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00:17<psyndrome>hi
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00:19<psyndrome>Is anyone can tell me how can i turn off and eventually switch on kvm in Linux?
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00:21<twb>psyndrome: can you clarify what you mean by kvm?
00:21<psyndrome>I believe this suppose to mean kernel virtual machine or something
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00:24<somiaj>you can't turn that off/on inside of lines, that is a bios setting
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00:24<twb>do you mean the CPU hardware feature that allows it, the kernel module that makes the hardware feature visible to userland, the fork of qemu-system-x86_64 that uses the hardware feature, or the option of regular qemu-system-x86_64 that enables use of the hardware feature?
00:24<somiaj>linux can only load/unload the kvm module (for either amd or intel), and the modle can only be loaded if it is turned on in the bios/firmware.
00:25<twb>Note that the hardware feature is basically a backport of the SPARC feature to shitty old x86_64 architecture :-)
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00:25<twb>AFAIK on SPARC systems it's just always there
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00:28<psyndrome>The full story of my problem is that i wanted to use virtual machine but qemu didn't worked for me because my cpu is old or something idk so i installed virtualbox
00:28<twb>psyndrome: anyway, you can turn KVM on/off in your BIOS/UEFI config screen
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00:29<twb>psyndrome: if you don't have it, your VMs *will* work, just much slower
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00:30<psyndrome>So i see only 32bit option in the installation of a guest system there and no 64bit
00:30<somiaj>what cpu do you have, you can cat /proc/cpuinfo to see if your cpu has the extension, and if it does, turn it on in your bios/firmware (usually off by default)
00:30<psyndrome>Thats my main problem actually
00:30<twb>psyndrome: in what?
00:30<twb>psyndrome: qemu doesn't have a GUI
00:31<somiaj>virtual-manager can be a frontend to it
00:31<twb>yes, do you mean in virt-manager ?
00:31<psyndrome>there is a gui but anyway
00:31<somiaj>sorry, virt-manager
00:32<Guest2723>afaik, there is a gui to qemu
00:32<twb>if the _actual_ problem is you can't intell a 64-bit system, let's fix that instead of pissing about with KVM
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00:32<somiaj>Guest2723: virt-manager can fully control qemu via a gui (though it could also control virtualbox vms, kvm, and others as well)
00:32<somiaj>arg by kmv I meant vmware, though vmware support might be limited
00:33<psyndrome>well ok tell me then how to install 64bit guest os in virtualbox
00:33<luisfcc86>aqemu, it is qemu gui name
00:33<twb>virt-manager is a GUI wrapper around libvirtd which is a GUI-less middleware abstraction around all VM technologies, but especially Xen and QEMU.
00:34<twb>psyndrome: virtualbox isn't free software so we don't support it here, sorry
00:34<cef>psyndrome: you are running a 64 bit install of debian as the host, right?
00:34<somiaj>virtualbox is free, that is why it is in contrib (not non-free)
00:34<psyndrome>im 64bit host OS yes
00:35<twb>somiaj: ah, perhaps I'm being too dogmatic. /msg dpkg vbox agrees with you.
00:36<somiaj>twb: yea, things in contrib meet the DFSG, but may depend on non-free components. virtualbox requires a non-free software to compile the free BIOS, so you can't build it with fully DFSG software.
00:37<twb>I thought that particular fail was fixed, like, 3 years ago
00:37<twb>I'm probably thinking of UEFI
00:37<somiaj>well it isn't like oracle cares enough to change it, and they are the devs.
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00:39<psyndrome>Speaking of free software or something Microsoft will make Linux distribution
00:39<psyndrome>if that make any sense
00:40<twb>actually MS only makes a GNU/NTOS distribution; ntoskrnl runs in a "linux emulation mode" (personality)
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00:40<twb>I think it's basically Ubuntu userland; it's whatever replaced SFU
00:41<psyndrome>I dont understand so deep but google also made android which is using linux but not gnu
00:41<psyndrome>right?
00:42<twb>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux
00:42<twb>psyndrome: right
00:42<somiaj>yea, windows has may a linux subsystem, seems like a windows version of a chroot
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00:43<jelly>Debian now has official-ish images for wsl
00:43<twb>somiaj: it's more complicated than that --- ntoskrnl actually provides linux-compatible syscalls
00:43<twb>somiaj: or a "linux personality" if you think in microkernel terms
00:44<jelly>and it's still GNU/Linux, just with a different but compatible kernel implementation, the userspace is unchanged
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00:44<somiaj>yea, I was being overly simplistic, since it needs an abi translation
00:44<psyndrome>I think most users around the world dont really care about this free software at all
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00:44<psyndrome>I dont know much about but i know basic stuff and when im talking to people about it
00:45<psyndrome>They are like uff i dont care :D
00:45<somiaj>psyndrome: most people in webdevelopment do, since most of the tools people use are free, though for desktops, you are probably correct, most just use what comes on their machine.
00:45<twb>"All I care about is why can't I watch Kitchen Brother on your crappy nerd computer"
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00:46<twb>somiaj: last time I looked most js wasn't FSF-grade free :-)
00:46<somiaj>but debian and users of debian do care, that is why the DFSG was created as part of the core of debian philsophy.
