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00:49<twb>Debian's ramdisks are still old pre-systemd-borg. Debian Live, at least, uses nfsmount(8klibc-utils) for NFS rootfs, which means it can only do NFSv3, not unkerberized NFSv4.2
00:49<twb>Has anyone solved this problem already?
00:51<twb>boot=nfs (no Debian Live) also uses nfsmount, see /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/nfs
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00:56<cruvolo>hi, all. i'm working on a stretch install, and it looks like network-manager is unable to configure the device due to polkit not granting access. "nmcli general permissions" shows most permissions as "no". How do I install sane defaults for polkit? Thanks.
00:58<somiaj>are you in the netdev group?
00:58<cruvolo>yes
00:58<somiaj>type groups to double check
00:58<somiaj>hmm, not sure then.
00:58<cruvolo>and plugdev
00:59<somiaj>polkit should have sane permeisions by default, but I don't know the details well enough to understand what the issue could be here
00:59<cruvolo>i seem to be missing those sane defaults
00:59<cruvolo>not sure why
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01:00<somiaj>yea, unsure, I haven't heard of people having this problem. Is this a fresh install? did you do anything to it?
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01:00<cruvolo>its a fresh install. removed systemd and am using sysvinit.
01:00<somiaj>did you install systemd-shim?
01:01<twb>I tried mount.util-linux inside the ramdisk and it gives a generic error; I think I have to bundle mount.nfs (from nfs-utils, not klibc-utils) into the ramdisk as well
01:01<cruvolo>yes
01:01<somiaj>that could be your issue right there, something with systemd, since it is integrated to this.
01:01<somiaj>but I don't have experience running debian with sysv as the init system, and still working with systemd.
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01:01<cruvolo>polkit is supposed to work without systemd
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01:02<cruvolo>somiaj: would you do me a favor and show me your output for "sudo find /etc/polkit-1 -type f"
01:02<somiaj>I think you mean without systemd as the init system. And yes, systemd-shim I thought was supose to help with this.
01:02<cruvolo>?
01:02<cruvolo>right, without system
01:02<cruvolo>right, without systemd
01:03<somiaj>I don't think that is without systemd, systemd is still on your system. But anyways, I have three files there
01:03<twb>systemd-shim lets you run sysvinit as init, while still having fancy-pants GUI crap still work
01:04<cruvolo>somiaj: no, i uninstalled systemd
01:04<somiaj>I some how think polkit is linked into this, but not sure.
01:04<somiaj>cruvolo: do you have systemd-shim on your system?
01:04<cruvolo>somiaj: yes
01:04<somiaj>then you have pieces of systemd.
01:04<cruvolo>.. ok
01:05<somiaj>you are not using systemd as your init system, but that is not the same as removing systemd from your system.
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01:05<somiaj>checking some things, one second
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01:06<cruvolo>somiaj: thanks for checking. and yes, 3 files here for polkit as well. hmm
01:07<twb>polkit has three kinds of accounts
01:07<twb>"active user", "inactive user", and "everybody"
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01:08<twb>to detect "activeness", it needs *EITHER* consolekit, or for the login process to pass through libpam-systemd.so *AND* for logind to be running, which means systemd must be installed and dbus must be installed.
01:08<twb>You can check if you have any "sessions" using loginctl for systemd-logind; not sure abuot consolekit.
01:09<somiaj>cruvolo: I'm unsure on the details, maybe someone more familar with using sysvinit as the init system, while still having systemd-shim/logind/polkit integration can help. But I would double check logind is functioning first, it could be polkit is working fine, but logind is the culprit.
01:09<cruvolo>twb: this is informative, thanks.
01:09<twb>polkit will *run* without any of this, but it probably cannot detect accounts
01:09<cruvolo>twb: consolekit is installed. but perhaps not configured.
01:10<cruvolo>somiaj: logind is not present.
01:10<twb>I have NO IDEAE how consolekit is supposed to do this, because I never supported any of this until systemd-logind had borged this functionality
01:12<cruvolo>ck-list-sessions does show a valid local session
01:13<somiaj>cruvolo: I'm just trying to wade through how this all works, found this on a bug report from a debian dev, "As long as you have a logind session registred, everything should work
01:13<somiaj>the same.
01:13<somiaj>and systemd-shim is supose to provide the stuff needed for this.
01:13<cruvolo>console-kit-daemon is running
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01:18<somiaj>yea, I'm not finding any information that I can make sense of.
01:18<cruvolo>yeah this is kind of off in the weeds..
01:19<somiaj>but there is something not loading correctly with your sysvinit setup allowing integration with polkit/logind type functionality.
01:19<somiaj>maybe try wicd?
01:20<somiaj>not a solution, but might get you a working system.
01:21<cruvolo>i'm thinking it might be related to a lack of libpam-systemd
01:22<cruvolo>going to try installing that.
01:23<cruvolo>reboot, brb
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01:27<cruvolo>somiaj: twb: that did it
01:27<cruvolo>okay so I can't remove systemd entirely then.
01:27<somiaj>correct, you can only use sysvinit as the init system
01:27<cruvolo>it needs the fragments there, even though /sbin/init is sysvinit
01:27<somiaj>well systemd is more than an initsystem
01:27<cruvolo>yeah its a fucking monster
01:28<cruvolo>lol
01:28<somiaj>and udev/dbus/polkit and most desktops are inteagraded into using all of its features
01:28<cruvolo>thanks, this was very helpful.
01:28<twb>cruvolo: what was the fix? I stopped listening
01:28<somiaj>so you need some way to keep the other functionality if you want it.
01:28<somiaj>twb: missing libpam-systemd package
01:28<cruvolo>libpam-systemd
01:29<twb>Oh wait wait wait - do you just want wifi to work?
01:29<twb>You don't need any of this crap
01:29<cruvolo>somiaj: yeah, I thought consolekit would be sufficient
01:29<cruvolo>twb: ?
