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---Logopened Fri May 18 00:00:16 2018
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00:01<rob_debian>Hi all. Please, I would like to know how long vlc version 3.0.2 Vetinari is available in the stable repository of Debian Stretch, because this application is working precariously, nothing that can be expected of the good old vlc ever.
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00:04<rob_debian>in fact, now VLC is running so poorly that it has become worthless. Nothing that reminds you of the very efficient and stable VLC ...
00:05<byra>Probably until a new version of VLC comes out. Debian doesn't backport security patches for it.
00:06<byra>It's the full version of the latest release
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00:08<rob_debian>it's really a crap now, that's an unfortunate surprise I had today. Have you already tested it, byra ?
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00:08<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>What were you doing playing a DVD?
00:09<rob_debian>who said you I was playing a DVD ?
00:09<rob_debian>you ?
00:10<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>That is what I plan to do at some point. Hope it works
00:10<rob_debian>byra, Please, what's the previous release of Ventinari 3.0.2 ? I intend to do a downgrade here
00:10<byra>It's working fine for me rob_debian
00:10<rob_debian>really ? so, should I have to make any adjustment before ?
00:11<somiaj>debian stable will not change the version of vlc, as the release is frozen, only security and grave bugs patches are added if needed.
00:11<byra>They made an exception for VLC somiaj: https://www.debian.org/security/2018/dsa-4203
00:12<rob_debian>for, VLC always have been working fine without any additional configuration. But this version is absolutely useless here
00:12<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>VLC has always worked for me when I play audio. Haven't tried any video yet
00:12<somiaj>byra: ahh didn't realize that, yea, debian security sometimes has no choice. They seem to do this now and then.
00:12<rob_debian>several videos here
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00:12<epony>is the full list of dependencies updated / matching the program version?
00:13<epony>codec / video out
00:13<rob_debian>well, so everyone is having fun experience with this new VLC release. But I don't understand why is so bad here
00:13<rob_debian>not clear this situation for me....
00:14<rob_debian>epony, I never used to update full list of dependencies of VLC separately
00:15<rob_debian>always used apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get upgrade, and have been fun with VLC and other apps since then.
00:15<rob_debian>but now, surprised and quite frustrated with this new release....
00:16<rob_debian>should I install any new dependencies manually ?
00:17<rob_debian>for, this new VLC is everything here, less stable and efficient....
00:17<epony>is it choppy video / stuttering?
00:18<rob_debian>yes, epony, exactly like that
00:18<epony>maybe, wild guess, the video out is not accelerated
00:18<rob_debian>stuttering all the time, but not only this...
00:18<rob_debian>you mean, videos I have here ?
00:19<epony>I mean using the video driver that is correct or one that renders slow in the new version
00:19<rob_debian>not sure about it, for acceleration looks the same as previous release, but distortion makes sound horrible
00:19<epony>oh, that looks like an audio issue then
00:19<rob_debian>ok, epony, please, what's your suggestion ?
00:19<rob_debian>yes, I forgot to specify: video is fine, but audio is horrible
00:20<rob_debian>and, video without audio for me, doesn't make sense....
00:20<epony>alright then, maybe check audio settings / volume
00:20<rob_debian>ok, just one moment, please, epony.
00:21<rob_debian>well, what should I do here ?
00:21<epony>maybe check normalize / replay gain, output mode
00:22<epony>volume / start level
00:23<rob_debian>doesn't work volume...increase and decrease volume, the result is the same....
00:24<rob_debian>Stereo mode is dolby surround. Should I switch to other option ?
00:24<rob_debian>fixed, I had to switch to 'mono'...
00:24<epony>try without normalize volume, and replay gain none
00:24<rob_debian>now, volume is fine
00:24<epony>and dolby out
00:25<epony>(auto)
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00:26<rob_debian>it was in 'dolby surround' mode, now it's fine, but I had to switch it to 'mono' option
00:27<rob_debian>in 'Stereo Mode' menu. now it's fine. Well, thanks for help and great support, epony !:)
00:27<epony>ah, welcome
00:29<rob_debian>:)
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00:29<rob_debian>bye, epony, God Bless You and have you a good rest there !