00:46<somiaj>twb: here i'm thinking wordpress.
00:46<jelly>dpkg, wsl is <reply>https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Microsoft/Windows/SubsystemForLinux
00:46<dpkg>okay, jelly
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00:48<jelly>dpkg, wsl is also irc channel #debian-wsl on <OFTC>
00:48<dpkg>okay, jelly
00:48<twb>jelly: thanks
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00:51<psyndrome>Its pretty much confusing to apply something like free software when we are living in a non free world with broken value system
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00:52<twb>you mean like how now when you get married you have to pay bride price in rifles instead of cattle?
00:52<somiaj>psyndrome: this is leaving debian support, but as I mentioned the DFSG in debian is very core in its policy and philosphy.
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00:53<somiaj>the only reason the fsf doesn't recommended debian is they think it is to easy to install non-free software in debian, because debian provides a seperate repo for it.
00:53<psyndrome>What i mean is the people are moving to destruction in a broken already society so a bigger change is need
00:54<twb>somiaj: also DFSG and FSF rules don't match 1:1
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00:54<psyndrome>Something like Jacque Fresco proposal
00:54<somiaj>twb: yea, I kinda enjoy gnu docs are in non-free
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00:54<psyndrome>Richard Stallman belive in constitution of the US and stuff like this
00:54<twb>somiaj: not all of them, only the ones with RMS's manifesto &c
00:55<psyndrome>This is why its not gonna happen
00:55<twb>psyndrome: erm, the US federal constitution *does* exist --- we have physical evidence
00:56<somiaj>I really don't quite follow where you are doing psyndrome, but before we run to far off topic, we should stick with debian support and policy, etc
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00:57<twb>+1 for get back ontopic
00:57<twb>psyndrome: do you still need help with running a 64-bit VM?
00:57<psyndrome>Well yes
00:58<somiaj>I would double check you have the hardware virtulaziation features turned on in your vm, I think virtualbox will require them for a 64bit os.
00:58<somiaj>I mean on in your bios/firwmare
00:59<twb>ARGH OK so even "gdb sleep" isn't working
01:00<twb>"During startup program exited with code 1"
01:00<twb>What do I have to do to make gdb actually work
01:00<jelly>psyndrome: is your host OS 64bit and which CPU do you have? A long time ago vbox would allow running a 64bit guest on a 32bit host (at least on linux host), this is not the case any more
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01:01<jm_>twb: gdb /bin/sleep
01:01<twb>jm_: same behaviour
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01:02<psyndrome>its 64bit host and intel core 2 duo e8400
01:02<twb>I'm probably missing binutils or something...
01:03<jm_>twb: that should stop in the debugger without running it: https://paste.debian.net/1024713/
01:03<twb>psyndrome: uname -rm
01:03<twb>jm_: I was typing r to run it
01:03<jm_>twb: ahh OK yes, that explains more
01:03<twb>herp derp
01:04<twb>It's working better when I run it as root instead of a dumb user...
01:04<twb>http://ix.io/1am5
01:04<jm_>does ldd work as both?
01:04<jm_>ldd /bin/sleep
01:05<twb>OK running it as an unprivileged user via su is working, but not via xvt running in the GUI (same unprivileged user)
01:06<twb>http://ix.io/1am7
01:06<psyndrome>well the case is reversed now seems like
01:06<twb>http://cyber.com.au/~twb/tmp/tmp.jpg (I can't easily copy-paste out of VNC)
01:06<twb>psyndrome: what is the output of "uname -rm" on your host system
01:07<jelly>twb: can you run gdb as a normal, logged in user, not via su?
01:07<psyndrome>i have to execute this command?
01:07<twb>jelly: see jpg
01:07<twb>jelly: that's what's not working
01:08<twb>That user's login shell is /bin/false and similar lockdown, so that might be the trouble...
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01:09<jm_>psyndrome: yes, run the command
01:09<psyndrome>4.9.0-6-amd64 x86_64
01:09<psyndrome>this is the massage
01:10<jelly>twb: what is --ex=r supposed to do?
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01:10<jm_>executes 'r' or 'run'
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01:11<jelly>isn't that just -x
01:11<twb>jelly: it just types r ENTER
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01:11<twb>I copy-pasted it from a howto since I haven't bothered to read the gdb manpage yet
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01:12<jm_>yeah try removing -e
01:12<twb>oh okey dokey
01:12<jelly>info gdb says "-ex" with a single dash, or "-x" for slightly different functionality
01:13<twb>via su: http://ix.io/1am8
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01:13<twb>via GUI: http://cyber.com.au/~twb/tmp/tmp2.jpg
01:15<jelly>more precisely, info gdb 'Invocation' 'Invoking GDB' 'File Options'
01:15<jelly>but both "gdb -ex=r --args /bin/sleep 5" and "gdb --ex=r --args /bin/sleep 5" work the same here
01:16<jelly>twb: is this a normal stretch kernel? "uname -a"
01:17<jm_>psyndrome: you said virtualbox does not let you install 64bit guest OS, how so?
