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02:54<Guest3846>hello
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02:55<Guest3846>这里有会说中文的吗?
02:58<somiaj>Hello.
02:58<somiaj>This is a debian support channel, if you have a question about debian, feel free to ask.
02:59<Guest3846>Can I speak Chinese?
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03:01<somiaj>This is an english channel, but there might be a chinese channel.
03:01<somiaj>!cn
03:02<somiaj>!chinese
03:03<somiaj>There is, but the bot is currently not available.
03:04<somiaj>dselect: chinese
03:04<dselect>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
03:05<Guest3846>OK, thank you. I speak English。
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03:08<Guest3846>Consultation:debian 9.4-live-lxde,What is the maximum support CPUs? Default install.
03:09<jm_>bpo kernel for amd64 has CONFIG_NR_CPUS=512 - so try «grep CONFIG_NR_CPUS /boot/config-*»
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03:11<jm_>but it's probably enough if you are asking this question
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03:14<chance>hey
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03:15<Guest3846>Desktop and server same support 512 CPU?
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03:16<somiaj>The stretch kernel here is also 512 cpu
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03:16<somiaj>Guest3846: debian doesn't have a seperate desktop/server kernel.
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03:16<somiaj>the difference between desktop/server is mostly packages installed
03:18<Guest3846>General-purpose, but there is no CPU number limit (512)?
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03:19<somiaj>that is the limit complied into the kernel. Which seems like a lot to me.
03:20<Guest3846>Yes, very good!
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03:22<Guest3846>Consultation:debian How to set system font / font size with command line? or Which configuration file can be modified to manually specify the font?
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03:23<somiaj>there is no system font in general. That would depend a lot on what apps/desktop you use. If using a gui, such as xorg, 96dpi is a fixed setting, but most desktops provide a way to scale the font size in their settings.
03:23<Guest3846>For example, set up "Sans 10" Default font for the system
03:24<somiaj>But if by system you mean a desktop, they do have font setting tools, though often gtk, qt, and other apps may have to be configured indvidually.
03:24<somiaj>For example if you use gnome, this should do it, https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-terminal/stable/app-fonts.html.en
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03:24<somiaj>if you use kde, or some other DE, you'll have to adjust
03:26<Guest3846>Yes, because custom Debian, use chroot,No GUI,only use command line,So setting up Fonts is complicated。Can you give some guidance?
03:27<Guest3846>I use lxde
03:27<somiaj>You say no gui, yet you use lxde? lxde is a gui.
03:28<somiaj>Something like this may work. These are ubuntu instructions, but they seem to apply to lxde
03:28<somiaj>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Setup#Fonts
03:29<somiaj>If you are talking about the console font, 'dpkg-reconfigure console-setup' can change the font on the tty.
03:30<Guest3846>No clear expression,sorry,use LXDE GUI,but Customized debian (unsquashfs filesystem.squahfs),chroot squashfs-root,olny use ommand line
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03:32<Guest3846> It seems that I didn't express it clearly.
03:33<somiaj>Openbox can be configured via xml files, which is the wm being used. You'll have to read the openbox docs on how to change this. But if using lxde, I would just use the settings tool
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03:34<Guest3846> Can desktop fonts be done by setting up OPENBOX's XML?
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03:35<somiaj>openbox font's can be configured that way. Desktop fonts is vague, and openbox fonts may not affect other programs, like your webbrowser.
03:37<Guest3846>OK,very good,@somiaj Thank you!
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03:56<twb>Dumb question: in sqlite3 in debian, how come json extension Just Works (without .load), and CSV extension does not?
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04:08<twb>Answer: --enable-json but not --enable-csv in debian/rules
04:08<twb>...although ./configure --help doesn't mention the latter, so...
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04:18<twb>Solved.
04:18<twb>apt install libsqlite3-mod-csvtable
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04:34<Guest3852>hey
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04:34<twb>Guest3852: hi, do you have a Debian question?
