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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-06-04

---Logopened Mon Jun 04 00:00:39 2018
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02:51<ecudecodeiii>hi
02:51<r0mm>hello world
02:51<ecudecodeiii>spanish?
02:51<jm_>!es
02:51<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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02:52<r0mm>hudong qilai le
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02:56<ecudecodeiii>i is new in linux
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03:15<twb>Does GNOME3 default to Adwaita:light or Adwaita:dark ?
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03:16<ecudecodeiii>good night
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03:59<thestoryallabouthow>What's the best way to run a Pascal card under stable? The latest nouveau isn't in backports and I'd like to avoid the proprietary driver. Thanks.
04:01<jm_>and you are sure 4.17 is needed for pascal?
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04:02<thestoryallabouthow>I believe xf86-video-nouveau requires 1.0.15 for Pascal at least.
04:03<twb>haha
04:04<twb>I thought you meant a hypercard deck written in pascal
04:05<thestoryallabouthow>That might be easier.
04:06<jm_>nouveau does not appear to have the version field, where did you find 1.0.15?
04:06<thestoryallabouthow>http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau_1.0.15-2_changelog
04:07<jm_>ok you meant one needs xf86-video-nouveau 1:1.0.15-1 for pascal support
04:08<thestoryallabouthow>Yeah, sorry.
04:08<jm_>so yeah, maybe try testing then?
04:08<thestoryallabouthow>I didn't think 15 was in testing, gimme a sec to check.
04:09<jm_>,versions xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
04:09<judd>Package: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.0.1-5; jessie: 1:1.0.11-1; stretch: 1:1.0.13-3; buster: 1:1.0.15-2; sid: 1:1.0.15-2+b1
04:09<thestoryallabouthow>I stand corrected.
04:09<thestoryallabouthow>How's the stability compare?
04:09<thestoryallabouthow>I just want my desktop to work.
04:09<jm_>can't say - I run testing at home but I don't update regularly, try asking #debian-next
04:10<thestoryallabouthow>Thanks.
04:10<jm_>no problem
04:12<thestoryallabouthow>Will the latest nouveau get pulled to stable at the next point release?
04:12<jm_>unlikely
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04:13<jm_>,checkbackport xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
04:13<judd>Backporting package xserver-xorg-video-nouveau in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
04:13<jm_>that's another option - backport it yourself
04:15<thestoryallabouthow>I may look at that.
04:16<thestoryallabouthow>Is it a hassle to then go back to the stable tree when they update though?
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04:17<jm_>in general no - if you don't touch the version field, apt will overwrite it with the package from debian
04:17<thestoryallabouthow>Will it overwrite with the same version or only higher?
04:18<jm_>same too
04:19<thestoryallabouthow>That sounds like a possibility.
04:20<somiaj>thestoryallabouthow: stable is a frozen system, and versions in stable should not change. Except for rare circumstances, security fixes and bug fixes are backported to the stable version.
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04:27<thestoryallabouthow>dpkg-buildpackage to build the package presumably
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04:27<somiaj>one of the various tools to use.
04:27<thestoryallabouthow>Is there a repo I need to clone to get the source?
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04:28<somiaj>just add a deb-src line to your sources.list
04:28<somiaj>!ssb
04:28<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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04:31<thestoryallabouthow>Thanks, I'll give that a go.
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04:59<nuovolnx>Hello to all. Which of these 2 notebooks is more compatible with debian without having to install / configure additional drivers?
04:59<nuovolnx>hp 255 g6 1WY10EA
04:59<nuovolnx>or
04:59<nuovolnx>lenovo v110 80TD000FIX?
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05:01<flip768_>in case someone's interested, the package search page behaves in an unexpected way.
05:02<flip768_>https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-4.17.0- returns results; but remove the last "-" in the search term, and no packages are found.
05:02<flip768_>also, "...-4.17" has no results.
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05:03<petn-randall>"Some results have not been displayed due to the search parameters."
05:03<petn-randall>flip768_: Click on the link and it will be shown.
