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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-05-20

---Logopened Sun May 20 00:00:19 2018
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05:16<ejr>how can i clone a debian install with dd from a bigger hdd to a smaller one (if at all)? the overall space used by the system is not bigger than that of the smaller hdd, but still with dd the images are always the exact size of the original hdd
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05:25<rudi_s>ejr: You can't with dd.
05:25<rudi_s>You can copy the data, but the filesystem itself requires all the allocated space, so copying the partitions won't work.
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05:26<rudi_s>What you can do is create similar partitions on the new disk, (re)create the filesystems on the new disk, and then copy the data with e.g. rsync -a to the new disc. Then install a boot-loader on the disk (chrooted into the copied system) and it should work just fine.
05:27<rudi_s>(Or get a bigger disk and dd it over - you can enlarge the data partition without any troubles later.)
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05:27<rudi_s>An alternative would be to shrinken the file systems and partitions on the older sytem (in that order!) but that requires booting into a rescue system as you can't shrink filesystems online (= while the system is running).
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05:28<jc>and fix fstab on the new disk.
05:29<ejr>rudi_s: thank you for the answer. that all seems more complicated than just reinstalling some programs and copying my dotfiles + data over in the end
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05:29<rudi_s>ejr: That depends how complex your current setup is and how much experience you have doing that. But yeah, you can always reinstall and just copy your data.
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05:31<ejr>i will do that, probably with the get-selections option of dpkg i think. though i remember once having read that there is a better option than that? (or that this is the better option, not sure)
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05:32<rudi_s>ejr: get-/set-selections sounds good if you want to get the same packages.
05:33<rudi_s>(I think that will lose the "mark-auto-installed" information though, not sure what's the best way to preserve that.)
05:33<ejr>alright, thank you!
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06:39<charlie>hi
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06:56<HumanG33k>Hello, i want to know if there is a way to : when a package is update or an update is available automaticly apt-get source & build-dep, patch and build install the new package ?
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07:00<abrotman>you mean besides writing your own script?
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07:04<HumanG33k>i want more to know if there is a way to trigger my script
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11:40<Wannapolkallama>I'm kinda new to using linux and seem to have found myself in a weird pickle. Apt-get can't remove, install, update, or really access any files on my system. It happened after I was attempting to mount a NAS drive to my local filesystem. After a reboot my GUI stopped working and All my files are read only even with root access
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11:40<Wannapolkallama>does anybody have an idea of what's going on?
11:40<somiaj>you need to better explain can't, because apt-get is totally a tool that can do that.
11:40<somiaj>maybe paste some errors, or better yet follow these instructions.
11:40<somiaj>!bat
11:40<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
11:41<Wannapolkallama>Okay I'll get to that and post them in a bit
11:41<somiaj>(oh missed the read only part) -- check mount, is your file system mounted read-only, and if so check 'dmesg' to see any errors and may try to figure out why
11:42<somiaj>if it is a read-only file system, and not just getting errors from apt, lets avoid the first thing, and try to figure out why your file system is mounted read-only.
11:42<Brigo>Wannapolkallama, usually a problem in a fileystem (most likely root file system)
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11:45<Wannapolkallama>#/dev/sda1 / ext 4 roo,relatime,data=ordered 00
11:45<Wannapolkallama>*ro (not roo)
11:45<Wannapolkallama>so it looks like it's mounted as read only
11:46<Brigo>root, i as guessed. I think you need to run fsck manually before mounting it for solving the problem
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11:47<Brigo>i think booting in rescue mode should suffice.
11:47<Brigo>and running fsck, of course :)
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11:47<somiaj>and checking dmesg could help, any errors should be reported there.