01:17<psyndrome>I dont know how its just theres no option 64 but all suggested OS inside are (32bit)
01:18<twb>jelly: no it's a heavily locked-down kiosk image with a custom kernel
01:18<jm_>in virtualbox GUI? if you Click on "New", select "Linux" for "Type" you only see 32 bit versions?
01:19<twb>Linux bentham-wing-e4 4.15.11inmate #1 SMP Tue Apr 24 06:21:38 UTC 2018 x86_64 GNU/Linux
01:19<psyndrome>yes 32bit only
01:19<twb>jelly: I can switch to a stock stretch bpo kernel, it'll take me about 20 minutes.
01:19<jm_>how did you install virtualbox?
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01:19<jm_>twb: is it also failing outside of gdb?
01:20<psyndrome>i downloaded the package from their official site it was in the section for debian
01:20<twb>jm_: sorry, what is "it" ?
01:20<jelly>twb: does the heany lockdown include ptrace() lockdown?
01:20<jm_>ok that's your error, uninstall that and install debian packages instead
01:20<jm_>twb: sleep
01:21<somiaj>psyndrome: you have to get virtualbox from stretch-backports in contrib, but debian does provide packages.
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01:21<twb>no, sleep works when run by hand, when run inside gdb by root, when run inside gdb by p123 (via su), and when run by p123 (no gdb) (from GUI login). It is failing when run inside gdb by p123 (from GUI login)
01:21<twb>(Some earlier reports were muddled due to herpderp args to gdb and sleep)
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01:21<jm_>ahh OK, so yeah, what jelly asked - is ptrace somehow unavailable to users in this kernel?
01:22<jelly>twb: because if you have something like GRKERNSEC_HARDEN_PTRACE in your kernel, then gdb or strace not working is expected -- you wanted to break it
01:22<twb>jelly: I turned off yama's ptrace
01:22<twb># sysctl -a | grep ptrace ===> kernel.yama.ptrace_scope = 0
01:22<twb>jelly: I may have other stuff on still e.g. /proc hardening
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01:23<jelly>it sounds like basically only root can ptrace()
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01:23<psyndrome>so i have to add something in the sources lists?
01:24<somiaj>!tell psyndrome about stretch-backports
01:24<somiaj>!tell psyndrome about contrib
01:24<somiaj>psyndrome: read what the bot told you.
01:25<twb>jelly: then why is it working for su - ?
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01:26<jelly>twb: because it's called from root and capabilities inherited apparently
01:27<jelly>sounds like mode 2 https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/security/Yama.txt
01:28<twb>jelly: fair enough
01:28<twb>But note that ptrace_scope is 0 not 2
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01:30<jelly>twb: I have no idea about how yama works and whether that's a global or processes already running keep doing what they did before
01:30<twb>jelly: AFAIK, it is set globally at any time and can't be unset without a reboot
01:30<jelly>then you probably did not unset it :-)
01:31<twb>I did unset it which is why it's 0 this boot and was 2 like an hour ago
01:31<jelly>the docs suggest only 3 can't be unset, but again, I have no clue about yama
01:31<twb>FWIW, the inmate user p123 can run "/sbin/sysctl -a" and they also see ptrace_scope = 09
01:31<twb>FWIW, the inmate user p123 can run "/sbin/sysctl -a" and they also see ptrace_scope = 0
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01:32<twb>jelly: ah yeah 3 is what it's set to in my prod images
01:32<twb>I'll try remounting /proc without hidepid=1
01:32<twb>just as a completely random guess
01:33<twb>I suspect the actual problem will be that I've left out some dependency of gdb because it is a STUPID hard dependency of kdelibs5 and in normal builds I want it to not be there
01:33<jm_>just try strace as p123 and see what thay says
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01:33<jm_>strace /bin/sleep 1
01:33<jelly>wait you also have a custom gdb?
01:33<twb>That works fine
01:34<twb>jelly: no
01:34<twb>jelly: but I have pseudopackages that do stuff like Provides: libgpgme11
01:34<jelly>equivs, ok
01:34<jm_>so maybe gdb needs something else still, I looked where that error is reported and is after it calls wait() or a variant of that
01:35<jelly>twb: do you mean kdelibs5 depend on gdb, or the other way round?
01:36<twb>jelly: kdelibs5 depends on gpgme which depends on gpg
01:36<twb>the "maybe it breaks gdb" is currently just speculation
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01:36<jelly>and what does any of that have to do with gdb
01:37<twb>e.g. because gdb depends on libgpgme also
01:37<jelly>it doesn't
01:37<jelly>,depends gdb
01:37<judd>Package gdb in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libbabeltrace-ctf1 (>= 1.2.1), libbabeltrace1 (>= 1.2.1), libc6 (>= 2.15), libexpat1 (>= 2.0.1), liblzma5 (>= 5.1.1alpha+20110809), libncurses5 (>= 6), libpython3.5 (>= 3.5.0~b1), libreadline7 (>= 6.0), libtinfo5 (>= 6), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.0).