05:03<flip768_>perhaps that's by design - still, I didn't know that the "-" at the end is necessary to get a search result.
05:04<petn-randall>flip768_: It's not. There are just certain generic keywords that don't show their result directly, because they cause stress on the system.
05:04<flip768_>petn-randall: does that mean that the "-" at the end adds "experimental" to the searched repos?
05:05<flip768_>ah, okay. that's unexpected, too ;)
05:05<petn-randall>flip768_: It's not ideal, agreed. As an end user I shouldn't have to consider those things.
05:05<flip768_>... or even know them
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05:06<petn-randall>nuovolnx: Your best chance is to check those device components if they're supported on Linux. It's only really the GPU or the wifi controller that could cause problems.
05:08<nuovolnx>petn-randall, with radeon graphics cards I should not have problems right?
05:09<petn-randall>nuovolnx: It should be fine, AMD actively support making FOSS drivers. However there's no harm in checking.
05:10<nuovolnx>first I used a site that I can no longer reach: linux-hardware-guide.com
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05:16<Anarka>if its a neweish laptop/computer it isnt unsual you need extra work from the base install, maybe newer firmware than available in stable
05:17<Anarka>it isnt a big problem but just check if the laptop is supported in linux, then it will work with debian
05:18<nuovolnx>Anarka, how do you see if your laptop is supported by linux?
05:18<Anarka>google seach "laptop model linux" is a good start
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05:20<Anarka>nuovolnx: its something you gonna buy ?
05:22<nuovolnx>Anarka, if I'm sure it works with debian without further boring configurations / installations then yes
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07:31<seeS>I got an unrecovable error in dpkg, unknown user 'minidlna' in statoverride file
07:32<babilen>!bat
07:32<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
07:33<seeS>editing the file directly did it, wonder what happened
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09:03<thestoryallabouthow>Hi, me again. I backported the nouveau userspace driver from buster to try and get my pascal card working. Still only one screen works, not at full resolution. Can I check what driver X is using somehow?
09:03<bremner>thestoryallabouthow: look at the log?
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09:04<thestoryallabouthow>xorg log? I've grepped for EE and nothing has stood out. Gimme a sec and I'll give the errors.
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09:04<bremner>well, look for the name of the driver
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09:05<thestoryallabouthow>Only mentions loading the module, then logs the driver version info when I grep for nouveau
09:06<thestoryallabouthow>The errors are failing to load nv, failing to open a DRM device, then failing to open card.
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09:08<thestoryallabouthow>Hmm. Nouveau only logs supporting some chipsets, not all the ones the version should.
09:08<thestoryallabouthow>Only up to NVC0
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09:09<thestoryallabouthow>Ahh. Nouveau mentions Linux 4.12, so I may just need to switch to unstable.
09:10<Anarka>you can try backports
09:10<Anarka>!backports
09:10<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
09:10<thestoryallabouthow>I think at this point I may just switch to unstable altogether to see how it is.
09:10<Anarka>so instead of upgrading the entire system to sid you can install a newer kernel in stable using backports
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09:11<thestoryallabouthow>I get the feeling I'll just create more of a frankensystem and it's easier just to use unstable.
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09:12<Anarka>backports isnt frankendebian but... choices :)
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09:13<thestoryallabouthow>If I backport a kernel is it easy to then move on to unstable if that doesn't work?
09:13<Anarka>you dont backport, you add a backport source to apt, the apt-get install -t stretch-backports pkgname
09:13<Anarka>the packages already exist... not all but kernel for ex
09:14<dust>thestoryallabouthow, https://news.siduction.org/ debian sid as rolling distro, no needs for backport...
09:14<thestoryallabouthow>Yeah but does then switching to unstable overwrite backports okay?
09:15<Anarka>its a packAGE, if you move to unstable it will be upgraded as all others
09:15<thestoryallabouthow>Cool. The package name for the kernel is just linux?
