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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-05-31

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00:54<Ouroboros>is rescue mode the only way to get a shell under netinst? will it mount the root fs as read-only?
00:55<jm_>no, you can boot installer normally and get a shell on tty2
00:56<Ouroboros>ah, right, now i remember
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01:05<Ouroboros>err, but how am i going to switch to tty2 when i am viewing this in some weird web console? no clue how to even begin to send ctrl-alt-f2
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01:08<jm_>don't ask me, I've used alt-left/right successfully to change a TTY via web console in some environments
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01:20<Ouroboros>ah, that is it, thanks
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01:28<Ouroboros>ok, but there are no drive devices in this shell, do i need to use rescue mode for that?
01:30<jm_>drive devices?
01:31<jm_>in general, rescue mode will be a better choice if you need to fix an existing installation, or better still, use something full blown like grml
01:32<Ouroboros>/dev/sda etc, i just want to do some basic operations on them, but not mount any fs
01:33<jm_>try to get further in the installer screen, and they will probably appear
01:34<Ouroboros>ah right, that makes sense
01:35<Ouroboros>sorry for the basic questions, it has been a while since i worked with this
01:35<jm_>no problem
01:38<somiaj>you may want a full live envioment (over the installers enviorment) if you want to do some more complicated work on a system.
01:38<somiaj>also if you are in expert mode, you can load additional udebs that could be useful, but still going to have a limited enviorment using the debian installer's shell
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01:50<Ouroboros>yeah, normally i would use live, but this is the only iso image that i have available right now
01:51<Ouroboros>it did detect the hdd, but not the cdrom for some reason... i suppose that is not necessary for the installer
01:54<Ouroboros>interestingly, there is "Intel Spectre v2 broken microcode detected" in dmesg, even though this should be fully updated
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01:57<Ouroboros>wait, never mind, there is cdrom too
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02:07<ray>hi
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02:21<mokone>good morning, is anyone available this morning? i need help here coz my system ain't responding the way it was suppose to after my update yesterday.
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02:25<jm_>!ask
02:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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02:30<Ouroboros>jm_: thanks, got this part done
02:30<jm_>Ouroboros: no worries
02:30<Ouroboros>now to actually install the thing :P
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04:05<dragon12>hello!
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04:07<dragon12>how can i reduce spamming my mailbox by mailing lists subscriptions?
04:07<DNS>unsubscribe? :x
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04:12<rudi_s_>Sort them to different mailboxes?
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04:12<arto>dragon: there are multipe spamfilters in debian repo, but as DNS said, unscucsribe as many you can
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04:34<jelly>dragon12: use a server side (eg. a sieve implementation like dovecot's managesieved / pigeonhole) or client side filter to sort lists into their own folders
04:35<jelly>spam filters deal with spam. Mailing lists you explicitely subscribed to are not spam
04:37<arto>jelly: you can define spam any address you like, but I agree most efficient way is to unsubcribe any list
04:40<arto>or to filter them to own folders, as been said
04:40<menace>can someone please name a debian package with a bsd simplified 2 clause license? i do not know how to look for it in the pkg db, but i want to check something regarding licenses in debian/
04:41<arto>menace: do a google search bsd license
04:42<arto>menace: debian does not change licences, and no one is supposed to do that
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04:44<themill>menace: https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=path%3Adebian%2Fcopyright+%5ELicense%3A.BSD-2-clause
04:44<menace>i know, but i want to know how the layout in debian/copyright looks like..
04:44<menace>ah, netcat-openbsd has one :)
04:51<arto>menace: it's just text file
04:52<menace>i want to package a software and i was not sure if the first character has to be a whitespace in the licensetext section.
04:54<arto>menace: I don't think that is relevant, you just cant change the text, whitespace as such does not change the license
04:56<menace>but lintian & co might complain :)
04:56<jelly>menace: are you going for https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ or not?
04:57<menace>in the end, yes. my first iteration will not be perfect, i assume..