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04:55<willemb>Hi. Is there a way to detect what packages are currently installed, but the installed version is not available in any configures sources?
04:56<willemb>ie, I need to know if a 3rd party source has been deleted and now I won't get any more updates for packages
04:56<somiaj>there is, trying to find the factoid on the aptitude command
04:56<willemb>i almost want aptitude -F '%p' search '?obsolete'
04:57<somiaj>obsolete won't deal with packages of the same name with different versions, but there is away to include this
04:58<somiaj>!not available
04:58<somiaj>dselect: not available
04:58<dselect>To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
05:03<willemb>that seems pretty neat. however, I don't know that I trust it.
05:03<somiaj>trust it?
05:03<somiaj>It does exactly what it says it does, it lists all packages that are not in your current sources.list. If you have third party apps in your sources.list this won't narrow it to just debian sources.
05:04<somiaj>you could remove those sources, and run the command, or narrow it even more to only list packages from debian.
05:04<somiaj>willemb: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html -- full list of searchable options
05:05<twb>willemb: in aptitude's GUI mode, it's the bottom grouping
05:05<twb>--- Obsolete and Locally Created Packages (1284)
05:05<willemb>https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/L27TkYs2LRxocAzPIqi60Q
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05:05<willemb>why do i see zabbix-agant in the search results?
05:05<twb>probably it was removed for being buggy and crap
05:06<willemb>no, i have it in a custom source
05:06<twb>okey dokey then
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05:08<willemb>so how do i see packages that have no official or custom source?
05:09<somiaj>willemb: hmm, didn't realize that it only listed debian packages, look at the aptitude docs, also look the ?archive part of the flag, that is narrowing what archive it is
05:09<willemb>ok, that seems fair. maybe I can widen it to any archive
05:10<somiaj>Maybe just ?version(CURRENT) is what you need.
05:11<somiaj>seems the factoid didn't clearly state it also narrows the archive, but not quite use what that regex is doing on the archive
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05:11<willemb>ok, I think I will be able to figure it out from there
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05:27<lomig>Hi does anyone know a way to recover from the so called issue "cosmic rays hit your disk and flipped a bit in /sbin/init" ?
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05:30<petn-randall>lomig: You'd boot a live system, chroot into your installation, and reinstall the package.
05:30<petn-randall>lomig: Are you really sure it's a cosmic ray that flipped a bit?
05:32<lomig>petn-randall: well since /sbin/init is on the fs but cannot be found at startup and I cannot chroot to the system since /bin/bash has the same kind of trouble, it could be a massire cosmic ray storm
05:33<lomig>petn-randall: or simply a SSD crash, which I fscked and repaired errors but where the system seems to be messed up
05:34<lomig>It would probably be better to reinstall the system but I never did so
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05:35<lomig>meant massive*
05:36<petn-randall>lomig: To chroot into a system you don't need init.
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05:36<lomig>petn-randall: I tried to chroot but /bin/bash had the same trouble
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05:37<lomig>the binary seems to be here, but it cannot find it
05:37<somiaj>lomig: if an unknown amount of stuff is broken, a reinstall is usually the saftest. But say it is only now init and bash, you could from outside the chroot use dpkg to install bash inside your chroot, look at the --instdir option.
05:37<petn-randall>Or use dash.
05:37<somiaj>but it sounds like you have bigger problems.
05:37<petn-randall>lomig: Can you paste the exact errors you get from the live system?
05:38<petn-randall>lomig: Also a description of what happened that you came to this state would help.
05:39<lomig>chroot: can't execute '/bin/{sh|bash|dash}': No such file or directory
05:39<petn-randall>lomig: Does bin/ even exist in your chroot?
05:39<lomig>A coworker started its computer that kernel paniced at startup unable to fond /sbin/init
05:40<petn-randall>lomig: what's the output of 'ls -al' on the mount point of where you mounted your system?
