-7.1; wheezy-security: 2.8.8-7.1+deb7u1; jessie: 2.8.8-7.3; stretch-backports: 2.8.8-15~bpo9+1; buster: 2.8.8-15; sid: 2.8.8-15
00:15<annadane>ah, nope
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01:03<meebey>Smuxi is obviously the best IRC client if you ask me :-D
01:04<somiaj>everyone and their fancy GUI's, irssi has worked just fine for years here.
01:04<cybiko123>You and your dedicated clients. Pidgin FTW
01:05<jc>just telnet in
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01:06<somiaj>still can't run it on a remove server in tmux. Also with bitlbee you can connect to various chant networks with your faviorte irc client.
01:08<jm_>let's expand on the silly fight - why would you ever use tmux instead of screen? :P
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01:08-!-Strife89 is "Michael Carr" on #debian #debian-next
01:08<somiaj>jm_: agreed, the mouse integration with xterm has made me lazy.
01:09<somiaj>and what I like about the debian is the choice you have, since everything listed so far is already availble to use. (:
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---Logclosed Wed May 09 03:07:34 2018
---Logopened Wed May 09 03:07:39 2018
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03:22<pipedream>I have an external monitor that was detected OK initially but now shows "unknown display" and can't set its resolution properly
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03:35<arto>pipedream: did you use xrandr?
03:36<pipedream>xrandr says DP-2 disconnected (but the external display is showing, just at lower resolution)
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03:36<pipedream>xrandr --admode DP-2 2560x1080 says cannot find mode 2560x1080
03:37<pipedream>This was working OK on initial install (stretch plus backport kernel for the nvme disk). Then it stopped working and I reinstalled -> worked again. Next day, "Unknown display" again.
03:38<pipedream>when I reinstalled, I preserved /home so the user settings did not change
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03:39<pipedream>fwiw it is a latitude 7825 2in1 with a USB C adaptor to HDMI for external dell 29" ultra wide monitor
03:40<arto>pipedream: I've used xrandr, but cannot find any setting from /home
03:41<jm_>what does xrandr -q list for it?
03:42<arto>pipedream: is it possible, that monitor is in some power saving mode etc. ?
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03:42<pipedream>xrandr says DP-2 disconnected but I am busy using the external monitor it is just in 1024x768
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03:44<jm_>does kernel say anything when this happens?
03:44<pipedream>hm, maybe this is DP-1 connected primary 1024x768+2880+0
03:45<pipedream>but the monitor does 2560x1080, but xrandr --admode says cannot find mode 2560x1080
03:45<arto>pipedream: try that xranrd -q jm_ suggested
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03:45<jm_>arto: he can't as it says DP-2 is disconnected
03:45<arto>jm_: just noticed that same, me bad
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03:46<pipedream>https://paste.debian.net/1023942/
03:46<pipedream>^^ xrandr -q ; I think the external is DP-1 not DP-2
03:47<pipedream>no, the internal is 2880x1920, so that is DP-1, and that is working
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03:48<pipedream>maybe the internal is eDP-1 and the external is DP-1
03:49<jm_>that sounds more like it
03:49<arto>pipedream: may be worth trying
03:50<pipedream>what may be worth trying?
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03:52<arto>pipedream: seems there is no DP-2
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03:52<pipedream>Yes, the external is DP-1, but it can (and did before) do a way better resolution
03:55<arto>pipedream: what should I suggest, maybe something prevents changing resolution on the fly, but then I can not say what could that bee.
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03:59<arto>pipedream: I've never used xrandr through usb, so foreign ground to me
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04:39<radish>good morning! got some issue with keepalived with a configuration working on jessie and not doing so on stretch (v. 1.2.13-1 vs v.1.3.2-1). The configuration is the following: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a14d689f/ I have set the kernel options net.ipv4.ip_nonlocal_bind = 1, net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1.
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04:40<radish>keepalived attempts to start and then dies with the message: "Keepalived_vrrp[3102]: (VI_1): Cannot find an IP address to use for interface eth1"
04:40<radish>eth1 is an active interface without a configured ip address.
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04:43<duclicsic>radish: i'd have thought it would need to have a configured address
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04:44<radish>duclicsic: If I set the floating ip manually, keepalived starts and appoints itself to master, but the slave node still dies
04:44<radish>if I set the floating IP on both, they both vote themself for master and you have a split-brain scenario
04:44<duclicsic>the interfaces need a unique IP
04:45<duclicsic>don't set the floating address on them manually, give them each a unique address from a /30, you can use RFC1918 addressing
04:45<radish>is this a requirement that was added between the version included in jessie and stretch?