01:37<twb>here's the actual list of the main equivs package: http://ix.io/1amb
01:37<jm_>twb: from the symptoms it sounds like some kernel restriction is causing it
01:37<jelly>(babeltrace or python do not, either)
01:38<twb>The only others are logrotate, man-db, and some fonts-*
01:38<twb>I thought binutils was in there as well, but apparently not
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01:40<jelly>hidepid=2 is probably more sane
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01:41<jelly>(that's how the original functionality in, again, grsec, worked)
01:41<twb>Same fault after mount -o remount,hidepid=0 /proc, and confirmed that hidepid=0 was applied per /proc/mounts
01:42<jelly>it's interesting that strace works (now)
01:43<jelly>so you have a different issue. Sadly debugging gdb will be a bit of a catch 22
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01:44<jm_>why do you want to run gdb on a locked down system anyway?
01:44<twb>jm_: the locked-down system is the one that's got chromium crashing in it
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01:44<twb>My actual end goal is to stop chromium from crashing
01:44<jm_>twb: ahh probably the same thing, something it wants to use is not there
01:45<twb>jm_: yep and without debugging I can't work out which of the umpteen lockdowns it is pissed about
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01:45<twb>I *can* definitely crash chromium with stock bpo kernel though
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01:48<jelly>twb: do you have an image that works in a VM?
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01:49<twb>probably? Provided the emulated GPU is intel flavoured
01:49<twb>I'll probably get in trouble if I give you the full image though
01:49<themill>is it feasible to do a binary search through the used lockdowns to figure out which one it is unhappy with
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01:50<jelly>also, allow it to dump core
01:52<twb>themill: yeah that's probably waht I need to do next
01:52<twb>jelly: oh yeah I totally forgot I was gonna ask if it's feasible to say "allow core dumps", let it dump, then just run gdb on the bugger.core file
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02:27<twb>Well I removed vlc and libreoffice and kde from the image, so I could also remove my equivs buggery
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02:29<twb>Also don't see anything gdb-y in the opted-out Recommends list: http://ix.io/1amo
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02:30<psyndrome>Those packages from debian are practically the same and didnt change anything
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02:35<jm_>psyndrome: they are not the same, they are built for 64bit and allow use of 64bit guests - I know, because I have it installed
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02:37<psyndrome>but i did installed 64bit from oracle its the same
02:37<psyndrome>its no difference both have the same result for me
02:37<twb>psyndrome: how did you verify that it's the same? Did you checksum al the files?
02:38<psyndrome>it gives me the same results
02:38<psyndrome>highly doubt theres difference in the program anyway
02:39<jm_>this is with debian virtualbox packages: https://paste.debian.net/1024718/
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02:43<jm_>ok so found this -- https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=62339
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02:43<jm_>so your CPU is missing that?
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02:45<jm_>egrep "vmx|svm" /proc/cpuinfo
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02:51<psyndrome>looks like this is the thing thanks for sharing
02:51<jelly>c2d ought to have vmx, but if it's disabled in BIOS you're SOL
02:51<psyndrome>im tired to go do whatever anymore
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02:53<jelly>https://ark.intel.com/products/33910/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-E8400-6M-Cache-3_00-GHz-1333-MHz-FSB says VT-x yes
02:53<jelly>psyndrome: but virtualization thingies have to be enabled in bios as well
02:54<jm_>so double check your BIOS settings as mentioned before
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02:54<twb>psyndrome: what did jm_'s egrep say?
02:56<psyndrome>ok thanks a lot now i have to remove those ghost things
02:56<psyndrome>they left something is messed up
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03:06<draeath>I feel like an idiot. I'm trying to backport this package: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/hackrf - I've set up a deb-src line in my apt for testing (and unstable, while at it) and apt doesn't behave right. I have this exact setup working on a different machine, the only difference i can see being the working one is amd64 and the non-working i386.
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03:07<draeath>'apt-get -b source hackrf/testing' yells it can't find the 2015 version. Which is half right, because testing doesn't HAVE that version. If I specify that version explicitly, it just can't find it. If I use '-t testing' instead of /testing, I get "The value 'testing' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources"
03:08<draeath>I have rewritten the apt sources several times now to rule out a silly typo. I'm a bit lost.
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03:10<jm_>!bat
03:10<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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03:11<draeath>Any way to do that without a GUI to get to the paste site? :P
03:11<jm_>sure
03:11<jm_>!nopaste
03:11<dpkg>nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste".
03:11<draeath>thanks. Followup: should I be including the -t or /release syntax on those apt-cache commands?
03:12<jm_>I would go with -t as that's most commonly used, but it shouldn't really matter - the most important bit is apt-cache stuff
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03:16<draeath>issue: the apt-cache commands don't show the deb-src only items?
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03:17<draeath>this is true on the system where this all works as well
03:18<jm_>looks like it yes
03:18<draeath>k. ill include for completeness though i dont think that particular bit is helpful
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03:24<draeath>jm_: commands output in the first URL, sources in the second. https://paste.debian.net/1024726/ https://paste.debian.net/1024727/
03:25<draeath>I am following this process as I don't need or want to make changes, just build https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#How_do_I_backport_a_sid_package_to_testing_or_stable.3F
03:26<draeath>oh and the packages (for testing) *are* available for the arch i'm looking at. I checked that first :P
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03:28<jm_>draeath: what does this show? grep-available -F Package hackrf /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_source_Sources
03:28<jm_>I might lag in responses now (meeting(
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03:29<jm_>just check the version field
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03:30<jm_>(adding "-s Package,Version" helps too)
03:31<draeath>jm_: I see 2018.01.1-2, as well as an unrelated package that depends on hackrf (soapyhackrf) if that matters
03:32<draeath>Arch "any" just to confirm heh
03:32<jm_>draeath: try apt-get source hackrf=2018.01.1-2
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03:33<draeath>that's pulling sources, hrm.