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05:40<lomig>well /target/bin exists so does /target/bin/{sh|bash|dash}
05:41<somiaj>type mount, is /target mounted noexec?
05:41<lomig>petn-randall: well everything needed /bin /boot /dev /etc /lib /lib64 and so on
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05:41<lomig>it's not noexec
05:41<petn-randall>lomig: "and so on" is not helpful. What's the complete list?
05:42<petn-randall>lomig: Can you copy/paste it from the affected machine?
05:42<lomig>actually the /sbin/init wasn't the first error, the first one required to manually run fsck on some partitions
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05:43<petn-randall>lomig: For example, does /sbin/ even exist?
05:44<lomig>petn-randall: haven't tried to c/p ota yet :D btw here's the list : /bin /boot / build /dev /etc /home /initrd.img -> /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0.-4-amd64 /lib /lib64 /lost+found /media /mnt /opt /proc /root /run /sbin /srv /sys /tmp /usr /var /vmlinuz -> /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64
05:44<somiaj>lomig: does the live system have internet access?
05:45<lomig>and the sbin or bin binaries exist in the /target mount point
05:45<lomig>somiaj: it has
05:45<somiaj>dselect: termbin
05:45<dselect>methinks termbin is you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999
05:45<somiaj>^^ nice way to paste stuff from the system
05:46<lomig>where will the output end ?
05:46<somiaj>it will return you a url
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05:49<lomig>somiaj: my live system does not resolve domains, under investigation
05:50<jm_>maybe it's missing some libs if /bin/sh exists but chroot still fails
05:50<petn-randall>lomig: `cat /path/to/file | nc 5.39.93.71 9999` then.
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05:51<lomig>seems the jessie installer shell (only option left when you cannot chroot) does not configure any network interface actually
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05:52<jm_>grml is a much better rescue system than d-i
05:52<lomig>even if the network was configured before the rescue step
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05:53<lomig>jm_: good to know, I was using a system rescue cd before but since I couldn't repair it I ended to a point where the only way left was somehow repairing / reinstalling the debian
05:59<jm_>lomig: is this amd64?
06:00<lomig>jm_: affirmative
06:00<jm_>lomig: check if /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 and /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 exist
06:01<lomig>only the second exists
06:01<jm_>ok that's why chroot fails
06:01<lomig>good to know
06:02<jm_>try to copy it from installer
06:02<lomig>on my way
06:02<jm_>but I am not sure if it has full blown lib on it at that point
06:03<lomig>jm_: not present on the installer
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06:04<jm_>lomig: thought so, does it have working ar and tar commands?
06:05<somiaj>well /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 is a link, is /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.24.so inside your chroot?
06:05<lomig>jm_: it has both
06:05<somiaj>(that is the stretch version, assuming you are running stretch)
06:06<lomig>wait my bad in fact it has both
06:06<jm_>ahh yes, maybe that's why it doesn't exist, I gave you strech file names
06:06<lomig>a pointer to libc-2.19
06:07<jm_>which also exists?
06:07<somiaj>,v libc6
06:07<judd>Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.27-3; sid: 2.27-3
06:07<somiaj>looks like you are on jessie
06:07<lomig>which does not seem to exist
06:08<lomig>somiaj: I am
06:08<jm_>ok so the quick thing to try is to 'ar x libc6*deb'; 'tar xfz data.tar.*' and copy missing files
06:08<somiaj>(making sure it is the jessie version of libc6)
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06:09<lomig>where should I find those libc6 libraries ?