09:16<Anarka>linux-image-amd64 maybe
09:17<Anarka>for ex https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-amd64
09:17<thestoryallabouthow>Ahh got it.
09:17<thestoryallabouthow>Didn't appear for just a search for linux.
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09:17<Anarka>you first need to add the backport source to your sources.list
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09:18<thestoryallabouthow>I was using the web. It's downloading now anyhow.
09:18<Anarka>erm...
09:18<Anarka>you should be using apt* to install packages
09:18<thestoryallabouthow>I am
09:18<thestoryallabouthow>I was searching with the web
09:18<Anarka>ah :)
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09:19<thestoryallabouthow>Doesn't appear in results unless you use its full name.
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09:20<Anarka>because you get a huge list of packages
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09:23<thestoryallabouthow>Well that backport worked. Thanks. Do backports update automatically?
09:23<Anarka>as automatically as other packages
09:24<SpaceMeat>Hello, I just installed a fresh debian stretch on my laptop (after using jessie for > 2 years), I have configured everything successfully except the resolution of my second monitor (an AOC QHD 2560*1440) that is stuck in 1920*1080 and I can't find any way of getting the resolution I want. Any idea what is wrong ? Thank you :)
09:25<thestoryallabouthow>Anarka: thanks for your help
09:25<Anarka>np, gl
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09:33<Oebele>hi guys, I've connected my laptop to a bluetooth audio device (soundbar), but it does not show up in the list of audio devices. Any suggestions for how to fix this
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09:45<Anarka>SpaceMeat: which gfx card are you using ? and drivers ?
09:46<SpaceMeat>Intel HD graphic 5500
09:46<Anarka>same as me i think
09:46<SpaceMeat>I didn't installed any driver myself so I suppose anything that comes with Debian stretch ?
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09:47<Anarka>intel these days require no driver and use modeset only
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09:47<SpaceMeat>I have a Lenovo t450s if this is relevant
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09:51<Anarka>SpaceMeat: do you know what driver you are using, these days it should be modeset
09:51<Anarka>xserver-xorg-video-intel should be removed if installed
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09:56<SpaceMeat>Anarka: I just ran the "lshw -C display" command and got "configuration: driver=i915 latency=0"
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09:58<Anarka>do you have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed ?
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10:00<SpaceMeat>Anarka: "dpkg -s xserver-xorg-video-intel" shows "Status: install ok installed" so I suppose that it is
10:00<Anarka>remove it, but before...
10:00<Anarka>do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf or similar ?
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10:01<SpaceMeat>No /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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10:01<SpaceMeat>What would be the similar files ?
10:01<Anarka>for ex /etc/X11/xorg.d/something
10:02<Anarka>oops
10:02<Anarka>this /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
10:02<SpaceMeat>No only files like /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config /etc/X11/Xsession.options ...
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10:02<SpaceMeat>No xorg.conf.d/ dir
10:03<Anarka>ok remove xserver-xorg-video-intel
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10:04<Anarka>and restart the X, and hopefully it will still restart =)
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10:04<SpaceMeat>See you on the other side....
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10:08<SpaceMeat>I couldn't log back after restarting gnome but a full restart worked
10:08<Anarka>good
10:08<Anarka>and... ?
10:09<SpaceMeat>Some stuff changed, when I was running xrandr previously it was using xwayland but now it looks normal, but my screen is still locked at 1920x1080 or less
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10:10<SpaceMeat>here is my xrandr output https://pastebin.com/3aF43FQP
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10:11<SpaceMeat>HDMI-1 should be able to go up to 2560*1440
10:11<Anarka>what do you get sudo glxinfo | grep -i dri
10:11<Anarka>you dont need sudo sorry
10:14<Anarka>shouldnt matter...
10:14<SpaceMeat> Device: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 5500 (Broadwell GT2) (0x1616) OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 5500 (Broadwell GT2)
10:15<Anarka>same as me
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10:17<Anarka>which kernel ?