04:58<arto>menace: I suspect that, if you don't do change to the text
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05:35<menace>now i have to look, how to build via cmake.. i suspect this will not be as easy as the copyright :D if you know a debhelper which does that now, i would really appreciate that.
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07:55<krauserii>I'm using a minimum net install and using openbox. I want to permanently disable the laptop screen so that it only shows up on my second monitor. I know how to do this for a session but I don't know how to make permanent. I have no xorg.conf although I know you can create but i'm scared i might screw something up. Isn't there any option?
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07:57<krauserii>other option*
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08:05<krauserii>used arandr as a front end, everything works as well but only during the session. Once i log out and come back, the laptop screen is on again and with my stuff opening on it.
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08:07<itd_>krauserii: If you are able to execute a script on login, you should be able to use xrandr to manipulate your screens.
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10:03<krauserii>I'm trying to generate a dynamic menu on openbox I was going to use obmenu-generator. Now, on debian, the installation is a bit different and i followed it step by step. Everything goes well, and i can create the dynamic menu. The problem is when I right click to open the root menu and the error 'invalid output from pipe-menu "/usr/obmenu-generator -i"' shows up
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11:11<dragon12>have anyone ideas how to run single command at boot?
11:12<petn-randall>!run at boot
11:12<dpkg>Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local
11:12<petn-randall>dragon12: ^^^
11:12<petn-randall>Though the first option should probably be removed and replaced with a systemd unit.
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11:54<jhutchins_wk>Apparently it's unreasonable for me to expect the Project Manager to keep track of the project status and know where we are and what needs to be done.
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11:55<petn-randall>jhutchins_wk: Looks like there's a chance for a promotion! ;)
11:57<jhutchins_wk>Heh. I'm doing the work. I don't think it's a promotion.
11:57<jhutchins_wk>Also apologies for being OT, I thought I was in a different channel.
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15:51<tendouser>hi
15:53<tendouser>my bluetooth needs firmware... how to install it? i use debian 9
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15:54<annadane>first, ascertain what firmware it needs - dmesg | grep -i firmware
15:54<annadane>send us that information to paste.debian.net
15:54<annadane>(need to be root, probably)
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15:59<tendouser>do i have to paste all the output there?
15:59<annadane>yes
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16:00<annadane>and then paste the link here
16:00<tendouser>http://paste.debian.net/1027489/
16:00<tendouser>yes asus laptop
16:01<tendouser>i already installed the wifi firmware
16:01<dragon12>have anyone ideas how to run single command at boot?
16:01<annadane>tendouser, pretty sure you need firmware-realtek, unless anyone knows better
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16:02<tendouser>yes my wireless card needed too
16:02<tendouser>non-free of course
16:04<retrospectacus>dragon12: lots of ways; generally it depends on the command.
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16:06<tda>dragon12: not sure, but i think you can use rc.local
16:06<dragon12>retrospectacus, http://dpaste.com/0NW5CHJ
16:06<Ouroboros>does stuff in preseed/late_command added to installer's boot kernel command line execute using the installer's networking?
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16:07<dragon12>retrospectacus, http://dpaste.com/0W7V47H
16:07<dragon12>rc.local is obsolete way
16:07<dragon12>i have placed this code in rc.local and it doesn't work
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16:08<annadane>i wonder if anyone's made a package yet which tells you what package (firmware) you need given the device
16:09<annadane>i never remember how to specifically tell what package is required
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16:12<tendouser>i googled the package but the package for my bluetooth i have already installed.... checked with apt
16:12<tda>i think all the firmware is in linux-firmware
16:13<tendouser>do you have i idea why is the kernel sending a firmware alert?
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16:15<annadane>i mean it is, but if you wanted to save space...