01:29<twb>http://cyber.com.au/~twb/snarf/wifi.txt
01:29<somiaj>cruvolo: not if you want to use the standard gnome/kde or its tools
01:29<somiaj>cruvolo: there are other tools out there to configure the network
01:29<twb>wicd is only useful if you need to add and remove wifi APs very often
01:29<cruvolo>ah ok
01:29<twb>If you don't, just run wpa_supplicant alone
01:30<somiaj>I personaly use wpa_supplicant in roam moad
01:30<cruvolo>yeah, there's other stuff that wasn't working either
01:30<twb>wifi.txt explains how to do it on a pre-systemd system
01:30<somiaj>twb: juse use wpagui, it can easily add/remove ap's
01:30<cruvolo>power management, etc
01:30<twb>I haven't gotten around to updating it :-)
01:30<twb>somiaj: pfft that would require a GUI
01:30<somiaj>or just read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicaint/ (some readme in there)
01:30<somiaj>okay wpacli
01:30<twb>somiaj: wifi.txt is "the bits you want" out of /usr/share/doc/wpa-supplicant/ :-)
01:30<somiaj>once it is roam moad, fairly easy to add/remove ap's
01:31<twb>IME it's still a pain
01:31<twb>you have to scan, wait, scan_results, edit text file, restart wpasupplicant
01:31<somiaj>I guess, I don't do it that often.
01:31<somiaj>what, you don't have to edit no text file or restart wpasupplicant
01:31<twb>normals are more like "click click herp password"
01:32<somiaj>if in roam mode, you can do this with wpacli
01:32<twb>somiaj: oh well I guess if you do it via wpa_cli and can remember how to do it
01:32<twb>I can never remember
01:32<somiaj>you can also configure it to automatically connect to the best open network if needed.
01:32<somiaj>I just use wpagui, but that is because it is small/light weight, and I'm in a graphical enviorment
01:32<twb>somiaj: that's not A Thing in australia :-)
01:32<twb>unless you mean captive portal crap
01:33<twb>I think I tried wpa gui back before wicd existed and it annoyed me enough I gave up on it
01:33<somiaj>though I only use about 3 networks, and it easy to switch beween with the gui tool after I unspsend mylaptop
01:33<twb>somiaj: the switching should be automatic in wpa_roam mode?
01:33<somiaj>though that is because I'm to lazy to figure out why it dosen't just auto connect to them like it use to, think I missconfigured something
01:33<twb>it definitely is for me
01:33<twb>I just move the laptop and it changes which net it uses automatically
01:34<somiaj>I think my wifi is flaky, sometimes I have to ifdown --force wlan0, then ifup wlan0 to get it working again
01:34<somiaj>so it helps to tell wpasupplicant what to do.
01:34<twb>oh yeah I do that if I use VNC because it overloads the crappy firmware or something
01:35<somiaj>but yea it should be auto, something happened, it stopped being auto (plus I'm on a network that requires a personal pass and it chanages every 3 months) and over time I just found it easier to manually select the network than figure out why it isn't auto connecting
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01:36<twb>somiaj: WPA2-Enterprise EAP-TTLS ?
01:37<twb>somiaj: you can just type the private key's decrypt password into wpa_supplicant.conf
01:37<somiaj>it is called eduroam, it uses some set of certs and then authenticates against my university account.
01:37<somiaj>yea, but then 3 months goes by and I have to change it, and I'm to lazy to do that.
01:37<twb>Sounds like the cert itself expires
01:38<twb>You SHOULD be able to reuse the same private key you used to use
01:38<somiaj>they have this stupid policy that we have to change our passwords every 3 months.
01:38<somiaj>no the cert is good, but I have to also authenticate myself with a password
01:38<twb>But they probably generate the private key on THEIR host, then give it to you, completely ruining the security model
01:38<somiaj>and that changes every 3 months.
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01:38<twb>somiaj: oh, that's ... odd
01:39<twb>somiaj: so your "something you have", it's an unencrypted cert and private key, with no expiry?
01:39<somiaj>its the only way I can be on their wifi network and not be locked down.
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01:39<somiaj>https://www.incommon.org/eduroam/faq.html
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01:44<twb>Which .edu is this anyway?
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01:45<twb>U-Beaut Bible College to the Stars? Harvard-Negila?
01:46<twb>somiaj: based on that page they're using EAP-TTLS for the outer layer at least. If that's where the password prompt is coming from, you can just decrypt the private key in advance, and never type the password again
01:46<twb>But it looks like they're doing EAP-TTLS and *THEN* CHAP.
01:47<twb>no no, I misread that, it's them saying "don't use CHAP"
01:48<somiaj>yea, I have to password auth, and that password gets changed every 3 months, and soon it will be setup with two factor.
01:48<twb>somiaj: it's important to note that EAP-TTLS does not authenticate the AP *AT ALL*, so the laptop has no way to know that it is not MITMd
01:49<twb>So if you want to get rid of this, set up a rogue AP in the library and make it do traffic analysis
01:49<rob_debian>hi all, please, I read in the beginning of 'debian-reference' debian administration guide that piece softwares of debian com from FreeBSD, OpenBSD, BSD and others... I'd like to know which parts from these systems are integrated to Debian Distribution
01:49<twb>(You won't be able to TRIVIALLY dsniff passwords, but you can still do things like "looks like Alice and Jenny are in a relationship again"
01:50<somiaj>twb: the faq seems to address that, but don't know security that well, I just know that is what I have to use when on my laptop, which I don't use for much.
01:51<somiaj>rob_debian: unsure on how to get a full list, but many utitilties come from the BSD world. the manpages, or source code usually contain this info.
01:52<somiaj>for example, man ping, it comes from 4.3BSD, though it has changed. IN general lots of the networking tools came from BSD in some way
01:53<somiaj>twb: this is their answer to mitm: "Certificate Authority certificates must be stored in users' local certificate stores. This allows the user's supplicant to verify the authenticity of the certificate communicated to the supplicant at association/authentication time.", but then says it only helps mitigate the risk
01:54<rob_debian>thanks for answering somiaj. Nice to meet you :) well, I see, so majority of network tools came from BSD and not Linux, or it means majority Linux networking tools came from BSD originally ?
01:55<somiaj>well linux is just the kernel, GNU and BSD are two of the common origins of most the core tools used
01:55<jm_>originally a lot of them came from BSD, including the firewall, but it has changed a lot since then
01:55<twb>somiaj: then they're doing EAP-TLS (two-way verify) instead of EAP-TTLS (one-way verify)
01:56<twb>rob_debian: it depends how far back you go
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01:57<rob_debian>I see somiaj, thanks for attention :) fine, jm_ thanks for answering too :). It's just curiosity about Debian itself. Could I conclude Debian has more BSD than SVR4 devices and tools ?
