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02:01<twb>Oookay, so I'm fighting "let's get a symbol-ful backtrace when chromium crashes" again
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02:02<twb>I built an image that had even more of my lockdown removed. ulimit -c works, and I get a core dump! but "gdb -ex=r --args /bin/sleep 5" is still not working
02:02<twb>I noticed that gdb Recommends libc6-dbg and I have recommends off by default, so I'm testing another build with that package included
02:03<twb>Do I need to also install all the -dbgsym packages for all the libraries that chromium uses? Or do I *only* need chromium-dbgsym?
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02:03<twb>Because, like, chromium has a flipping lot of libraries
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02:07<somiaj>twb: is this chromium crashing on your custom kernel? I haven't had it crash on me, though my use case is probabaly way similer than yours.
02:07<twb>somiaj: I took the custom kernel out ages ago
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02:08<somiaj>what causes chromium to crash then? A paticular website, or addon?
02:08<twb>it crashes randomly, even sometimes when the user has walked away from the computer
02:09<twb>it is reproducible in chromium 64 and 66 but not in chromium 62 or 63 (all on stretch, making no other changes)
02:09<twb>That is, with no other differences between the "works" and "crashes" images
02:09<somiaj>oi, does sound annoying to debug, not sure I can be of much help, but I haven't had chromium crash on me in ages, well except for the Ahh Snap from tabs, but that is only a tab
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02:12<jm_>twb: -dbg packages are not needed for gdb to work, but you will often get ?? in backtrace instead of actual symbol name
02:12<twb>jm_: thanks for confirming
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02:33<mdomlop>/msg NickServ SENDPASS mdomlop
02:33<mdomlop>1526538783:3104E8E1D6D2D755D32D3E41488F503D1A8A09EB
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02:35<somiaj>if that is real, you may want to update your passes, if not, we don't need the noise here.
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02:35<twb>or find some way to do key-based auth
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04:01<frzn>hey, a friend of mine has problems installaling debian on her acer swift 3 notebook. The installer exits successful but wont boot into her debian, instead booting into her windows (dual boot setup). Her uefi doesn't show any boot entry for her debian
04:02<frzn>after some troubleshooting (second installation / bios update / reinstalling grub from live image) I run out of ideas.
04:02<frzn>common uefi configuration errors are double checked: bootmode is set to uefi; secure boot is off
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04:11<twb>frzn: use refind?
04:12<twb>There's a simple way to test that if you can UEFI boot off USB. If it works, then you can put it on the internal SSD
04:12-!-neib is now known as n3ib
04:13<twb>wget --content-disposition http://sourceforge.net/projects/refind/files/0.11.2/refind-flashdrive-0.11.2.zip/download
04:13<twb>unzip refind-flashdrive-0.11.2.zip
04:15<twb>cp refind-flashdrive-0.11.2/refind-flashdrive-0.11.2.img /dev/sdz # where sdz is a spare USB key
04:16<twb>And finally, echo 'DEFAULT "root=LABEL=tough ro loglevel=2"' >/boot/refind_linux.conf
04:16<twb>where "tough" is whatever your rootfs is named
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04:24<cr33d>Hii
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04:30<frzn>sry was afk. i will try it
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04:32<twb>yaaaaaay
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04:39<ognyan>Hello All, I'm using Linux debian 3.16.0-6-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.56-1+deb8u1 (2018-05-08) i686 GNU/Linux and I'm trying to install Citrix HDX PlugIn. I'm downloading deb install package for x86 but it gives me unsupported OS. Does anyone has any idea how to fix that? Thanks in advance.
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04:42<grove>!bat
04:42<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
04:42<twb>ognyan: what is the URL to download this deb?