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03:33<draeath>lemme try a build command with that version syntax and no release id
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03:33<draeath>*that* works
03:33<jm_>not sure why apt-get source does not like -t, I suspect that's the problem
03:33<draeath>jm_: any clue why it works that way, but not on my other machine?
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03:34<draeath>rather I do 'apt-get -b source hackrf/testing' on it and it Just Works
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03:35<draeath>Either way, thank you very much for helping!
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03:36<twb>IIRC it doesn't like "apt-get source foo/stretch" either
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03:36<twb>but I may be misremembering
03:36<jm_>draeath: no :)
03:36<jm_>maybe check other stuff in /etc/apt
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03:36<jm_>twb: man page explicitely says it should
03:36<jm_>explicitly too
03:37<twb>Ignore me then
03:37<draeath>for what it's worth, i am not insane: https://paste.debian.net/1024729/ (aborted with CTRL-C once it started rolling)
03:37<themill>istr it only works if you have both a deb and deb-src line
03:37<themill>(this has changed a couple of times though)
03:37<jm_>yeah that may be it
03:37<twb>I gave up and just use dgit most of the time now
03:37<twb>since dgit doesn't care what's in sources.list
03:38<draeath>themill: but I don't have that, for testing/unstable I only have deb-src (provided sources file earlier, if you want to see)
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03:38<jm_>draeath: on the other system too?
03:39<draeath>yep. Exact copies, I stuck it on a flash drive and copied it JUST to be sure I wasn't derping it up
03:39<draeath>just verified md5 matches, because at this point I'm thinking something is haunted
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03:40<draeath>Or... and I really don't like this idea... apt is going down a different code path (or script) on i386 vs amd64
03:40<draeath>(or something in the pipeline)
03:40<twb>nitpick: md5 is broken since 1994, use sha512
03:41<twb>http://valerieaurora.org/hash.html
03:41<draeath>Hey, it's still fine for casual validation. The chances of a valid apt repo config having a hash collision with another, and still being meaningful, are very.... slim.
03:41<jelly>twb: it's not broken in the case that someone can casually MITM a file with same size and keep the checksum
03:42<twb>I confess I still use CRC sometimes (cksum), because that also prints the file size
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03:42<twb>Just so long as you are making an INFORMED choice when you pick a broken algo ;-)
03:42<draeath>:)
03:43<twb>apt itself won't even accept SHA-1 anymore, let alone MD5
03:43<jm_>i switched to sha256
03:43<draeath>[trusted=yes] /me ducks
03:43<twb>insert obligatory git snark
03:44<draeath>I *only* use that for my local (on my filesystem) repo. I like to keep debs I build in there for tracking etc. Stuff generated with checkinstall and the like, too.
03:44<draeath>(so anyone randomly reading this later, do NOT blindly set that in apt to work around silly config issues)
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03:44<twb>yes if you set trusted=yes you're a Bad Person
03:45*twb threatens lurkers with a bladder-on-a-stick
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03:45<draeath>in the case of `local-apt-repository` if they can slap deb files in there, either you're dumb and you chmodded the directory world-writable, or they already had root to begin with
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03:47<twb>In general, arguments like "it's ok in THIS case because I can't think of a way it could be used for Evil™" end up being broken by "whoops, attacker was more imaginative than me"
03:47<themill>Attacker who already has root gets root. meh.
03:47<twb>that's why my official rule of thumb is "just use strong crypto everywhere dammit"
03:48<Zimsky>just filter out packets with evil bit set
03:49<draeath>Dang. The USB host on this thing can only handle 20MiB/second :| half of what I was hoping for
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03:49<draeath>Oh well. I should be happy with 10mb/s I/Q sample rate. That's not tiny.
03:51<twb>draeath: try the other bank of ports
03:51<twb>draeath: it is common for motherboards to have a mix of USB1/2/3
03:52<Zimsky>draeath: what bandwidth are you trying to receive
03:52<draeath>oh, I have. I think the thing has a built-in sd card reader that's hanging off the USB bus
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03:52<draeath>maybe not, lsusb shows 5 root hubs. eh. old junky eeepc so
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03:52<twb>701 or 900?
03:52<draeath>1000 :P
03:53<draeath>I was hoping to use it to record spectrum on my commute to work, so i could play with it later. I still can - just half the spectrum :P
03:53<draeath>my "real" laptop is bulky
03:53<Zimsky>I find with my hrf, longer usb cables have issues
03:53<draeath>oh I get beyond the rated spec on this other laptop, same hackrf and cable
03:53<twb>USB1 is 12Mbit/s, USB2 is 480Mbit/s
03:53<twb>so 20Mbit/s is "buggered" quality
03:54<twb>oh you said MiB/s
03:54<twb>480Mbit/s = 60MiB/s
03:54<draeath>yea data streams off in 16-bit samples (two 8-bit signed ints. as a pair actually)
03:54<Zimsky>draeath: get an ettus usrp and use two 10gbe ports instead ;D
03:55<twb>oh do you mean spectrum the radio show?