00:29<rob_debian>see you :)
00:29<epony>cya, have fun!
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00:46<annadane>i'm trying to answer a question on reddit about fixes for the kernel update stalling boot, anyone have the explanation? i know roughly what it is but not sure, i think there's a factoid for it
00:48<somiaj>!cve-2018-1108
00:48<dpkg>i guess cve-2018-1108 is a security fix for a lack of randomness at boot. Delays the use of the kernel crng by applications till sufficient randomness is ready. Can cause delays (up to to 4+ minutes) in boot time just before or just after login, esp with LUKS enabled. Short term workarounds: Wiggle mouse/tap keyboard a lot, install rng-tools5 or haveged pkgs, or boot previous kernel
00:48<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>The package to fix it is havaged
00:48<annadane>yeah, that
00:48<annadane>was it already fixed?
00:49<somiaj>annadane: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2018-1108
00:49<annadane>"no"
00:49<annadane>thanks, should've not been lazy and checked myself
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00:50<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Is there any problems with just installing havaged?
00:51<annadane>oh havaged, i thought that was a typo for 'happened'
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00:51<annadane>thus my question, "is it fixed?"
00:51<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Yeah I guess with havaged boots up just fine
00:52<annadane>it mentions havaged in the factoid, yes
00:52<annadane>haveged, that is
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00:59<error>gracias
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02:58<psycose>Hi, with an up to date Debian Wheezy, for unknown reason, the LVM root volume group is now not activated at boot time, and it is mandatory to set "vgchange -ay; exit" during boot time shell. Any tips on how to investigate this issue ?
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03:05<somiaj>psycose: unsure on your actual issue, but figured I'd share that wheezy-lts support ends this month.
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03:05<somiaj>!wheezy-lts
03:05<dpkg>Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts.
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03:08<psycose>somiaj, thanks. I was wondering if it make sense to investigate further even if wheezy-lts is ending...
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03:11<jm_>psycose: try enabling initramfs debugging, see man initramfs-tools
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03:15<psycose>jm_ thanks
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06:36<mcon>TEST: Can someone be so kind to send me a message *on the chat*? I suspect some misconfiguration because I see Join/quit notification, but no actual message. Also a PM would be appreciated... if You see this at all, of course ;)
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07:25<mcon>petn-randall: Can You please confirm from my message [12:36:35] till now [13:21:59] there have been *no* messages on this channel?
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07:32<Zathras>Hi. For some reason the previously loged in user (no longer listed as active user) has still processes mounting /home. Processes include gvfs-* dbus-daemon dconf-service and obexd
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07:32<Zathras>now I cannot umount to lvresize. How can I fix this without(!) a reboot please?
07:35<Zathras>stopping gdm3 did not help. I also see various tracker-* processes
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07:40<jm_>Zathras: tried playing with loginctl?
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07:45<petn-randall>Zathras: You don't need to umount to resize ...
07:45<petn-randall>Zathras: That's the whole point of LVM.
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07:54<Zathras>petn-randall, lvresize demands an umount
07:55<Zathras>in my case I would like to -5GB /home and +5GB /usr
07:56<petn-randall>Zathras: Yes, shrinking the filesystem does need an umount, indeed.
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07:56<Zathras>lvresize --resizefs --size -5GB /dev/mapper/z-home will fail
07:56<petn-randall>Zathras: Well, you should shrink the filesystem first, or you'll loose data.
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07:57<Zathras>yep. But I am not loged in as a user, only as root, still /home is mounted by processes as mentioned above
07:58<petn-randall>Zathras: Then look up the processes, and terminate them.
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07:58<petn-randall>Zathras: I'd probably change to single user mode to play it safe.
07:58<Zathras>petn-randall, I tried to do so, however my previous gnome session seems to keep them alive
07:59<Zathras>which looks weird to me
07:59<petn-randall>Zathras: Why not just reboot then?
08:00<petn-randall>Zathras: Or do it from a live system.