11:48<Wannapolkallama>is there a way to scroll through dmesg. I ran it but could only see the last little bit. (sorry if thats an ignorant question)
11:48<Wannapolkallama>I'll try the fsck in rescue mode as well
11:49<somiaj>Wannapolkallama: dmesg | less
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11:52<Wannapolkallama>thanks somiaj
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11:53<Wannapolkallama>also how long should I expect fsck to take on a fairly empty 50 GB linux partition? is there a simple answer or a "It really depends" answer? :)
11:59<somiaj>it really depends on how messed up the file system is
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12:02<Wannapolkallama>Just to make sure i'm not missing commands. Do I just need to run fsck by it self or do I need any flags. I ran it with -V just to makesure i knew what it was doing and I fed back a "checking file systems" and that's it. Will it feed back a "All good in the hood" or something after it finishes?
12:04<Wannapolkallama>Also. Since I mounted the network drive into my local system wil fsck try to scan it as well?
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12:25<jc>or you can do: dmesg > dmesg.txt if you want to save it to a text file.
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12:29<rajulocal>You can restrict the output of dmesg to a given level. For example
12:29<rajulocal>dmesg --level=err,warn
12:29<rajulocal>will print error and warning messages only. For all supported facilities see the --help output.
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14:01<vikaS>упс
14:01<vikaS>живые есть
14:02<somiaj>!ru
14:02<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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14:27<Wannapolkallama>picking back up on my dmesg errors from about 2 hours ago. (sorry for the delay) I ran fsck in recovery mode and it said my dev/sda1 was clean. I then booted back into normal mode and got these three dmsg errors
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14:28<Wannapolkallama>now 5 after rechecking
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14:28<Wannapolkallama>spectre V2 :Spectre Mitigation: LFENCE not serializing, switching to generic retpolne
14:28<Wannapolkallama>piix4_smbus : SMBus Host Controller not enabled!
14:29<Wannapolkallama>sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through
14:29<somiaj>Wannapolkallama: maybe paste the whole outupt of dmesg at paste.debian.net
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14:30<somiaj>so far, none of those seem related to your actual issue
14:30<Wannapolkallama>would I paste it by piping the output somehow?
14:30<somiaj>!pastebinit
14:30<dpkg>A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
14:30<somiaj>one way, or you could dmesg > file.txt then upload the file
14:31<somiaj>Wannapolkallama: so let me recap make sure I'm recalling correct. Your file system is configured read-only, you have ran fsck, it passed/fixed any errors, yet it still loads in read-only. Is your root file system on a local disk or on your NAS (remote file system)?
14:32<Wannapolkallama>The linux system is a virtual machine being run via vmware. But it should consider the system as a local disk.
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14:33<Wannapolkallama>the error occured after mounting a NAS device so that i can use it with syncthing.
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14:33<somiaj>okay, I just recall you said something about NAS, so I was double checking that your root fs was fine.
14:34<somiaj>anywas the full output of dmesg, maybe the full output of mount and your /etc/fstab could possibly help someone identify what is going on
14:34<somiaj>use paste.debian.net (or another pastebin that doens't have adds)
14:34<Wannapolkallama>also I can't run aptitude to get pastebinit because my system says the command is not found. (I don't believe i ever installed the package) and I can't get aptitude because apt-get is broken too
14:34<somiaj>hmm, one second
14:35<somiaj>overlooked you don't have write access
14:35<somiaj>do you have netcat installed?
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14:37<Wannapolkallama>no
14:37<somiaj>is there anyway you can mount a writeable file system, I think tmpfs can work.
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14:38<somiaj>check mount, I think /run is setup as tmpfs, and you could say dmesg > /run/file.txt
14:38<izaya>let's play ...
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14:38<somiaj>this is not a place to play, but a debian support channel izaya. Do you have a debian support question?
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14:40<Wannapolkallama>i do believe that worked
14:40<Wannapolkallama>I now have a dmsg.txt in /run
14:40<Wannapolkallama>let me cat it quick to check
14:40<somiaj>you should now be able to upload that to paste.debian.net
14:40<Wannapolkallama>yeah that worked
14:41<Wannapolkallama>what command to upload?
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14:43<somiaj>Wannapolkallama: since you can't install patebinit, you'll have to upload it to paste.debian.net using the web interface, do you have a browser installed?