16:15<annadane>or objected to non-free components except things you really need to have to make something work
16:15<tendouser>since i installed my wireless is great but now i still cant get the bluetooth
16:16<annadane>sigh. hopefully in 20 years this all stops being an issue
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16:17<retrospectacus>dragon12: rc.local should work (remember to chmod 755), or you can use an "@reboot" cronjob
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16:18<Ouroboros><annadane> or objected to non-free components except | heh, quite the philosophy
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16:19<annadane>i mean, i don't install anything non-free in my system except microcode and emacs documentation
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16:20<tendouser>well i have an asus but my wifi was a mess before.... so i had to install the firmware
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16:21<Ouroboros>annadane: i am just saying, 'i am not going to do this... unless it benefits me or is convenient' :P
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16:26<dragon12>retrospectacus, thanks :)
16:26<dragon12>how can i get rid of this error on shutdown:
16:26<dragon12>a stop job is running for user manager for uid 117
16:27<dragon12>uid 117 -> Debian-gdm:x:117:123:Gnome Display Manager:/var/lib/gdm3:/bin/false
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16:28<retrospectacus>why do you think it is an error?
16:28<dragon12>i use nvidia-drivers with x11 session on gnome
16:29<dragon12>retrospectacus, sorry that's not an error but it is very irritating when i try shutdown my pc and shutdown hangs on this message
16:30<Ouroboros>possibly gdm is taking too long to exit for some reason?
16:31<dragon12>yes but i don't know why
16:31<Ouroboros>does it eventually exit?
16:32<dragon12>yes
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16:32<retrospectacus>probably some program you are running in gdm. You might be able to identify it
16:33<dragon12>how can i identify it?
16:33<retrospectacus>try a shutdown directly after startup without running anything. If there is no delay then it is something you ran. Repeat with running various single programs
16:34<retrospectacus>or try to get a "ps faux" output at the time that it's waiting, but would be quite difficult I think
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16:38<retrospectacus>personally I wouldn't care about that delay. I always use suspend to ram, and if I am shutting down, then just shrug and walk away
16:38<Ouroboros>possibly debugging output could be added to however the 'stop job' is implemented
16:38<Ouroboros>you could even strace it, i suppose, but good luck reading that billion-line output
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16:40<retrospectacus>run `while sleep 1; do echo; date; ps faux ; done >> /root/ps.log` on tty1 then shutdown and read that log later. See what is hanging around under gdm
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17:57<Winnetou>hey guys, I'm on a fresh Stretch install, trying to install a Nvidia GT 1030 according to Debian Wiki, like this https://paste.debian.net/1027509/.
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17:58<Winnetou>The only thing I'm getting is this error, though https://paste.debian.net//hidden/9ccf6e8f. I could use some help...
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18:01<Dark-Jedi>Winnetou: sudo apt-get install -f
18:02<Dark-Jedi>Winnetou: See if that fixes/installs any of the necessary packages.
18:02<Dark-Jedi>Good luck. Hope it works.
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18:07<Winnetou>apt-get install -f doesn't seem to have any effect. are there further suggestions?
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18:09<retrospectacus>Winnetou: can you show us the output of 'apt-cache policy'
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18:10<tvoss>o/
18:10<retrospectacus>tvoss: what up
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18:12<Winnetou>retrospectacus: ofc, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/6a483018
18:12<tvoss>I'm running into an issue trying to install libgdal-dev from unstable on a stretch system, being able to track it down to glib2.0-dev-bin depending on python3-distutils which seem to be obsoleted
18:13<tvoss>s/seem/seems/
18:13<retrospectacus>Winnetou: I think adding "contrib non-free" to your other (non-backports) lines in sources.list will help
18:14<tvoss>command failing is apt install -t unstable -y libgdal20=2.1.2+dfsg-5 libgdal-dev=2.1.2+dfsg-5 libgeos-dev
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18:14<bremner>tvoss: you shouldn't be installing binary packages from unstable and expecting it to work
18:14<retrospectacus>tvoss: mixing unstable and stable like that should not be expected to work
18:14<retrospectacus>pick one
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18:16<annadane>!don't break debian
18:16<dpkg>i heard dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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18:22<Winnetou>retrospectacus: I'm gonna bite my keyboard now and going to stand in a corner afterwards, thanks a thousand times. It's working perfectly...
