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---Logopened Thu May 10 00:00:05 2018
00:00<twb>somiaj: I literally don't have a computer powerful enough to compile chromium
00:01<twb>it's so bloat
00:01<somiaj>I dno't see power being an issue, it is more time.
00:01<twb>last time I looked it needed like 8GB of RAM
00:01<twb>but maybe I misremember
00:02<twb>I do know that "apt-get source" refused to even download the source tarball, because it was bigger than /tmp's total size
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00:17<somiaj>twb: were you trying to download/build in /tmp? Anyways I agree it is annoything they aren't provided, and in comparision stretch-backports includes them, so don't see why security couldn't include them, then put them in the seperate repo when the point releases add the fixes so stretch proper.
00:19<caf>or even just have a /debian-debug archive on security.debian.org
00:19<twb>yeah "browsers are stupidly big" is a separate rant from "security.d.o should have -dbgsym"
00:20<somiaj>I still think it could be built, given enough time + harddrive space. But I haven't tried (espically on older hardware)
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01:03<luizromario>john: Thanks
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01:24<twb>C++ is like the worst thing ever for compiling
01:25<twb>grumble grumble drunkrant
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02:15<thomas>I cannot mount a network drive properly, and keep getting "Unable to find suitable address.". Is there a way to show remote shares? (I've tried "ssh user@x.x.x.x ls" but it only shows me folders) I'm not using samba, just the native filesharing (dont know the name) I can connect in the X interface, but not in terminal.
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02:16<jm_>what kind of network drive?
02:16<thomas>It's a MacOS (Mac Mini)
02:17<jm_>SMB? «smbclient -L remote_site» shows shares (add switches as needed, i.e. username, domain ...)
02:17<thomas>I'm using a Debian client to connect.
02:17<thomas>I'm not using samba.
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02:20<jm_>I have no idea what macos uses for sharing, if nothing else sshfs shall work
02:21<jm_>well apparently it has SMB share support so using smbclient/cifs shall work too
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02:23<thomas>jm_: I get an error when i try this: "mount -t sshfs //10.1.1.60/ /mnt/1" -- Error: "mount: unknown filesystem type 'sshfs'" -- I just apt-get installed sshfs.
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02:24<jm_>thomas: read /usr/share/doc/sshfs/README.*
02:25<jm_>i.e. you use sshfs command
02:26<thomas>Thanks JM_. - Should i perhaps just use samba instead? Is it the easier/better way to go about this?
02:28<jm_>thomas: on macos? up to you, apparently the thing has built-in SMB support so that would also work
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02:58<thomas>jm_: Thanks a bunch man. I spent 5-6 hours yesterday on this, and further 2-3 hours today. Been using AFPFS-NG, SMB and SSH. The sshfs you suggested solved it. Thanks! :o)
02:58<jm_>thomas: no worries
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03:01<twb>AFAIK macos has two built-in network file servers: AFS (legacy, deprecated) and CIFS/SMB
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03:03<twb>sshfs requires that the server side provide SSH *and* that the SSH provide the SFTP service. macos's sshd *probably* does.
03:04<twb>Note that if you're using a GUI on the linux client side, you will probably get better overall experience by typing sftp:// into your file manager, rather than using sshfs to do an explicit mount step
03:04<twb>sftp:// in GNOME and XFCE is based on gvfs and uses libssh under the hood. For best results, make sure "gvfs-backends gvfs-fuse" are both installed.
03:05<twb>For KDE, I think it's done via the kdelibs5 package.
03:05<twb>Be aware that in no circumstances will sftp:// or sshfs have any form of file locking, and some other extensions like xattrs and acls are probably implementation-specific or absent.
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03:09<thomas>twb: Thanks..! I'm on Debian (stretch) trying to auto-mount a local MacOS drive using terminal (i can't find auto-mount in the GUI anywhere). I think i'll go with the SSHFS.
03:09<twb>thomas: automounting when not using a GUI is a separate subsystem called "autofs"
03:10<twb>thomas: I don't know much about it. systemd has some kind of integration for it
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03:11<thomas>twb: I read that fstab was the way to go, but is autofs better for this?
