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00:00<drakonis>i installed debian on a vm and turns out
00:00<drakonis>all packages
00:00<annadane>er... that's what a reinstall does by definition
00:00<lhvf>Manjaro (the well known Arch Linux for beginners), is minimalistic, and one guy that I know, commited mistakes installing / uninstalling packages on it, and broken his Manjaro installation. He immediately uninstalled Manjaro after this occuring.
00:00<drakonis>well, does it?
00:00<drakonis>lhvf, it really isn't minimalisitc
00:00<annadane>back up what you want, any config files you want transferred, and then just wipe and start over...
00:00<drakonis>annadane, there's no command for doing that is there?
00:01<annadane>in a VM, not sure, depends on the VM
00:01<annadane>but no, not really
00:01<drakonis>what no
00:01<drakonis>i installed debian on a vm to check whether my inability to open the debian handbook online is due to some package
00:01<drakonis>so it happens to be such a thing
00:02<annadane>some VMs may have an option to reset from initial image, not aware of any though
00:02<drakonis>i want to do it on the host not the vm
00:03<lhvf>drakonis : *Arch Linux, should be minimalistic, or Antergos, ArchBang, don't knows certainly.. I don't use others Distributions than Debian. Tried SLAX old versions, and I have suffered all the time (Slackware base)..
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00:04<annadane>slackware's an odd case because it's the more simplistic distribution but you install whole packages, not split into things like -dev packages that debian has
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00:04<annadane>drakonis, sorry, can you just clarify your question, you want to reinstall the host but keep the VM image...?
00:05<annadane>don't really understand
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00:05<drakonis>okay so
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00:05<drakonis>i had some tls handshake issues with getting the debian handbook, so i created an vm to check whether it is something on the system's packages
00:05<drakonis>turns out it works fine on the vm
00:06<drakonis>so i want to reinstall all available packages on the host system
00:06<somiaj>!aptitude clone
00:06<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
00:06<lhvf>drakonis : I meant that I don't use other Distros than based or derived on Debian, such as Ubuntu GNOME or Linux Mint MATE.
00:06<annadane>yeah, aptitude clone will do it
00:06<drakonis>!debian clone
00:06<dpkg>One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>.
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00:06<dpkg>hmm... reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>.
00:07<drakonis>ah right here we go
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00:09<drakonis>this seems like fun.
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00:12<lhvf>drakonis, annadane: The video about the LG Monitor defect that I have promised: .
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00:13<lhvf>The my Monitor capacitor maybe is on its last days, and needed to be replaced in a near future.
00:14<drakonis>it is an old display
00:14<hdb2>how do you adjust your volume these days? I used to use alsa, but I'm lost now. running stretch
00:14<drakonis>you're using google translate arent you
00:14<hdb2>is it pulseaudio by default now?
00:15<drakonis>pulseaudio is the default
00:15<drakonis>it isn't that bad
00:15<hdb2>drakonis: so pavucontrol then?
00:15<annadane>hdb2, apt install pavucontrol
00:15<hdb2>drakonis: thanks!
00:15<annadane>i'm sure there's other ways but yeah, basically pavucontrol
00:15<hdb2>annadane: cool, that seems like the best way to do it. thanks
00:15<somiaj>most desktops have their own tool, pavucontrol is desktop indepdnent
00:17<lhvf>This is the related Forum Thread that I've found for the LED Light Blinking problem:
00:18<annadane>i'm honestly unsure what i even want for a desktop, i3 tends to provide the best of all worlds, people have made some really nice themes for it, fvwm is interesting but complex, i'd have to learn it to really utilize it
00:18<drakonis>your display is old, man.
00:18<lhvf>My CRT Monitor probably is suferring by the same problem, and needs a repairing, as I showed and reported on my videos yesterday.
00:19<drakonis>its not the same display
00:19<annadane>i'm sure i3 really shines on multiple monitors but i just don't have the desk space for it
00:19<drakonis>that's not an CRT display
00:19<drakonis>its an LCD display, its an different class
00:20<lhvf>I know, but related to the Forum Thread, this defect of blinking only occurs on the Monitor is 'warming' the image.
00:20<lhvf> I will buy a new Samsung LED Monitor 18,5'' compatible with Ubuntu 11.04.
00:21<drakonis>isn't this a little old
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00:22<somiaj>also this is #debian, so we should stick to debian support.
00:23<drakonis>i agree
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00:27<lhvf>*(off-topic) 11.04 -- My minimum Hardware exigence, for a system. Before this versions, that don't included yet Nouveau (neither even 'Nouveau Gallium' existed officialy on the Linux Kernel at that time), it was merged yet on the Kernel (2.6.38-x the first one with 'Nouveau' Driver).
00:28<lhvf>Phoronix announced this, at that time.
00:29<drakonis>why are you running out out of date releases?
00:29<drakonis>why not just run 18.04
00:29<drakonis>or debian 9/10
00:29<drakonis>linux's system requirements aren't going up as the years pass
00:30<annadane>well... it is
00:30<drakonis>the userland certainly does
00:30<drakonis>but the kernel hasn't spiked in requirements
00:30<lhvf>annadane, drakonis: Now, lets back to CRT Monitor problem. I'll have to open the Monitor hood, and see if it is with the capacitor stuffed.
00:31<drakonis>i think you're putting way too much thought on this
00:31<annadane>is the CRT monitor a support question, otherwise we probably should take it to #debian-offtopic
00:34<lhvf>annadane: I need to dintinguish if it is a Kernel fault (with Kernel logs included), or a Hardware fault. I'm assuming that it its a Hardware fault, according to all what I've read until now.
00:34<drakonis>you're overthinking this
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00:37<lhvf>drakonis: Ubuntu 18.04 I guess that I not would use it, at first glance. Maybe Kali, because things are more well configurated there, for GNOME. Unless I've a Skylake PC, and need the latest Kernel, suffering with Ubuntu Bugs, and having to constantly update the entire system.
00:37<drakonis>ubuntu is debian with a fancy paintjob
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00:38<drakonis>plus odd repository configuration
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00:38<drakonis>why would you run kali as a desktop
00:39<somiaj>also what does this have to do with debian support?
00:39<lhvf>And the facilities of Ubuntu, and for test the Kernel and packages version to version.
00:40<drakonis>lhvf, take it to debian-br, using machine translation isn't helping
00:41<drakonis>somiaj, idgi
00:41<drakonis>the machine translation makes it difficult to communicate correctly
00:45<lhvf>Kali Linux 2017.1 Light -- XFCE (it had ship the 4.9 LTS Kernel series included, and it was near the period ot be released on Stretch, is this) as I'm stated here before, and was not understood very well, was good for run on an old NetBook with Intel GMA3600.
00:46<somiaj>partly, partly is lhvf doesn't seem to have a paticular support question, outside of the fact that they have some obscure bugs with their old hardware, and use lots of different oses.
00:46<somiaj>lhvf: this is off-topic. Please stick to debian support.
00:46<lhvf>In such kind of Hardware, was only Stable, or well configurated on these systems : Kali, Linux Mint MATE and Debian-Live on my tests, and I was able ran them without suffering with Desktop Bugs. That's my experience at all, for test stability of Linux Distributions at all.
00:47<lhvf>I will back to my questions, and try to return to focus on the CRT Monitor problem. Some Kernel could be found on my Wheezy system, for ELTS?