18:23<retrospectacus>noice
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19:17<Ouroboros>how does the installer partition manager align partitions? e.g. how can one ensure alignment on 4KiB? is it based on the block size that the device reports?
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19:29<ach>you have an partittion table who stores the end and start sector or segment and row
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19:30<ach>so far you have an file who show's the specs visible
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22:31<lhvf>Hi, for Everyone! I already know that Wheezy is going to be archived until end of today. But I have a question, that I guess that I already know the answer for Hardware issues.
22:33<lhvf>My CRT Monitor of LG Vendor is blinling the Blue Led light, when booting first on Debian 7 Wheezy (with: Linux debnine 3.2.0-5-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.96-3 i686 GNU/Linux )
22:34<lhvf>Note: windows 7 doesn't have this problem, only Debian 7, neither Jessie or Ubuntu any version that I've used in my testes recently.
22:34<lhvf>*tests (typo errors)
22:35<somiaj>and what answer are you expecting?
22:36<somiaj>does this blinding blue light come before or after grub?
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22:38<lhvf>The origin: Is from the Kernel the issue, or a Hardware defect (as I have been found, already -- a capacitor may be stuffed, and need to be needs to be re-welded)
22:38<lhvf>?
22:38<lhvf>somiaj : Yes, it does after GRUB boot.
22:39<somiaj>lhvf: so why are you using wheezy if you have this bug? I don't really know what sort of solution can be found with that kernel. Have you tried the kernel from wheezy-backports?
22:39<somiaj>seems jessie works? Is there something specific about wheezy that makes you want to fix this issue in wheezy?
22:41<lhvf>somiaj : I've already made videos for illustrate the issue. And no, I'm not going to update to Kernel-Backports, because a Bug with my Graphic Card, for 3.16.x series, and NVIDIA 7025 /nForce 630a (fixed on 3.19.x -- Ubuntu 15.04 -- 14.04.3 equivalent).
22:41<lhvf>*already did
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22:42<lhvf>Reference GPU Lockups / Screen Corruptions Kernel 3.16.x for NVIDIA 7025 / nForce 630a: <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/1412602>
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22:43<lhvf>*NVIDIA GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a.
22:43<somiaj>well for the most part neither wheezy or jessie are supported any more, (wheezy lts is mostly unoffical support)
22:43<somiaj>I assume you also ahve a reason to not be running stretch?
22:43<Ouroboros>looks like the installer partition manager aligns on 1MiB, but it also did something stupid to the sizes, so now i probably have to start over
22:44<somiaj>lhvf: you could see if there is a newer kernel > 3.19 in wheezy-sloppy-backports (or something like that). You could also compile yourself a newer kernel if you need a newer version than you have to fix this bug.
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22:51<somiaj>nope, no kernels in wheezy-backports-sloppy. You will most likely have to compile your own kernel if you want to go that route.
22:52<annadane>quite an apt arrangement of releases at this very moment in history: wheezy going EOL as it wheezes, buster will bust your system for foolhardy individuals who don't want to use tried and tested stable :P
22:52<lhvf>somiaj : Stretch was good to me in Kali Linux 2017.1 (pre-Debia 9 Stable), also with Light image (XFCE), this one with a size width that fits better for the up to 2GB RAM width of an IA-32 NetBook (nowadays broken), on a unstable Linux Hardware Platform (GMA3600 -- not supported by OpenSource Linux Drivers (GMA500 ups instead on this Hardware), being good for it only MATE Desktop for Ubuntu base (Linux Mint MATE), with any effects, only transparency on MATE T
22:53<lhvf>*pre-Debian 9
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22:55<lhvf>somiaj, annadane : I'm going to Report a Bug for Jessie, on another same NVIDIA Graphic Card Model, next days. GPU Lockups like that: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/195348138/IMG_4796.JPG
22:55<annadane>i'm staying out of this, i'm only here to make stupid jokes
22:55<somiaj>still don't really see what your goal is. And bug reports on jessie aren't going to do much, espically for desktop issues. Offical jessie support is ending, and only server side stuff is supported by the lts team.