03:11<twb>thomas: they're used together
03:11<thomas>oh, ok. Shows how rookie i am. :)
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03:14<twb>no worries; we were all rookies once
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03:14<twb>another point: smb will be _faster_ than sshfs
03:15<jm_>autofs for smb shall be relatively simple thanks to /etc/auto.smb
03:16<jm_>(I only use auto.net myself)
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03:24<arto>twb: smb is faster than sshfs because ssh is encrypted, am I right?
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03:25<jm_>not just because of that (SMB can be encrypted too)
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03:26<arto>so where explains that speed difference?
03:27<arto>I newer used smb, because I transfer file only between linux machines
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04:10<twb>In Stretch, what sets XDG_RUNTIME_DIR environment variable?
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04:12<jm_>twb: pam_systemd?
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04:15<twb>Sorry, I missed all that -- I killed my editor with a bad unbracketed paste
04:15<jm_>twb: pam_systemd?
04:16<twb>Yeah that's what I'm guessing
04:16<twb>Funny thing happened -- I build a kiosk image with stretch-security disabled (so as to get a debuggable chromium), and systemd-logind was repeatedly crashing
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04:17<twb>which is the server-side of pam_systemd
04:17<twb>On that host, XDG_RUNTIME_DIR isn't set and /run/user/$uid isn't created, either
04:18<twb>The only other interesting thing I did was to turn off "delete-bad-files", which basically goes through the whole system deleting things inmates shouldn't have, like systemd-user@.service --- removing delete-bad-files should have made the system *more* normal, not less!
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04:58<twb>bloody hell. I rebuilt the image with stretch-security on and delete-bad-files off, and all the weirdness is gone
04:59<twb>So basically doing a stretch install without stretch-security makes everything explode...
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05:10<HoodedReaper666>hi
05:15<twb>Grrr
05:15<twb>http://ix.io/19Xo
05:15<twb>This would be a lot easier if security.d.o shipped -dbgsyms
05:17<twb>How do I ask for it to install from stretch and *not* stretch/updates ?
05:18<twb>in the meantime I'll just hardcode the entire exact version number :-/
05:19<twb>That's working, at least
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08:36<sarchio>Hello. Does Debian provide a statically-compiled editor, to be used in the case of a big screwup of the system?
08:36<sarchio>I think bash-static exists for this reason
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09:00<cef>sarchio: not that I can see. there's busybox-static though, which is bound to have an editor in there, probably vi.
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09:02<sarchio>cef thanks
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09:35<nlgd>Hi. Is https://wnpp.debian.net/? broken?
09:35<nlgd>I can't find any bug
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09:52<bremner>nlgd: broken how?
09:53<nlgd>bremner: it doesn't find bugs, I clicked on "sync bugs" and I've got a lot of FORMAT ERROR (pattern "^(ITA|ITP|O|RFA|RFH|RFP): [^ ]+ -- .+$")
09:54<bremner>nlgd: right. Then I guess you should follow the advice in the other channel on how to report problems
09:54<nlgd>thanks
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11:02<kamild1996>Hello, could someone please help me with getting my Wi-Fi USB dongle to work? I have managed to build and install the driver for it, but it doesn't seem to be enough
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11:04<kamild1996>It's an Edimax EW-7811UTC, uses the rtl8812au driver. It's loaded, it shows up in lsmod, but it doesn't show up in iwconfig, or in the networks menu
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11:12<arto>kamild1996, https://blog.danielscrivano.com/Finstalling-rtl8812au-on-linux-for-wireless-dual-band-usb-adapters
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11:13<arto>kamild1996, it's good to learn to use google or duckduckgo
11:14<arto>kamild1996, and the first F on the link does not belong there
11:14<kamild1996>404. Is it the one that shows how to get the driver off of Github and compile it as a DKMS module? Because I've been tripping over those guides on Google, they helped but didn't get the device to work
11:15<kamild1996>ah, let me remove the F then and see
11:15<arto>kamild1996, sorry for that!
11:15<kamild1996>Yep, this is exactly what I have done lol
11:15<kamild1996>I tested like 3 different drivers from different repos, no dice
11:16<arto>kamild1996, but that links instruct how to compile driver
11:16<kamild1996>Yeah, and that's what I have already done. THe driver is compiled, it's loaded, present in lsmod. But the device still doesn't work
11:17<kamild1996>Replugged, rebooted, nothing
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11:18<arto>kamild1996, did you install the module, modpbrode ?