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10:18<SpaceMeat>4.16.0-2-amd64
10:18<Anarka>ok so thats not it
10:18<Anarka>anything with ? grep EE .local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log
10:19<SpaceMeat>nope
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10:20<SpaceMeat>Got some warnings:
10:20<SpaceMeat> (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. [ 34.498] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist. [ 34.510] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev [ 34.510] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa [ 34.510] (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support
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10:22<Anarka>i have same, no prob
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11:20<Blacker47>can i change the terminal (that on Ctrl+Alt+F1) to black on white?
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11:35<itd_>Blacker47: "setterm -foreground black -background white"
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11:36<Blacker47>thanks itd_.
11:37<flip768>before systemd one could just do "grep setterm /etc/init.d -r" and find out which config file should be used for that...
11:37<flip768>that's one of the things I miss now
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11:50<clementefnc>hello guys, I'm a Debian newbie. I've always used arch and I don't know how to use apt. I wonder to make it rolling release to get latest available packages. ATM in /etc/apt/sources.list I've only one line non commented with "deb" followed by the repo url followed by "testing main contributi non-free"; is this correct? Thanks in advance
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11:54<itd_>clementefnc: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman/Rosetta ; testing support is in #debian-next
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11:56<webmind>clementefnc: I got 'deb <url> stretch main non-free contrib' so for testing 'deb <url> testing main non-free contrib" should work.
11:56<webmind>keep in mind that security updates for testing are later than for stable and unstable
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12:13<ptitvertt>Hello
12:13<ptitvertt>I have a question concerning Debian Stretch (9) and NFS
12:13<ptitvertt>apparently the idmapd.conf file is not read when I want to do a UID mapping
12:14<ptitvertt>the I have on my server a user test with UID 1200 and on the client I want to map it to user testmf and UID 1240
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12:15<ptitvertt>I cannot use the same user on both side.
12:15<ptitvertt>Is that possible? And no I don't use Kerberos
12:15<ptitvertt>the documentation is quite poor, and the article I found on stack overflow are not that helpful
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13:33<Ouroboros>how do you set data=journal on /? this is not possible in the installer? do you still need to set it later in grub.conf and fstab, and also roll fstab into initrd?
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13:44<petn-randall>Ouroboros: If you want to set that, you can do it by hand in the installer. alt + f2 gives you a shell where you can perform whatever you want.
13:44<petn-randall>Ouroboros: But as you said, the easiest thing is to set it manually in /etc/fstab after installation.
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13:54<Ouroboros>true, but i would need to know at what point to set it in the installer, i believe that this option is not just a mount flag but actually modifies something on the fs
13:57<Ouroboros>but if that is the case, then it is not clear why it is also necessary to pass it on the kernel command line
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14:02<ptitvertt>I have a question concerning Debian Stretch (9) and NFS. I try to map a user (test uid=1300) from the server to another user on the client (testmf uid=1350)
14:02<ptitvertt>and I have problem doing that
14:02<ptitvertt>is it possible?
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14:03<ptitvertt>I tried to use the /etc/idmapd.conf file without any success at all...
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14:21<Ouroboros>also, is the sync mount option much slower, really?
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14:23<Ouroboros>ptitvertt: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/nfs4-server-debian-ubuntu-linux/
14:24<Ouroboros>try following that guide
14:24<Ouroboros>most likely you don't have idmapd running or something
14:25<ptitvertt>Ouroboros: I have already a nfs server/client working without any problems, it is just when I want to use the idmapd.conf that things goes south...
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14:25<ptitvertt>the idmapd should be on the client or server side?
14:25<Ouroboros>yes, that guide has a section about that part
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14:26<ptitvertt>because on the client side, even if the idmapd.conf is there, the idmapd deamon is not there on my debian stretch after installing nfs-client, just then command nfsidmapd
14:26<ptitvertt>ok I will check again the doc if I see something
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14:28<ptitvertt>Well I have done exactly what the doc said with the setting NEED_IDMAPD=yes
14:28<ptitvertt>and also modifying the /etc/idmapd.conf
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14:41<Ouroboros>ptitvertt: you did this on the server?