22:56<Ouroboros>what is the recommended size of /boot these days?
22:56<somiaj>Ouroboros: It should be able to hold a minimum of three kernels due to how autoremove works.
22:57<somiaj>Ouroboros: You could get away with probably 100megs, I have two kernels at 62 megs, but there needs to be enough room to install a new abi kernel if one comes out before removing the old one.
22:57<somiaj>though I'd recoomend around 250Megs just to be safe, unless you are really short on space.
22:57<lhvf>somiaj : Since Kernel 3.8 (Ubuntu GNOME 13.04 -- I don't like Unity Desktop -- it never was good to my Hardware Configuration since its beginning), this is being normally to occur on NVIDIA sort of Hardware, in some models.
22:57<annadane>i should probably consider LVM sometime
22:58<annadane>i mean really, there's almost no situations in which staying on wheezy is better unless you have to
22:58<somiaj>lhvf: I am failing to really see a debian support question here, and for the most part, this channel is for debian stretch support. I'm mostly just hearing issues you are having with various non debian distros.
22:58<Ouroboros>somiaj: ok, so 500MB should be plenty then
22:59<somiaj>Ouroboros: You shoudl be fine with that.
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22:59<somiaj>lhvf: but if your goal is to run wheezy due to your hardware and desires, and seems the old wheezy kernel doens't work,b ut also newwer kernels have bugs with your hardware too, I dont' really have any advise.
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23:01<somiaj>but maybe just compliing your own kernel and tailoring it to your hardware could be something to try, since you have seemed to try a wide range of distros, and debian versions.
23:01<lhvf>somiaj : I can use Jessie to deployment next days (June of this year and ahead), for my College in developments. And could install Stretch on a USB Flash Drive, initially, for testing purposes.
23:04<lhvf>One question: Jessie will not receive the needed attention in LTS? GPU Lockups are critical for 3.16.x series, and need to be fixed, at least with Kernel Backports on LTS shipped Jessie's Kernel (3.16): https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html
23:05<lhvf>*at least with patches coming from 3.19.x, if it's possible, indeed.
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23:09<lhvf>somiaj : Video (showing the problem): https://bit.ly/2kGtLGZ
23:10<lhvf>Expected comportment on Wheezy: https://bit.ly/2LLroyS
23:10<somiaj>lts is about security issues for server side stuff mostly. I don't think lockups that affects a small set of users on xorg are going to have much attention, unless you backport the fix yourself.
23:11<somiaj>I'm not able to get the videos to play, but I don't think I can offer any real help.
23:13<lhvf>somiaj : The Google Drive doesn't shows the video on the embedded player?
23:13<somiaj>'An error has occured'
23:13<somiaj>when I try to play it
23:13<somiaj>and I"m not that intersted in the issue to dive deeper
23:15<annadane>also, avoid link redirects in future like bit.ly
23:15<annadane>people aren't going to trust them
23:15<lhvf>somiaj : How to properly share Video on IRC? For me, it does work, accesing outside the Account openned.
23:16<annadane>it's not an official rule of the channel but i suspect it's better to just post full links
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23:16<Agus>hola
23:17<drakonis>hi
23:17<Agus>alguien?
23:17<annadane>!es
23:17<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
23:17<lhvf>*share a Video. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1GRh0iOGgetD3s3uKyaJCOo90FkFm98ES?usp=sharing (Without_problems).
23:17<somiaj>I really don't see what watching the video is going to do, I won't be able to actually fix the issue. If the issue still occurs with stretch and a modern kernel, that would be what to report a bug against to give you the best chance of maybe getting some support to fix it.
23:17<drakonis>!br
23:17<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
23:17<drakonis>hmm
23:17<Agus>are you speak spanis ?
23:17<lhvf>https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1LArGTB66sziQ4A9_zMvgjRlUzpN7WAKb?usp=sharing (With_problems) .