11:18<kamild1996>Yes
11:18<arto>kamild1996, sorry, read again your lines, if possible try in windows mahcine, my be broken
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11:19<kamild1996>Thought about that too, it works out-of-the-box on Windows 10
11:19<arto>kamild1996, trciky one, did you get any errors when compiling?
11:20<kamild1996>None, it didn't show errors, it said "completed" or sth like that
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11:21<arto>kamild1996, how you try to connect that to wifi (sorry clumsy words) ?
11:21<kamild1996>arto: https://pastebin.com/3TkaVCz9 - if there's any command output that might help, lemme know
11:22<kamild1996>You mean how am I trying to connect to a network?
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11:22<arto>kamild1996, yes, what program you use?
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11:22<kamild1996>I'm using whatever comes by default with Debian Stretch. The Wi-Fi icon near the clock, I can see my other two cards (one broken, another borrowed) but not the third
11:23<arto>kamild1996, ok, it was all there
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11:24<arto>kamild1996, easier to follow what happens if you use command line tools
11:24<arto>I have to go a while, sorry!
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11:37<grove>Is there an `apt cache policy` equivalent for sources packages? (I'm trying to figure out why `apt-get -b source dosbox` (from dpkg's ssb factoid) fetches the version of dosbox that is in stable and not the one that is in sid)
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12:47<minos>hi guys
12:47<minos>how can I add a user to the sudoers file?
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12:47<minos>i don't use linux since years.. please help me
12:48<petn-randall>!sudo
12:48<dpkg>[sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html
12:48<petn-randall>minos: ^^^
12:48<arto>minos: as root: add user sudo, logout and login
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12:49<petn-randall>arto: ?
12:50<arto>minos: first you have to install sudo, again as root: apt install sudo
12:51<arto>petn-randall: tha's how I have done it, even on stretch
12:52<petn-randall>arto: minos asked how to add a user to the sudoers file. You provided instruction on how to install sudo.
12:52<arto>petn-randall: ok, sorry for that!
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13:00<blast007>I think arto meant 'adduser' instead of 'add', which would have added 'user' to the sudo group
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13:19<oo_miguel>I was just asking myselft if there is some simple standalone programm that will show some icons on my workspaces? (I use only xmonad as window manager for now and no desktop environment as kde, etc.. at all)
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14:03<at0m>oo_miguel: check out fbdesk
14:03<oo_miguel>at0m: thanks a lot!
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14:26<grove>Seems `apt-get -b` just tried to optimise and saw that a dosbox-0.74 directory existed and build what was there (which was 0.74-4.2 because I had screwed up and build that earlier) even if it wasn't the version it was toldto download and build
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14:41<frankliang>hey guys
14:41<frankliang>on parrotsec
14:42<frankliang>my wireless ac 8821au driver is not wokring or not initializean ethernet interface what to do
14:42<petn-randall>!parrot
14:42<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
14:42<petn-randall>frankliang: Try asking in their support channel. Read the above message carefully.
14:43<frankliang>lol
14:43<frankliang>you guys have message for that ocol
14:43<petn-randall>What is ocol?
14:44<annadane>misspelling of 'cool'
14:44<annadane>frankliang, out of curiosity, did you end up here because #debian is the default channel on parrot?
14:44<annadane>we get a lot of kali/parrot questions
14:44<frankliang>ah yeah
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14:44<annadane>they need to fix that
14:44<frankliang>also why are you not on freenode
14:44<frankliang>in 2018
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14:45<annadane>there is one on freenode, though that one (with more people and activity) is "unofficial"
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14:45<frankliang>anyway
14:45<frankliang>mine is a driver problem
14:45<frankliang>are you sure you guys dont know how to fix this
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14:45<annadane>i mean, i'd guess you could try installing the firmware it needs, but beyond that we really can't answer it
14:45<frankliang>i tried following the options
14:45<petn-randall>frankliang: Nope, you're not running Debian.
14:45<frankliang>but when I do modprobe 8821au
14:46<frankliang>it doesn't initialize it
14:46<frankliang>like how it does in Ubuntu
14:46<annadane>we're not being obstinate on purpose; it's just that we're familiar with debian and can't know what changes parrot introduced relative to debian
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15:44<andreas>hey
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15:46<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>What are some subscription phone services that I can use with Stable?