03:56<draeath>I can pull reliably '43.0 MiB / 1.000 sec = 43.0 MiB/second' so. happy there. The HackRF is "rated" to only 40
03:56<twb>At first I read that as, like, "I plugged a mass spectroscope into my USB2 port and I'm trying to analyse inorganic chemicals on the bus"
03:56<twb>*spectrometer
03:56<draeath>that... would be slow.
03:56<twb>no kiddin
03:56<draeath>We have samples from those at work, among others, and they are not small
03:56<twb>plus... vibrations
03:57<draeath>Ever work with human whole-genome sequencing? That's some heavy stuff!
03:57<Zimsky>I always use my atomic absorption spectrometer on the tram
03:58<arto>#debian
03:58<draeath>Zimsky: so you have a hackrf? I just installed a TCXO and a shield around the front-end. Also have a ferrite on the USB cable because why not, it was sitting in a drawer anyway.
03:59<Zimsky>draeath: I use little 5cm shielded usb cables and the actual board is just in a metal box with an antenna port extension
03:59<draeath>... anyway. once again, thanks for the help dealing with apt's seeming fickleness
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04:09<twb>still not having any luck getting gdb to work for a normal user
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04:09<twb>stock kernel, removed a bunch of random other lockdown
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04:11<twb>I don't suppose gdb would care that the user is an LDAP account and their $HOME is root_squash'ed ?
04:11<jm_>can you get it to core dump?
04:11<twb>oh I forgot all about that again
04:11<twb>systemd has some thing where it eats core dumps now, right?
04:11<twb>rather than just getting a file in $PWD
04:12<jm_>not sure if it does, just set ulimit in shell and start it from there
04:13<Gabriel_7>twb: yes it has
04:13<Gabriel_7>See coredumpctl
04:13<twb>oh I thought I had to piss around in sysctl
04:14<twb>I definitely don't *want* systemd to eat the core dumps, because they go into some crazy place where only systemd can find them. It used to be in the journal directly, and then they realized that filled the journald filesystem and caused log events to be rotated away, so now it's somewhere else again like /var/lib
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04:14<jm_>apparently systemd-coredump is not mandatory :)
04:14<twb>I'm trying to remember if stretch has systemd-coredumpd on by default
04:14<jm_>that's why I was not aware of it
04:15<jm_>it probably just tells the kernel to use it via /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern
04:15<twb>Ah it's all coming back to me now
04:15<twb>I remember last time I had to enable core_pattern *and* the system-wide ulimit *and* then do something process-specific
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04:16<twb>If someone has a greppable copy of #debian from like 2 years ago, can probably find me bitching about this exact same thing back then
04:16<jm_>by default core_pattern is just core, so shall work for most people, and to not mess with system wide limit just set it in shell and start the app from that shell
04:17<twb>jm_: root can't write to $HOME tho
04:17<twb>isn't the core file written by a privileged user?
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04:17<twb>Better question: what's a trivial way to get a test program that'll dump core
04:18<Gabriel_7>twb: int main() { abort(); }
04:19<twb>cool I was halfway there myself
04:19<jm_>twb: sleep 30 & killall -6 $(pidof sleep)
04:19<twb>only I was going to do something like free(NULL) or printf
04:19<jm_>free(NULL) is valid
04:19<twb>dammit
04:20<twb>free(1) then
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04:21<twb>This works: $ echo 'main(){free(1);}'|cc -xc -&&./a.out
04:22<twb>and ulimit -c 99999999 then gives me a file called "core"
04:22<twb>So... yay
04:22<twb>When the image finishes rebuilding I'll try that with chromium itself and try to get a core file, then wave it under gdb's nose
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04:38<pacman-is-evil>hi
04:38<pacman-is-evil>i need help with a thing
04:39<pacman-is-evil>i can't open the terminal no more
04:39<pacman-is-evil>and i don't know why..
04:39<pacman-is-evil>i see the process in the system monitor but it doesn't open up
04:40<pacman-is-evil>also, I already rebooted debian
04:40<jm_>you can't start a single installed terminal emulator?
04:41<pacman-is-evil>nope
04:41<jm_>but other apps work?
04:41<pacman-is-evil>both of gnome-terminal and root-terminal are unusable
04:42<pacman-is-evil>jm_, yes
04:42<jm_>pacman-is-evil: how about something simpler like xterm/rxvt?
04:43<pacman-is-evil>i haven't it
04:44<pacman-is-evil>i had it on xfce but now i'm using cinnamon
04:45<jm_>try checking your session log
04:48<pacman-is-evil>and can i do it?
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04:50<jm_>I don't understand what you are asking
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04:50<pacman-is-evil>sorry jm_, but how can i check the session log without a terminal?