01:57<twb>This isn't very helpful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unix_history-simple.svg
01:58<rob_debian>thanks for attention, twb !
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01:58<somiaj>rob_debian: I don't think that is a very useful metric, since the tools have all evolved from their humble origins.
01:59<rob_debian>I see, somiaj, I'm thinking too linearly about questions that can't be analyzed through this way... I see
01:59<somiaj>but the BSD/MIT license are quite nice, and BSD/unix had a lot of good tools, the combo mean they made great bases to start building the tools for what you are calling linux.
01:59<twb>unix systems are relatively modular with relatively stable interfaces
01:59<twb>So it was possible to grab bits from all over and glue them together, and then upgrade or rewrite them individually as time went on
02:00<rob_debian>I see twb...
02:00<twb>This is why Debian GNU/Linux works without the GNU kernel
02:00<rob_debian>I never saw any gnu/hurd running before, twb. agree
02:01<somiaj>to many in the bsd world, they find the gpl license of gnu quite restrictive. But over all that was a big point of this, why rebuild tools from scratch when you can improve the ones that are out there.
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02:01<twb>rob_debian: Debian GNU (a.k.a. Debian GNU/Hurd) exists, but is not well-supported
02:02<rob_debian>yes, somiaj, that's their basic point of view
02:02<somiaj>aren't they working on a hurd 2.0 (though the original hurd never made much ground)
02:02<twb>Likewise you could consider that Windows with "WFL" is actually "Ubuntu GNU/kNT"
02:02<rob_debian>twb, I don't have any idea about gnu/hurd
02:02<rob_debian>never saw any system running it
02:03<rob_debian>just saw debian kfreebsd and debian gnu/linux, the main OS I use here
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02:11<rob_debian>well, I'd spend hours talking to you somiaj, twb, jm_, but unfortunately it's 03:11 AM here
02:11<rob_debian>I have to go to sleep, but hope to see you in other occasion, as soon as possible !
02:12<rob_debian>see you !:) and thanks again for attention :)
02:12<rob_debian>bye !
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02:19<cruvolo>twb: somiaj: thanks for your help. i'm out. good night.
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02:24<twb>ARGH. vlc2 -> vlc3 as a "security" update
02:26<twb>vlc probably still includes an entire embedded copy of ffmpeg, too, due to that whole incompatible-versions issue
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02:37<twb>Argh, my patch to vlc to remove sout modules no longer Just Works
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03:17<twb>And the reason why it didn't Just Work is because of bloody google!
03:18<twb>"usr/lib/*/vlc/plugins/stream_out" became a bunch of separate sub-entries, so that chromecase can be compiled in only on some platforms
03:18<twb>*chromecast
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04:31<Diagon>I'm trying to identify whether the issue I've found is to be identified as a bug in the installer and whether/how I shold report it.
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04:31<Diagon>In short form, the installer puts up many obstacles to trying to use non-default settings for cryptsetup, or even just trying to use a luks container in a whole device rather than in a partition. I have found a solution, but it is quite convoluted. Details here and the proceeding discussion: https://www.saout.de/pipermail/dm-crypt/2018-May/005883.html
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04:33<jm_>maybe try clarifying it in #debian-boot
04:36<twb>Diagon: I dunno about LUKS, but in similar cases for other areas I just give up and bypass that part of the installer
04:37<twb>e.g. partman understands 5G = 5 * 1000 * 1000 * 1000, but not 5Gi = 5 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024
04:37<twb>So all my partitions are mis-sized if I let it be in charge
04:37<Diagon>jm_ - thanks, I will. twb - The problem is solved at that link. I didn't want to give up!
04:38<Diagon>Oh, I see what you're saying....
04:38<Diagon>twb, I'm not conversant enough with the install process that I know how to bypass the whole installer. Are you referring to using debootstrap?
04:38<twb>Diagon: sure, you are welcome to get it fixed
04:39<twb>Diagon: I'm just saying that I am lazy and give up
04:39<Diagon>How do you do it, then?
04:39<twb>debootstrap works if you bypass d-i entirely; but you can also bypass specific steps
04:39<twb>hit the back button, it drops you into a menu with a list of steps, the last one is "give me a shell"
04:39<jm_>Diagon: you can get a shell during installation and skip steps/do stuff manually in advanced mode
04:40<twb>so e.g. I do that, and "anna-install parted-udev" and then run parted, then go back into the installer UI
04:40<Diagon>Yes, I do a lot of that. It sounded like twb was saying he short circuits the whole thing.
04:40<twb>It is not for newbies
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04:40<twb>Diagon: I do also, separately, often build images using plain debootstrap :-)
04:41<twb>I always skip the bootloader step as well because grub is junk
04:41<Diagon>Ok, deboostrap was a bit beyond me, but I was able to fight my way through the installer and make it do what I wanted. Is there any good write-up on deboostrap?
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04:41<twb>Diagon: nah just practice
04:41<Diagon>Tell me about that, too. grub is junk?? What else can I use?
04:42<twb>I recommend refind on EFI systems, and extlinux (i.e. syslinux) on pre-EFI systems
04:42<twb>Both can be used in a "static" config, so that if they are easy to restore after a problem
04:42<Diagon>Oh, cool. I'll definitely look into that. I appreciate the tip.
04:43<Diagon>I'm kind of curious about inits, too, after all the systemd fury. OpenRC?
04:43<twb>I have a history of running non-standard inits from before systemd was even a thing
04:43<jm_>heh I used grub before it was in debian
04:44<twb>And it's rarely worth the hassle unless you have a very focused goal
04:44<twb>systemd is bloody annoying but at least the worst problems are already solved by someone else before you get there
04:44<Diagon>You mean, just go with the standard? One thing I was able to do with SystemV was use luks devices without headers. Doesn't seem possible with systemd.
04:45<twb>I can tell you right now that the cryptsetup code in debian's ramdisk is bloody awful
04:45<twb>or at least it was last time I looked, in jessie
04:45<Diagon>Ya, I know. I hacked on it to get it to work with headerless luks devices. But it did work.
04:46<twb>I mean: not written defensively or with extensive error handling
04:46<Diagon>So I was hoping that looking into another init might give me another way to do that.