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00:48<drakonis>why are you so obsessed with the CRT display
00:48<annadane>you can compile your own but probably you should upgrade from wheezy
00:48<drakonis>it is clearly broken
00:48<drakonis>wheezy is incredibly old, run stretch or buster
00:48<hdb2>annadane: didn't wheezy go EOL in the past week?
00:48<annadane>today i think?
00:49<somiaj>lhvf: your mointor is going, not much we can do. Plus you are using a non supported system, and ELTS doesn't support desktop side software.
00:49<hdb2>I knew it was coming up soon
00:49<annadane>except now there's extended long term support, or something, but yes
00:49<drakonis>ah, debian lts hmm
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00:49<annadane>no, ELTS
00:49<annadane>LTS ended
00:49<jc>lhvf, you could always take the old crt monitor out back and throw rocks at it.
00:49<annadane>so: stop using wheezy
00:49<drakonis>ah right
00:49<somiaj>hdb2: there is now an unoffical extended extened support for the group of sponsors paying for LTS support, limited to amd64 + server side software mostly.
00:49<drakonis>stop using wheezy, support is over
00:50<drakonis>another layer of lts support?
00:50<drakonis>how much are they paying for it
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00:50<somiaj>annadane: and the ELTS clearly states it is not using any of debians hardware, and the support for it is only for the sponsors who are paying for specific package support (which nicely helps debian devlopers)
00:50<drakonis>is this the civil infrastructure group?
00:51<lhvf>somiaj : Mine Wheezy is i386. So I'll forget the Bug Report that I was planning to do.
00:51<somiaj>drakonis: freexian, the same group that supports the LTS, but this is to continue support for the paid sponsors who want it without having to support all of debian.
00:51<drakonis>i'm aware about freexian
00:51<drakonis>raphael hertzog is the man
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00:51<luminas>are you a boy?
00:52<somiaj>lhvf: if you want support for the destkop use stretch. If you want to try to fix some of the bugs on your hardware, you may need to run buster and help the devs bu debugging this.
00:52<drakonis>another brazil guy
00:52<somiaj>luminas: that is irrelveiant and not appropriate.
00:52<drakonis>are you here to troll someone
00:52<drakonis>go to the telegram group
00:52<somiaj>drakonis: yea, seems there is a demand to continue support, i'm guessing for some large scale server setups not wanting to leave wheezy just yet.
00:52<luminas>drakonis,I'm a Taiwan boy
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00:52<drakonis>i just looked up the ip
00:53<drakonis>ah its taiwan but still
00:53<hdb2>somiaj: I'm kinda in that same boat - servers on wheezy. I need to get those to stretch asap
00:54<drakonis> this is neat
00:54<drakonis>they all run debian
00:54<drakonis>SLTS is the term we want here
00:54<somiaj>hdb2: maybe look into the extended support, unsure on the details, but most likley you'll have to update your sources.list, and switch to the 3.16 kernel.
00:55<drakonis>i don't get it
00:56<drakonis>why would someone join irc and then say this
00:56<somiaj>hdb2: -- looks like they are adding another year of support (due to funding) to give time to migrate
00:56<drakonis>extended long term support, neat.
00:57<somiaj>drakonis: just ignore the trolls and whatever happens to come here, you'll get use to it.
00:57<drakonis>like the supernets raids
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01:01<drakonis>so uh
01:01<drakonis>get server ban by saying it
01:01<drakonis>dont do it
01:01<somiaj>drakonis: you got incorrectly flagged, also don't hit enter so often.
01:01<drakonis>yes but i'm still banned
01:01<drakonis>this is my phone
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01:02<drakonis>so where do i get an admin to clear up?
01:02<somiaj>drakonis: you can check out #oftc, I also informed a staffer about it.
01:03<lhvf>somiaj : Again, Kernel 3.16, unless (as I has on my last usage a better experience with Debian-Live GNOME 8.9) with this combination: Linux Drivers (Nouveau Gallium) and my GPU, it causes GPU Lockups for my Video.
01:04<lhvf>somiaj : I need NVIDIA Proprietary Graphics Drivers for 3.16.x series. My last NVIDIA website visit, informed me that Proprietary Graphics Drivers is now Legacy for my model GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a.
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01:04<somiaj>lhvf: I understand that, but that older kernel is not supported for desktop side stuff. And there isn't much #debian can do the help out. You have already done enough debugging that the regular users here can't be of much help for the bug on your hardware.
01:05<drakonis>run the newer kernel versions instead of outdated releases
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01:06<somiaj>jessie does have lts support, but desktop software is mostly not supported. There have already been a few things that have lost support in jessie (Such as chromium)
01:06<drakonis>fast moving software tends to lose support
01:06<drakonis>see our good friend the init software
01:07<drakonis>then non lts linux kernel releases
01:07<lhvf>I would like to Report a Bug with goal of a fix, to the NVIDIA GPU Lockups on 3.16.x Series, but is being too difficult. I'll send an e-mail to Ben Hutchings, next days. He is the 3.16 Maintainer of this Series:
01:07<somiaj>lhvf: debian provides legacy drivers, in stretch the 304 and 340 versions are given. and it seems the 304 driver supports the 7000 series (your hardware)
01:08<somiaj>lhvf: don't send emails to matainers. File a bug report.
01:08<somiaj>lhvf: I doubt a jessie bug report will get much traction due to no longer having desktop support, but you could try.
01:09<drakonis>i don't understand why it has to be 3.16
01:10<drakonis>why still run wheezy instead of stretch
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01:11<somiaj>drakonis: they have old hardware, and older releases do run better on old hardare, which is fine, it just lacks support (and security support could be important)
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01:15<drakonis>ohhhh boy, i have almost 3000 packages to setup
01:15<lhvf>But Jessie, according to what I 'heard' here until the momenr, will be receiving attention only on servers.
01:15<lhvf> I will stick with Ubuntu GNOME 15.04, or 14.04.3, for see the patches, and the Kernel fixes, plus the (yet) needed inserting of GRUB special parameters options to avoid GPU Lockups (borrowed from a Fedora Bug Report on Freedesktop, that I had seen, searching explanations for what was occuring and how to fixes for it).
01:15<drakonis>this gonna take a while but i hope it solves my issues
01:15<drakonis>to be fair though
01:15<drakonis>nouveau is better on the latest kernel
01:17<somiaj>lhvf: -- that can help you identify what is being supported or not by LTS
01:18<lhvf>Is it worth to try to pursue to open a Bug Ticket for help Jessie for my GPU?
01:18<somiaj>lhvf: most the desktop stuff doesn't have to many security issues.
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01:18<somiaj>lhvf: but I know web browsers are one of the first things to loose support.
01:18<drakonis>which gpu do you have again
01:19<somiaj>lhvf: other things, it is a matter of time, the sponsors paying for this support give resources for more server side stuff, and I doubt a bug that affects a limited amount of hardware not being used by teh sponrors will get much attention.
01:21<lhvf>GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a. See this Bug (only an example of successful fixed (or almost) ) for the Linux Kernel Releases (3.19.x and some subversion):
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01:22<lhvf>Fixed on Utopic Unicorn, that shipped the 3.16.x Series, and received a patch, as needed.
01:23<somiaj>sounds like it is fixed in the stretch kernel.