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04:53<at0m>open it in tty Ctrl-Alt-F[1-6] or from text editor or browser..
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04:56<jm_>pacman-is-evil: switch to one of tty-s and login there
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04:56<jm_>yeah opening it in an editor/pager that works will also do
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05:19<twb>FYI it's not writing a bloody core dump
05:19<twb>even when I run "ulimit -c 99999" first as the inmate
05:20<twb>http://cyber.com.au/~twb/tmp/tmp3.jpg
05:20<twb>It ought to be saying "Segmentation fault (core dumped)"
05:21<twb>same behaviour for a root login; and I'm using a stock kernel so it's not that I compiled out core dump support
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05:22<twb>dmesg can definitely see that it's segfaulting
05:22<twb>[ 198.049564] a.out[1000]: segfault at fffffffffffffff9 ip 00007fe76e90f524 sp 00007fffc326acb8 error 5 in libc-2.24.so[7fe76e894000+195000]
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05:22<twb>so what the bloody hell
05:23<twb>"gdb -ex=r --args /bin/sleep 5", as GUI user, is also still failing
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06:04<EmleyMoor>Is there anything available in Debian that can easily bitwise XOR a string of bytes from a file?
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06:22<fooster>Is anyone using nvidia-driver from stretch-backports? I get dependencies issues
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06:23<petn-randall>!bat
06:23<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
06:23<petn-randall>fooster: Can you provide the details above in a single paste? ^^^
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06:31<EmleyMoor>I'm looking for a way to xor all the bytes of a file - not "with something or other" but simple "byte by byte". How would I do this?
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06:33<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Where does the other input byte come from? For one byte of output, you need two input bytes for xor.
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06:34<bremner>I suppose A[0] xor A[1] xor A[2] ...
06:34<EmleyMoor>First byte XOR second byte XOR third byte &c...
06:34<bremner>personally I'd write a C program. ymmv
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09:57<goonieb_>hello, it is quite complicated to migrate packages these days: I can get from jackd2 to jackd1 without uninstalling stuffs, yet synaptics tells me there is no way not to break dependencies doing so,same for nvidia drivers from backport, for jackd it is the most problematic so far...what should i do?
09:57<goonieb_>can I force install jackd1 or will it break my system?
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10:02<hax0r48>yo
10:02<hax0r48>whats up
10:02<petn-randall>hax0r48: Kali or Parrot?
10:02<hax0r48>parrot
10:03<petn-randall>!parrot
10:03<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
10:03<petn-randall>hax0r48: ^^^
10:03<hax0r48>yeah
10:03<hax0r48>and you ?
10:03<petn-randall>hax0r48: It means this is a Debian support channel and you're lost.
10:03<hax0r48>hahaha
10:04<petn-randall>goonieb_: You should be able to resolve it properly with aptitude. I don't know how synaptics exactly handles this.
10:04<hax0r48>is anybody here?
10:04<petn-randall>hax0r48: Do you have a Debian support question?
10:04<hax0r48>nope
10:05<petn-randall>hax0r48: Then please don't add noise to the channel.
10:05<hax0r48>sorry bro:)
10:05<goonieb_>petn-randall: I thought so, but for both, I'm stuck
10:06<goonieb_>petn-randall: on 2 computers at least
10:06<petn-randall>goonieb_: Downgrading from what to what exactly?
10:06<goonieb_>well, trying to switch from jackd2 to jackd1 is pretty destructive
10:07<petn-randall>!bat
10:07<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
10:07<petn-randall>goonieb_: Can you provide the info above? ^^^
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10:09<goonieb_>petn-randall: in a debian paste$
10:09<hax0r48>^_^
10:10<petn-randall>goonieb: yes
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10:15<goonieb_>petn-randall: sorry, I am getting rid of kxstudio repositories and dependancies to make sure it is not causing the trouble
10:15<goonieb_>petn-randall: then reporting
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10:23<petn-randall>goonieb_: That won't help with the issue because the packages and all those dependencies will still be installed even if you remove the repos.
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14:19<m1sc>hey, I use vagrant / minikube with virtualbox as vm provider. suddenly (since a few days?), my host-only adapter interfaces don't get configured anymore on the host. from the guests perspective, everything is fine (no errors, interfaces up and configured). somebody by any chance got the same problem and knows a solution?
14:19<m1sc>debian testing, virtualbox 5.2.10-dfsg-6, linux 4.16.0-1-amd64
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14:24<crash_>#debian-next can help you now that you are running testing and not stable
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15:04<Seriot>Hello guys
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15:06<retrospectacus>hi
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15:08<Seriot>What distros you have in mind? What you guess is more cool?
15:08<annadane>depends on your needs
15:08<piper>this is debian
15:09<petn-randall>Seriot: Are you running Kali or Parrot?
15:10<Seriot>Now Raspbian:)
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15:12<petn-randall>Seriot: Oh, I see. This being #debian, you'll only here praise about The Best Distro In The World™, however try #linux for more general support. And there's also #raspbian and #raspberrypi.