04:46<twb>I started to clean it up but realized I'd probably end up breaking about 5% of the people using it, and I didn't feel like having that argument
04:47<Diagon>Ok, so refind & extlinux, but no suggestsions on inits.
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04:48<twb>my suggestion is "just run systemd; it's 'good enough' as at Debian 9"
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04:48<Diagon>Alright. I really do want detached headers on my luks containers, though! :)
04:49<Diagon>I'll head to debian-boot and see what they have to say ... thanks, man!
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04:50<twb>Diagon: is it for the rootfs?
04:50<Diagon>Ya.
04:50<twb>Diagon: do you have a non-LUKS'd /boot or ESP?
04:51<twb>In Debian (but not Fedora) the rootfs is mounted BEFORE systemd starts, so it's not relevant.
04:51<Diagon>twb - /boot can't be encrypted. I put it on a USB
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04:52<twb>well... it can, but it's a lot trickier
04:52<Diagon>You mean with libreboot or something?
04:52<twb>You need appropriate- yeah basically
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04:53<Diagon>Ya. I"m going to do that at some point. Haven't got a good libreboot machine yet, though.
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04:54<Diagon>(And with spectre and all, I'm kind of waiting 'till we have at least some not-so-broken machines available.)
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05:01<twb>Diagon: RISC-V ? :-)
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05:01<twb>Diagon: that avoids the IME / TrustZone backdoors, too
05:02<Diagon>There aren't any devices yet, though, right?
05:03<twb>unless if you feel like being an edge-bleeder
05:03<twb>https://wiki.debian.org/RISC-V#ASIC_implementations.2C_i.e._.22real.22_CPU_chips
05:04<twb>No idea if that's actually any good, but it had 8GB of ECC RAM, which surprised me in a dev board
05:04<Diagon>Ya, I see there are a couple of things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC-V#Commercially_available
05:04<twb>And obv. there's MIPS64
05:05<Diagon>Not a lot yet. I don't mind bleeding a bit. This intel cluster-f is remarkable.
05:05<twb>I tried to buy RMS's laptop when I was in China, but everyone was like "what even is that? A native Chinese CPU? Amaze!"
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05:07<Diagon>:)
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05:07<Diagon>Do I understand MIPS is basically low-power embedded stuff?
05:07<Diagon>I mean, is there anything I might run a desktop machine on ?
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05:08<Diagon>(That was the Lemoot, or something like that, wasn't it? That RMS was using?)
05:08<twb>RMS uses a Lemote Yeeloong Loongson
05:08<Diagon>Ok. In the ballpark.
05:08<twb>If you have seen a Eee PC 900 or 1000 series, it looks basically like that and is about the same power
05:09<twb>Although I notice that at least early MIPS systems had branch prediction, so...
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05:10<Diagon>Ah. So. It's RISC-V. The only choice ... Though I think there were a couple of ARM's that were ok, right?
05:10<Diagon>Raspberry Pi?
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05:12<twb>all AArch64 (ARMv8) has mandatory TrustZone core
05:12<twb>Last I heard, specture/meltdown vulns apply to only some lines of arm
05:13<twb>for an "decent arm laptop", look into the LWN articles on that topic
05:13<Diagon>Oh, very cool. Checking now ...
05:14<twb>short answer: there isn't one
05:16<Diagon>OMG, this is hillarious! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16863713
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05:26<twb>I had a tegra2-based Asus TF101 for a while --- everything worked, but reflashing required an closed-source reflashing program, and had to run the vendor's kernel (which of course never updated)
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05:27<twb>The only reason I didn't upgrade to their next model is it was EFI32, and at the time you couldn't do 64-bit linux from a 32-bit EFI
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05:48<androl492>Hello. I am using exim4 configured as satellite on debian 9. Is there a way change where " root@hostname " emails are sent to from the system when important events occur without using forwarding or aliases?
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05:57<Anarka>/etc/aliases maybe
05:57<Anarka>root: ping@pong.bs
05:57<androl492>I thought so also, but it seems I will have to switch to "smarthost" instead of "satellite" for this
05:58<peter1138>Diagon, damn, tempted to find one :p
05:59<Diagon>peter1138 - find what?
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06:00<peter1138>A Pinebook
06:00<Diagon>Ah.
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06:02<Diagon>This might be interesting. "The interview also includes a discussion of an Arm laptop constructed from components including the pi-top case, which is designed to hold a Raspberry Pi which is "not bolted shut, so it's easy to modify."" at this link: https://github.com/WorksOnArm/worksonarm-news/blob/master/2017-W40.md
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06:06<fmneto>Hi
06:06<fmneto>How should I name files under /etc/apt/preferences.d?
06:06<androl492>@Anarka Switching to smarthost mode may end up as my only option, from what I can find so far
06:08<jm_>fmneto: man page tells you how - man apt_preferences → Note that the files in the...
06:09<Anarka>i dont even see satellite option om my exim anymore
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07:51<uso>Is there any special KDE/Qt package or service required to be able to change settings in a KDE application? When I try to change options in kdiff3 they are reverted to the original state after restarting the program.
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07:57<uso>I try to enable "Unfold all subdirectories on load" and "Skip directory status report". When I use these options on the command line with --cs they do work, but when I try to enable them within kdiff3 the changes get lost after restart.
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08:26<AlexDenisov>hi folks, I'm trying to find which kernel version was used in the 9.2, but no luck so far. Any hints where can I get this information from?
08:26<AlexDenisov>Thank you
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08:27<petn-randall>,kernels
08:27<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-1-686-pae (4.16.5-1); buster: 4.16.0-1-686-pae (4.16.5-1); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.16.5-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
08:27<judd>3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.101-1)
08:27<petn-randall>AlexDenisov: 4.9. Do you need the exact version number?
08:28<AlexDenisov>petn-randall I need exact one used in the 9.2
08:28<AlexDenisov>I've found that it's 4.9, but I want more details
08:28<petn-randall>AlexDenisov: That depends on many factors. What do you need it for?
08:29<petn-randall>AlexDenisov: If you have not edited the sources.list on that system and regularly updated, that system will be in the same state as freshly install 9.5 + updates.