01:23<somiaj>also you can get a newer kernel from jessie ins tretch backports (note this kernel won't have security support)
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01:25<lhvf>Many others Models, for my NVIDIA Controller or variants, needed the GRUB Patches for avoid GPU Lockups, all I searched give only related Bug Reports to Fedora as a results, on Freedesktop, as I've seen.
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01:26<drakonis>update your software
01:26<drakonis>nouveau is poor on the older versions
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01:29<somiaj>which has been said many times already, if you want support on the desktop side, I'd run stretch. Or if running jessie, use the backports kernel
01:29<lhvf>I need for my College the PgAdmin, and in the PC computers of their Labs, only version 4 is installed (Python and JavaScript front-end). Stretch is the only supported as well for PgAdmin 4 (neither Wheezy or Jessie are supported, either). On another Machine, I'll try Stretch on an USB Stick.
01:29<drakonis>then install stretch
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01:32<lhvf>The main purpose of still run Jessie, is for make Bug Reports for the my GPU. Or for test the improvements on packages (is also better use Jessie than Trusty Tahr, some packages are in advance).
01:34<lhvf>Note: I also uses Chrome, and need at least Jessie, nowadays, for still have this Browser support.
01:34<drakonis>then get jessie or stretch instead of the bare minimum
01:35<drakonis>i don't understand why are we having this conversation
01:35<drakonis>run newer software
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01:39<somiaj>lhvf: you have an older gpu that isn't that common, if it works in a newer kernel, (you said fixes were in 3.19) use a newer kernel.
01:40<lhvf>I'm using Wheezy now, only because of the past Bugs of the Kernel, causing GPU Lockups. I'll try Debian-Live 9.4 next days, for know about performance and stability for 4.9.x series. Maybe will need to try MATE Desktop, due the new GNOME System Requirements, to have a faster experience.
01:40<lhvf> I don't like much of the XFCE, despite of be really light, as I've seen on Kali Linux Light, on the problematic GMA3600 Graphic Card before, for test Desktop stability.
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01:42<annadane>using wheezy due to lockups... you can probably solve your lockups and use stretch
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01:44<lhvf>I will only try (not worth to try, if not possible to get a global fix for GPU Lockups, I've only tried at all to Report it on Debian BTS..) to file a Bug, for Document this issues on Jessie.
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01:45<annadane>what graphics card do you have?
01:45<annadane>if anything, you're probably _less_ likely to get lockups, if you use newer kernels/newer debian releases
01:45<lhvf>*not there is a problem or not worth in only try
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01:46<lhvf>annadane: GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a
01:46<annadane>so, nvidia, then
01:46<lhvf>I already stated this before.
01:46<annadane>well i obviously didn't see it or i wouldn't have asked
01:47<annadane>you can try installing the nvidia proprietary driver
01:47<lhvf>For Jessie, on LiveUSB Stick, firstly.
01:47<drakonis>lhvf, update your software
01:47<drakonis>run stretch
01:48<drakonis>now if you'll excuse me, it is 3am here
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01:49<lhvf>I'm sorry. I will see the possiblities, filing a bug for Jessie. If not be possible to fix it, Ben Hutchings will close my Bug Report anyway.
01:50<lhvf>And I want it to be Documented on Debian BTS.
01:50<lhvf>If not already is.
01:51<annadane>bug for lockup? the problem is you don't necessarily know why it's locking up, so it's hard to submit a bug
01:51<annadane>i'd personally blame nouveau before anything else
01:51<somiaj>or it is the bug they have already linked multiple tiems that is fixed in newer kernels. So use a newer kernel.
01:52<annadane>not that i blame nouveau, it's not their fault nvidia doesn't cooperate
01:52<somiaj>But you are just dragging this out, there isn't much more the current users here can do for your issue.
01:52<lhvf>It is like this: (Loosing the Keyboard Control, and having to resetting on button).
01:53<lhvf>Stretch seems to be good now for my GPU. I'll try out that.
01:53<annadane>at least with stretch you have access to basically the latest kernel with stretch-backports
01:53<annadane>just make sure if you move to stretch that you upgrade to jessie first
01:54<annadane>you can't go directly from wheezy to stretch
01:54<annadane>though i guess jessie probably has sloppy backports but seeing as how jessie is now LTS...
01:54<lhvf>My father is the people that don't authorized the dual-boot, because he bought a damaged HDD, and it hindered the MBR Table, needing to repair Windows 7 Startup several time.
01:54<annadane>best to maybe just go to stretch
01:54<lhvf>*on another PC free.
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01:57<lhvf>I sent a RMA for Seagate, and get a new HDD in Warranty last year. I can transfer the windows 7 installation of this for the new HDD (I still own the old HDD together, by the Seagate policies applied), and will try to make a dual-boot, next days (Jessie or Stretch). Mine PC is will be Wheezy yet.
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01:59<lhvf>GNOME 3.4 is faster for me, until now. Unless the GNOME Shell on Debian 8 / 9 get better and is faster last days..
01:59<lhvf>Maybe I've seen this performance improving on my Class 10 SD Card, last year.
02:00<lhvf>*several times
02:01<jim>do you boot other OSes or other versions of linux in addition to the one you boot now?
02:01<lhvf>Only have Debian 7.11 (with all Updates that I put on it by issue command: apt-get upgrade), and Windows 7 x86.
02:02<lhvf>I need both, for work.
02:02<jim>ok, how does the windows install compare? oh, this is 32 bit?
02:03<lhvf>jim : x86 is 32-bits.
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02:03<jim>yeah that's what I thougt
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02:04<lhvf>windows 7 (as it only has proprietary graphics drivers) don't has any problems, or presented the another issue of blinking led blue light, that I asked help.
02:04<jim>so it's faster than gnome?
02:05<lhvf>Not, don't see much performance difference. And after 4 Years and up installed, needs many Installation repairings.
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02:06<lhvf>My comparison is for an old version of Jessie (8.2) and GNOME Shell, not the what I rather prefer (GNOME Flashback), or MATE, yet.
02:07<lhvf>*My installation on windows (about repairings).
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02:08<lhvf>not the that
02:09<jim>so, are you sayuing that later versions of linux and gnome are slower, or potentially so?
02:10<lhvf>Yes, I guess. GNOME 3.22 maybe should now most heavy, not too fluid, needs some Accelerations by Hardware. I don't even tried yet, its a guess mine, only.
02:11<lhvf>don't even tried it yet
02:12<lhvf>KDE should lighter than GNOME 3.22 now, according to what I've read until the moment.
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02:13<lhvf>*should be lighter
02:13<jim>do you have enough disk space to completely duplicate your installation of debian?
02:13<somiaj>on older hardware like you have, you may want to stay away from the big named desktops together if speed is a concern.
02:14<annadane>you can do a lot with window managers if you learn how to use them
02:15<jim>reason I ask, is.,.. one way you could go from a guess to an experience, is you could duplicate your system and upgrade the copy, maybe all the way to jessie
02:15<jim>err to stretch
02:15<lhvf>Yes. I've already bought a new 2TB HDD, and if windows 7 eat more space on disk, I'll clone it to new HDD (Currently I've 1TB of HDD for dual-boot between Debian 7 and windows 7).
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02:16<lhvf>Only have KDE 4 and GNOME 3.4 installed at the moment, on this PC that I'm here writting now.