08:00<Zathras>no reboot as dist-upgrade complained about initramfs. I need to fix things first before I reboot
08:01<petn-randall>Zathras: So what happened when you terminated the processes?
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08:03<Zathras>the tracker-miner / tracker-store / tracker-extract processes cannot be killed by kill -9
08:04<Zathras>hmm. now they can
08:05<Zathras>all killed now. nasty business
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08:09<Zathras>seems to work now, so I can continue upgrading the system. Thanks petn-randall
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08:11<petn-randall>Zathras: a plain `kill` should have been enough.
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08:54<gummi>can anybody field a quickie?
08:55<gummi>ok, here's the thing, this could be a learning experience for all
08:58<gummi>I need to upgrade GIMP and Firefox, the latest 'apt-get install firefox' and 'apt-get install gimp' didn't work, is it possible that it is needing some upper case letters or is there a 'string' after gimp-? and firefox? ??
08:59<gummi>wakie wakie, eggz n bakkie, don't ban me, seems to me like a lot of forums are a little behind the times either that or i have been finding the wrong forums
09:00<muep>my guess is that you already have the latest versions that are included in your debian repositories
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09:03<gummi>i have firefox 52 muep. firefox quantum is 60, and the new gimp is supposed to be dark.
09:03<gummi>plus... my 52 firefox is 32 bit
09:04<grove>But those are probably not in the version of Debian you're running
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09:04<gummi>i can go along with that, it was a jessie to stretch upgrade
09:05<gummi>anybody have an idea whut the gimp and firefox package names are for the new ones, maybe you muep or maybe grove?
09:05<grove>My Firefox 52 is 64-bit, so if your firefox is only 32-bit, it's probably because the rest of your system is also 32-bit
09:05<gummi>good point
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09:06<gummi>i thought it was a 64 bit machine, grove
09:06<muep>gummi: the package names of applications do not usually change on new versions
09:06<muep>my impression is that latest firefox in debian stable is currently based on firefox 52 ESR
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09:07<gummi>hey, will 'uname' tell me if i'm 32 bit or 64 bit, this was an old confuser that somebody gave me, and ilike it
09:07<muep>run uname -a
09:07<gummi>ok
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09:08<gummi>Linux debian 4.9.0-6-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.9.82-1+deb9u3 (2018-03-02) i686 GNU/Linux
09:08<muep>yep that's a 32bit debian installation
09:08<gummi>well, i'll be
09:09<gummi>whut tells you that the -pae ?
09:09<muep>that and especially 686
09:09<gummi>i it shold be 64 right?
09:09<gummi>so, on to gimp
09:09<gummi>is the new gimp only for 64 bit boxes?
09:09<muep>not exactly. it would be something like amd64 or x86-64
09:10<muep>I think gimp is just as well for 32-bit systems
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09:10<gummi>ok, well that settles that, i gotta insatiable desire to fiddle with computers :)
09:11<muep>but the new gimp is way newer than current debian stable
09:11<gummi>so, muep... should i try to download and install the new gimp?
09:11<gummi>i can probably figure that out from the forums
09:11<muep>and apart from firefox whose version sometimes changes, applications usually do not change their version much with stable updates
09:12<gummi>unless you can give me a magic incantation -- i'll be back, this is a good channel, and i have a few friends too
09:12<muep>I don't like magic incantations
09:12<gummi>ah
09:13<muep>there may be deb packages of the new gimp available for current stable. or you could get it from flathub if you are ok with a different packaging format
09:13<gummi>well, i already did 'apt-get install gimp' think it's case sensitive?
09:13<grove>No
09:13<muep>it is case sensitive but I don't see any reason for you to worry about the package name
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09:13<muep>it has been named gimp for years
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09:14<grove>It might be case-sensitive, but no (?) debian package have upper-case letters in it's name
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09:15<gummi>him in the last six months i've wrapped my head around repositories, mutt, tmux, recovering a crashed box, hey, NEVER forget to do,'cp /apt/fstab /apt/fstab.bak'!!