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08:30<AlexDenisov>oh, long-story short: a vendor says their software works on 9.2 (which does not), so I'm trying to find what's missing
08:30<shubham>hey
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08:30<petn-randall>AlexDenisov: And what does the software do?
08:31<AlexDenisov>it's a modified version of openocd (http://openocd.org), used to deploy binaries onto SmartFusion boards
08:31<grove>petn-randall: 9.5? Where do you find that?
08:31<petn-randall>AlexDenisov: FYI, 9.x are just point releases (newer installation images containing bugfixes) of 9.0. So appart from security bugfixes and other important bugfixes, nothing changes between 9.0 and any later 9.x releases.
08:32<petn-randall>*9.4
08:32<petn-randall>grove: "What do we want?" - A time machine. "When do we want it?" - That's irrelevant. ;)
08:33<AlexDenisov>petn-randall thank you, it's good to know
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08:51<RMOTAO>What is the best wat to talk with a package maintener?
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08:57<petn-randall>RMOTAO: Why do you want to talk to the package maintainer?
09:02<RMOTAO>I use Debian and Ubuntu. And use GAJIM, a xmpp client. Debian repository has the 1.6.6 version, Ubuntu repository has the 16.5 version. OMEMO need the 1.6.6 version to work. The package mantiner of GAJIM on Ubuntu is the same guy of the package maintener of GAJIM on Debian.
09:03<RMOTAO>I have Debian and Ubuntu. I use GAJIM, a xmpp client. Debian repository has the 1.6.6 version, Ubuntu repository has the 1.6.5 version. OMEMO need the 1.6.6 version to work. The package mantiner of GAJIM on Ubuntu is the same guy of the package maintener of GAJIM on Debian.
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09:13<lomig>Hi, I have a a debian system that won't boot so I'm trying to chroot it from a live rescue CD. I mounted all the partitions but I cannot chroot, no such file or directory
09:13<lomig>on /bin/bash
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09:15<Blacker47>lomig, is "chroot" not found or the dir you try to chroot to?
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09:16<lomig>chroot failed to run command /bin/bash
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09:17<lomig>I read things about architecture but it seems my live cd is a x86_64 and the /bin/bash in the chroot is an ELF 64 bits LSB executable
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09:18<lomig>the folder I try to chroot to exists, so does the chroot command
09:19<RMOTAO>What is the best way to talk to a package maintener?
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09:20<petn-randall>RMOTAO: Ok, but what do you want to tell them?
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09:21<RMOTAO>To upgrade the GAJIM on Ubuntu repository to 1.6.6
09:21<Blacker47>lomig: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/128046/chroot-failed-to-run-command-bin-bash-no-such-file-or-directory/128049#128049
09:22<petn-randall>RMOTAO: I doubt that will happen within a release, however you can file a bug if it's not updated yet in the next release.
09:23<luisfcc86>RMOTAO: also, you can try finding that package mantainer on ubuntu forums or irc channels, maybe he's there and you'll can tell him directly
09:23<arto>RMOTAO: Ubuntu's release cycle is different from Debian
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09:25<petn-randall>RMOTAO: Actually, the maintainer in Ubuntu is *not* the same as in Debian. gajim is in the universe repo in Ubuntu, and that's maintained by the MOTU team.
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09:25<petn-randall>RMOTAO: Then changelog entry is a direct upload from Debian. It does not reflect who updates things on Ubuntu.
09:26<RMOTAO>I see
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09:26<petn-randall>RMOTAO: https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/gajim
09:26<petn-randall>"It should generally not be necessary for users to contact the original maintainer."
09:27<lomig>Blacker47: actually /bin/bash exists in the destination system
09:27<RMOTAO>So, I just need to e-mail MOTU team?
09:27<luisfcc86>RMOTAO: looks like that
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09:27<Blacker47>lomig, maybe you chroot to wrong dir?
09:28<RMOTAO>ok
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09:28<RMOTAO>I will do that
09:28<petn-randall>lomig: Does /bin/bash exist within the chroot? `ls -l /path/to/chroot/bin/bash` returns something useful?
09:29<luisfcc86>RMOTAO: but they can answer only about ubuntu stuff. if you need patches for debian package, look after debian mantainer
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09:31<lomig>petn-randall: yup it exists
09:33<luisfcc86>lomig: i've arrived here after you stated your problem... what's happening?
09:33<lomig>petn-randall: it's approx 1M
09:34<lomig>luisfcc86: I have a debian system that won't boot and I'm trying to recover it from a live cd
09:34<lomig>luisfcc86: so I mounted it's LVM partitions on a mount point on which I try to chroot
09:35<lomig>luisfcc86: but chroot returns me that /bin/bash does not exist
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09:35<luisfcc86>lomig: let's start... you said your partitions are lvm... did you initialized them correctly before trying chrooting into them?
09:35<gepardo>Does anyone know how to prevent PackageKit from updating package cache at startup?
09:36<luisfcc86>gepardo: remove it from autostart
09:36<lomig>luisfcc86: I mounted them and can see their content, but is there another step ?
09:37<luisfcc86>lomig: i know little about lvm stuff, but i guess it isn't just mounting them
09:37<lomig>luisfcc86: ok maybe I need to vgchange -a them ?
09:38<luisfcc86>lomig: probably
09:38<gepardo>luisfcc86: Good idea :) Can it be done using systemctl disable PackageKit?
09:39<luisfcc86>gepardo: no since it isn't a systemd service. you may try looking for it on your DE autostart management thing
09:40<luisfcc86>i did it by creating a rc.local, enabling it on systemd and then removing all .desktop files on /etc/xdg/autostart. cumbersome? of course! does it do the job? yes
09:40<luisfcc86>so i can live with that
09:44<luisfcc86>you may also # systemctl stop packagekit-offline-update, then disable it
09:45<luisfcc86>lomig: also i should ask why your debian system isn't booting. any message?
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09:47<lomig>luisfcc86: All I can say is it had a kernel panic at boot and requested a manual fsck and this fsck didn't help to recover the system
09:47<lomig>luisfcc86: I could check its logs without chroot
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09:48<tda>how would debian be on the current lenovo x1 carbon? ive heard the linux support for the new intel 8xxxs isn't that good. is that true? specs here: https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X1-Carbon-6th-Gen/p/22TP2TXX16G#tab-techspec
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09:49<luisfcc86>lomig: kernel panic? man, you got a big deal there
09:49<gepardo>luisfcc86: Thanks, I will try disabling packagekit-offline-update
09:50<luisfcc86>lomig: are you using stock kernel? or did you compile one?