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06:10<lomig>hmmm seems I have the libc-2.19.so on the installer
06:11<lomig>but in /lib/
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06:11<lomig>not /lib/x86_64-gnu-linux/
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06:13<jm_>in /cdrom/pool/main/g/glibc
06:13<jm_>after first few prompts
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06:14<lomig>jm_: So I shouldnet use the libc libraries on /lib (from the installer but not in the directory you told me to check)
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06:16<jm_>lomig: the one on installer seems much smaller for me, 1.2M vs 1.7M, so I checked the steps and it's: cd /tmp; ar x /cdrom/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.19*deb; gunzip data.tar.gz; tar xf data.tar
06:17<jm_>that will give you lib/x86_64-gnu-linux/libc-2.19.so to copy
06:18<lomig>jm_: great, on my way
06:19<willemb>ok, the flaw with the advice I got earlier, is that some of my third-party packages seem to come from repositories that don't specify releases
06:21<lomig>jm_: done
06:21<jm_>lomig: try chroot
06:21<lomig>jm_: chroot still fails
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06:22<jm_>lomig: with the same error?
06:22<lomig>can't execute no such file or directory
06:22<lomig>neither for /bin.sh nor /bin/bash
06:22<lomig> /bin/sh sorry
06:23<kneekoo>hello, I want to install Debian 9.4 in Hyper-V (Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard), but neither the IDE and SCSI storage are detected, so I can't proceed
06:25<kneekoo>I used the firmware netinst image, by the way
06:25<jm_>lomig: do symlinks now point to existing files? ls -l /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 and then ls -l /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.19.so /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.19.so
06:27<enyc>kneekoo: youare discoverin a problem that the isntaller needs a awy to boot and install with backports kernel
06:27<enyc>kneekoo: (likely)
06:27<lomig>jm_: the first one points to /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.19.so that does not seem to exist too
06:28<jm_>lomig: copy it from unpacked libc6
06:28<enyc>kneekoo: #debian-boot or #debian-installer or something might give a clue, not sure
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06:28<kneekoo>thanks for the tip, enyc
06:29<enyc>kneekoo: not 100% sure but I *suspect*
06:30<enyc>kneekoo: you could test booting diffrent ubuntu boot images which have both older and newer kernel versions, see if that gives you a clue if its' more likely different kernel etc.
06:30<lomig>jm_: new error : /bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries; libdl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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06:30<enyc>kneekoo: i think, basically, debian needs more developers/reosources to do these things
06:30<jm_>lomig: try with /bin/sh, bash is more demanding (needs 5 libs as opposed to 2 for dash)
06:31<jm_>or /bin/dash is sh points to bash
06:31<jm_>if*
06:31<lomig>jm_: seemed to chroot, but now even ls fails
06:32<lomig>jm_: but it's a move forward :)
06:32<kneekoo>enyc: true, and to be frank I'd rather install Debian on the bare metal, but currently that isn't an option
06:32<jm_>lomig: ls also needs a crapload of libs too
06:33<lomig>jm_: won't they be need just to be able to fix the system btw ?
06:33<jm_>lomig: I have busybox-static installed for such purposes :)
06:33<jm_>lomig: some other tools might also need those libs yes
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06:34<enyc>kneekoo: now might be a good time ot take the 9.4 install image and work otu how to manually respin/modify to to make a variant with the current 4.16 backports kernel
06:35<lomig>jm_: do you have by any chance the next steps (or a guide since your time is not elastic ;) )
06:36<lomig>jm_: I'm trying to chroot with the debian installer, I'll see how it goes
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06:37<jm_>lomig: other than trial and error? no. with that I mean see if 'ldd /sbin/init' reports success, boot if it does, otherwise fix that first
06:37<kneekoo>enyc: thanks, I'll see what I can do
06:37<lomig>jm_: seems libdl.so.2 is need for many things from ls to mount
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06:37<lomig>jm_: ok
06:37<lomig>jm_: libdl for init too :)
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06:39<jm_>lomig: yeah that's dynamic loader lib, so no surprise there
06:39<lomig>jm_: safe to copye them as others ?