14:43<Wannapolkallama>I have mozilla but i've never used it without a GUI
14:44<somiaj>your vm dones't have a gui but it has mozilla installed?
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14:44<Wannapolkallama>Don't know if that matters but my GUI went away at the same time.
14:44<somiaj>maybe it fails due to the read-only file system.
14:44<Wannapolkallama>It was in my orinigal question but probably got overlooked due to the other stuff :)
14:44<Wannapolkallama>I think that's probably right.
14:45<Wannapolkallama>This all started trying to fix the gui but it says that the services are running as they should but Maybe because it can't write it also can't access the things it needs to for gui interface
14:45<somiaj>yea this is a pain, I don't know enough without putting a new tool on your system.
14:45<somiaj>anyways, looks like wget has a --method=PUT option, but not sure the best way to use this to get something to paste.debian.net
14:46<Wannapolkallama>I haven't put a ton of effort into the system yet so would reinstalling be the best option? I mean i'd have to redo some stuff but it would only be a few hours of rework.
14:46<somiaj>up to you, sometimes that is an easy approach, debian doesn't take too long to install.
14:47<somiaj>I'm stuborn and like to figure out why things break and fix them, but depending on the time you want to spend with this, you could have completed a reinstall since you first came here, your call.
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14:48<Wannapolkallama>I'm in the same boat. I want to understand it and make it work. Clean installing seems like a cop out :) haha. I'll look into time and energy that I'm willing to put into this and come at it again a little later.
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14:48<Brigo>Wannapolkallama, you can paste with termbin
14:48<Brigo>!termbin
14:48<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, termbin is you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999
14:49<somiaj>Brigo: they don't have netcat installed, I was hoping that would work.
14:50<Brigo>how is that possible???
14:50<Wannapolkallama>not sure but dpkg says that it's not there
14:50<Brigo>that brokend is the system?
14:51<Wannapolkallama>might just be
14:51<somiaj>hmm, I guess netcat-traditional is standard, but not all select the standard task like they should.
14:51<Brigo>what is pan connecting to? udev?
14:51<somiaj>Wannapolkallama: package name is actually netcat-traditional, so dpkg -l | grep netcat returns nothing?
14:51<Wannapolkallama>maybe it's actually working though
14:51<Wannapolkallama>that would explain it.
14:52<Wannapolkallama>I must've checked for the wrong pkg
14:52<Wannapolkallama>I just sent it to termbin and it worked
14:52<Brigo>XD
14:52<Wannapolkallama>should i just give the termbin url? or copy it to the debian site
14:52<Wannapolkallama>?
14:53<somiaj>just share the url here
14:53<Wannapolkallama>http://termbin.com/2uxf
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14:54<somiaj>hmm, I don't see anything in there that is obvioully putting your file system in readonly mode. Can you share the output of mount and /etc/fstab
14:55<Brigo>Wannapolkallama, do you have a flopy driver?
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14:56<Wannapolkallama>I know that the vmware supuports it but i don't have any physical floppy drive connected to the hardware that vm is using
14:56<Wannapolkallama>mount info is http://termbin.com/ua2w
14:56<Brigo>Wannapolkallama, interesting
14:57<Brigo>Wannapolkallama, have you shared the output of syslog already?
14:57<Wannapolkallama>not yet
14:58<somiaj>Wannapolkallama: what about the contents of /etc/fstab (wonder how to get systemd to output its mount units)
14:58<Wannapolkallama>that's what I'm working on now.
14:58<Wannapolkallama>is fstab a file? it's not letting me cat it. do i need to output it a different way?
14:58<somiaj>because outside that your filesystem is mounted read-only, I'm not seeing what is causing this
14:59<somiaj>Wannapolkallama: it should be a file, /etc/fstab, though systemd does have its own .mount units. Though I thought fstab was still used for the default file system info
15:01<Wannapolkallama>i'm trying to cat it or sent it to termbin but i'm not getting any response. I just drops to the next line with no output
15:01<Brigo>have you tryed just mount -o rw,remount / ?
15:01<Brigo>maybe it is just empty.