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09:15*grove have never heard of /apt before
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09:18<gummi>and there's also 'cat /etc/fstab >> /etc/fstab.x1' if you want to create a log with examples it just keeps getting bigger, the shotgun approach to commenting your stuff
09:18<gummi>oooops
09:18<gummi>that should read /etc/fstab
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09:18<gummi>grove i'm tired, pulled an all nighter
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09:19<gummi>my friend at compute group calls /etc == etsy
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09:35<somiaj>gummi: Debian stable is a mostly frozen system. Package versions do not get changed, and that is normal. There are some exceptions to this due to security issues. Because browsers have lots of security issues, sometime after August, the new firefox-esr version 60 will most likely make it into stretch, but the gimp won't (unless someone provides a backport)
09:36<somiaj>the new gimp hasn't even made it into testing yet, but after that time it might be backported (and this is only a might)
09:36<themill>it looks far from trivial to backport fwiw
09:38<muep>imo, it is a prime example of something where it seems less messy to get it from a flatpak or some other system that does not place requirements on tens of other system packages
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11:32<gummi>you guys remember freshmeat?
11:32<gummi>used to run mklinux
11:33<gummi>and BSD, (Gnu)Linux used freshmeat.org and BSD had, 'fresh ports'
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11:35<gummi>i remember when i switched from windows to mklinux, i went from 8 bit sound to 16 bit sound, i really thought the 8 bit sound wuz normal, having 16 bit was like 'Whoa!!'
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12:04<pgimeno>I've just noticed that there are no CD images in the archive prior to Debian 1.3, and I happen to have a CD image of a Debian version distributed by InfoMagic which claims to be Debian 1.2.0 - any idea about whom to contact in order to clarify is there's any interest in including it?
12:04<jhutchins_wk>Yeah, I used freshmeat a lot. Remember cheapbytes?
12:04<pgimeno>s/clarify is/clarify if/
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12:08<parrot>hi
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12:10<parrot>hey hey hey
12:10<jhutchins_wk>pgimeno: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCd
12:10<parrot>?
12:11<jhutchins_wk>!ask
12:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:12<parrot>i dont have any problems
12:12<pgimeno>jhutchins_wk: thank you!
12:12<parrot>so what is this her ?
12:13<blast007>parrot: this is the support channel for Debian Linux
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12:14<parrot>ah ok i think im wrong her
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13:10<deepaknayan>hi
13:10<deepaknayan>I am using Ubuntu mate 16.04 LTS on my HDD
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13:10<deepaknayan>Currently I am on Debian 9 live session. Whenever i choose to install from boot menu, it shows "no suitable video mode found & booting in blind mode". Any suggestions?
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13:12<petn-randall>deepaknayan: Don't use the live installer, use the firmware installer.
13:12<petn-randall>!firmware installer
13:12<dpkg>Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>.
13:12<petn-randall>deepaknayan: This one ^^^ is the most well tested one. You may debug the issue on the live image and report it if you're eager to do so.
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13:15<deepaknayan>petn-randall: I need to check whether firmware installer option is there on my live boot menu or not
13:15<petn-randall>deepaknayan: It's not. The (firmware) installer is a different image.
13:16<deepaknayan>petn-randall: actually i have formatted my laptop 3 to 4 times today. I installed manjaro gnome, opensuse leap, ubuntu mate. But i got this boot video mode error only in opensuse and debian
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13:17<deepaknayan>petn-randall: is it something related to KDE as I used KDE versions of debian and opensuse
13:17<petn-randall>deepaknayan: It might have to do with the hardware when it's very new. A newer kernel usually helps after installation.
13:17<deepaknayan>petn-randall: that's why i updated opensuse after installing it. Yet the problem was there
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13:18<deepaknayan>petn-randall: however in manjaro gnome, and now in ubuntu mate there is no such issue while booting
13:19<petn-randall>deepaknayan: Ubuntu 18.04 is a lot newer than Debian stretch.
13:19<petn-randall>deepaknayan: The former is a bit over two weeks old.
