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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-05-12

---Logopened Sat May 12 00:00:08 2018
00:04-!-dboehmer___ [~quassel@p5DD9C892.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
00:04-!-dboehmer___ is "Daniel B\xF6hmer,,," on #debian
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00:10-!-rafal is "Rafał Szamocki" on #debian
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00:28-!-kkremitzki is "purple" on #debian #debian-gis #debian-js #debian-next
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00:59-!-pgarcia is "Paolo Garcia" on #debian-devel-changes #debian
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01:26-!-isaagar is "I Sagar" on #debian-desktop #debian-browserify #debian-til #debian-ruby #debian-gnukhata #libindic #debian-boot #debian-azure #debian-live #debian-offtopic #debian #debian-mobile #debian-diaspora #hamara #debian-in
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01:29-!-txgvnn is "txgvnn" on #openup #tor #debian-vn #debian
01:32-!-[6667]ThinkTank [6667Thin@71-218-248-191.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #debian
01:32-!-[6667]ThinkTank is "..." on @#DevCore #tor #debian @#SubnetEngineering
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01:36-!-keycollector is "KeyCollector" on #debian
01:36<keycollector>Hey
01:38<keycollector>How does Debian (stretch) keep time off a default install?? I noticed NTP is not installed by defualt.
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02:02<nkuttler>keycollector: the hardware clock
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03:14<Dna_Hck>..
03:15<Dna_Hck>any
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03:19<arto>Dna_Hck: just ask
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06:04<Guest2480>hi
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07:05<traumschule>Does anybody know how debian developers reacted to https://fosspost.org/analytics/privacy-security-concern-regarding-gnome-software
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07:09<bremner>traumschule: you can write to debian-project@lists.debian.org with that kind of question
07:10<bremner>(disclaimer: didn't read the link)
07:12<traumschule>bottom line: "You [fwupd.org] are having the IP addresses and client user-agent requests of users of Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, openSUSE, and all the other Linux distributions which ship your software by default."
07:13<bremner>well, that's factually wrong, since I don't run gnome on any of my debian installs, but *shrug*. If there's a gnome bug, someone should report it with reportbug
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07:17<traumschule>true, not installing gnome is the solution. could not find a bug report related to LVFS/fwupd in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=gnome
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07:22<traumschule>the developer meanwhile added a dialogue "Enable Third-Party Software Repository?" on behalf of Redhat 26 days ago https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-software/commit/d695afcf9a762fdee500c26e9d42e7f42149d950
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07:26<somiaj>I would report a bug, or maybe run a vm and see if you can see what debian is being sent. Also double check it isn't a feature that could be disabled at runtime. The intro seems strange to me, as debian usually prefers to ship firmware via its own non-free packages.
07:27<somiaj>but I have no clue if it is an issue in debian or not, but a bug report (not here) or mailing lists are the best way to get any statement from the devs on if this feature is enabled in debian.
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07:39<liveuser>Is the aide packager on channel?
07:39<bremner>liveuser: almost certainly not
07:40<bremner>liveuser: why?
07:40<liveuser>this is the second time I've found aide running in the background revving up cpu cycles
07:40<bremner>did you check !bts ?
07:40<bremner>err.
07:40<bremner>!bts
07:40<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
07:40<liveuser>it looked like it is supposed to be run manuly
07:41<liveuser>what command can be used to stop it?
07:41<bremner>you could uninstall it
07:41<liveuser>are you all running against my mind somehow?
07:41<somiaj>first you have to figure out what is running it. If it is a systemd service and it runs due to a hook, mask the service.
07:42<liveuser>kill is an option
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07:43<liveuser>though if your all respawning against my mind I'd rather have stability without killing us
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07:44<somiaj>you aren't making any sense.
07:44<liveuser>systemd was a guess, there's someone remotely shaing my system, paranoia as defined by the documentation of aide
07:45<liveuser>see that Blacker47 looks like ghosts from the past
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07:45<liveuser>v.90 modem quit msg
07:45<bremner>liveuser: you're about 1 nonsensical message away from my ignore list. Perhaps you'd like to think more and talk less?
07:45<liveuser>somehow the processes from the past seem to be rebooting, I do not want to live in the past
07:46<liveuser>bremner: do you get sleepy sometimes?