15:01<Brigo>mabye the filesystem is really failing
15:01<somiaj>Wannapolkallama: check the file without pipping it to nc
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15:02<somiaj>Brigo: it is a vm, could it be the vm file has been put in a read only state?
15:02<Brigo>we could check that in the syslog with a bit of luck
15:02<Brigo>somiaj, i can't tell
15:02<Wannapolkallama>wow. I just tried the mount command and it brought my gui back :)
15:02<Wannapolkallama>haha
15:02<Wannapolkallama>so I think that is a positive
15:03<Wannapolkallama>mount -o rw, remount /
15:03<Brigo>is the filesystem is damaged maybe is not that good.
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15:03<somiaj>yea, we weren't seeing anything wrong, but for some reason your system is not setup to mount / as read-write.
15:03<Brigo>if*
15:03<somiaj>Brigo: fsck didn't find any errors, we ahve already ran that a few times.
15:03<Brigo>ah, ok then there you go :D
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15:03<Wannapolkallama>so do i need to manual set it up to mount as rw?
15:03<Wannapolkallama>or will it do that from now on?
15:04<somiaj>and with an empty fstab, wonder what .mount unit is mounting /, or if it is mounting ro due to lacking a valid fstab entry.
15:04<luisfcc86>hi guys, a little question here: how to set dns server on debian globally without editing /etc/resolv.conf?
15:04<somiaj>luisfcc86: well since that is what is used to determine the dns, I don't see away around it. Why don't you want to edit that file?
15:05<luisfcc86>somiaj: just curiosity
15:05<Brigo>Wannapolkallama, just reboot and we will see.
15:05<somiaj>luisfcc86: there are tools like resolvconf and openresolv that can help manage the /etc/resolv.conf file
15:05<Brigo>i have to go , sorry and good luck. Be back in some time.
15:06<luisfcc86>somiaj: thanks, i'll check those tools
15:07<Wannapolkallama>thanks
15:07<Wannapolkallama>it's mounting ro after reboots so I need to find and fix the file causing that...
15:07<Wannapolkallama>I have to go for now but thanks a ton for all the help
15:07<Wannapolkallama>I'll be back later to fix this little problem :) haha
15:07<somiaj>Wannapolkallama: I have one last idea
15:08<luisfcc86>thanks, guys, i should go now
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15:08<somiaj>Wannapolkallama: first remount as read-write, then edit your /etc/fstab file and add one line that looks like this: UUID=<put UUID here> / ext4 defaults 1 1
15:09<somiaj>Wannapolkallama: to get the UUID of your file system run blkid
15:09<Wannapolkallama>i'll copy that a save it for when I have some time later :)
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15:22<adam8>please see apocalypse, "in the matrix" with not just proof, but purpose http://fromthemachine.org/CLEARYBLVD.html
15:22<adam8>im available to answer any questions you might have.
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15:23<somiaj>adam8: this is not the apporpiate place to advertise.
15:24<adam8>its not an addvertisement it's a disaster alert
15:24<adam8>like the sky is going to fall on your head if you dont do omething other than say "stop spamming"
15:24<adam8>literally.
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15:47<microbe>Hi there
15:49<microbe>I'm stuck with a dead/corrupted laptop that needs a fresh install. I need a very light Debian disto, because i dont have high-speed nor unlimited bandwidth internet access
15:49<petn-randall>microbe: Why not take Debian?
15:50<microbe>Should i ? Is there a 700Mo image disk that is desktop oriented ?
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15:51<petn-randall>microbe: You can have a minimal installation that is maybe ~150 MB, and then pick a desktop environment of your choice on top of it.
15:51<amacater>First CD disk
15:52<petn-randall>The network installer already comes with enough for a minimal system, and it'll just download the rest from the internet.