09:50<lomig>luisfcc86: stock kernel from debian 8
09:51<luisfcc86>and are you still using jessie?
09:51<lomig>luisfcc86: since it crashed really soon at startup I don't have much logs
09:51<lomig>luisfcc86: still
09:51<luisfcc86>fine
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09:53<luisfcc86>lomig: let me see...
09:53<lomig>luisfcc86: I have a read error when trying to look at the /var/log/kern.log
09:53<jhutchins_wk>lomig: Are you root?
09:54<luisfcc86>lomig: read this https://www.linuxwave.info/2007/11/mounting-lvm-disk-using-ubuntu-livecd.html, it's for ubuntu but i guess it may help you
09:54<lomig>luisfcc86: the disks are mounted
09:54<lomig>it seems the FS is messed up
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09:55<luisfcc86>lomig: if disks are mounted, did you try fsck on them?
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09:56<lomig>I could check'em all sure
09:56<luisfcc86>try it
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09:56<lomig>but I'm trying to find the real reason... a messed up fs could cause the ctime not to be updated as of the file content ?
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09:58<luisfcc86>lomig: it may cause
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10:39<alumno>AGUSTI LUNA
10:40<alumno>ELI
10:40<luisfcc86>has anyone summoned me while moderators were working?
10:41<somiaj>This is a debian support channel, so stick to support questions.
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10:42<luisfcc86>somiaj: i've asked because i see a notification here
10:43<petn-randall>alumno: Your mute has been removed. Feel free to ask any Debian support questions (in english!) if you have any. If you should spam the channel, we'll hand out a ban.
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11:29<scruloose>Hey all, I have a (likely very basic) dkms question...
11:30<scruloose>On stretch, trying to build latest ixgbe from sources downloaded directly from intel, following directions here: http://www.xkyle.com/building-linux-packages-for-kernel-drivers/
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11:31<scruloose>It doesn't build, and the log says "make: *** No targets. Stop."
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11:33<scruloose>A quick web search on that error seems to indicate that it indicates that there's no makefile because you missed the configure step, but...
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11:34<scruloose>I thought dkms was supposed to automate those steps. Do I need to specify some "configure" step in the dkms.conf file? Any ideas?
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11:37<petn-randall>scruloose: Why are you compiling that module by hand? It already comes shipped in the Debian kernels.
11:38<scruloose>Apparently my card, the X553 (PCI ID 15e4 and also 15e5) is only in very recent versions of the module. I was hoping to compile a new version in order to have the card available during install.
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11:40<scruloose>I tried the unofficial install CD with extra drivers first, but it still wasn't a new enough driver to pick up my onboard LAN interface
11:40<petn-randall>scruloose: You mean with extra firmware?
11:41<petn-randall>scruloose: How does your card have two PCI IDs? `lspci` should only display one.
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11:42<scruloose>Yes, I do mean the extra firmware installer.
11:43<scruloose>As for the two PCI IDs, well, what I have is a Supermicro motherboard with 4 onboard 10Gb ports, and lspci lists both of those IDs, both as "Ethernet Intel"
11:46<scruloose>The installer I tried was this one: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-dvd/
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11:47<scruloose>It loaded the ixgbe module when I picked it from the "choose your network hardware" prompt after autodetect failed, but the installer still couldn't find any network interfaces.
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11:49<scruloose>I believe the "testing" installer has a new enough kernel to support the card out of the box, but I'd really like to have stable on that server.
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11:50<scruloose>If there's an easier way to get there from here, I'm certainly open to the possibility that I'm approaching the problem from the wrong angle. 😊
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11:56<jhutchins_wk>scruloose: The source package should contain a README and/or INSTALL file which tells you which steps need to happen in which order. Configure, then make is fairly common, but there are variations and different options. Make files are very flexible.
11:56<jhutchins_wk>scruloose: The make file may require you to specify a target.
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12:00<scruloose>jhutchins_wk, Okay... so when using DKMS, should I still expect to manually carry out a configure step if the README file list one, or is there something that I should be adding in the dkms.conf file or similar?
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12:02<scruloose>I'm trying to build the module on a different Debian box (which *does* have the same kernel version as the installer environment) so I can put it on a USB stick for the installer to find it. That's why I'm trying to do this with DKMS.
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12:03<jhutchins_wk>scruloose: I think the source code needs to be set up to use dkms - I don't think regular source code is usually configured for it.
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12:04<jhutchins_wk>scruloose: dkms is intended for automated builds when the kernel changes, I don't think it applies in your case.
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12:06<jhutchins_wk>!uupdate
12:06<dpkg>uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>.
12:07<scruloose>jhutchins_wk: I see... So if I just make the module without DKMS, carry it over on a USB stick, modprobe it manually in the installer, that should get the card up during installation?
12:08<jhutchins_wk>scruloose: Sounds likely. Do read those files.
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12:10<scruloose>jhutchins_wk: Gotcha. I'll try that, thanks! Um, I assume that means I would need to also copy the module manually to the newly-installed system, right? The installer wouldn't pick up on it automatically, would it?
12:13<jhutchins_wk>scruloose: No, if the module's there the installer doesn't care how it was compiled.
12:13<jhutchins_wk>scruloose: I think it expects a binary module, not a deb.
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12:16<scruloose>jhutchins_wk: How clever! I'll give it a shot.
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13:49<anon_>hi, do you know how much time is needed to have a patched package on repository after a fix is made by package mantainer?
13:49<anon_>i filled a bug report and he solved, but on repos there is still avalaible only the older version
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14:44<ach>K Visalini get back out hell! of course i know i failed give you not out your freedom? <3 ok
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15:00<futune>I installed apparmor today and couldn't find a default profile for firefox-esr in either apparmor-profiles or apparmor-profiles-extra
15:00<futune>does anybody know where I can find a hardened apparmor profile for firefox which works on stretch?
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17:12<pi__>hay
17:12<pi__>what the wi-fi password?
17:13<annadane>pi__, for what?