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15:51<Synthea>Guys, can someone give me a proper guide to IPv6 addresses, netmasks, loopback and such?
15:52<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>I have no cell service where I live. I have one of those Google phones(don't care for it)and it just recently decided it would no longer allow me to make calls over wifi. So yeah currently I don't have a working phone
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16:00<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>It appears everyone here has good coverage or has a landline
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16:02<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Would moving to Testing improve my options?
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16:05<kot>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos, you can install linphone if the other parties will also use it.
16:05<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Or maybe I could buy one of those high-end Stingrays and somehow get cell service with that?
16:06<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>How big is linphone?
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16:06<kot>that's an interesting idea
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16:07<blast007>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: I've never used it, but Ekiga is a SIP soft phone
16:07<kot>it's a 13.5 mb app available on f-droid. voip.
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16:10<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>OK installing Linphone now says it is 10.1 MB installed
16:12<blast007>if you're needing help with Android that isn't related to it interacting with Debian, try #android on irc.freenode.net
16:13<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>I guess linphone doesn't work with 1-800 numbers just tried it
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16:13<blast007>I would think you'd need a SIP provider
16:14<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Yeah freenode... Last time I tried setting up a nick on there they didn't offer a cloak right off the bat :^/
16:16<blast007>I guess linphone is packaged on Debian as well. Didn't realize 'apt show' was case sensitive. :)
16:19<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Did that whois I asked for appear for all of us?
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16:42<SFHAHAHA>oi laura
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16:56<zoredache>how does Debian know if a conffile has been changed from the stock config? Is there a command I can use to check the a file? Are the checksums stored somewhere?
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17:21<lavamind>zoredache: dpkg keeps that of such things, see https://serverfault.com/a/90401
17:23<zoredache>heh, Apparently 8 years ago I edited that and upvoted it. I must be losing my memory I guess.
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17:23<zoredache>Thanks.
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17:26<Synthea>Hey guys, only a question, is fe80::/8 equal to fe80:0000:0000:0000:?:?:?:?
17:29<peter1138>No.
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17:30<Synthea>peter1138, then what netmask is equal to fe80:0000:0000:0000:?:?:?:?
17:31<blast007>Synthea: well, that's not a netmask
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17:31<Synthea>blast007, ? means whatever possible combination here
17:32<peter1138>Synthea, how many bits are fixed in fe80:0000:0000:0000:?:?:?:? ?
17:32<Synthea>uhm idk
17:35<blast007>Synthea: in any case, no... fe80 itself is more than 8 bits, so a /8 doesn't really make sense
17:36<blast007>each group of digits is 16 bits
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17:36<blast007>you should look up some IPv6 tutorials
17:36<Synthea>Wait maybe I've understand
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17:46<retrospectacus>there are a million online calculators that do this too. No need to bother someone's brain here
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18:04<niveo>Hi. Why does not chromium migrate to testing?
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18:05<niveo>stretch-security has chromium 66, testing does not ...
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18:06<retrospectacus>!testing security
18:06<dpkg>Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing
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18:07<niveo>retrospectacus: thanks. I would like a pointer to the specific problem... I can't find it in the package tracker or bug tracker...
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18:10<niveo>ok I think it is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=897242
18:10<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/897242 in src:chromium-browser (open): «chromium: FTBFS on armhf: linker runs out of memory»; severity: serious; opened: 2018-04-30; last modified: 2018-04-30.
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18:16<ais-admin>Debian Stretch amd64 system with 4 eth interfaces eno1-4. All bridged and set for manual. br1-4 set up as dhcp and work fine until 1/2 way through lease. br3 starts sending out dhcprequest every 3 seconds. dhcp server sends dhcpack back after every request like its supposed to. nothing in the logs record the arrival of the dhcpack. ifdown/up stops the flood and br3 works fine until 1/2 way through the new lease when it starts all over again. Any
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18:33<ais-admin>whats even weirder - I set up the 4 bridges as static - all 4 work fine but systemctl restart networking consistently fails with error "unable to raise" on interfaces br3 and br4. (even though they actually do work)
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19:16<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>I need to remove some entries in my menu file
19:17<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Installed some games under Wine and they made a bunch of new entries in Gnome menu. Not sure where the file is though.