02:16<jim>for me 400gb is enough to hold my stuff over 15 or even 20 years
02:17<jim>so you could do it :)
02:18<jim>you just need to pull the trigger ;)
02:19<lhvf>windows 7 has a lot of updates, and AppData always eat disk space, anyway. For now, I'll not migrate to Stretch. I hope in the future, I will update to Stretch, if the things on browsing won't work, and Wheezy be still more obsolete.
02:19<jim>on your linux, what partitions do you have
02:19<lhvf>I will send you snapshot.
02:20<jim>that might be a hard send :)
02:21<jim>the point of my suggestions is so that you can compare them and experience the difference yourself
02:22<jim>and that new drive could let you do that... once you do that, you can blow away the copy
02:22<jim>I dunno your setup but maybe you could run apt-cacher-ng somewhere
02:23<lhvf>jim : Firstly, I will try Debian 9 on a USB Stick. After, I'll install, knowing that Stretch is really stable and fast for my Hardware.
02:24<jim>so that when you upgrade the copy, it will save the packages involved... then when you do the real upgrade, you don't have to download them from the mirror over and over again
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02:24<jim>but anyway, just an idea :)
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02:26<jim>lhvf, that sounds a reasonable way too
02:26<lhvf>Which software you would like to see the Snapshot of my current partitions (the name of the sofware)?
02:27<jim>df -h seems ok
02:27<jim>df -h | nc 9999
02:27<jim>that will pastebin it
02:30<lhvf>jim : Here is the output of the asked command :
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02:35<cool>dude 50000
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02:36<jim>looks like you have a 192g / and another partition mounted elsewhere (maybe not a system partition)
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02:38<lhvf>The another partition is the new 2TB HDD, of the new Seagate Barracuda Model with Firmware starting from 2016 (ST2000DM006).
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02:40<lhvf>I'll test it on Ubuntu Lucid (10.04.4) for compatibility purposes, because I've bought an model, and received other by Walmart.
02:40<lhvf> But the last one is compatible with Wheezy, and will have more time of support futurely
02:40<lhvf>This is the reson why this is plugged on Motherboras the 2TB HDD.
02:42<lhvf>I've bought the Model: ST2000DM001, but received the ST2000DM006. Seagate already said that the new model has all the attributes of the old.
02:43<lhvf>*the same attributes
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02:44<jim>ok... potentially, the drive should be compatible with all the debian release we've been talking about (wheezy, jessie, stretch)
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02:44<jim>and should work with buster too, and beyond
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02:45<lhvf>him : And Debian 6, not?
02:45<lhvf>I'm with sleep (on Brazlil now is 3AM almost 4AM). If there is some support, try tomorrow on the end of the day.
02:45<jim>I dunno :) do you have a debian 6?
02:45<jim>ok, have a good night
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02:46<lhvf>Not. I would use Squeeze the new HDD with 2TB of storage on Debian-Live from Archive, for testing purposes, only.
02:46<lhvf>*[...]on the new HDD[...]
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02:48<lhvf>jim : What time is in your town?
02:48<jim>about 10 minutes before midnite
02:49<jim>are you pretty far towards eastern brasil?
02:50<jim>lhvf, I'm pretty sure squeeze is just at
02:52<lhvf>jim : I'm from southeast of Brazil.
02:52<lhvf>As is being needed, petn-randall (an admin here) should unmute me here, for not have to use webchat anymore. Don't makes sense two accounts together (only for talks backup).
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02:53<annadane>well, ban evasion generally isn't smiled upon
02:53<annadane>didn't you talk about this before and asked him in this channel to unban you?
02:53<annadane>or mute, or whatever
02:53<jim>annadane, yes, and having heard you say that, he's been civil in his time here
02:54<annadane>yeah that's fair enough, i'm exacerbating this for no reason
02:54<lhvf>jim : Yes. Debian-Live Squeeze is on Archive.
02:54<jim>at least the time I looked in
02:54<annadane>i'm grumpy and should probably go to bed
02:55<jim>annadane, have a good night to you as well
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02:56<lhvf>annadane : I'm sorry. But still the back of this admin, I only have to drop him, anyway.
02:56<lhvf>annadane : He mutted me, not baned. I already discovered lurking.
02:57<lhvf>anndane: Sorry. I'll wait for him. Sorry, again.
02:58<jim>lhvf, I have no idea what the issue was that got you quieted... I just know you've been ok up to now
02:58<annadane>no, well, it's not my place to say, i'm not an admin
02:58<annadane>i'm not giving you a hard time over it
02:59<annadane>i've been on irc now for hours and hours and hours so i'm just a little hyperactive with my replies
02:59<annadane>typing for 8+ hours tends to do that
02:59<jim>makes you a faster typer too
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03:02<Yst>I need to set up a machine so that only one user is allowed to access the Internet. Does someone here know how to do that?
03:03<lhvf>jim : Its a long story. petn saw me quoting, warned me, and in my Riot Android Mobile App Client, I don't had seen the 'last warning' about quoting from him. Then, he mutted me.
03:03<lhvf>I don't need to be repeating it here, and only he (the admin that have been mutted me), can resolve the problem.
03:03<annadane>scold all the other users harshly except the one permitted ;)
03:04<annadane>(i don't know, sorry)
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03:13<lhvf>jim : Tomorrow, I'll enter here to night again. And, currently, I'm not planning to migrate to Stretch on my current plans. Only if Internet things won't to work anymore, as the Google Drive, or some Google Services, or if me suffer websites compatiblities be found, such as GitHub (such as Ubuntu 11.04 todays experience -- obsolete).
03:13<lhvf>Maybe in 2019 that will be true. Wheezy was special, but for NVIDIA not all the time was stable (GNOME losed many functionlaities in recent versions).
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03:26<lhvf>Goodbye to Everyone. Tomorrow I'll be back again.
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07:23<MyIgel>I have some problems configuring my preseed.cfg file to use a pointopoint connection over ens3, is this somehow possible? The netcfg/get_pointopoint option is not used by the installer so it stops with an error that the gateway could not be reached
07:28<MyIgel>is this somehow possible with an ens3 interface?
07:29<MyIgel>or how can i run a command before the network gets set up to configure it manually? the run command before partitioning seems to be to late
07:33<MyIgel>I know the issue from 2012 but it should be somehow possible to setup a pointopoint connection when the netmask is set to
07:33<judd>Bug in netcfg (open): «netcfg: Allow setup of pointopoint routes to reach gateway»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2012-12-02; last modified: 2012-12-04.
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11:47<su8n3t1q>hello! Looking for help with grub installer, any channels I should join?
11:53<somiaj>is this on a debian system?
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11:54<su8n3t1q>kind of yes
11:54<su8n3t1q>lmde 2 more precisely
11:54<somiaj>kind of?
11:54<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
11:55<somiaj>mint is not debian, so use mint support.
11:55<su8n3t1q>ok then
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11:55<su8n3t1q>its really just a general grub question though
11:56<somiaj>still, we don't support mint, use their support.