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17:14<annadane>your name is "pi" so i'm not sure whether you're on raspbian, or whatever
17:14<pi__>cuz my phone dose not work
17:14<adnidor_>I'm having a pretty weird (non)problem
17:14<pi__>ok...
17:14<adnidor_>my /etc/resolv.conf is empty but name resolution still works
17:15<pi__>what is it adnidor
17:15<adnidor_>are there any other configs for nameservers?
17:15<annadane>pi__, anyway, this is for debian support, and we don't know what wifi you're talking about
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17:16<annadane>and are unlikely to know any passwords
17:16<pi__>so... how to you install messanger after downlodeing the file
17:16<jelly>adnidor_, which debian release, and what does "grep ^hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf" say
17:16<blast007>pi__: what version of Debian are you running?
17:17<pi__>hello anybody gona talk to me
17:17<adnidor_>jelly: jessy, "hosts: files dns"
17:17<adnidor_>*jessie
17:17<annadane>you've been addressed multiple times, pi__
17:17<jelly>adnidor_, that looks pretty defaulty
17:18<pi__>so you know ware i "live"
17:18<jelly>adnidor_, and "ls -ld $(readlink -f /etc/resolv.conf)" ?
17:18<adnidor_>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 151 May 23 23:11 /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
17:19<jelly>what's in those 151 byteses
17:19<adnidor_>the standard resolvconf header without any content
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17:19<jelly>oh, that's exactly those two lines of comment
17:19<pi__>go to prodgi.com its cool
17:19-!-mode/#debian [+o jelly] by ChanServ
17:19-!-mode/#debian [-o jelly] by ChanServ
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17:20<adnidor_>is there maybe a default nameserver in the glibc?
17:20<jelly>not in jessie
17:21<itd_>Has jessie systemd-resolved.service?
17:21<jelly>adnidor_, so you're saying "getent hosts security.debian.org" works right now?
17:22<jelly>itd_, but nothing in their nsswitch.conf is set to use systemd's nss stuff
17:22<adnidor_>jelly: yes, although returning only ipv6
17:22<jelly>hmmm
17:22<jelly>is strace installed?
17:22<adnidor_>no
17:23<jelly>if it is, pastebin the output of "strace -f getent hosts security.debian.org"
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17:25<adnidor_>jelly: https://gist.github.com/adnidor/c1724689c6aae7f074bda4b4c628b9d5
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17:34<itd_>jelly: Thanks. :)
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18:32<jelly>adnidor_, you have nscd (or a different *nscd) running and it's providing some results
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18:35<adnidor_>jelly: yeah, I installed that for LDAP login support
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18:35<adnidor_>but i never configured any nameserver
18:36<adnidor_>Doesn't nscd just use the resolv.conf?
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18:40<jelly>glibc nscd does some weird things, like loading nss modules on its own, could it be possible it was started back when resolv.conf still had ssome entries
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18:41<jelly>processes typically read /etc/resolv.conf once, the first time gethostbyname() or its friends are called
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18:42<jelly>so if something changes the file, most running processes never notice
18:44<adnidor_>jelly: that could be it
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18:45<adnidor_>thanks
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19:53<pr0tec>howdy
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20:09<ohjeachan>anyone here have experience building vba-m on debian?
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20:13<ohjeachan>anyone here even know what vba-m is?
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20:18<pr0tec>I dont but you are going to tell us?
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20:21<ohjeachan>VisualboyAdvance-M the newer version of the GBA emulator, I've been trying to build it from GitHub and everything appears to work in terminal during install but there's no change in programs to run so it messed up somewhere
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20:22<ohjeachan>I was just wondering if anyone here has experience with it on debian and can give me some pointers
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20:25<somiaj>what do you mean by 'change in programs to run'
20:25<somiaj>are you say looking in a menu and not seeing a menu entry?
20:27<ohjeachan>Building it would normally make a shortcut in the menu and it's not there, so yes.
20:28<somiaj>building wouldn't normally do that, and installing would only if it put a .desktop file in an appropriate place
20:28<somiaj>why not just run the binary that gets built directly from the terminal
20:29<ohjeachan>actually that's a fair point, let me try build again and see if it doesn't run from terminal
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21:09<uriah>hi
21:09<uriah>هاي
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21:18<uriah>?
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21:24<pastly>uriah: this is a support channel.
21:25<pastly>If you havea question, ask it.
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21:27<uriah>ok thanks
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21:46<pr0tec>?
21:46<pr0tec>im speechless
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21:50<xeon>hello
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21:51<pr0tec>i smell something
21:52<pr0tec>inst it spelled xenon
21:53<xeon>how to have new GF? im single
21:54<pr0tec>whats wrong with BF?
21:54<pr0tec>you homophobic?
21:55<xeon>im a boy
21:55<pr0tec>you homophobic?
21:55<xeon>:) not gay XD
21:55<pr0tec>get a BF and call it a day
21:55<xeon>my GF dead
21:55<pr0tec>picky are we?
21:55<xeon>i need selena gomez
21:56<xeon>or mia khalifa
21:56<pr0tec>they suck?
21:56<xeon>yeess
21:57<pr0tec>how do you know?
21:57<xeon>hahaha
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21:58<pr0tec>are you on *THE* list?
21:59<xeon>list for?
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22:00<pr0tec>public enemy list?
22:00<xeon>hmmm secret
22:01<pr0tec>or the private enemy list
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22:01<xeon>secret bro
22:01<pr0tec>hi dvs
22:01<pr0tec>im not a bro
22:01<xeon>oppa?
22:02<xeon>XD
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22:02<pr0tec>oppa?
22:02<xeon>oppa = handsome on korea
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22:03<pr0tec>kim is oppa
22:04<xeon>i dont like boyband, im seriouse
22:04<xeon>but all girl love oppa
22:07<pr0tec>you big hacker ?
22:08<xeon>pshhhh.. why u ask hacker
22:09<pr0tec>irc.anonops.com
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22:09<rob_debian>Hi all. Please, I plan to upgrade from a Debian Jessie 8.10 to Stretch 9.4. I ask: is there a real risk of data loss? Is it necessary to have to back up .mp4, .flac, .jpeg, jpg, .pdf, etc files?
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22:10<pr0tec>backup to cloud
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22:11<rob_debian>Hi pr0tec, nice to meet you here, thanks for attention ! any suggestion ?