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07:47<liveuser>hi Synthea
07:48<liveuser>my intention installing aide is to run it manuly
07:48<liveuser>how can top ask it to stop instead of killing it
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07:50<Synthea>!ask
07:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:50<liveuser>aide doesn't need to run in the background only each time I sit at the machine
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07:50<liveuser>Blacker47 are you live or a ghost
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07:50<liveuser>I noticed the quit msg about a v.90 modem
07:51<Blacker47>liveuser, hi...
07:52<Synthea>liveuser anyway idk, all I can say to you is that with kill -3 PID you send to the process an HUP signal that tells the process to save data and quit.
07:52<Synthea>And as !ask says you shouldn't pick a random user for your questions
07:52<liveuser>yeah so kill isn't really a kill?
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07:52<Synthea>Something like that
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07:54<liveuser>Blacker47: experienced linux user?
07:54<liveuser>Synthea: it worked, is that how init 0 or 6 stops the processes (kill -3)
07:55<liveuser>aka shutdown
07:56<liveuser>Synthea: Blacker47 isn't responding is it a stray shadow of an old process?
07:58<liveuser>Synthea do you get sleepy sometimes when the computer is running?
07:58<liveuser>something explains why coffee doesn't always work
07:59<liveuser>if it is a process making one tired
07:59<liveuser>the biologic factors aren't going to affect it much
08:01<liveuser>feels better now that process stopped
08:02<liveuser>Blacker47: is angelfire still runningC?
08:03<liveuser>something to post an aide.db
08:05<liveuser>Synthea: :)
08:06<traumschule>liveuser: try "cat /proc/`pidof aide`/status|grep PPid" or poke around in /proc yourself a bit find out what started it. pstree can also be of help.
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08:07<traumschule>or try switchig of your (W)LAN to get rid of paranoia :)
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08:08<liveuser>traumschule: the modern machines make it difficult short of removing the chip
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08:11<liveuser> ok traumschule getting dat tryforce
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08:13<traumschule>liveuser: I agree that modern hardware leaves small room for trust. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2018/05/supply-chain_se.html
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08:26<liveuser>traumschule: after it has stopped looks like the proc wipes it
08:27<traumschule>liveuser: yes, proc only holds info about running processes.
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08:30<traumschule>somiaj bremner: I filed a bug report against gnome, although gnome-software actually depends on fwupd. Now I found that LVFS is being migrated to the Linux Foundation https://github.com/hughsie/fwupd/pull/444
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08:42<bremner>traumschule: if you think there is a problem with fwupd, why would you not file a bug against fwupd?
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09:08<traumschule>bremner, I did: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=898479
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09:11<traumschule>ok not fwupd. It is not installed by default. My point is that a "default" debian (talking of gnome as the default DE may be incorrect) should not contain such a software.
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09:12<Synthea>dpkg -commands
09:12<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Synthea
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09:41<bremner>traumschule: you'll have better luck reporting the narrowest possible bugs against the right package. Otherwise your reports are likely to be ignored.
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10:39<traumschule>bremner: as gnome-core depends on gnome-software I thought this is the right package to raise privacy questions against.
10:42<bremner>traumschule: if you think that fwupd poses a privacy danger to users of debian (and ideally that is based on more than a blog you read), then presumably it shouldn't matter how they install it, either directly or as a dependency of gnome.
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11:08<traumschule>My main concern is that fwupd.org is hosted on Amazon EC2. However according to a traceroute it is hosted in a scaleway cloud which belongs to the French Iliad telco. So the article may be out of date.
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11:13<berceanu>hello, can you guys see this?
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11:17<berceanu>It's the first time I use Polaris, that's why I ask
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11:34<berceanu>Is it recommended to install the proprietary firmware for eg wireless card etc if i don't really use it? on reboot Debian 9 complains that the firmware is not available
11:35<berceanu>But I guess it's OK to just ignore it, or will it lead to some instability?
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11:36<arto>berceanu: no, same thing in my wife's pc, every boot same message about missing firmware, but she does not use wifi
11:36<berceanu>perfect :)
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11:49<somiaj>traumschule: file the bug report witht he software in question. Also make sure that the thing you are filing against is actually enabled in debian. Reading that article makes me think it isn't enabled, and the patch added by RHEL was to put a warning for those who try to enable it.
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12:11<berceanu>apparently the gnome shell integration plugin requires at least firefox 56 and deb9 ships with 52
12:12<somiaj>what gnome-shell plugin, I don't see why the one in stable would depend on a version of firefox that didn't exist at the time of the release.
12:12<berceanu>https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/gnome-shell-integration/
12:13<somiaj>ahh this is something outside of debian, can you get that plugin/functionality from inside of debian stable?