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19:37<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>It should be a simple enough fix. I just need to know where that file is...
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19:39<ais-admin>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos, look in ~/.local/share/applications
19:39<ais-admin>gnome menu entries are stored there I think
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19:41<piper>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: there are many ways to do this https://askubuntu.com/questions/15551/how-to-remove-wine-completely
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19:42<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Wine in some cases can present a security risk. At this time I want to keep it though.
19:44<ais-admin>alacarte is also handy for menu editing as well as gmenu-simple-editor
19:44<piper>well the files are scattered, i listed that one because it does list the menu https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#uninstall_app
19:45<piper>years ago you could just do apt install wine uninstaller
19:46<piper>but i don't like gui that much
19:47<piper>just checked wine uninstaller Candidate: 3.0-1 (i use sid though)
19:47<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Yeah I'd prefer to use the terminal with gedit also. Looks like the entries are not at this location
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19:50<blast007>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: nothing in here? ~/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs/
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19:54<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Yep seems to be there Thanks!
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21:01<b-lion>new to debian trying to connect printer to computer.
21:01<sney>what kind of printer
21:01<b-lion>asking for "cups"? system>admin>services
21:02<b-lion>brother MFC
21:02<sney>if cups is installed you can access the admin interface by going to http://localhost:631/
21:02<sney>some printers have limited linux support, but most laser models work fine
21:03<b-lion>Cups error and cant find it on services settings
21:05<sney>I don't use gnome and I don't know if you can configure it through settings. but I do know for sure that you can configure it at the localhost url I gave you above.
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21:26<ais-admin>Seems I solved the problem from 12:16 above - duplicating everything using ipv6 seems to have somehow fixed the ipv4 runaway dhcprequest problem... (and had the added benefit of enabling ipv6 on all my vm's through the ipv6 bridges)
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21:35<code-with-g>I read the release notes extensively. Did an upgrade from jessie to stretch, when I boot up my wired NIC doesn't pick up it's IPv4 ip... any ideas?
21:36<sney>driver might need firmware now?
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21:37<code-with-g>hmm... perhaps, but it does pick up the IPv6 on boot and IPv4 if I restart the networking.service
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21:38<sney>that's weird. how are you managing the interface?
21:39<code-with-g>same as jessie, with /etc/networking/interfaces
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21:40<code-with-g>using dhcp for ipv4 and auto for ipv6
21:40<code-with-g>I think the issue is related to removing the deprecated (according how I read Release Notes) net-tools package in favor of using iproute2 package
21:41<code-with-g>do I need to configure or use something different if only have iproute2 installed?
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21:48<code-with-g>nm, found it in the debian manual chapter 5
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21:49<code-with-g>I'll work on removing the legacy (ipupdown) in favor of network-manager
21:49<code-with-g>Thanks.
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21:54<twb>So that chromium crashing problem I had yesterday?
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21:54<twb>Doesn't happen on 62, only on 66 -- the version with no dbgsym :-/
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21:55<twb>I'm going to bisect over versions on snapshot.d.o
21:55<annadane>,v chromium
21:55<judd>Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; buster: 62.0.3202.89-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 63.0.3239.84-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 66.0.3359.117-1~deb9u1; sid: 66.0.3359.139-1
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21:56<twb>huh, weird that buster is also on 62
21:57<twb>does that mean that buster is actually behind stretch in terms of browser security?
21:58<annadane>i've just bypassed all the normal browser headaches and use waterfox now
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21:59<sney>https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/chromium-browser big cluster of stuff keeping it from upgrading
21:59<twb>I don't normally run a GUI browser at all, personally. This is for stupid end users.
21:59<annadane>i couldn't imagine just not using any GUI
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22:00<twb>GUIs are the worst
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22:00<twb>They take away all control from the user and give it to some unaccountable american megacorp
22:01*sney squints
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22:02<twb>Like I can't even tune H&J in a GUI browser without having to install a bunch of third-party extensions that Debian hasn't vetted
22:02<annadane>H&J?
22:02<twb>hyphenation and justification
22:02*annadane shrugs
22:03<twb>(OK, granted, you can do the J part alone in firefox, but J without H isn't much use.)
22:04<code-with-g>I had another question... How do I verify that the upgrade stretch is using _apt and only using root when needed?