11:56<somiaj>maybe ##linux on can help with general linux questions
11:56<somiaj>##linux on
11:57<su8n3t1q>all right ill give it a try
11:57<su8n3t1q>thank you
11:57<somiaj>best of luck, hope you find the answers you seek
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12:02<su8n3t1q>cant even talk to channel
12:02<somiaj>did you join (different network)
12:02<somiaj> (so use to redirecting people here, not the other way)
12:03<su8n3t1q>was at
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12:05<somiaj>they may require you to register, go ask #freenode about their policies
12:05<su8n3t1q>ah working now! thx somiaj
12:06<su8n3t1q>oh no cant talk to this one either
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12:07<su8n3t1q>ok wtv, I'll just change os
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12:10<somiaj>nothign wrong with using mint if that is the distro you like, they have their own support community to support it.
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12:14<su8n3t1q>ya I know, but they dont know is too "technical" I guess
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12:17<su8n3t1q>somiaj: can I ask you a question about debian then? is it possible to upgrade the cinnamon desktop to a more recent one?
12:18<somiaj>in debian stable, part of what makes it stable, is it is a well tested frozen system.
12:18<somiaj>as such, big things like the desktop enviorments, you should stick to the well tested version debian provides.
12:18<somiaj>debian does provide some newer software, but usually things that aren't so big and require so many packages. Such as kernels, or software that is only a few packages that need to be newer.
12:19<somiaj>and these are provided to debian via stretch-backports
12:19<somiaj>!don't break debian
12:19<dpkg>dont break debian is, like,
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12:19<su8n3t1q>I see
12:19<somiaj>^^ is a nice read, and contains info about how to install newer software in debian. In general though desktop enviorments are very big, interconnected stuff, so even most the ideas there wouldn't work for cinnimon
12:20<somiaj>some choose to run debian testing or unstable to get newer stuff but still be running debian, but they also get the joy of dealing with way more bugs and not as much testing.
12:20<su8n3t1q>I understand
12:21<su8n3t1q>The problem is the choice jaja
12:21<su8n3t1q>haha *
12:21<somiaj>my suggestion is though we need users to test debian and help make the next release better, don't run debian testing unless you are somewhat familar with how debian works.
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12:22<somiaj>yea, lots of choice in the open source world. I like it, but I dont' use any DE, I use a small wm and take the time to install and configure my systems to work the way I want them to.
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12:23<su8n3t1q>That's probably the best way. what the window manager ur using?
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12:23<somiaj>I use fvwm
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12:24<su8n3t1q>thats sexy
12:24<su8n3t1q>can you use GUI programs?
12:24<su8n3t1q>like hexchat for example
12:25<somiaj>yes, a wm lest you use gui programs, but I don't use many
12:25<somiaj>mostly I use multiple xterms
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12:26<su8n3t1q>sounds more like something id like
12:26<su8n3t1q>very basic
12:27<su8n3t1q>terminal and a browser, not that I dont like elinks but its a bit complicated
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12:30<su8n3t1q>ok well thanks somiaj I have some thinking to do now!
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12:31<somiaj>with browsers I suggest firefox or chormium (only ones with full security support in debian)
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12:31<somiaj>there are lots of webkit based browsers that are more minimial, but browsers suffer from security issues all the time, and debian security team doesn't support webkit due to the workload involved
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12:38<su8n3t1q>ok good to know
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12:40<su8n3t1q>so you install debian minimal with no de, then fvwm. Will I be able to use 2 monitors kinda plug and play?
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12:40<somiaj>fvwm doesn't support RandR, so multi monintor support takes some extra work.
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12:41<somiaj>many who don't want to dive into the fvwm config file, usually end up prefering openbox or i3 as their wm.
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12:43<su8n3t1q>ok, lots of good info!
12:43<su8n3t1q>I'll look into it
12:43<somiaj>I have to manually run xrandr to add a second monintor, then restart fvwm (only way to get fvwm to recongize the second monintor)
12:44<somiaj>though this is if you want to be able to add/remove them as you go. If you have a static setup, jsut configure xorg.conf for multiple monintors and fvwm will see them at the start
12:44<su8n3t1q>Should be static, I have a pi with raspbian and a touchscreen for the road, plus a laptop for everything else
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12:47<su8n3t1q>The one with the grub issue is the tower. Would like debian stable as it would do backups from servers on lan, but had issues with monitors and changed to nvidia binairies to end up with black screen on boot
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12:48<somiaj>su8n3t1q: how did you change to the nvidia drivers?
12:48<su8n3t1q>install nividia-drivers or something like that
12:48<somiaj>you may want to not boot directly into xorg, and debug what isn't working, but nvidia drivers work fine here
12:48<su8n3t1q>I have a shitty memory, especially when I play script kiddie and copy paste everything
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12:49<su8n3t1q>whats ur card?
12:50<su8n3t1q>nouveau made debian crash when ajusting resolution of 2nd display. many many times
12:50<su8n3t1q>I thought that installing the debian non-free would take care of drivers as well
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12:51<somiaj>I have been using the nvidia drivers on lots of hardware for 15 years or so, currently I have a 780 GTX
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12:52<su8n3t1q>ok well if its working on many cards, I guess chances are that I should be ok too
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12:53<somiaj>I find the nvidia driver decent, and works if you install it correctly. PRoblem is when it doesn't work it is hard to debug and most linux devs wont' touch it.
12:53<su8n3t1q>the proprietary ones?
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12:55<somiaj>the biggest issue with them is they are non-free and it makes it impossible to debug issues with them and the kernel dev's don't like this. Also if you want to only use free software that is a pain too.
12:55<somiaj>besides for that issue, when they work, they do work fairly well
12:57<su8n3t1q>That's what I am aiming for. But sometimes I need a proprietary one like this one. On the laptop I dont use anything closed source but I want 2 displays on the tower to work correctly..
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12:57<su8n3t1q>So take 2 with debian cinnamon for the tower
12:57<su8n3t1q>with nvidia prop
12:57<somiaj>I use intel on all my machines except my desktop, which I use for gaming and have found nvidia to work for me (even though it is non-free)
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12:58<somiaj>I would really like them to open it up, but that fight has been going on since I started 15 years ago, and hasn't gotten anywhere.
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12:58<su8n3t1q>Ya if I could do without I would, I dont game so its not a problem. As long as I can use both screens Im happy!
12:58<su8n3t1q>They wont
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12:58<su8n3t1q>too much money involved
12:59<somiaj>the money is in the hardware, they just have to as a company want to support an open driver.
12:59<su8n3t1q>ur asking a corporation to make the choice between money and ppl? kinda obvious where its gonna end up
13:00<somiaj>but it isn't like radeon is that much freer, sure the driver is open, but it requires non-free firmware.
13:00<su8n3t1q>Well, open means competition can look at it
13:00<su8n3t1q>as well as everyone but more importantly competition
13:01<su8n3t1q>I see why they dont do it. They should though, but ya gaming on linux is at a very young age. Playonlinux is pretty bad, steam for linux is far from the games you get even on steam windows..
13:02<somiaj>I've been gaming on linux for 15+ years, it is possible, but most game dev's don't support linux, that is the issue, not that it can't be done
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13:03<su8n3t1q>Oh it certainly can. I tired starcraft this week, just for remembering the good old days. Had to get a windows 10 vm to run it
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13:03<somiaj>starcraft work just fine in wine.
13:03<su8n3t1q>With the installer?
13:04<somiaj>do you mean starcraft2?