23:17<somiaj>but you aren't going to get much support in wheezy, and I don't think much with jessie either.
23:17<annadane>Agus, #debian-es
23:17<Agus>whats ?
23:18<annadane>canal en espanol
23:18<Agus>ok grax
23:18<drakonis>lhvf, go to #debian-br
23:18<Agus>#debian-es
23:18<drakonis>its easier if you don't use google translate
23:18<annadane> /join #debian-es
23:18<Agus>listo
23:18<Agus>gracias
23:19<Agus>alguien de aca es de Uruguay ?
23:20<drakonis>no?
23:20<annadane>Agus, debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org también si nadie responde en ese canal
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23:20<annadane>(23 pueblo)
23:21<lhvf>somiaj : The problem is: the Blinking Blue Led Light on Boot, hindering the showing of the image screen. It's occuring to Wheezy. But, accoring to what I've searched, and find on my results, it's a symptom of a near dead of the Monitor, and the needing to replace the capacitor on the CRT Monitor Board.
23:21<lhvf>*according
23:21<drakonis>oh boy,
23:21<drakonis>lhvf, why not ask on #debian-br
23:22<drakonis>you're there on matrix
23:22<Vit00>qq
23:22<drakonis>your english is somewhat confusing
23:22<Agus>im spek spanish but sow sow speak english
23:23<Agus>its good ?
23:23<drakonis>no it isn't
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23:23<Agus>:(
23:23<annadane>well, you can try asking in english if you like and we can try to help you, but generally the channel is in english so we can't use a translator to communicate if you must use spanish
23:24<Agus>i'm Uruguayan an you
23:24<drakonis>did debian jessie always have kde 4?
23:24<Agus>?
23:24<annadane>(although it isn't that much activity at the moment, i guess such a thing *could* be done...)
23:24<annadane>yes it did
23:24<drakonis>well damn
23:24<somiaj>drakonis: debian releases are frozen systems, things don't really change, except in rare cases.
23:24<Agus>this app is a big shit
23:24<annadane>kde 5 was out before jessie was released but i think it happened during freeze, or something
23:25<Agus>anna
23:25<Agus>de donde sos ?
23:25<somiaj>Agus: watch your language. Also best to try support in a channel suited to your language.
23:25<Agus>chupame la verga
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23:25<annadane>as i said before, if you want to ask we can try to help you, but you'll probably get better support in a spanish channel (or mailing list, which i linked above)
23:25<drakonis>he's being rude hmm
23:26<lhvf>drakonis : I'll try, but there (where I'm already joined), sometimes the people don't have the needed skills, don't give the needed attention or help, or don't helps all days with professional supporting.
23:26<Agus>son todos putos aca
23:26<annadane>if you email debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org they can help you, seeing as how the spanish channel only has 20 people
23:26<Agus>me voy a jugar fortnie
23:26<Agus>putos
23:26<annadane>sigh
23:26<drakonis>wow uh
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23:26<drakonis>what was the point of this
23:26<annadane>i have nothing against non native speakers but learn to bloody read
23:27<lhvf>I'm trying to write better each day. I'm not a native speaker of English (this is not my mother tongue). But it's not too difficult of what people write here (neither I need an Translator).
23:27<drakonis>neither it i smine
23:27<annadane>lhvf, i meant Agus
23:28<drakonis>it isn't mine either, but i try
23:28<drakonis>your current problem is that it is very stilted right now
23:28<drakonis>it doesn't flow well
23:28<drakonis>i'm not sure why Agus had to start being rude
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23:29<drakonis>my spanish is too poor for communicating anyways
23:29<Ouroboros>his spanish was not great either
23:29<annadane>dpkg, no, es is <reply> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat (o correo electrónico debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org).