12:13<berceanu>because the plugin was updated some time after the debian release and they bumped the required firefox version from 52 to 56
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12:14<somiaj>note, the new firefox-esr is in the process of being released, I would expect one of the next security fixes to upgrade firefox-esr to esr which is version 60.
12:14<berceanu>oh, that will definately fix the issue
12:14<somiaj>hmm, looks like it has only been released, it might be 2-3 months before stable gets firefox-esr 60
12:15<somiaj>otherwise you can install firefox from upstream in $HOME if you really want it, or use an older version of the plugin until then
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12:17<blast007>berceanu: some older versions of the extension are still available, such as 8.2.1 that requires Firefox 52+: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/gnome-shell-integration/versions/
12:18<berceanu>Actually they state 10.0.1 is the latest that supports 52
12:19<blast007>ah, yeah, seems so. I saw version 10 required 58+ so I didn't look at newer releases.
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15:13<annadane>would anyone know how to diagnose an external hard drive that keeps bringing back files from the trash on every install of debian? i'm currently on sid but this happens on every debian release
15:13<somiaj>what do you mean from the trash? What file maanger?
15:14<annadane>i delete the files i don't want, even from the trash, and when i copy my Pictures folder over to the freshly installed system the images are still there
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15:14<annadane>caja file manager (the one that's part of MATE) currently; i don't know whether it happens with others or not
15:15<somiaj>how do you delete them? removing files in linux doesn't store them anywhere.
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15:16<annadane>right click > move to trash
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15:16<somiaj>yea, that isn't deleting files, that is just moving them to trash. I'm not sure why a file manager is recovering them for you.
15:16<somiaj>I personally use 'rm file' when I want to get rid of them, but I don't use a file manager.
15:17<annadane>i guess i'll try rm
15:17<annadane>could be a flukey external drive, got it off ebay
15:17<somiaj>I doubt that
15:17<somiaj>I think it is moving the files to a place called 'trash' or doing somethign to tag them as trash, but not actually deleting them. There maybe an empty trash bin, or 'delete' option (not move to trash) that will get rid of them for good.
15:18<annadane>yeah
15:19<b17>hold down shift when hit move to trash, that works on some fm
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15:26<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>I am trying to install the newer version of the VPN is use. It wants superuser priveleges for my regular user. Should I just add this user to root just for the duration of this install?
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15:26<annadane>which VPN?
15:26<annadane>there's about 5 possible answers to that question
15:27<peter1138>Only five?
15:27<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Private Internet Access. Maybe I should just ask for a refund since they don't play right with Debian.
15:27<annadane>typically i don't like giving my root password to anything if i can avoid it...
15:29<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>It worked for previous installs. Didn't ask for root password. Maybe I will just ditch it and ask for my money back.
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15:31<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>That being said I want to take some measures to protect my privacy. Would it be beneficial to install another browser. Keep the one I have for buying stuff and other activities that require my personal info. And the other browser would be for anonymous browsing. Would this work?
15:33<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Ideally I would use Tor browser. I don't have a fast enough connection to do everything through Tor though...
15:33<somiaj>many use tor for that, though due to abuse, truely anomonous browers are banned in lots of places.
15:35<somiaj>there are ways to limit exposure, but due to ip tracing, unless you use something like tor, hard to be completely anomomous, even VPN isnt' completely anomous. One can trace you back tot he vpn, and the vpn knows who you are, so things could get traced back to you.
15:35<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>I was thinking more on the order of keeping Mozilla ESR for personal stuff, and getting brand new Firefox for the other stuff.
15:36<somiaj>there is the incognito mode, it stops a lot of the cookie tracking, but ip tracking is still there
15:37<somiaj>that idea would have troubles without multiple profiles, since firefox-esr and firefox use the same config files and are not compadable. You would have to isolate the other browser in a vm, or some other method.
15:37<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Can I install new Firefox without screwing up ESR directories?
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15:38<somiaj>not sure how, but you would have to use a different location for them, and unsure how to do that.
15:39<somiaj>and since you are using a different location, you could use firefox-esr for both cases.
15:40<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Well I guess Tor is fine for the mean time. Virtualization is out of the question for this machine I suppose. HD has less than 30 gigs and I have taken up most of that.
15:40<somiaj>you could just have a second user, and use that second user
15:41<somiaj>that would isolate where the config file is located.
15:42<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Think I will ask for a refund. All I have heard about VPN's is that they are all just smoke and mirrors anyway.