22:11<xeon>XD
22:12<pr0tec>there are lots of freecloud services you can use
22:12<xeon>how old r u sir
22:14<rob_debian>yes, sure, pr0tec, but I thought you were referring about any cloud service that could be activated during debian upgrade.
22:14<rob_debian>I was born in 1926, xeon
22:15<pr0tec>why?
22:15<pr0tec>you just about as old as unix!
22:15<rob_debian>I'm not sure I'll have to back up these files I mentioned to you
22:16<pr0tec>you dont store them on another partition?
22:16<rob_debian>quite newbie in unix yet, pr0tec
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22:16<pr0tec>expecially since you are using linux :)
22:16<rob_debian>I can create one for this purpose
22:17<rob_debian>fine, pr0tec, I'll proceed like that. Thanks for hint !
22:17<pr0tec>every 2 3 years a format everything and start fresh
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22:18<rob_debian>fine !
22:19<pr0tec>non need to go thru life with lots of baggage
22:22<rob_debian>sure, pr0tec, we usually go through life with baggages that are impregnated in ourselves, despite the fact sometimes they are of no use other than to cause us weight
22:24<xeon>:)
22:25<pr0tec>you really dont need extra weight
22:26<luisfcc86>are we philosophical this night, aren't we?
22:26<pr0tec>philosophical?
22:27<luisfcc86>philosophical: related to philosophy
22:27<luisfcc86>this conversation about baggage and life
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22:30<pr0tec>no its about backups
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22:31<luisfcc86>fits very well about life in general
22:33<pr0tec>you got one?
22:33<luisfcc86>backup or life?
22:33<pr0tec>i already used up about 7
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22:34<pr0tec>cats are supposed to have 9
22:34<luisfcc86>i have no life, i'm highschool teacher hehehehe
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22:37<pr0tec>in the usa its an high risk job
22:37<luisfcc86>i'm from brazil, and i teach in a school in a favela
22:38<luisfcc86>it's very risky too
22:38<pr0tec>i never eard about a school shooting in brazil
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22:39<luisfcc86>well, we don't have school shootings... but danger here has other faces
22:40<luisfcc86>rio de janeiro isn't the most safe place in the world, after all
22:41<pr0tec>yes lots of poor people
22:43<luisfcc86>not only poor people... drug traffic and police confrontations are common, and stray bullets kill a lot here. also, robbing is almost a routine here
22:43<pr0tec>sounds like fun
22:44<xeon>im a goodcat
22:44<luisfcc86>it's a very beautiful city, but also a very dangerous one. if you have no obligation to come to here, i should suggest to you for not coming at all
22:44<xeon>lol
22:45<luisfcc86>unless you're very fluent in portuguese and can speak it without accent
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22:46<pr0tec>they cant speak english?
22:46<luisfcc86>hahahaha
22:46<luisfcc86>a typical brazilian barely can correctly speak our native tongue, portuguese
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22:47<pr0tec>you mean language
22:48<xeon>pemmz.com good target
22:48<luisfcc86>yes, i mean that
22:48<pr0tec>whats that xeon?
22:49<luisfcc86>rio de janeiro is a common destination for tourists... but few people here can speak english
22:49<xeon>online shop XD
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22:50<xeon>i wil buy new laptop gaming
22:50<pr0tec>i could learn portuguese and become a guide
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22:50<rob_debian>luisfcc86, are you from rj ?
22:50<luisfcc86>a job with good payment here, i must add
22:51<luisfcc86>rob_debian: yes
22:52<pr0tec>xeon and get reckt
22:52<xeon>whoa
22:52<luisfcc86>xeon: from where is that webstore?
22:52<xeon>XD
22:52<pr0tec>northkorea
22:52<xeon>idk, check whois
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22:53<pr0tec>indonesia
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22:54<luisfcc86>whois tells me az, i guess it means arizona
22:54<xeon>prestashop CMS
22:54<pr0tec>must be were daesh buys
22:55<luisfcc86>but anyways
22:56<pr0tec>gaming and laptop dont sound good
22:56<luisfcc86>i'm shocked for whois not being in a default debian install
22:56<pr0tec>toghether
22:57<luisfcc86>i must agree, pr0tec
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22:57<xeon>i love gaming bro XD
22:58<pr0tec>sure you do
22:58<luisfcc86>me too, but i have a desktop for that
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22:58<xeon>i like play dota2
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22:58<pr0tec>crappy game
22:58<xeon>what ur fav game?
22:58<luisfcc86>i love fps since doom, one of first pc games i've played
22:59<xeon>whoa doom, i will try to play
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22:59<luisfcc86>i have some years on my baggage hehehe
23:00<xeon>r u play on console? or steam?
23:00<dust>free to play https://store.steampowered.com/app/236390/War_Thunder/
23:00<luisfcc86>i have it on my xbox live account
23:01<luisfcc86>running a msdos game this day isn't that good
23:01<luisfcc86>hehehehe
23:01<pr0tec>why?
23:01<luisfcc86>i also have the steam version, but rarely i turn my desktop on
23:01<xeon>awh i play on steam
23:02<pr0tec>xbox? this is linux channel
23:02<xeon>freesteamkeys.com
23:02<luisfcc86>and i use gnu/linux for 22 years, but sometimes gaming on it isn't the nicest thing on earth hehehehe
23:04<pr0tec>kakakaka
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23:04<pr0tec>jesus fucking christ
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23:05<luisfcc86>?
23:05<pr0tec>its maning
23:05<zebmccorkle>imo this conversation is a bit offtopic for #debian, probably better suited for #debian-offtopic
23:08<xeon>its ok bro. all for dun
23:08<xeon>fun
23:08<luisfcc86>but technically zebmccorkle is right
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23:10<jc>this channel is for debian support. #debian-offtopic is for fun.
23:10<pr0tec>technically
23:11<xeon>lol
23:11<xeon>and all just afk?
23:11<xeon>why not ask debian topic?
23:12<luisfcc86>5
23:13<pr0tec>debian is just ubuntu backported
23:13<luisfcc86>man, no way. i've seen debian being born
23:14<luisfcc86>hehehe
23:14<luisfcc86>anyways, i shoulda go
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23:14<xeon>i go too
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23:16<pr0tec>now thers no body from the NSA here
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