13:19<deepaknayan>petn-randall: I am using 16.04 LTS
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13:20<petn-randall>deepaknayan: I see. Have you tried removing the 'quiet' option from the grub boot entry? You might get more details that way.
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13:20<deepaknayan>petn-randall: no any booting error in gnome or mate, but in KDE I don't know where does it comes from
13:21<deepaknayan>petn-randall: no, i don't have any idea regarding "quiet"
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13:21<deepaknayan>petn-randall: could you please suggest me how?
13:23<petn-randall>deepaknayan: In the boot menu of grub, select an entry with the cursor keys, then press 'e'. There should be several lines, one of them should contain 'quiet'. Remove that word and press ctrl + x to boot it then.
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13:24<deepaknayan>petn-randall: i will have to check that
13:25<deepaknayan>petn-randall: i will loose this chat after rebooting
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13:28<arto>deepaknayan: print or write by hand
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13:40<traumschule>what could be the reason that alsa-utils is masked after installation? the driver snd_hda_intel is loaded, pulseaudio is started and gnome only shows a dummy device
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13:55<traumschule>/lib/systemd/system/alsa-utils.service is a symlink to /dev/null - does this mean the sound card driver did not load successfully?
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14:10<arto>traumschule: I think pulseaudio does not need alsa, I have xfce, and it installed pulseaudio and pavucontrol as mixer
14:11<somiaj>pulse audio does need alsa, but it may not need alsa-utils. Alsa is the default drivers in the kernel, and doesn't need a service to load (unless you are one of the rare people using oss4)
14:12<somiaj>alsa-utils are just a set of tools for those who don't use pulse to restor volume and mixing levels at boot
14:12<traumschule>i guess it was the missing firmware-realtek, will see after a reboot
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14:12<somiaj>that most likely is not the issue either, that firmware is for network cards
14:12<peter1138>Probably not, that's network cards.
14:12<traumschule>ah :)
14:12<somiaj>the realtek codec is completely different, and no firemware is needed
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14:13<somiaj>traumschule: cat /proc/asound/cards -- if youd on't see any cards there, your kernel is not detecting your hardware, this has little to do with alsa-utils
14:13<somiaj>you could check your kernel, you could check your firmware (make sure your onboard sound card is actually turned on, some firwmare allows you to turn it off)
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14:14<berceanu>how can I install visual studio code in Debian 9?
14:14<traumschule>it shows 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
14:15<traumschule>i also can select it in alsamixer but gnome shows only a dummy device
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14:17<traumschule>when I enable loopback in alsa-utils i hear noise from the speakers but no audio from mplayer or whatever
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14:18<arto>traumschule: there is gnome-alsamixer package
14:19<somiaj>if using pulse, that won't do much
14:19<somiaj>pavucontrol is decent, might be a sound issue. The nvidia chipsets sometimes had problems, and sometimes you need to force the snd_intel_hda driver to load the correct model for your soundcard, because it autodetects badly
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14:36<arto>somiaj: you said pulse need alsa, so what's the difference what mixer is used, gnome-alsamixer or pavucontrol?
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14:37<somiaj>pulse is the current (and now most popular) sound daemon that runs on top of the hardware layer
14:37<somiaj>in essence pulse attaches to the alsa devices in the kernel, and then acts as a sound server to provide you with features alsa dosen't have (like switching sound cards ont he fly, multiple outputs froma signle stream, and so on)
14:37<somiaj>there have been a lot of sound servers in the history of linux, pulse was the one that actually stuck around.
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14:40<traumschule>how can I force snd_hda_intel to select another moder? I cannot unload it because it's in use somehow.
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14:40<arto>good explanation, I think Woody had oss. But still, I don't see any reason why some mixer would be better over other
14:41<somiaj>traumschule: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto -- I don't really know a good link, but basicaly you can edit /etc/modprobe.d/ and configure stuff in there, or modprobe snd-ihda-intel model=MODEL
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14:41<somiaj>arto: oss and alsa (though with dmix that has changed) didn't have software mixing, so if you didn't have a hardware mixing card, you couldn't use two different sound sources at the same time.