04:43<grove>ognyan: It might be because x86 means 32-bit and you have a 64-bit installation, in that case you should either find a debian package for amd64 or look into multiarch
04:43<grove>!multiarch
04:43<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
04:44<grove>It would also help if you gave some more details on what you're doing and what gives the error
04:45<twb>grove: -686-pae is an IA32 kernel
04:47<grove>twb: Right, I had missed that, then that is not the problem
04:47<twb>Let's wait for ognyan to wake up
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05:02<ognyan>Hi, https://www.citrix.com/downloads/citrix-receiver/additional-client-software/hdx-realtime-media-engine-22.html - this is the link
05:03<ognyan>I tried downloading x86 and x64 and both files are giving me unsupported OS. There is sh script that is checking this and 2 deb packages, when I try opening and installing packages directly (even with force) - it's not working: it gives me I need to run the installation from sh :)
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05:04<twb>I don't see a .deb anywhere on that page -- only .exe, .dmg, .zip, .zip
05:04<grove>I don't see any deb package for download from that page
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05:05<ognyan>Yes, there is HDX RealTime Media Engine 2.2 for Linux (x86) and a zip, inside you will file the files
05:05<twb>bash4$ wget https://downloads.citrix.com/11922/HDX_RealTime_Media_Engine_2.2_for_Linux_x64.zip?__gda__=1526551416_7be7551093ca2e94c01902e783bd60d3
05:06<twb>http://ix.io/1aCg
05:07<ognyan>twb: correct, this is the file
05:07<twb>ognyan: as you are on 686-pae kernel, x64 download is definitely wrong for you
05:08<twb>citrix-hdx-realtime-media-engine_2.2.0-837_i386.deb <-- that "i386" corresponds to your "686-pae"
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05:09<ognyan>twb, apologies, you are correct, first I tried with x86 - and as it's not working I tried as well x64 but the results is the same.
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05:09<ognyan>When I do ./HDXRTME_install.sh then I get Unsupported OS.
05:09<twb>uh... don't run random shell scripts
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05:11<twb>If you're in a GUI you can probably just double-click on the ..._i386.deb file
05:12<ognyan>twb, the file is from citrix.com but you are right - it can be everything. I tried running deb directly but from GUI gives error that it needs to be run via sh and when I try installing the deb via shell - it gives other error
05:12<twb>what error?
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05:14<twb>FWIW this thing you're trying to install is badly-packaged proprietary crap
05:14<ognyan>When I extract deb file and I try configure & make & install - there is no confugure file ;)
05:14<twb>ognyan: that makes no sense AT ALL
05:14<ognyan>this is the error: (now I see it's the same) - Please use HDXRTME_install script to install the product.
05:14<ognyan>Installation terminated.
05:14<twb>Ugh
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05:15<utente>ciao
05:15<twb>The .deb is actually checking if "/tmp/rtmeok" directory exists, and the crapper .sh wrapper checks it
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05:16<ognyan>probably it's crap, but I'm trying to connect to my work via citrix and HDX plugin is needed so that audio is working. Is there anything I can do to start working. Can I create this folder?
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05:16<twb>what you have to do is actually reverse-engineer the .sh script
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05:19<ognyan>;( I'm not that good in shell scripts but I will try my best.
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05:25<frzn>twb: i managed to boot her debian via refind. so the efi file seems intact, do you have any idea how to "repair" her grub? already force installed it again on her drive, but won't change anything or do you think i should just install refind persistent?
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05:43<frzn>ok im pretty sure now that the problem is that the bios does not interact with the efi partition. any ideas how to fix something like that? already updates the bios
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05:45<twb>frzn: you throw grub away and just put the refind files into the ESP
05:46<twb>frzn: wait hang on, is the system in "EFI mode", "BIOS mode" or "horrible frankenstein hybrid" ?
05:46<twb>Linux won't care but Windows doesn't support swapping between the two
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05:48<twb>frzn: if you're in EFI mode, the disk should be "gpt" (not "msdos"), and you should have an ESP (a FAT32 partition with "boot" and "esp" flags set)
05:48<twb>http://ix.io/1aCv
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05:49<twb>Anyway, it's my bedtime
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05:53<frzn>twb: its in efi mode
05:53<twb>frzn: ok. do you have an esp ?
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05:56<frzn>yea but i will double check the boot flags. But i'll have to come back to it in about an hour.