15:13<annadane>debian tends to be the best of all worlds for a lot of casual users, IMO
15:13<annadane>!why debian
15:13<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
15:13<annadane>that's actually not what i wanted but that's fine too
15:13<Seriot>Is just a curiosity, nothing serious. Currently I run Mint, and work well with various programming tool
15:14<Seriot>However thanks for your tips
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15:17<lux>Hola
15:17<lux>Is Now my HOUR
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15:18<petn-randall>lux: How so?
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15:34<m1sc>crash_ thanks! didn't know there's a next channel
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15:58<crash_>m1sc: no problems :)
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16:39<base>Is there a channel for debian sid?
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16:40<annadane>#debian-next, base
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16:42<base>thanks
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16:44<annadane>dpkg, no, why debian is <reply> Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (mirrored at https://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an
16:44<annadane>added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
16:44<dpkg>annadane: okay
16:44<annadane>wait, damn it
16:44<annadane>should've done that in #bots anyway
16:44<annadane>dpkg, no, why debian is <reply> Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
16:44<dpkg>annadane: okay
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16:57<Diagon>I've got a system that I generated using ... an approach that involved my preparing encrypted disks before the debian installer, installing to those disks, and then rebooting into a live system so I can chroot to the system and fix crypttab/initramfs.
16:57<Diagon>In the live system, I install cryptsetup, chroot in to the installed system and then update-initramfs.
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16:58<Diagon>cryptsetup exists in the installed system, but the new initramfs refuses to include cryptsetup despite the presence of cryptab. Any ideas that might help?
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17:26<Diagon>To clarify:
17:26<Diagon>This always worked on ubuntu, but fails on debian: I've prepared a luks disk and booted the d-i to install to that disk. Rebooting into the live disk, I've pivoted into the installed system. Cryptsetup is present and I've fixed my crypttab. Oddly, update-initramfs does /not/ include cryptsetup into the initramfs.
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18:19<ecur>who speak spanish
18:20<likcoras>Diagon: not answering the question, but what's wrong with letting the installer handle encrypted disks?
18:21<Diagon>likcoras: Lots of issues. Basically, you can't do anything but put a luks container inside of a partition. Even if I just want to use the whole device rather than create a partition table, it's not doable.
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18:21<likcoras>Ah, right.
18:22<Diagon>Yes, there is very limited use of cryptsetup options and settings.
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18:22<likcoras>Good luck, I was going for a similar setup but turned out it was a massive pain in the ass, so just settled for whatever the installer gave me. Hopefully you have better luck with your system.
18:23<Diagon>As I say, I can do this on Ubuntu. I've even been able to do a detached header setup with ubuntu, but even getting to the first step with debian seems to be a problem.
18:25<Diagon>I've tried devuan with OpenRC, too. I'm wondering if this is an init issue?? I'm not informed enough to know. If I can't find my way, I'll go back to systemV and see if anything's different.
18:25<Diagon>likcoras ^^^^^^^^^
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18:27<futune>i usually install with debootstrap for this reason
18:27<futune>more flexible
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18:31<Diagon>futune - Ah. I'm new to debian and didn't know there was a choice. I'll go have a look now, thanks!
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18:34<futune>if you have experience with arch linux, it works similarly to pacstrap
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18:39<IkeDo>hello guys
18:39<IkeDo>dose anyone knows the network of kali linux ?
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18:39<Diagon>futune - so what do you do? Use an extra disk for the base system, and then deboostrap a new install to the main disks so that when you get it working you can remove the main system?
18:40<IkeDo>guys
18:40<IkeDo>can anyone answer me please
18:40<futune>Diagon, you can install debootstrap while booted in a live image, to the live image
18:41<futune>it will not be persistent, but that should be ok because you only use it once
18:41<Diagon>futune - Ah. clever.
18:41<futune>then partition, set up luks, etc, and run it
18:41<IkeDo>diagon , futune
18:41<Diagon>Ok, I'm gonna do that in a virtual machine and see if I can get it to work.
18:41<IkeDo>can anyone
18:41<IkeDo>tell me
18:41<IkeDo>what's the name of kali linux server ?
18:42<Diagon>Thanks, man.
18:42<blast007>!kali
18:42<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
18:42<futune>IkeDo, there is no such thing as Kali linux server
18:42<futune>Kali is a very specialized pentesting distro, with very little security, it is spectacularly unsuited to use for a server
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18:43<futune>Diagon, you know how to set up a chroot to install bootloader?
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18:43<futune>cause you're gonna be doing that manually
18:43<futune>also one more warning - debootstrap does not install the linux kernel by default, you have to do that as well in the chroot
18:44<futune>best of luck!
18:44<Diagon>Ya, I do. That's what I'm doing with the system that I've installed with the d-i and what I've always done with Ubuntu, but update-initramfs is not including cryptsetup.
18:45<Diagon>so I have to apt-get install linux-kernel or some such??
18:45<futune>yeah, the package is called linux-image-amd64
18:45<futune>if you are on amd64 of course
18:45<Diagon>Cool. I can do that. Hope I get a different result. (ya, amd64)
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18:46<IkeDo>thanks bro
18:47<Diagon>IkeDo - insistance makes people pissed off. Be patient. I was.
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23:09<jon_>good afternoon
23:10<dvs>night!
23:10<jon_>night
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