15:53<microbe>Okay, i'm going to check my remaining bandwith
15:53<amacater>Do an expert install - install the absolute minimum unselecting the desktiop. Then it's only about 200 packages. Once it's set up, use tasksel to install a desktop - Gnome and KDE both fiarly heavyweight on older hardware
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15:56<microbe>What about debian-9.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso listed in here https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/
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15:56<amacater>Yes, that should install you xfce. If you use a netinstall to install the minimum you can choose from two or three lightweight desktops
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15:58<microbe>I prefer to take the full iso, so if the install fails i dont loose my bandwidth for nothing :)
15:58<jhutchins>microbe: There's always this: https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/
15:58<microbe>I need it now ^^
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15:58<adam5>i need an epic expert. how do i see away messages?
15:59<amacater>If you save the .iso, remember that on i386 and amd64, you can install it to a USB stick and boot directly from it
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15:59<microbe>Yep
16:00<microbe>The laptop for wich i need this is actually corrupted
16:00<amacater>If you can, use wired connection - Ethernet - to install because wifi will probably need firmware
16:00<microbe>I dont have wired connection, i'm using my smartphone in tethering
16:00<somiaj>petn-randall: I think your size of a minimial installation is a bit dated...150MB seems low, the installer is about 250MB-300MB, and about 500MB (maybe more) extracted.
16:01<petn-randall>somiaj: Maybe, it's been a while since I did my last minimal install.
16:01<petn-randall>somiaj: Maybe I'm thinking of docker images, because they threw out a few things (like a MTA) making it smaller.
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16:03<amacater>Netinst is 291M to download
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16:04<jc>i'd get the netinstall iso, deselect everything on the installer's "tasksel" page. then later for a desktop: apt install xorg slim mate-core. or whatever.
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16:07<microbe>My soda addicted girlfriend spilled soda on my laptop, that ruined my laptop's embeded PCI card-reader. the computer was still working fine until today, it refuses to boot and displays an error message saying that it cant load the firmware blahblahblah and that my card-reader never left the busy state. Do you think it's fixable ?
16:08<amacater>How old / how valuable? Potentially, if you have any data on there, take the disk out, place it in a USB caddy and pull the data from it first?
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16:09<microbe>I'm still able to get into recovery mode
16:09<microbe>i'm now backing it up in command line
16:09<amacater>It might be best to contact your friendly neighbourhood laptop repairman
16:10<microbe>Anyway to disable embeded PCI devices ?
16:11<amacater>Remove the modules on install?
16:11<microbe>How ?
16:13<amacater>If you're in in rescue mode, you might be able to disable the modules loaded that detect the PCI device
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16:25<microbe>amacater i already tried that way, but i wasnt able to found a working solution. All changes where reseted on reboot
16:25<microbe>solutions that i found seems to be now deprecated
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16:26<microbe>Currently i burned the iso disk, and i'm still waiting for my backup to finish before i process to the fresh install
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16:42<lhvf>@lhvf[m] (lhvf-M) - became mute or was banned?
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16:44<berceanu>where can i paste a file?
16:45<berceanu>wikisend.com?
16:45<dboles>https://paste.debian.net/
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16:52<berceanu>tnx dboles
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17:22<microbe>Installing now..
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17:33<lhvf>ADMIN #debian
17:35<lhvf>I'm trying to identify the Administrator of this Chat Room. What's the command to make this? I'm a newbie here..
17:35<lhvf>Or the Admnistrators on (IRC).
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17:36<annadane>lhvf, how come?
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17:37<annadane>there may be a command for it, i'm not certain what it is
17:37<annadane>there's a command to invoke the ops, but it's not to be abused
17:38<lhvf>@annade : Because the user " pet-nrandall" or probably some Administrator here have been mute me, since almost the end of last month. How to undo this, please?
17:39<lhvf>user "@lhvf[m]" can't send any message that can be saw by the other user (like me on https://webchat.oftc.net/).
17:39<annadane>oh, i'm not certain how to appeal mutes
17:40<lhvf>Can this be verified? How to know users configurations on the Chat Group?
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17:42<lhvf>ops
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17:46<lhvf>I don't understand how to use IRC commands. There is a Wiki for it (applied to OFTC.net Network, where #debian Official Debian Support Chat Room is included)?