06:39<jm_>lomig: sure, if you come accross something that does not exist in unpacked dir, find the package owning it and repeat steps for that one
06:43<lomig>jm_: ldd /sbin/init gives me some output
06:43<lomig>jm_: think it's a good thing :)
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06:43<jm_>lomig: yeah but that's just the very first step
06:44<lomig>jm_: the list of dependencies is considered as a success ?
06:45<jm_>lomig: yes, but for executing /sbin/init only
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06:48<lomig>jm_: many errors at boot like Dependency failed firl Local File Systems
06:48<lomig>jm_: not able to log in too
06:49<jm_>lomig: yeah you'd need to find out which command failed and look into it, «grep -r 'Local File Systems' /etc/init.d» should give you the starting point I guess
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06:50<lomig>jm_: not sure i'll have logs but I'll give it a try
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06:52<jm_>lomig: try 'journalctl -u local-fs-pre.target' and also for local-fs.target
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08:47<mestia>anybody using firejail? since lust update in buster I can't start it anymore
08:48<petn-randall>!debian-next
08:48<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
08:48<petn-randall>mestia: Try asking in the above channel. ^^^
08:49<mestia>petn-randal: ok, thanks
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09:19<willemb>when I run apttitude versions "somepackage" , and field 2 shows <NULL> , what does that mean?
09:19<willemb>I THINK it means 'the package you have does not target a specific release'
09:20<Anarka>cool.. didnt knew that existed... still use apt-show-versions
09:21<willemb>that might be my answer, thanks
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09:27<willemb>i want to know what packages are installed, but are not installable. looks like the best solution is aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT)) ?installed ?not(?automatic)' |awk {'print $2'}|xargs apt-show-versions|grep 'No available version in archive'
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09:33<Anarka>i have, long ago, configured aptitude to show installed version and available repo version
09:33<Anarka>so aptitude search ~i | grep none does that
09:33<Anarka>but there should be plenty of ways of doing the same
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09:36<lomig>HI, any idea on how to find libssh2-1.so from the debian installer ?
09:37<Anarka>libssh2-1 ?
09:39<themill>willemb: I don't think the rest of the pipeline is required
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09:40<arto>themill: I agree, without it showed list, now all in one row
09:40<lomig>Anarka: sorry ssh2.so.1
09:41<Anarka>lomig: that was the package name
09:42<lomig>I'm missing this library and thus cannot apt get update, since I'm trying to recover a messed up system from the debian live installer I need to find it in the installer libs
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11:13<foka>Testing
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11:13<axr>hi
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11:14<axr>hello
11:14<s1lv3r>hello
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11:15<axr>i wanna help in the social tool kit
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11:15<s1lv3r>i have no idea what you are talking about just joined irc for the first time
11:15<axr>yes
11:16<s1lv3r>unable to help sorry
11:16<axr>y
11:16<arto>axr: which social tool kit?
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11:17<axr>clone website
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11:18<arto>axr: cloning website, google is you friend
11:18<axr>site cloner
11:18<itd_>axr: Kali?
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11:19<axr>google is my friend i dont do wrong think
11:19<axr>parrot os
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11:19<blast007>!parrot
11:19<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
11:23<axr>hey there/
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11:23<arto>axr:bye!
11:25<axr>pls help
11:25<itd_>axr: Join #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org and ask them.
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11:27<s1lv3r>it is me or man pages are really hard to read? i'm a newbie and maybe i'm missing some background but i find manpages really hard and often confuse me even more
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11:29<petn-randall>s1lv3r: Depends on the man page. Most of the time it's just a reminder of the options you have for a command line tool. It doesn't replace a tutorial to get you going.
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11:29<petn-randall>s1lv3r: And then things like 'man bash' are PITA to read because they just cover *everything*.
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11:30<s1lv3r>thanks for your answer
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11:31<petn-randall>s1lv3r: A good thing to learn is how to search within the man pages, it helps a lot with navigation and finding what you need.
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11:33<s1lv3r>so man pages are a "reminder" if i want to learn a command i need to read first a tutorial
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11:33<petn-randall>s1lv3r: If there is any shipped with a tool.