05:56<frzn>thanks for you help :) really appreciate it
05:56<twb>"don't use grub" is always the best way to fix grub
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05:57<twb>syslinux on BIOS, refind on EFI
05:57<frzn>ok :D first time having that kind of problems with it
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05:57<twb>I used to have problems *all the time* because I use grub in multi-disk setups, which is explicitly not supported without third-party wrapper scripts
05:58<twb>having said that, refind can't boot off ZFS and I dunno if it can do verified boot (for remote attestation)
05:59<frzn>mhm but i got no need for zfs atm
05:59<frzn>need to go now :) see ya
05:59<twb>good luck
05:59<frzn>thanks
05:59<twb>feel free to msg me directly tomorrow if yo're still stuck
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06:00<petn-randall>frzn: Just to be sure, it there an option like "CSM" or compat mode in the EFI setup, and is it off?
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06:29<pcods>no sorry
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10:56<RMOTAO>is it possible install Steam via apt-get on Debian?
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11:00<towo`>RMOTAO, sure it is
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11:01<RMOTAO>I have to do anything for that?
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11:04<petn-randall>RMOTAO: You need to enable the non-free repos, enable the i386 architecture if you're running on amd64, then just `apt install steam`.
11:05<RMOTAO>ok
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11:10<RMOTAO>wait... how do I do to enable non-free repos on Debian?
11:10<blast007>edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change 'main' to 'main contrib non-free', then run apt update
11:11<RMOTAO>ok
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11:31<RMOTAO>anyone here use a Debian for non x86 or x86-64 arch?
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11:32<avar>It's better to ask an actual question than trying to conduct a poll
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11:33<RMOTAO>ok
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11:34<RMOTAO>Debian for non x86(or x86-64) version has the same amount of packages as Debian for x86(or x86-64)?
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11:36<arto>RMOTAO: I would bet no one has installed all available debian packages
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11:36<RMOTAO>I know, I know
11:37<RMOTAO>Is there Libre Office for all versions of arch?
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11:38<themill>,archs libreoffice
11:38<judd>Package libreoffice in stretch: amd64 (1:5.2.7-1+deb9u3), arm64 (1:5.2.7-1+deb9u3), armel (1:5.2.7-1+deb9u3), armhf (1:5.2.7-1+deb9u3), i386 (1:5.2.7-1+deb9u3), mips (1:5.2.7-1+deb9u3), mips64el (1:5.2.7-1+deb9u3), mipsel (1:5.2.7-1+deb9u3), ppc64el (1:5.2.7-1+deb9u3), s390x (1:5.2.7-1+deb9u3)
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11:38<themill>(very few packages are not available on every arch)
11:39<arto>RMOTAO: packages.debian.org
11:39<RMOTAO>I see
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11:44<znoteer_>I just got a security update about vlc being upgraded from 2.x to 3.x in stretch, but when I ran apt update/upgrade, nothing happened. Plus, when I look in aptitude, I see no version 3 available for install. How am I supposed to interpret this security announcment?
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11:46<petn-randall>znoteer_: Where did you get this?
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11:46<arto>znoteer_: I have noticed the same on i386, I have vlc installed, but no update available, same thing for a few other packages
11:46<znoteer_>petn-randall debian-security-announce@l.d.o
11:47<themill>DSA 4203-1
11:47<arto>znooter: perhaps local mirror is slower, have to try see tomorrow
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11:47<themill>vlc 3.0.2-0+deb9u1 seems to be on security.debian.org
11:48<znoteer_>themill: I do have security.d.o in my sources.list
11:48<petn-randall>znoteer_: Well, that mail went out 20 minutes ago, maybe give it a moment to build and distribute over the mirror?
11:49<znoteer_>petn-randall: I thought things got built and distributed before the advisories were sent
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11:49<petn-randall>znoteer_: I see the package on security.debian.org.
11:49<znoteer_>let me re-update
11:50<themill>znoteer_: precisely what commands are you using here?