14:44<Ouroboros>actually, how do root fs mount options work in general, since fstab is not available when it is mounted? is the information in fstab copied to initramfs or similar?
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14:45<ptitvertt>I have done it only on the client side
14:45<Ouroboros>ptitvertt: i believe that this part is to be done on the server
14:46<ptitvertt>ok, that's the only part I havn't tried...
14:46<ptitvertt>I will try it now
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14:52<ptitvertt>doesn't seem to work :-/
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14:59<Ouroboros>how does it not seem to work?
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15:00<ptitvertt>I am googling around a lot, and apparently you cannot map a user to another (test uid=1300 to testmf uid=1350)
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15:00<ptitvertt>after I mount my fs I get always the server user (test) and not the one I want (testmf)
15:01<ptitvertt>and since in the client both user test and testmf are defined
15:01<ptitvertt>the client always prefer the test user to the wanted user testmf
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15:16<s4br3>I was surprised to read a recommendation to use sudo over su at https://wiki.debian.org/sudo as it (sudo) "is better (safer)". Is there a consensus there? I have a one user machine and has never used sudo on it as it seemed "sloppy" and a potential risk. Is it different on a multiuser machine?
15:17<dboles>sudo ensures you don't need to know root's password, don't accidentally stay in a root session and do stuff you don't really mean to, get sudone changes logged, etc.
15:18<dboles>it has been the recommendation, as far as i've heard/read
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15:18<s4br3>What is the benefit of the logging?
15:19<s4br3>To know who did what, I guess
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15:21<dboles>that is the general idea
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15:22<jhutchins>The logging only works when you do single commands with sudo. If you do sudo -i and become root there's no logging (other than root's bash histor).
15:22<jhutchins>Basically it's just a different philosophy. If you have a multi-user system with different levels of privillege sudo can be useful.
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15:23<jhutchins>If you're from a single-user environment (DOS), it feels more comfortable to just keep a root shell handy (and don't do stupid things in it like run GUI apps).
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15:25<jhutchins>(I also come from a multi-user environment where I was the BOFH, so I was allways "root".)
15:26<Ouroboros>ok, this is getting really confusing, it seems that mount options can come from the kernel command line or from the fs or from fstab, how do you keep all of this consistent?
15:27<jhutchins>Ouroboros: Get used to it. There's always more than one way in *nix.
15:28<Ouroboros>that is fine, but how do i know which is required? just trial and error?
15:31<jhutchins>Ouroboros: You'll ususally know. If you're mounting from the command line, you'll know to supply the options, unless it's a manual mount from fstab. If it's an automatic mount, it's (almost always) in fstab. "From the fs" I think means the fs defaults.
15:31<Ouroboros>also, between the kernel, initramsfs and init, it could be mounted several times with different options
15:31<jhutchins>Ouroboros: A good rule is stick to the basic defaults unless you know you need something different.
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15:31<jhutchins>Ouroboros: Only if somebody messed up.
15:32<Ouroboros>that somebody being i :P
15:32<jhutchins>Ouroboros: You usually can't mount a mounted filesystem without specifying the remount option.
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15:32<jhutchins>Ouroboros: Keep notes. Make backups.
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15:35<Ouroboros>right, but from what i read the kernel and/or initramfs will mount the root fs as ro, then init and/or udev will remount it as rw, possibly reading additional options from fstab, or something like that
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15:36<Ouroboros>obviously this process depends on exactly how the system is configured
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15:41<Ouroboros>my main question is, for the root fs, is it always required to set the same options in fstab, on the kernel command line in grub.conf and in the fs defaults, or is it sufficient to set them in fstab and update-initramfs or similar will take care of the rest?
15:41<jhutchins>Ouroboros: That's correct. The options are in the fstab.
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15:42<jhutchins>Ouroboros: It depends on when you want the change to happen. If next reboot is OK, wait for that. If you want it now, remount it. If it's temporary, remount it with CLI options.