13:04<su8n3t1q>I just dont have the cd
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13:04<su8n3t1q>But paid for it a while ago and have it in my account
13:04<somiaj> works fine too
13:04<su8n3t1q>I tried, didnt work for me
13:04<somiaj> -- has a platinum rating
13:05<somiaj>though often you need a newer wine, and to do some configuring and tweaking. Might not work 'out of the box'
13:06<su8n3t1q>It didn't work out of the box
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13:07<su8n3t1q>Anyhow, I played for 2 days now im tired haha
13:07<su8n3t1q>So back to re-installing debian
13:08<su8n3t1q>gonna go now somiaj, thanks a lot for your help!
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15:33<Zathras>Hi. I am trying to get streaming to a Chromecast/Miracast device working. Chromium cannot find the device for some reason. Next I tried but unfortunately there is no .deb and even installing through pip give issues of missing dependencies
15:33<Zathras>is there an other way to get this working or at least have a scanner to detect the device?
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16:05<Streker>what the heck
16:06<Streker>Is anyone on
16:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
16:07<Streker>who is on
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16:07<annadane>Streker, see the above
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16:07<annadane>just ask your question
16:08<Streker>I dont have 1
16:09<Streker>Is anyone on anymore
16:10<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on or ##chat on
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16:11<Zathras>is freenode down?
16:11<annadane>Zathras, not for me
16:12<Zathras>ok. ty.
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16:13<Zathras>for me it is. Connecting to ( <-- fails
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16:17<jc>freenode is up for me, too.
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16:17<annadane>sometimes you may need to /quit and /connect again
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16:40<Zathras>isn't chat a proxy to various servers which are more or less related to the region of your provider? (In my case north-westen Europe)
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16:41<Zathras>now chat is proxying me to another unreachable server: (
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16:42<Zathras>anyone any experience with casting Debian to a Chromecast/Miracast setup?
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19:30<psyndrome>I always have one problem with Debian
19:31<psyndrome>It's too cool for me :D
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20:11<bassie>any ideas, why my swap file isn't kickin' in?
20:11<somiaj>what do you mean by kickin' in?
20:13<bassie>memory up to 100% and swap file only 1%
20:13<somiaj>that is probably normal
20:13<somiaj>!free memeory
20:13<somiaj>!free ram
20:13<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
20:13<somiaj>bassie: what is the output of free. Paste at
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20:14<bassie>flashplayer needs it.........
20:14<bassie>how to paste it there
20:15<somiaj>flashplayer? Now i'm confused. Just goto and copy/paste, or use
20:16<dpkg>A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
20:16<somiaj>or use this,
20:16<dpkg>termbin is probably you can paste to from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc 9999
20:16<mnuhmnuh>somiaj: you are confused. they say flashplayer needs swap.
20:17<somiaj>mnuhmnuh: I mean I don't know why flashplayer needs swap. But the output of free may clear things up
20:17<somiaj>flash works here with no swap
20:17<bassie>newbe to linux- do I use terminal to copy/paste for you something
20:18<somiaj>bassie: I had the bot tell you two different ways to go about it.
20:18<somiaj>the second shoudl work without installing anything
20:19<mnuhmnuh>bassie: yes. point at start of cot, drag to end with pointer held down, then move mouse to browser, paste (middle button, ctrl-v, ...).
20:21<mnuhmnuh>but yes, get pastebinit. works great. "any_command | pastebinit"
20:22<somiaj>or netcat (nc) it to 9999
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20:26<b17>bassie: doing fine for a newbie, you got irc working, way to go.
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20:27<somiaj>bassie: free | nc 9999 -- and then share the link you get.
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20:32<bassie>please kill me, but something I'm doing wrong here: bassie@mx:~
20:32<bassie>$ sources.list
20:32<bassie>bash: sources.list: command not found
20:32<bassie>$ pastebin
20:32<bassie>bash: pastebin: command not found
20:32<bassie>$ aptitude install pastebinit
20:32<bassie>E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
20:32<bassie>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
20:32<bassie>$ su
20:32<bassie>root@mx:/home/bassie# aptitude install pastebinit
20:32<bassie>The following NEW packages will be installed:
20:32<bassie> pastebinit
20:32<bassie>0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 15 not upgraded.
20:32<bassie>Need to get 43.6 kB of archives. After unpacking 322 kB will be used.
20:33<bassie>Get: 1 stretch/main amd64 pastebinit all 1.5-1 [43.6 kB]
20:33<bassie>Fetched 43.6 kB in 0s (98.6 kB/s)
20:33<bassie>Selecting previously unselected package pastebinit.
20:33<bassie>(Reading database ... 311952 files and directories currently installed.)
20:33<bassie>Preparing to unpack .../pastebinit_1.5-1_all.deb ...
20:33<bassie>Unpacking pastebinit (1.5-1) ...
20:33<bassie>Setting up pastebinit (1.5-1) ...
20:33<bassie>Processing triggers for man-db ( ...
20:33<bassie>root@mx:/home/bassie# pastebin
20:33<bassie>bash: pastebin: command not found
20:33<bassie>root@mx:/home/bassie# pastebinit
20:33<bassie>dmesg | pastebinit
20:33<dpkg>A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
20:33<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, termbin is you can paste to from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc 9999
20:33<bassie>free | nc 9999 --
20:33<bassie>free | nc 9999
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20:36<b17>bassie: you're going to have to be careful or you'll end up with a broken system
20:37<b17>go slow
20:38<bassie>b17 I can't even get this one right
20:38<b17>yeah you can, but log out of root for now
20:39<b17>you can just exit an xterm or whatever
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20:41<bassie>b17 I'll restart- that's all I can dio :)
20:42<b17>bassie: i see your hostname is mx if you're not on debian there might be a better place to get help, good luck don;t give up
20:42<somiaj>bassie: also please don't paste so much to the channel, use a pastebin.
20:42<somiaj>and yea, if you aren't running debian, this isn't the place to be
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20:44<bassie>the problem is: I've tried already everything to play only one game on facebook and only windows 7 is doing well for about 2 minutes and crashing#
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20:45<bassie>--- I don't want, that buying a new computer MUST BE THE ONLY F. thing to do left
20:45<b17>take a break, think about it for half an hour, go outside. It' ok
20:46<bassie>b17 I've spent 2 years to get so far
20:47<b17>well, they keep changing stuff you learned before
20:47<bassie>they changed from windows xp and I hate them
20:48<bassie>it was working super untill then
20:48<b17>it's ok, linux can save old machines i have two or three
20:49<bassie>and now you only use I7 core or more, I SUPPOSE
20:49<b17>haha no the fastest machine i have is an amd sempron it's sort of like an early celeron
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20:50<b17>half of an athlon
20:52<b17>bassie: run a live usb for awhile maybe i did that for a long time
20:53<bassie>B17 could you give me exact terminalcode to paste it in terminal and I post it on
20:53<bassie>187 programms running
20:54<b17>i'm so dumb i just use the mouse and left click on the stuff and then got to in a browser
20:54<b17>hmm, maybe that's right click and drag to mark
20:55<b17>no it's left click sheesh
20:55<bassie>the task menager doesn't even allow to copy anything
20:56<b17>yeah i know it's tricky, but it will get easier
20:57<bassie>no file there on my hard drive?
21:07<bassie>thank you for help
21:07<somiaj>bassie: are you running mx linux?
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21:08<somiaj>then this is not the support channel for you, I do understand you want to get it to work, but for both techencial and social resions, this channel only supports debian pure blends, and linux mx is not debian.