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17:51<lhvf>Can someone undo then the 'mute' command for this user: "lhvf[m]"? Or it is too difficult to be done? I think that I've identified this to be occuring. I don't know how to discover this info.
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17:56<lhvf>@annadane , could you help on my case (undo the mute "lhvf[m]")? Or help me how to view user stats?
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17:58<annadane>i'm sorry, i don't know, you might try asking petn-randall himself
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18:01<lhvf>He is an Admin at this Chat Room? If I was, was because "I was quoting on the Chat Room", a justicated reason (probably) to be banned?
18:01*abrotman looks
18:03<lhvf>@annadane, I mean the "petn-randall" being probably an Administrator here. He is one?
18:03<annadane>yes
18:03<annadane>i actually don't know how to get the admin list but the general best thing is to contact the one who banned you
18:05<annadane>i mean i do know how to get the list but it's a command that shouldn't be used for that
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18:06<mentor>Which package is the grub efi image in?
18:06<abrotman>well, I tried to PM him ... oh well
18:07<lhvf>I cannot undo this action, then. I will try to contact he, this manner.
18:07<lhvf>He yet, on human relationships, should have a "justied reason" for ban / mute, newbies, using Riot, like me (an out of IRC standard Client that cuts out of IRC limit, an another strange things
18:07<abrotman>lhvf: He was justified, based on what I saw.
18:07<lhvf>* justified , (typo error)
18:07<abrotman>you're clearly evading the ban anyway, so, there is that
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18:12<lhvf>@abroatman I cannot be "unbanned"? I promise, since not I'm seeing the url address for the rules in any place (this is the reason why, then, that I'm not aware of all them), that I will respect all the Regulations for an IRC, that I'm even don't know how to use properly.
18:17<lhvf>I cannot even, when I was chatting last time, get the desired support, because I don't know how to write very well my words in English (the moderators or staffs identified it in the last time, before the mute).
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18:21<lhvf>I tried #debian-br, and there the people attended me very well, and they don't bothered with "the quotings".
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18:23<somiaj>you have been heard, and this is off topic. No need to drag this out, and you can talk with the op who mutted you when they are avaialble. But here is not the best place for that.
18:23<somiaj>If you have a debian support question, feel free to ask, otherwise just lurk like most of us.
18:24<mentor>How do I install grub onto an EFI system?
18:25<somiaj>mentor: grub-efi is the package, you need to be booted as efi, and then it should nicely install grub in the efi partition.
18:25<abrotman>I did try to PM the fellow, no response
18:26<mentor>On package installation, or do I need to update-grub?
18:26<lhvf>And, I yet guess, that I was mute by the "petn-randall". How to identify this 'mute' properly (with a command)? I see he today active, I will try to contact him, next time that I see he online, via PM.
18:26<abrotman>lhvf: Please drop it, wait for petn
18:27<somiaj>mentor: update-gub only updates the current grub menus, you would want grub-install and I think you have to run that after you install the package.
18:28<mentor>I don't think grub-install is used for EFI systems
18:30<lhvf>I will repeat (the mute questions words), then (it will be stored on the Mobile Client App), as I'm already synched with this Chat Room on my another user nickname.
18:33<somiaj>lhvf: You have been asked by multiple people to drop this. Please do or you will get another mute.
18:33<somiaj>mentor: it is, it actually copies the grub info into the efi partition.
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18:35<jhutchins>lhvf: One of the reasons for muting someone rather than out-right banning them is to allow them to observe the channel and how it works.
18:35<somiaj>mentor: the difference is it puts the info in an efi partition as opposed to coppying it to mbr of a disk (or partition)
18:36<jhutchins>!uefi
18:36<dpkg>Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. http://www.uefi.org/
18:36<jhutchins>mentor: I think there's a section of the install guide that covers EFI installation.
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18:59<mentor>Yes, should have just checked the man page rather than simply accepting the whispers on wiki pages.
19:00<mentor>The .efi image is built and install time, and seems to include configuration data directly.
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19:09<tangoV>nothing here????
19:10<tangoV>XD
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