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22:05*annadane doesn't understand the question
22:05<code-with-g>I tried sudo su _apt but it prompts for a password I don't know.
22:06<twb>annadane: recent apt versions automatically drop privileges to a user named "_apt" for operations that don't require superuser privileges
22:06<sney>'sudo -u _apt -s' would give you a shell for that user, but wouldn't necessarily indicate if it was being used
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22:06<twb>code-with-g: I have seen apt print a warning when it *can't* drop privileges
22:06<code-with-g>sney, thanks i'll try that with the troubleshooting steps in the release notes
22:07<twb>code-with-g: e.g. "apt-get download foo" when _apt can't write to $PWD
22:07<twb>code-with-g: I have no idea how you can *prove* that it's dropping privileges when it should, though
22:07<sney>maybe just watch 'top' while apt is going
22:07<twb>That would seem to require formal verification, which isn't A Thing for your typical C program
22:07<code-with-g>twb, there are some steps to troubleshoot in the release notes
22:07<twb>code-with-g: oh
22:08<code-with-g>the first of which is to change to _apt, which I was getting stopped at because it was prompting for _apt's password
22:08<twb>Clearly I should have actually read that document by now, since "new repo for dbgsym" is there, too
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22:11<code-with-g>twb, :). yep, that's in there too
22:11<code-with-g>twb, section 5.3.2.1 covers the APT priviledge change and troubleshooting
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22:21<code-with-g>sney, that worked. I was able to read all the files, trust store and confirm name resolution and download capabilities under _apt
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22:32<twb>!riscv
22:32<twb>Hrmph.
22:32<twb>dpkg: learn riscv as https://wiki.debian.org/RISC-V
22:32*dpkg smacks riscv as https://wiki.debian.org/RISC-V over the head with a 20 lbs thesaurus.
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22:55<rsmith>after upgrade to kernel 4.16, booting into gnome takes 5+ minutes. It seems wayland and gnome are running at 100% during this. Anyone else experiencing this?
22:56<twb>rsmith: $boss reported that for XFCE
22:56<somiaj>rsmith: are you running buster/sid?
22:57<rsmith>No, stretch, with a backports kernel
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22:57<twb>rsmith: 12:57 <ron> twb: new kernal a few days ago fixed it
22:57<somiaj>ahh, anyawys, I recall some recent cve in the kernel that had this issue. It is something about having enough entropy during boot and having to wait for that, lets see if I can find it
22:58<twb>rsmith: ah maybe I misread your error report.
22:58<somiaj>!cve-2018-1108
22:58<dpkg>cve-2018-1108 is probably a security fix for a lack of randomness at boot. Delays the use of the kernel crng by applications till sufficient randomness is ready. Can cause delays (up to to 4+ minutes) in boot time just before or just after login, esp with LUKS enabled. Short term workarounds: Wiggle mouse/tap keyboard a lot, install rng-tools5 or haveged pkgs, or boot previous kernel
22:59<rsmith>Thanks a million!
22:59<kot>hm, could be taking a lot of time generating entropy?
22:59<somiaj>Unsure if that is your issue, but it sounds similar
22:59<twb>What ron was seeing is that after entering correct username + password into the login screen, the actual desktop (taskbar &c) would take 5 to 10min to appear
22:59<rsmith>I though everyone was asleep, but you all responded so quickly!
22:59<twb>somiaj: if it's blocked on /dev/random it should be D state not 100% CPU
22:59<somiaj>ahh it could be somethign else then.
22:59<rsmith>I'll test and see
22:59<twb>I mean... I assume... from first principles
23:00<twb>It could be that wayland/gnome are just really stupid and poll internally to the helper and only the helper is D state, the others are polling as fast as they can
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23:11<rsmith_>somiaj: twb: I installed haveged, and plugged in my Chaos Key. It worked! Super fast boot to Gnome as usual. Thanks!
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23:13<somiaj>nice! (:
23:17<twb>well except not nice that now gnome basically requires a hw rng? :-(
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23:22<awal1>!ops
23:22<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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23:22<awal1>dpkg: ops
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23:22<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
23:23<Zimsky>quick, the world will end if you don't alert the ops
23:27<twb>OK, I got it to crash with chromium 64
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