21:08<bassie>somiaj yes- I got here somehow
21:08<somiaj>there is ##linux on that is a place that supports linux in general.
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21:09<bassie>somiaj what is it, that I'm running
21:09<somiaj>bassie: because these based on debian distros don't change the debian defaults for their irc clients, so it does pop you in here, but that doesn't chnage our policy of only support debian pure blends.
21:10<somiaj>you are running a different distro (that is based on debian, but is not debian). As such they may have changed things, and #debian doesn't like to keep track of every change every thrid party distro makes, so it makes it harder for us to support it. As such the techencial reason is, the issues you have could be due to something paticular about mx linux.
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21:13<bassie>Somiaj So give me some other linux to run google and ppapi plugin in google to run on a computer with 2 cores and not crashing
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21:14<somiaj>bassie: We here support debian stretch. It is a fairly stable system, but flash is dead (end of life in 2020), and debian doesn't fully support it either.
21:15<somiaj>bassie: I use google-chrome, which makes debian packages, and flash works jsut fien for me in google-chrome, but that really isn't supported by debian. You can also get the plugin from adobe, but as someone new, it isn't going to be that simple to install and use with your current setup.
21:15<somiaj>and in any case, this is advise I would give for debian, I don't know what linux mx has done (sometimes they package this stuff and make it easier for users)
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21:22<bassie>somiaj I don't want to argue with anyone, But MX Linux has a lot of more to bid than for ex. linux mint 2 google has already one built inside to install it, I 'd find the way or good guys like you could help me too and I think you must unpack and install *.SO files for adobe
21:23<somiaj>sure, in the linux world you have a lot of choice, linux mint (not debian), ubuntu (not debian), mx linux (also not debian), and you should choose what you like the best. I actually want you to choose the distro that best suits your needs.
21:24<somiaj>But in the end, your choice also includes the support community, so choosing anything except debian stable (and there are some hurdles to get over with debian stable due to debians policy on free vs non-free and its a frozen system (older packages)) that may make it not right for you. But then you should use appropriate support avenuse for the choice of software you made.
21:24<somiaj>why I mentioned ##linux in, as a general place for genric linux support, and there is a decent community there who want to help people with linux, no matter what distro.
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21:25<somiaj>but I would just download google-chrome, it is already enabled with flash (though you may have to click yes, I want to use flash to use it)
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21:28<bassie>somiaj talk strait ;) you talk to me as I were 100 years in programming business
21:30<bassie>so now what: which linux, debian or not debian should I download to be updated with everything and packages and so on?
21:31<somiaj>I don't know what is best for you. Debian stretch is what is supported here, and if you want to use this support community, we recommend debian stretch.
21:32<somiaj>Debian stretch may not be as 'newb' friendly has say ubuntu, mint, or even mx linux (I don't know what mx linux is). But if you have an issue with mx linux, you need to use their support.
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21:33<bassie>somiaj # Use with Debian Stable/stretch repositories. Set as default for antiX-17. Note new repos
21:33<bassie>deb stretch main
21:33<bassie>#deb-src stretch main
21:35<bassie>somiaj user friendly??? doesn't matter
21:36<bassie>somiaj support? you gave me a support
21:36<bassie>somiaj if in germany I buy you a very big bier
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21:40<bassie>somiaj which image ????? a small a what venor?
21:41<bassie>... vendor?
21:41<somiaj>!firmware image
21:41<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See and ask me about <install guide>.
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21:42<somiaj>I would use that link, and get the firmware image, this way if you have wifi, you have the non-free firmware and it won't have to deal with one of the first hurdles in debian, the non-free firmware is not packaged with the free open kernel.
21:42<somiaj>that image will then allow you to download the rest of what you need from the internet (assuming you have a decent network)
21:46<bassie>somiaj Aspire5920 amd64arm64armelarmhfi386mipsmips64elmipselppc64els390x Amd64?!! or the otherones?
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21:51<b17>amd64 is good, how big are the biers in germany btw?
21:52<bassie>b17 bigger, than you can trink :)
21:53<somiaj>bassie: amd64 is most likely what you want on most modern pc hardware (either standard intel i3, i5, i7) or amd hardware (even older core 2 duo's support amd64). You would need very old hardware to want to restrict to 32bit (i386)
21:53<bassie>b17 you gave me a site, so you all don't need pastebin anymore?
21:53<somiaj>and here I"m talking standard pc hardware, though arm is become way more popular.
21:54<somiaj>bassie: they just looked up your machine, amd64 is what we would sugegst.
21:54<bassie>somiaj- I didn't know, what the other ware
21:55<b17>the install guide is here, don;t skip it... and the release notes
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21:56<somiaj>bassie: debian supports a lot of hardware, and they are for other hardware. You don't really need to know what they are now since your hardawre supports either amd64 or i386, and we suggest amd64.
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21:57<bassie>somiaj b17 If I were 0.001 so smart as you guys are, would save mind. 10.000 of people a lot of money
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22:02<bassie>somiaj ISO file with all updates or should I install them all
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22:06<sahar69>hello, is it possible to install gcc7 on debian 9?
22:07<bassie>somiaj; b17 how to install? on my partitions, or use kill disk, create new MBR, OR JUST LEAVE IT THIS WAY??? I have some I/O Errors and with MEMTEST there where a lot of them....???
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22:19<b17>bassie: i would not use a machine with memtest errors, has to be fixed
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22:22<somiaj>bassie: if you are having memeory errors, I agree with b17
22:24<b17>bassie: when did you test the ram and why all the sudden we get that info?
22:27<bassie>some days ago- you now mean there is a virus if you have any errors?
22:28<b17>i'm saying a memtest is a good idea, as a newbie I think that is great you did that.
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22:28<b17>you should fix that before installing anything
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22:28<bassie>why you get this info? because I want clean install
22:29<b17>failing memtest is a hardware error, software can't fix that
22:31<b17>bassie: it's really odd you did not mention that between biers or something.
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22:32<bassie>b17 it's 4:32 am in germany
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22:33<bassie>b17 16000 errors and I stoped the memtest
22:33<b17>bassie: when you ran the memtest and saw the errors, did you not look it up then? what time was it then?
22:33<somiaj>yea, it could be that this bad memeory was your problem all along with linux mx
22:33<somiaj>no bad memeory is hardware failure
22:34<somiaj>it could be the memeory bus vs the memeory, but it is hardware, not software.
22:35<bassie>it works- I ALSO FOUND SOMEONE BEFORE HAD THIS computer and there were 120 partitions already written, but almost very good overwritten
22:36<bassie>somiaj- only way to replace everything?
22:36<somiaj>well if it is just the memeory, you can replace just the memeory
22:37<bassie>somiaj- it costs too much
22:38<somiaj>memeory isn't to expensive, but there really isn't much we can do about bad hardware.
22:38<blast007>could start with just unplugging the computer, taking the RAM out, blasting some compressed air in the slots, putting the RAM back in, and then run memtest again for 24 hours and see if you still get errors
22:39<bassie>somiaj can't you repair this errors?
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22:39<blast007>it's a physical hardware issue
22:39<somiaj>the repair is get new ram.
22:39<bassie>blast007 bfu..
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22:40<somiaj>though as blast007 mentioend, maybe it is just a bad connenction, but most likely that is not the case.