04:45<duclicsic>they have to talk to each other to negotiate who is master, and VRRP sits on top of IP
04:45<radish>because on jessie it works without any ip other than the floating ip
04:46<duclicsic>no idea, i've never used keepalived and know nothing about the software
04:46<duclicsic>i'm just coming at this as someone who knows vrrp
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04:47<duclicsic>and i would tend to assume it needs to have a proper static address configured on each host, otherwise IP communication between them is impossible
04:47<duclicsic>every implementation I've ever seen does it like that
04:47<duclicsic>i can't speak for why it apparently worked before
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04:49<radish>the eth1 interface is in our DMZ and I don't want to waste an public IP for vrrp traffic. However, if I chose the existing internal if for the vrrp instance then the DMZ if is kind of not monitored, right?
04:50<duclicsic>you don't have to use public addressing
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04:52<duclicsic>just pick a range like 10.10.10.0/30 and give one of the useable addresses to each host
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04:59<radish>duclicsic: ok, thank you for your help
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05:15<desafder>how do i forever disable blue thooth on my debian ?
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05:18<desafder>i am trying to save battery and no need of luethooth radiations
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05:19<BCMM>desafder: rfkill
05:19<desafder>but it restart on reboot
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05:22<desafder>ok i found rfkill block bluetooth
05:23<desafder>in /etc/rc.local is doing the trick
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05:57<pipedream>update: Choosing "Gnome on Wayland" at the login prompt fixes the external display issue. Seems Xorg doesn't detect it or speak to the adaptor-dongle properly.
05:58<Synthea>How can I check if my hardware supports crypto ssl acceleration?
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06:28<arto>pipedream: good you found solution
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08:19<Talkless>Hi. What would be the right way to rebuild pacakge (with dpkg-buildpackage) with address (and other) sanitizer enabled? Or should I modify rules file or export CXXFLAGS/LDFLAGS..?
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08:29<Talkless>Oh I guess export DEB_BUILD_MAINT_OPTIONS=sanitize=+address shold work
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08:47<jonnyfresh>Hello there
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08:48<jonnyfresh>Can anyone recommend a inventorysation software like OCS inventory NG?
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08:56<abrotman>jonnyfresh: OCS is in Debian ?
08:57<jonnyfresh>abrotman: Yes, but the software is very shitty to use. I'm looking for an alternative.
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10:40<Synthea>How can I know if obfsproxy contains obfs 1, 2 or 3?
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10:44<petn-randall>Synthea: You'd probably have to check the version number against the upstream documentation.
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13:17<james1138>Uhmm.... the kern.log says 551.4 MB! Is it supposed to be that big?!
13:18<james1138>Last entry... May 9 11:14:41 Thor kernel: [ 8850.969370] evbug: Event. Dev: input6, Type: 0, Code: 0, Value: 0
13:18<james1138>I delete the kern.log and rebooted.
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13:20<james1138>Sorry all. I should have added that I am running 9.4 with kernel 4.9.98 on a Thinkpad T500 with 8 gig ram and 500 gig SSD if that help in troubleshooting.
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13:20<james1138>Desktop is Mate
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13:23<james1138>This grandpa is new to Debian but used Ubuntu for years before switching.
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13:33<jhutchins_wk>,kernels
13:33<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-1-686-pae (4.16.5-1); buster: 4.16.0-1-686-pae (4.16.5-1); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.16.5-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
13:33<judd>3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.101-1)
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13:34<jhutchins_wk>james1138: Is that the only kernel on the system?
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13:37<james1138>Judd... are you saying try kernel 4.16??
13:38<james1138>Yes that is the only kernel. Sorry for the delay.
13:42<james1138>Would it help anyone to send a copy of the kern.log?
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14:07<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>How do you install a program and an older version of a program without overwriting directories and files and such?
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14:10<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Also can someone explain to me Why In The Hell Debian wiki is blocked for me
14:11<bremner>it blocks swearing
14:11<annadane>are you on a vpn, that sometimes be the issue
14:11<annadane>can be*
14:12<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Does't block Tor Browsers proxy tho
14:12<bremner>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: for most things you'll need to build from source to parallel install different versions
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14:13<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>And I think using Tor Browser just to access the wiki is kinda a waste of the Tor servers
14:15<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>So perhaps they can lift the VPN ban just bc not every user is illegitamate and trying to pull a DDOS attack
14:15<pastly>As an exit operator, I got bigger things to worry about than you visiting a really lightweight website. Don't worry about it.