23:29<dpkg>annadane: cannot alter locked factoids
23:29<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, annadane
23:29<annadane>oh well
23:30<drakonis>o welp
23:30<annadane>Agus's problem is not reading to anything anyone said, not their english
23:30<annadane>not reading anything*
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23:30<drakonis>they certainly did read my message when i said their english sucked
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23:31<drakonis>but then, i don't think there was a need to say things as s a d
23:31<drakonis>in spanish
23:34<lhvf>drakonis : I meant that I can be able to understand what you here write. I'm learning each day, studying English Grammars, to not to commit mistakes in the future. I've to shutdown, my father is enforcing me to stop use my PC.
23:34<annadane>dondelelcaro, may i suggest adding the email to the !es factoid, as the spanish channel only has 20 or so people
23:35<drakonis>right.
23:35<drakonis>well, goodbye
23:35<annadane>anyway, wheezy is basically not supported now, that's the issue
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23:35<drakonis>wheezy isn't supported, you might want to update
23:35<drakonis>i still find it weird that nobody notices i am not native
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23:36<annadane>i'm native and still make 485739847 spelling mistakes an hour
23:37<drakonis>wow :|
23:37<drakonis>i think that's weirder still
23:38<drakonis>i expect the natives to have better language skills than me
23:38<lhvf>drakonis : I will shutdown now. Tomorrow, I'll back again.
23:38<lhvf>quit
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23:39<drakonis>could've made a joke about robots now, but no
23:39<drakonis>a terminator joke.
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23:39<annadane>who _wants_ to run wheezy for a desktop :/
23:39<annadane>server, i'd understand
23:39<drakonis>:|
23:39<drakonis>sysvinit maybe?
23:40<annadane>they said it's because of whatever it was not working, or something
23:40<drakonis>perhaps under the assumption that newer releases wont run on old hardware?
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23:41<somiaj>never quite figured it out, seemed like they were hoping for support on their obsecure hardware issue plus desires.
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23:41<drakonis>that's someone from brazil by the way
23:41<drakonis>i assume this machine is circa 2007 mid-end hardware
23:41<somiaj>jessie had some bug, and stretch was only okay until it was released via kali 2017.1, but yet stretch was frozen at that time. So unsure what the actual goal was.
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23:43<drakonis>hmm, here i wonder something now, is there a list of cool pages within the debian project?
23:44<drakonis>debian.net and debian.org for reference
23:44<somiaj>define a cool page?
23:44<annadane>cool as in...
23:44<drakonis>i know there's uh
23:44<drakonis>debtags
23:44<annadane>!newcomer
23:44<dpkg>Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: https://debian-handbook.info/ Reference manual: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ FAQ: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ - reading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian is also a very good idea.
23:44<drakonis>there's a page with screenshots for every package
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23:44<drakonis>well, to be fair, i'm not a newcomer anymore
23:44<drakonis>by the way, the handbook is down
23:45<annadane>www.aboutdebian.com
23:45<drakonis>looks like raphael hertzog's server is down atm?
23:45<somiaj>you can install it locally
23:45<drakonis>i'm aware of that
23:45<somiaj>and the handbook is working fine here
23:45<drakonis>how weird.
23:45<drakonis>its down here
23:45<annadane>herzog's site itself is also good
23:46<annadane>https://raphaelhertzog.com/
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23:46<drakonis>down here too, what a disappointment
23:46<somiaj>sounds like a networking/firewall issue on your network, which isn't the same as down.
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23:47<drakonis>strange, everything works except for hertzog's website
23:47*annadane maliciously writes a "Why you should stop using Wheezy and join the modern world" article
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23:48<drakonis>the tls handshake is taking too long
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23:49<annadane>i should really step up my documentation game, i've been so lazy at reading
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23:54<drakonis>i don't get it now
23:54<drakonis>the only website that does get stuck on the tls cert is hertzog's
23:57<drakonis>http://collab.debian.net/ didn't know this was a thing
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23:58<annadane>me neither, that's cool
23:58<drakonis>that's what i mean with cool sites
23:58<annadane>some of the salsa (formerly alioth) pages are also interesting
23:58<annadane>yeah, unfortunately i don't know too many
23:58<drakonis>not every alioth page was moved to salsa yet
23:58<drakonis>so debtags is still broken
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