15:43<somiaj>they are nice, but it depends on what you want. I use one at work, because then I can be on my work network form home. As for privacy, you just put your privacy trust in the vpn you found, some delete their logs, others do not.
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15:45<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Well since PIA broke the install for Debian I don't think I should be giving them my money anymore. Kind of upsetting...
15:46<somiaj>maybe you just need a differnt vpn client. If you like the vpn, I would at least ask for support first.
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15:47<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>True maybe the solution is already on their support forums.
15:50<kot>mullvad and nirdvon are pretty good. a difference between a vpn and tor is with a vpn you have all your chickens in one pot and they know who you are. with tor one guy knows your ip, another guy can see your non-tls traffic, and neither one knows who the other one is.
15:50<kot>nordvpn*
15:51<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Yeah I'll check into that
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15:54<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>NordVPN looks to be in my price range. It a cinch to install?
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15:55<kot>they're all pretty easy tbh. nord is also having a sale atm. (i'm not affiliated with them.)
15:56<samueloph>i'm not able to add a ssh key to my account on salsa.d.o because my non-dd account already has that key. what is the procedure to "merge" the accounts? should i just remove the old account and start using the new one?
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15:56<samueloph>for now i'll remove the ssh key from the old account and add to the new one
15:56<samueloph>old = samueloph-guest, new = samueloph
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15:59<eli>its been 2 or 3 months nobody ansers is everyone bots? sorry if im being rude but it seems like everyone are bots
16:00<eli>it doesnt make since
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16:03<blast007>eli: what question do you have?
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16:04<eli>everyone never responds its like thier all bots sorry if im rude
16:05<blast007>looking back at logs, it seems like your only questions were about anime, so maybe find a channel for that instead of the support channel for Debian Linux.
16:06<eli>why do they do that?
16:06*kot is starting to think eli is a trollbot
16:06<eli>kot im not a bot
16:07<b0100001001000010>ELI IS A BOT CONFIRMED!
16:07<eli>no
16:08<kot>so what's your debian support question, eli?
16:08<eli>im not a bot
16:08<eli>why do they think im a bot?
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16:09<b0100001001000010>I came on here for help, not to bully eli. My problem: Whenever I try to start a new session in KDE Plasma, the old one is gone.
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16:09<eli>why did you think im a bot?
16:10<blast007>eli: do you have a question about Debian Linux?
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16:11<eli>nything
16:12<eli>why does my words keep dissapearing
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16:13<eli>im a noob i dont know how to do anything
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16:14<coin77>good afternoon
16:14<eli>hi
16:14<coin77>is thisa good place to chat?
16:14<samueloph>blast007: i think he was referring to my question
16:15<coin77>exscuz
16:15<samueloph>btw, i clearly asked on the wrong channel
16:15<blast007>samueloph: who was?
16:15<blast007>eli wasn't here when you asked your question
16:16<samueloph>blast007: yes, he was
16:16<b0100001001000010>I actually have a problem with my Debian system. Whenever I try to start a new session in KDE Plasma, the old one is gone.
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16:16<blast007>samueloph: nope.. joined 50 seconds after you asked
16:17<samueloph>blast007: i don't know which irc clitn you're using, but it's probably not a good one. It does not show that he reconnected* 50 seconds ago, it was not his first join
16:17<samueloph>s/clitn/client
16:17<eli>do you like dragonball/dragonball z/dragon ball super?
16:18<mnuhmnuh>!debian
16:18<dpkg>i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
16:18<blast007>samueloph: nothing wrong with my irssi
16:18<mnuhmnuh>!stable
16:18<dpkg>[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Stretch (9.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable
16:19<nilodeb>hi everyone
16:19<eli>hi
16:19<samueloph>blast007: you should not trust it so much to know when someone connected, eli reconnected at that time, he was online before that
16:19<samueloph>just before that
16:19<nilodeb>help whit my wifi, please
16:19<samueloph>anyways, asked on the wrong channel
16:19<b0100001001000010>nilodeb: What is wrong with your wifi?
16:20<nilodeb>i just installed debian testing
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16:20<b0100001001000010>Alright. You probably need a driver.