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14:16<annadane>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos, it's not a matter of policy; they don't intentionally block VPNs
14:16<annadane>it can just happen randomly for whatever reason, i don't fully understand it
14:17<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>sounds like a technical thing
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14:18<annadane>well, by definition...
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14:19<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Would it take forever to try to compile something with a Celeron processor on a system running Stretch?
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14:21<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>I mean this is a handy computer but the CPUs run in the 90s just to play video content
14:22<annadane>as to your initial question, flatpaks can allow you to install multiple versions of a program
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14:22<annadane>see also https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable
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14:23<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Thanks Anna :)
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14:23<annadane>but i think in general it's a bit convuluted; gentoo is much more suited to multiple versions
14:23<annadane>debian sort of isn't
14:23<annadane>it really depends on what you want
14:24<pcods>I need to run cisco packet tracer and vmware in debian stretch, any help?
14:24<annadane>,v vmware
14:24<judd>No package named 'vmware' was found in amd64.
14:25<pcods>its windows hypervisor
14:25<pcods>i run kvm but i have to use vmware for some particular school projects
14:26<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/VMware may possibly help
14:27<pcods>lol cant believe i didnt see that
14:27<annadane>i've never used it so i don't know the details
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14:28<annadane>also i just noticed that wiki article is SUPER OLD
14:29<annadane>and probably useless
14:29<annadane>sorry, i didn't realize that
14:29<annadane>debian documentation is a bit... yeah
14:30<pcods>as far as packettracer, I installed it but it wont run because it says it cant access libcrypto.so.1.0.0 which is an openssl lib and i have version 1.1. I am trying to compile openssl1.0.0 in /usr/local but i'm having issues with that as well
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14:30<pcods>@annadane I know, right?
14:31<annadane>there's always the arch wiki (just translate the arch-isms into debianese) when debian's official support resources fail
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14:32<pcods>yea I guess I'll go that route and then start burning up IRC if it dead ends
14:32<pcods>thanks
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14:33<drzacek>Hello there
14:33<annadane>i'm not there, i'm anna
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14:34<drzacek>I have a problem with installing 32bit SDL2 on 64bit debian, might have to do with this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=770265
14:34<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/770265 in dh-python (open): «gir1.2-ibus-1.0: fails to install in multiarch setting: dpkg-query --listfiles called with ambiguous package name»; severity: important; opened: 2014-11-20; last modified: 2018-04-24.
14:34<drzacek>any help?
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14:35<drzacek>http://paste.debian.net/1024030/
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16:47<dolphin>hello
16:48<dolphin>can someone please tell me how to install wine on debian
16:49<retrospectacus>"apt-get install wine"
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16:51<dolphin>i will try that
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16:52<retrospectacus>that is generally the first thing you should try when you want to install something, yep....
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16:55<dolphin>i am new to deian i am using mx linux and i like it alot but still have to get use to using debian i have always used linux mint/ubuntu distros
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16:56<retrospectacus>they are based on debian; you should be used to apt-get from using them
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16:57<jhutchins_wk>Debian probably has a larger software selection in-system.
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17:00<dolphin>i don't get it if i download something through the browser its fast but if it is through the software manager is so slow
17:01<jhutchins_wk>dolphin: The browser's only doing one thing. GUI Software Managers have LOTS of overhead. It's one reason most of us stick with the CLI for that.
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17:02<jhutchins_wk>dolphin: When RedHat tried to do software management in a GUI most systems couldn't handle the overhead and were TERRIBLE to use. (RedHat's RPM system is more complex & heavier than dpkg.)
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17:03<jhutchins_wk>WHen redhat _first_ tried...
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18:23<ikedo>hi
18:24<ikedo>who is awake
18:24<john>I am
18:27<ikedo>do you know os called
18:27<ikedo>beast black box
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18:29<john>Never heard of it
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18:30<ikedo>really
18:30<ikedo>great
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19:13<Linked>Hi, I'm have a little apt-get problem here: https://paste.debian.net/1024063/. Don't really know how to interprete these errors. Also tried apt-get autoclean && apt-get autoremove but it did'nt solve the issue. my sources.list include the sources listet at https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList (with non-free). OS is Debian 9.4
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19:43<john>It's good that you tried to install `clang` to satisfy the dependencies, but its dependencies can't be satisfied, it seems. You should try "going deeper" and doing `apt-get install clang-3.8`, and likewise for its dependencies.
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20:08<luizromario>Any idea how long until Firefox 60 reaches Debian?
20:08<luizromario>Since it's an ESR release
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20:10<Linked>john, thx. I've tracked it down further to " libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.24-11+deb9u3) but 2.27-3 is to be installed
20:10<Linked>"
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20:12<annadane>um... can you post your actual sources list please?