14:42<somiaj>arto: also they had limited features, as I said, pulse has a lot of features that alsa dosen't (and won't) include, so a sound server/daemon allows one to talk to that instaed, and it is a layer that gives a bit more flexability.
14:42<arto>somiaj: I remember KDE's arts
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14:43<somiaj>woody I think had alsa, alsa is quite old, oss has always been around, but alsa seemd to slowly become the default. Yea there is esd, jackd, and a hand ful of others. Pulse was the one that stuck around
14:44<arto>somiaj: pulse works fine for me, I just wondered that mixer, but it has no much relevance
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14:50<stripe>hi all, just updated my system, had a vlc update and now the vlc gui is huge (about 8x the size) any ideas on how to reduce it? cheers
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14:50<annadane>on stable?
14:51<stripe>annadane, yes on stretch
14:51<berceanu>is there a recommended way of installing vscode on debian 9
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14:51<annadane>i know you can generally go to tools - preferences - resize interface to video size but i don't know if that helps here
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14:53<stripe>annadane, have tried all the settings in vlc without success
14:53<arto>berceanu: Visual Studio can be programmed in many languages, what did you use?
14:54<berceanu>I am refering to this software: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio_Code
14:56<arto>berceanu: yes, there were listed many languages that can be used in Visual Studio, you can program most of them in linux too
14:56<arto>berceanu: and there was a mention off linux version of Visual Code
14:57<arto>berceanu: but you dont't need Visual Studio to program in debian
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14:58<berceanu>visual studio code is a text editor from microsoft, based on the electron platform
14:59<berceanu>visual studio is an IDE, from the same company
14:59<arto>berceanu: more like editor and compiler, I had to use it while ago
14:59<arto>berceanu:; yepp, exatly
15:00<berceanu>i know there are other options as well, notably vim and emacs
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15:00<berceanu>as well as gedit under gnome for instance
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15:00<arto>berceanu: at that comapany one very experienced programmer used m$ word
15:01<berceanu>sure, anything can be used
15:01<berceanu>even notepad
15:01<arto>berceanu: so it depends what you want to do
15:01<berceanu>i want to have language support for python and c++
15:01<arto>berceanu: both are supported in debian pure
15:01<berceanu>in which editor
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15:02<arto>berceanu: gcc is compiler for c++, python does need compiler, but if you need ide, there is idle
15:02<berceanu>ok but i need code autocompletion
15:03<arto>bercenau: what ever editor you wish to use
15:03<berceanu>go to declaration
15:03<berceanu>etc
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15:03<arto>berceanu: I use only vim, it has tons of plugins, I have used python plugins
15:04<berceanu>yes, i know it has
15:04<berceanu>and you have to configure them for ages
15:04<arto>berceanu: i don't think that's true. Never used idle, but might be while checking
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15:05<arto>!!worth checking...
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15:07<arto>bercenau: plugins are just installed to vim, and then they work
15:09<arto>berceanu: I have to go, but I think debian wiki has info about programmin
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18:10<perla>hi there
18:11<perla>i need some help
18:11<petn-randall>perla: Here too?
18:11<perla>yeah
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18:11<petn-randall>perla: What is it?
18:11<perla>cause it's important to do now
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18:12<somiaj>you don't need to cross post, you were answered on the other channel you asked
18:12<somiaj>oh you left right before I answered.
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18:13<perla>well I accidentally closed hexchat.. and as i didn't get a response i came here
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18:13<petn-randall>perla: You got a response within 3 minutes ...
18:14<petn-randall>!hurry
18:14<dpkg>well, hurry is Please be patient, we're all just fellow users, mostly with other things going on.
18:14<petn-randall>!crosspost
18:14<dpkg>Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
18:14<perla>anyway.. i tried to install firmware-amd-graphics but it doesn't found any package named as it
18:14<somiaj>that is because it is non-free
18:14<perla>petn-randall, ok i got it... sorry man
18:15*petn-randall recommends keeping it on the old channel for context.
18:15<perla>have i to go back there? really?
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