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11:34<petn-randall>s1lv3r: e.g. the man page for ansible will never be able (nor intends to) cover all the things you can do with ansible. But there's a full tutorial with video etc on the upstream site.
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11:35<s1lv3r>thank you so much for the help
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11:39<paco>Hi, I want to share part of my time by cooperating with Debian Community. May be translations a good point to start?
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11:43<s1lv3r>hi paco i think help with translations is one of the best things you can do
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11:43<petn-randall>paco: Sure, it's a good starting point! :)
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11:46<paco>I have been reading some info on the website but I don't really find an easy way to get involve.
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11:50<paco>May I contact some specific email or join some mail list for that?
11:52<itd_>paco: Have a look at https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Welcome/Translators and "Translation" on https://www.debian.org/intro/help maybe.
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11:53<paco>Lets try, Thanks a lot
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11:58<paco>I'm contacting the right language team, thanks for your help. Lets continue supporting this wonderful OS.
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12:42<alumno>holaa
12:42<petn-randall>hi alumno
12:43<alumno>Good afternoon
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15:19<ullbeking>ok, so apparently the default setting on a debian stable installation is that "recommended" packages are installed by default, as though they were "depends-on" packages. is that true?
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15:20<somiaj>that is true, recommened packages are considered packages that the matainers think most users want, even if it isn't a hard dependency
15:20<somiaj>on the other hand, suggested packages, are not installed by default.
15:21<somiaj>In many cases you may loose expected functionality if you don't install the recommended packages.
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15:28<ullbeking>somiaj: I am puzzled then as to why dirmngr wasn’t installed when gnupg was. What should I check?
15:29<ullbeking>Is there a log file that says what triggered installation of each package?
15:30<somiaj>ullbeking: no log except what was installed. You could try 'aptitude why gnupg' to see why gnupg was isntalled.
15:30<somiaj>What do you think should have pulled in dirmngr?
15:32<ullbeking>I am using Gnome, and I installed Thunderbird using the “Software” app. Then I installed Enigmail using Synaptic, I think. Maybe something there isn’t respecting the “install recommend packages by default” setting
15:32<somiaj>oh dirmngr is a recommended package of gnupg. I have a guess what happened. gnupg is part of the base system. The base system is just installed, it doesn't go through the standard apt logic to determine depends, and gnupg being a part of the base system, even though dirmngr is reocommended, the debootstrap base system doesn't include it.
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15:33<ullbeking>Ah
15:33<ullbeking>Yeah that would make sense, although it is a bit counterproductive
15:34<somiaj>the whole reocmmended/suggested line has a lot of grey area too, what someone thinks is recommneded others suggested. It isn't perfect, but works most the time.
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15:38<ullbeking>`aptitude why gnupg` told me `i enigmail Depends gnupg (>= 2) | gnupg2`
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15:40<somiaj>ullbeking: aptitude figures this out by using reverse depends. In this case since it was a base system piece, wasn't that useful.
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15:40<somiaj>I'm not quite sure what the idea of the base system and recommended packages is.
15:40<ullbeking>would you consider this to be a bug?
15:41<ullbeking>i'm not suggesting at all that it would be trivial to fix, and possibly not even worth fixing if it requires huge architectural changes to the base system installation phase
15:41<somiaj>I don't know, the base system is its own thing, and unsure on the policy surrounding it.
15:42<somiaj>most likely they would just add that to the base system if they thought it should be there.