20:12<john>luizromario: It will reach both stable and unstable in September when Firefox 52 reaches EOL.
20:13<Linked>here we go
20:13<Linked>http://paste.debian.net/1024071/
20:13<annadane>,v libc6
20:13<judd>Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.27-3; sid: 2.27-3
20:14<Linked>I don't know what happened but it looks to me like
20:14<Linked>yeah, some repos were mixed
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20:14<annadane>if we're as far down as glibc it indicates a very severe frankendebian i have no idea how to begin solving
20:14<annadane>maybe someone else knows
20:15<Linked>OSI 8 tinkered with the sources and apparently broke it and now this rests on my shoulders :/
20:16<john>You can't unfranken a Frankendebian, at least not easily. You could try downgrading all packages to the versions in Stretch with APT pinning, but that's risky.
20:16<john>The only safe choice is to reinstall.
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20:18<john>^ Or, of course, upgrade to Buster.
20:19<Linked>okay thank you very much, i'll do a reinstall since I don't think it's a good choice to use this anymore specially regarding future package installations
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22:02<twb>chromium is segfaulting repeatedly and I'm not allowed to tell the customer "tough"
22:03<twb>my usual crappy debugging (e.g. strace) hasn't helped, so I have to use gdb
22:03<twb>but it looks like the chromium-dbg package was last seen in jessie -- what's up with that?
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22:13<themill>is it now a dbgsym package?
22:14<themill>,v chromium-dbgsym
22:14<judd>Package: chromium-dbgsym on amd64 -- stretch-debug: 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; buster-debug: 62.0.3202.89-1; sid-debug: 66.0.3359.139-1
22:14<twb>I can only see chromium chromium-l10n chromium-driver chromiumdriver chromium-shell
22:15<themill>(not available for the security archive, however)
22:15<twb>oh stretch-debug is an entirely separate repo?
22:15<themill>!stretch-debug
22:15<themill>dselect: stretch-debug
22:15<dselect>The "stretch-debug" archive contains the automatically generated packages with debugging symbols for packages for binary packages in the stretch release. Ask me about <dbgsym>.
22:15<twb>ohhhhhhhhhhh
22:15<themill>dselect: dbgsym
22:15<dselect>Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ stretch-debug main" to your sources.list. See also https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace
22:16<themill>but not available for security for reasons I don't understand.... so you're SOL there
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22:17<twb>bugger
22:17<twb>But I can build a test image that has no security in it and then (maybe) reproduce the fault under 62...
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22:20<twb>themill: are old dbgsym packages available from snapshot.debian.org?
22:21<themill>I think so
22:21<twb>http://snapshot.debian.org/package/chromium-browser/66.0.3359.117-1~deb9u1/
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22:22<twb>Yep here it is: http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian-debug/20180427T145803Z/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/
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22:24<somiaj>hmm, seems like security bypasses many normal things in package creation, the changelogs also don't get coppied to metadata.ftp-master.debian.org (so apt changelog can't find them either).
22:24<somiaj>my guess is it is something about how the packages are pushed into debian, wonder if that is party of wy the dbgsym dont' get auto generated.
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22:28<twb>OK $coworker is running Stretch and they can see -dbgsym packages, but their sources.list doesn't have any debug entries --- how is that happening?
22:28<somiaj>twb: I see a bunch in stretch-backports here, but none in stretch.
22:29<twb>Oh backports maybe
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22:29<twb>yep that was it
22:35<twb>Does deb.debian.org work with the debian-debug repo? ... looks like it
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23:00<twb>Sigh
23:01<twb>These kiosks only upgraded from jessie to stretch in Feb 2018. But chromium in jessie stopped getting any security support back in Feb 2017
23:02<twb>So they got a 12mo+ hit of chromium regressions and weirdness, all at once
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23:48<caf>whereabouts can the -dbgsym packages for packages in the security archive be found?
23:51<somiaj>caf: you would have to download the source package, and build it yourself, thus creating the dgbsym package
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23:53<caf>ahh, that's a bit sad. thanks
23:54<caf>(does this mean that if you, for example, manually installed the libssl1.1-dbgsym package, you wouldn't get security updates for libssl because apt wouldn't remove the package you had installed?)
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23:54<somiaj>yea, they are created automatically when the package is built, but because of how security works, they don't seem to be autmoatcally added for this (well they will be after the next point relaese)
23:55<somiaj>caf: a dist-upgrade would remove the package, but yes, there might be issues like that. I'm not sure on the details.
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