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22:40<bassie>somiaj, so how did I bget those errors? with overheating or it was already so?
22:41<somiaj>ram goes bad, heat could have been the issue, but the result it is bad.
22:41<bassie>somiaj, but not 16000 in 5 minutes?
22:41<blast007>16000 what? errors?
22:41<bassie>hallo blast ram errors
22:42<blast007>yeah, that's not a good sign :)
22:42<blast007>but try what I said regardless
22:42<b17>old ddr is hard to seat, I have to wiggle mine every yr or two.
22:43<bassie>I worked for this laptop whole sommer long digging 2 meter deep hole
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22:43<b17>2 meter hole took alll summer? dang you need a better shovel
22:43<somiaj>the area of the cross section was not mentioend
22:44<bassie>no software there, or is it so often used just like writing pagefile to usb?
22:45<bassie>is it good to write cache on usb-stick (also) in linux distro anyway-- meaning: 1000 overwrites and usb in the trash??
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22:47<bassie>b17 40 meter long
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22:47<bassie>b17 stones water everything
22:48<mnuhmnuh>bassie: i've never seen one fail. bought four in 2008, use em not much, but long time now, still good.
22:48<somiaj>bassie: hardware goes bad, memeory is one of the more common things to go bad.
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22:50<b17>i got a motherboard i keep working with toothpicks as a lever on the ram, try it.
22:50<bassie>I asked you guys: sinds there are so many ram errors checking with memtest, sinds I use some 7-8 fresh installations of linux, could there be a virus???
22:50<b17>but ryeah really it has to pass memtest
22:51<bassie>b17 toothpicks?
22:51<somiaj>bassie: no. It is not a virus, it is bad hardare.
22:51<somiaj>(or something finiky about your hardware)
22:52<b17>bassie: the ram is maybe not making a good connection in the slot. you can clean it like blast007 said, and maybe switch them around, stick them half way in, etc...
22:54<b17>if you want to keep your old computers going these things are basic really
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22:54<bassie>B17 THANK YOU ... but why the memtest is showing those errors? when there is no contact, I think, they shouldn't suppose to work at all ? :)
22:54<b17>look it up
22:55<bassie>b17 16.000 errors with bad contact, hmmmm :)
22:56<b17>40 meters @ 2m deep, all summer, hmmm
22:56<bassie>b17 very hard
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22:56<b17>yeh, thanks for the entertainment
22:57<somiaj>bassie: you don't seem to be understanding, the hardware is reporting errors and is most likely bad. You have been given some suggestions on things you could try.
22:57<bassie>b17 do you think, I'm kidding?
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22:58<bassie>somiaj I'll do exactly as you guys told me
23:01<bassie>somiaj is the memtest result saved to some file in the root or somewhere to get a look on after the test been done on next logon??
23:02<somiaj>not usually, you'll have to rerun the test, but if you get any errors, the memeory should not be trusted.
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23:04<bassie>somiaj to be trusted? can I not overwrite the memory with 0000000 like a hard drive, or what do you mean?
23:06<blast007>if you still get memtest errors after reseating the RAM, you'll need to replace your RAM
23:07<bassie>blastbond how to resset?
23:07<blast007>unplug power from the computer, take the RAM sticks out of the computer, blow compressed air into the RAM slots to clean them, put the RAM sticks back in
23:08<blast007>if it's a laptop, also remove/disconnect the battery to be safe
23:08<bassie>blast007 I did
23:09<blast007>you already removed the RAM, cleaned the slots, and put the RAM back in?
23:10<bassie>blast007 what about I/O ERRORS?
23:10<somiaj>not sure what you aren't getting. Your ram is reporting errors, this means it is most likely bad, though blast007 has some suggestions to ensure it isn't just a fluke due to a bad connection.
23:11<blast007>if you took the RAM out and put it back in, then run memtest for 24 hours and see if the errors have gone away
23:11<blast007>if you get errors, buy new RAM
23:14<bassie>BLAST007 I'll sell it to you for 10
23:14<b17>you dug a 40 meter hole two meters deep for 20 euro?
23:14<bassie>he promissed me some more money
23:15<b17>i won;t say you're lyin, but I will say you gell a good story
23:15<bassie>he fucked me deep in my ass
23:15<bassie>friends, you know, but he gave me to eat
23:16<somiaj>bassie: please don't use caps, it is as if you are yelling and can be considered rude. Bad hardware is unforuntate, but running a system with bad ram will only lead to frustration.
23:16<somiaj>bassie: keep it family friendly, if you use language liek that you'll be banned.
23:16<somiaj>and you are seeming more like a troll than someone actually wanting support or help.
23:17<bassie>I'm not yelling but it is on, when it is on
23:17<bassie>Itype with one finger so capslock
23:17<b17>not a troll it's a newbie
23:17<bassie>b17 is provocating me
23:18<b17>story about big hole, wow that was good
23:21<somiaj>well the problem with the hardware was identified a while ago, not much anyone can do about it or your finicial situation. Anyways, it was mostly the language that is not appropriate, but there really isn't much more people can say if you have bad memeory on your machine.
23:23<bassie>somiaj frustration????? get away windows xp from someone, that was installing this system everyweek, because didn't understand it at all: what is computer and take it then away from someone, that always found a programm running on xp and take it that guy away and give him a software f. windows 7, 8 and 10 than is the baby crying, that he can not buyhimself better hardware, thats frustrating
23:24<bassie>and no windows xp anymore, oh end of the world
23:25<b17>bassie: do you know how many cubic feet of dirt in a hole that size?
23:25<bassie>the next stop linux, but this crying xp baby, will never learn 1% of commands in 30 years
23:26<bassie>b17 wanna know this in T or kg
23:26<b17>easy, 0 dirt in a hole
23:27<bassie>water, maybe
23:28<somiaj>anyways, lets try to get this back to debain support. If your machine is still reporting errors with memetest, replace it
23:28<somiaj>bassie: last warning, don't use such language.
23:29<bassie>just as you told me- will be debian installed
23:29<somiaj>until you fix your memeory, installing debian (or any os) is a bad idea.
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23:29<b17>bassie: fix your ram, have fun try some different linux it's all good. seeya.
23:29<bassie>somiaj it is working
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23:34<bassie>somiaj no warnings
23:34<bassie>b17 now you know how much m3
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23:35<bassie>maybe 2 daYs with the maschine
23:37<bassie>somiaj maybe I wrote you on FB if you from Idaho
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23:39<bassie>special thanks to somial- I could talk with this guy 24/7, so when it wouldn't take me 100 years but maybe 20
23:40<bassie>thank you all too
23:40<somiaj>in the future, keep support in the channel, I and other users don't need you contacting us over email, fb or other means.
23:40<bassie>I'll now try debian, not debian, or maybe robolinux
23:41<somiaj>and you should run memtest for 24 hours just to ensure your memeory is good before installing an os on it.
23:43<bassie>somiaj what does it mean "for 24 hours"?
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23:44<bassie>somiaj take it out wait for 24 hours?
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23:45<bassie>put it back on? hahaha
23:46<somiaj> you let memtest run for over a full day, and make sure there are 0 errors
23:47<bassie>somiaj run memtest a whole day?
23:49<bassie>somiaj ....without doing anything?
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23:56<b17>it might take like all summer
23:57<b17>you can go dig awhile and let it work
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