16:20<blast007>firmware
16:20<nilodeb>and my wifi is not active
16:21<lavamind>hello, I'm trying to install Debian on a Lenovo IdeaPad Miix 10 via USB
16:21<lavamind>I'm able to boot into Grub
16:21<nilodeb>yes, i am tried with wl but somethinb
16:21<nilodeb>something was wrong
16:22<lavamind>however as soon as I launch the boot process, after having selected a proper kernel and initrd (netboot-i386), it just hangs without any error message
16:22<lavamind>I've tried both stable and testing versions of the kernel/initrd
16:22<nilodeb>becose i lost my realtek card
16:22<b0100001001000010>Thanks for the correction blast007. nilodeb: What is the exact problem? Does it not work at all? Is there an error? Do you know which wifi card you have?
16:25<nilodeb>its do not work at all, and my card is bc
16:25<nilodeb>bc
16:26<nilodeb>bc4312
16:26<b0100001001000010>Alright. I'll look it up on the wiki.
16:27<blast007>!bcm4312
16:27<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCIe 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY. It is supported by the <b43> driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, which requires the firmware-b43-installer package instead. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
16:27<blast007>that?
16:27<eli>uhhmmmmmmmm that time thing you were talking about i dont know what is happening
16:27<b0100001001000010>Is this helpful? https://wiki.debian.org/wl
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16:28<blast007>to install firmware-b43-installer, you'll need to have another working network connection as that package has to download the firmware from broadcom
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16:29<blast007>and you'll have to enable the contrib repository
16:29<nilodeb>yes i ben read those but i can not install firmware b43 installer there is not in my repositoties
16:30<blast007>edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add 'contrib' after 'main', then apt-get update
16:30<nilodeb>i've install debian te
16:30<nilodeb>debian testing
16:31<eli>blast007: whats that time thing when i joined about im confuzed
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16:32<blast007>eli: hmm, yeah, seems it's not in buster. is there are reason you're installing testing instead of stable?
16:32<blast007>sorry, nilodeb
16:33<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>When I installed Debian Stable (Stretch) on this machine I specifically got an ISO with the nonfree repositories already added. The good thing about this install image is that it also included the firmware for my wireless card.
16:33<blast007>eli: if you don't have a Debian related question, try joining some other channel like #moocows
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16:34<eli>blast: question????
16:34<blast007>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: not all firmware is included with the firmware ISO - specifically lacking the one that nilodeb needs
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16:35<eli>im not sure what servers are like ... for questions or for chatting
16:36<blast007>!chat
16:36<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
16:36<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Though every time I start the computer it gives an error that says some iwlwifi drivers were not loaded. Not sure how to fix that. I looked at the iwlwifi firmware package in Synaptic. It just says I have it, So I am not sure how to delete the iwlwifi firmware packages that are not needed.
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16:37<nilodeb>ok, my card is broadcom bcm4312, 14e4:4315
16:37<eli>im a teenager i am 14 but i dont know what servers talk about dbz im so confuzed
16:38<nilodeb>i have debian buster
16:39<eli>this is so, confuzing
16:39<nilodeb>i been add contrib non-free in my sorces list
16:40<b17>nilodeb: I have the same device, install stretch, then firmware-b43-installer it works fine.
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16:40<nilodeb>yes but i can't intall these driver
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16:41<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>eli I sent you a message. I'm down for discussing anime. As long as it is not on #debian
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16:41<b17>b43 4315 doesn't need a driver you need stretch and the firmware
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16:42<nilodeb>i installed stretch, but is
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16:43<nilodeb>so slow in my netbook
16:43<nilodeb>with buster runs fine
16:43<b17>I've used it for 6 yrs it's a good device, but it's wireless g
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16:43<nilodeb>slow becose use all cpu
16:46<blast007>were you using the same desktop environment on both stretch and testing?
16:46<nilodeb>yes, kde on both
16:47<b17>stretch+backports might be better, I never ran testing myself
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16:50<b17>soeone told me last week in here that b43 was in the non-free iso now I guess they was lying
16:51<nilodeb>strech-bakports? (i think the problem is the kernel with 4,12 is slow but with 4,15 or 4.16 is fine
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16:51<blast007>nilodeb: stretch-backports has 4.16
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16:53<b17>4,12 I don;t know, stretch has 4.9 or so> it works fine
16:54<nilodeb>how can install bakports?
16:54<nilodeb>my mistake 4,9 not 4,12
16:55<blast007>!backports
16:55<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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17:03<nilodeb>i jusg try with main, main contrib and main contrib non-free repositories and firmware-43-installer is not located
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17:04<nilodeb>*yusg yust
17:04<b17>nilodeb: cuz it's not in buster, you need stretch
17:05<Brigo>,v firmware-43-installer
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17:05<judd>No package named 'firmware-43-installer' was found in amd64.