15:42<ullbeking>i wonder if there's a command that scans through installed packages and checks whether all recommended packages are installed too
15:43<ullbeking>i looked at apt-get but couldn't find anything like this
15:43<somiaj>I am unsure where the best place to address questions about what should be included in the base system is. Maybe look at the debian installer folks, #debian-boot or #debian-installer
15:43<ullbeking>somiaj: it's like you read my mind. i was just about to ask that :-)
15:43<somiaj>aptitude is a tool that could do that, you could have aptitude do some depends searching for all packages that are recommended but not installed
15:44<somiaj>aptitude search is really powerful and can then be used to install (or remove) packages the search finds. You would have to look up aptitude search terms and figure out the ones that find all recommended packages that are not installed and install them
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16:01<v3ritas>Need some help recovering data, guys. We were copying a installed OS to an external drive. We used dd if/of and successfully did make a bootable copy of Parrot. The problem is, there was data on the drive. We were unaware we needed to partition first. It wrote the partitions of Parrot and left the data in a unstructured partiton space, so its there but not accessible. Fdisk -l lists error "Partition 2 does not start on a physical
16:01<v3ritas>sector boundary!"...TestDisk Analyze repptys: "Bad GPT partition, Invalid signature, trying alternate GPT" Do I just need to align the partition and can I use Gparted or Parted Magic OS?
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16:09<somiaj>v3ritas: first this isn't a parrot os support channel, so you should bring parrot os support questions to the appropriate channel. Even though this is more a partition issue, you should still use the support network for parrot, but now you are in data recovery mode. 1) make an image of that disk and do not touch the disk anymore, 2) get some deep scanning software, and sacn the whole disk trying to recover
16:09<somiaj>the data. It is hard to say how much was destroyed when you copied your image over.
16:10<somiaj>chance's are you lost a lot of data, but image the drive, then deep scan it and see if you can recover anything.
16:10<somiaj>(any data that was on the same place your dd write wrote to is gone)
16:11<somiaj>and above, I mean scan the image, not the disk
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16:20<jc>might want to look into the sleuth kit and autopsy. http://wiki.sleuthkit.org/index.php?title=The_Sleuth_Kit_commands
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18:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:22<iStrive>hello all! Im trying to count all folders that start with a range of letters like [a-c], [d-f] and so forth, is there a way to do that using the find command? I only managed to do it one by one (a, b, c) with the following command: find . -maxdepth 1 -iname 'a*' -type d | wc -l
20:24<themill>find has -iregex and -regex
20:25<iStrive>you mean I should use 'a-d]*'
20:26<themill>find -maxdepth 1 -iregex '.*/[a-c].*' -type d
20:28<themill>but -iname does accept globs too
20:29<themill>find -maxdepth 1 -iname '[a-c]*' -type d
20:29<iStrive>got it!
20:30<iStrive>both worked!
20:30<iStrive>and seems faster than my original command
20:30<iStrive>clear
20:33<iStrive>using the | wc -l it counts the whole thing at once... is there a way to count by letter lice a=x, b=y, c=z?
20:36<themill>… | cut -c3 | sort | uniq -c (there's probably a more elegant way...)
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20:37<iStrive>let me try, I'm worried about making it pretty, as long as it works! ;)
20:38<themill>using find's «-printf '%1f\n'» then cut -c1 would be nicer
20:38<themill>err %f
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20:40<iStrive>the cut -c3... didn't work... and I didn't get the -printf sample!
20:45<themill>find . -maxdepth 1 -type d -printf '%f\n' | cut -c1 | sort | uniq -c
20:47<iStrive>man you'r good, wow!
20:48<iStrive>linux blows my mind!
20:48<iStrive>thank you so much for your time doing this! I really appreciated your expertise!
20:48<themill>no worries, have fun
20:50<iStrive>I noticed that it is case sensitive, is there a way to agregate both together?
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20:54<themill>iStrive: if you can promise you're only dealing with ASCII filenames, add "tr A-Z a-z" to the pipeline before the sort.
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21:13<iStrive>ok let me try that, sory I went away for a moment!
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21:15<iStrive>it did the trick! WOW, you are good indeed!
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23:59-!-testi is "Dietrich Helexien" on #docker #debian #hardware #debian-next #xrdp #roccat
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