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11:51<znoteer_>themill: sudo apt update
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11:51<znoteer_>also tried hit "u" and "U" in aptitude
11:51<petn-randall>znoteer_: You will need to run apt dist-upgrade since new packages will be installed.
11:51<petn-randall>znoteer_: What does 'apt-cache policy vlc' give you?
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11:54<znoteer_>petn-randall: here's the output of apt-cache policy vlc : https://paste.debian.net/hidden/6732149a
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11:55<themill>ahh... deb-multimedia.org. There is your answer
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11:56<petn-randall>!deb-multimedia
11:56<dpkg>We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>.
11:56<jhutchins_wk>That factoid is not entirely accurate.
11:56<petn-randall>znoteer_: _We're_ providing security updates. The other repo isn't, and is overriding it with a higher version number. You can ask the maintainer of that repo to update the packages.
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11:57<themill>jhutchins_wk: There is no part of it that looks inaccurate to me.
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11:57<znoteer_>jhutchins_wk: what part is not accurate
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11:57<petn-randall>+1
11:57<jhutchins_wk>The statement that the packages are of poor quality and the implication that they cause problems.
11:58<themill>both are true
11:58<petn-randall>Security vulnerabilities do count as problems to me.
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11:58<jhutchins_wk>There were some isolated instances where package versioning caused problems during dist upgrades, but they were resolved years ago.
11:58<themill>not true
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11:58<petn-randall>jhutchins_wk: In this case the epoch is stopping znoteer_ from getting security updates, so ...
11:59<themill>You clearly have not spent hours trying to debug a segfault to find it caused by these poorly maintained and incompatible libraries or crap like this preventing a security update being installed
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11:59<themill>ABI transitions are not correctly handled and they are a mess of incompatible packages that only exist to enable legally dubious code
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12:00<jhutchins_wk>For years they made Debian usable by ordinary people as a desktop environment. They are not as necessary now, but they provided a valuable service when they were needed.
12:01<themill>And that time finished about 10 years ago
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12:01<themill>(and even then it was marginal)
12:01*petn-randall used dmo about 10 years ago.
12:01<jhutchins_wk>and Debian developers are still pissy that it made them look bad.
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12:03<themill>nope, I'm pissy because people still continue saying that it is needed when it is not and continue to say that it doesn't cause problems when it does.
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12:04<themill>That one single repo also held back the multimedia capabilities of debian for years ... and the guy maintaining it could have uploaded any worthwhile packages directly to debian but chose not to
12:05<jhutchins_wk>Mostly Debian wouldn't accept them due to licensing issues.
12:05<themill>not true
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12:06<themill>That was the case for a couple of codecs over a decade ago
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12:07<themill>(and it could have been provided in a way that didn't break applications in Debian, cause users problems or suck so much developer time out of maintaining packages within Debian)
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12:11<znoteer_>I've just read some of the other factoids referred to in the deb-multimedia factoid such as "why not dmm", "dmm pinning" and "dmm remove". So, of the dozens of packages installed via debian-multimedia, alternatives now exist in the standard repos?
12:12<themill>They are probably already in Debian.
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12:13<znoteer_>and how would I know if I've pinned anything in debian multimedia?
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14:29<mandeepb>if there's a package on testing, how can i see what's needed to move it into stretch-backports?
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14:32<retrospectacus>this robot will tell you.
14:32<retrospectacus>judd: checkbackport
14:32<judd>(checkbackport <packagename> [--fromrelease <sid>] [--torelease <stable>] [--arch <amd64>] [--verbose]) -- Check that the build-dependencies listed by a package in the release specified as "fromrelease" are satisfiable for in "torelease" for the given host architecture. By default, a backport from unstable to the current stable release and amd64 are used.
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14:34<retrospectacus>as far as what are the actual build-deps, following the <ssb> instructions will help you find that out.
14:34<retrospectacus>dpkg: ssb
14:34<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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17:06<mandeepb>retrospectacus: thanks
17:06<mandeepb>judd: checkbackport neovim
17:06<judd>Backporting package neovim in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: lua-nvim (>= 0.0.1-26-1~) [!hurd-i386] <!nocheck>.