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17:06<blast007>,v firmware-b43-installer
17:06<judd>Package: firmware-b43-installer on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:015-14.1; jessie/contrib: 1:019-2; sid/contrib: 1:019-3; stretch/contrib: 1:019-3
17:06<b17>lol 43
17:06<Brigo>firmware-b43-installer,yes
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17:06<Brigo>and it is not in testing, right.
17:07<b17>there are a few long bug reports i hope it gets redone. One hard working person has done a lot with it.
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17:10<b17>Elliott Mitchell < lot of work on b43 real good ideas
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17:15<queur>Can I contribute to Debian through Tor?
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17:28<bremner>contribute how?
17:29<queur>mailing lists, commits, debian-alioth, package maintaining, debian wiki etc.
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17:33<bremner>well. As a (presumably non-DD), you can maintain packages via a sponsor. I don't see how Tor would interfere with that.
17:33<queur>does onionmx work properly with mailing lists?
17:34<bremner>no idea.
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17:43<lavamind>well it turns out installing Debian on the IdeaPad Miix 10 probably wont work out as its based on on the Clover Trail arch
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17:44<lavamind>I was able to boot into grub but booting the kernel/initrd hangs the machine immediately
17:44<lavamind>tried many different versions including Ubuntu
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18:39<tomg>ElToro: you can try alacarte or gnome-menu-editor
18:39<tomg>oops, i missed by a couple days
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18:58<Synthea>Why there isn't anymore npm for stretch?
18:58<annadane>!why isn't npm in stable
18:59<annadane>!why isn't npm in testing
18:59<dpkg>npm is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/npm
18:59<annadane>https://tracker.debian.org/news/844136/npm-removed-from-testing/ #857986
18:59<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/857986 in npm (forwarded, stretch, moreinfo, buster, sid): «npm: package is 3 years old (consider removal?)»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-03-16; last modified: 2018-04-21.
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19:14<somiaj>Synthea: maybe once the node.js stuff slows down and can warnent being frozen in stable, it might get back in.
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19:15<Synthea>somiaj, in the meantime?
19:16<somiaj>just get npm from upstream. I did hear though they were going to provided it via backports, but I think they just don't have the man power who wanted to keep things up todate in sid to do that.
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19:17<annadane>in fact i think i've heard that it's safe to add the npm repository in debian
19:18<annadane>"the npm repository" is vague because i don't know the details
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19:19<somiaj>yea, their repo plays nicely with debian.
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20:17<leinad>buenas noches
20:18<leinad>necesitaba saber quien me puede ayudar para montar cacti desde un sistema linux
20:19<bremner>!es
20:19<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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20:21<leinad>thanks
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22:35<ellie>hi
22:36<ellie>I have problems with wifi. I turned wifi off/on and then I restarted my computer and now wifi doesn't show under network connections
22:36<ellie>debian 9 stretch / cinnamon
22:36<ellie>any ideas?
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22:39<qobi[m]>ellie: How long has it been happening?
22:39<eleanor>just nowish
22:39<eleanor>but I restarted my pc at least 3-4 times and it is still gone
22:40<eleanor>it's a usb wifi card
22:40<blast007>did you turn it off/on with a hardware switch or button?
22:40<eleanor>yeah
22:40<eleanor>I'll remove the usb stick and restart
22:40<blast007>so there's a button/switch on the stick?
22:40<somiaj>check rfkill, it should tell you if there is a hard or soft lock on the device.
22:41<somiaj>(oh I guess not showing, rfkill wouldn't work)
22:41<eleanor>root@misty:/home/eleanor# rfkill
22:41<eleanor>bash: rfkill: command not found
22:41<somiaj>you can install that, optional package.
22:41<eleanor>oh ok
22:41<somiaj>rfkill will only work if your system has detected the wifi device.
22:41<eleanor>under network connections it says wifi last used 40 minutes ago
22:42<eleanor>but it won't let me add a wifi device
22:42<eleanor>I just plugged in my iphone to usb and this is how i'm connected to the internet at the moment
22:42<eleanor>brb
22:43<eleanor>ok nevermind I just had to unplug the wireless usb stick and plug it back in
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22:45<ellie>ok it's fixed now
22:45<qobi[m]>Good!
22:45<ellie>i just had to unplug the usb wifi stick and plug it back in
22:45<ellie>it instantly turned on and it got detected
22:45<ellie>I can get back to work now haha
22:46<ellie>thanks anyway <3
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