17:07<mandeepb>ah. i thought it was in testing looks like it's still in sid
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17:09<byra>Is there an option for apt to use onion domains without using the tor+http method from apt-transport-tor? The error message I get is "Direct connection to .onion domains is blocked by default".
17:10<byra>I have transparent Tor filtering and apt-transport-tor pulls another instance of Tor as a dependecy.
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17:21<petn-randall>byra: If you have transparent tor access, just list the onion domain as regular entry in your sources.list
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17:21<petn-randall>"deb http://foobar.onion/debian stretch main contrib non-free"
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17:24<byra>I have Tor running on a seperate machine and the traffic on the debian machine is routed through it, I don't need another Tor client locally. That would cause a Tor over Tor scenario which isn't recommended.
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17:28<byra>I found a solution search the apt source: https://sources.debian.org/src/apt/1.6.1/methods/connect.cc/?hl=74#L74 . Acquire::BlockDotOnion "false"; should work. This setting should probably be documented.
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17:30<petn-randall>byra: That's what I'm saying. Why do you even need anything Tor related on said machine?
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17:32<byra>It throws an error when trying to connect to the .onion. I think because of his new Rfc https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7686
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17:33<zoredache>Is there any way to get apt-get to return a non-zero exit code if there are warnings during a apt-get update? Specifically I sometimes get errors like `W: Size of file /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_... is not what the server reported 622194 649537`
17:34<zoredache>I have a script that is doing some updates and I don't want it to continue if the lists are not all 100% correct.
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17:39<byra>Yeah, new versions of apt won't connect to onion domains beause of RFC7686. (unless it's through apt-transport-tor)
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19:07<Speed2u>just noticed that the motd is not displayed anymore after changing my ssh server to keybased auth only. i noted a line named "printmotd" in my sshd_config file but it seem to have no effect. Google told me that UsePAM must be enabled for this to work, but since i see that as a security-issue, there must be another way of doing this?
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21:42<oo_miguel>can I grant one process and its subprocess x access, without granting it completlety to the user starting it?
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22:16<somiaj>oo_miguel: not completely sure what your goal is, but look at the setuid bit.
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22:18<oo_miguel>I have some binaries that need X access but I prefer to run them as a secondary user, while having X running as my regular user.
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22:54<mdrco>I noticed that Pitivi phones home to an IP for usage statistics/version check when launched in debian. Would that be considered a bug?
22:55<somiaj>oo_miguel: unsure the best way to do that. I wonder if xnset or xserver-xephyr would work, run it in a sandbox enviorment, maybe as another user.
22:55<somiaj>mdrco: this on debian stable or testing/unstable?
22:55<mdrco>debian stretch
22:56<somiaj>I would think something like that should be opt-in by the user and not on by default, but not quite sure on if it would be a bug or not
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22:57<mdrco>It just sends data to an IP owned by pitivi with no prompt or notification after launching.
22:58<somiaj>mdrco: I would ask in #debian-mentors, I think someone there would be able to give you the best answer, though it might only slightly be ontopic
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22:59<somiaj>though you could also just report a bug and let the matainer work it out
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23:07<somiaj>oo_miguel: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/174407/setting-up-nested-x-sessions-with-xephyr-properly-and-securely -- no responses to this, but it looks like with xephyr you could disable access controll and let any user run apps in it, this way you aren letting the user access your main xsession, but only the nested one. Not finding to much more though.
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23:13<alephnull>Sounds like a usecase for wayland, oo_miguel
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23:14<oo_miguel>somiaj: alephnull: ok I will have a lok at both suggested solutiosn
23:14<oo_miguel>solutions
23:14<oo_miguel>thank you very much
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23:35<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>I was finally able to install my VPN. Just had to add the user to /etc/sudoers then install and remove sudo. The VPN now works without OpenVPN. I purged OpenVPN. The VPN selector is still in the dropdown menu on the right hand side though. I am using Gnome. Does anyone have an idea on how to remove it?
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