15:43<jhutchins>If you need to change an option before it's mounted RW, then possibly update the initramfs, but you shouldn't be doing that unless you know whether you know it's needed.
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15:44<jhutchins>If you don't know why you're doing something, or whether it will affect the initramfs, you probably shouldn't be doing it.
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15:45<jhutchins>...and yes, when it comes down to it, there's nothing wrong with trial-and-error. TIAS=try it and see.
15:45<Ouroboros>to clarify, i am referring to the kernel rootflags=
15:46<jhutchins>Ouroboros: Again, if you don't know, you probably shouldn't.
15:46<jhutchins>This is one of those places where if you try something off of the internet without knowing how it works you can break your system.
15:47<Ouroboros>of course, and most of this information appears to be out of date
15:48<Ouroboros>and really amounts to 'i tried this and it did [not] work'
15:48<lavamind>is it normal that the 'man-db' package is missing from new installs (using a preseed file)
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15:50<jhutchins>Ouroboros: Yeah, that's a hazard of OS software. There's a lot of out-of-date documentation. kernel.org is a pretty good source.
15:51<jhutchins>Ouroboros: Fortunately out-of-date information is much more likely to just not work rather than do something bad.
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15:56<Ouroboros>one other minor question, in the installer partition manager, if you configure a partition and do write changes to disk, then change the mount options, then do you need to do write changes to disk again or will that only affect the fstab that will be generated later?
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15:57<Ouroboros>or maybe i should just manually change fstab later
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15:59<Ouroboros>or i will probably mess up something again and will have to reinstall again, so i can change it then :P
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16:00<desafder>Ouroboros: fstab should be set by installer you should be ok in worse case boot the installer in rescue mode
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16:01<jhutchins>Ouroboros: The "write changes to disk" is re writing the partition table.
16:01<Ouroboros>jhutchins: well, it also formats the fs
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16:02<desafder>you don't have to reinstall just boot a live system and edit fstab
16:02<jhutchins>Ouroboros: That's just the step after writing the partition table.
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16:02<Ouroboros>as an aside, the partition manager is really terrible and has all kinds of issues, i cannot believe that we are still using this
16:02<jhutchins>Ouroboros: I think parted, which is what I think the installer uses, can do both steps, but with fdisk it would be two separate operations.
16:03<Ouroboros>e.g. it does stuff like reduce the specified size of the first partition by 1MiB to accomodate the partition table
16:05<Ouroboros>and possibly also something similar that i have not quite figured out yet at the end of the disk
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16:06<desafder>Ouroboros: use any partition manager you like then use the installer to define mount point of the / no formating and finish the installation
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16:08<Ouroboros>i mean, sure, you can always override things with enough work, but why is it like that by default? i have the time to investigate it, millions of more casual users may not
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16:12<desafder>Ouroboros: politics explains a lot of things in human organisations . here we try to help solve technical pb
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16:52<adema>hi everyon
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16:52<adema>if i suspect there is a bug in the systemd service for bind9 package, what should i do ?
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17:01<jimpop>find a bug on the nginx package ;-)
17:02<jimpop>*file
17:02<jimpop>don't you want nginx to start after bind9?
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17:09<jimpop>btw, the nginx folks even have a page on the solution: https://www.nginx.com/resources/wiki/start/topics/examples/systemd/
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17:39<adema>jimpop, bind9 service fifle is broken
17:39<adema>thus fixing nginx service file will not be enough
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17:53<jimpop>adema: you can check for existing bind9 bugs here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=bind9
17:53<jimpop>and you can read about how to file a bug report here: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
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18:08<Ouroboros>whew, n days later, i am finally 'this' close to installing debian :P
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18:09<Ouroboros>let's hope that nothing explodes
18:10<adema>jimpop, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=900788
18:10<adema>:]
18:11<PC-Admin[m]>Ouroboros: test ram and disk if things are 'exploding'
18:11<PC-Admin[m]>doesnt sound right to me
18:13<jimpop>adema: very nice, every bug report helps
18:14<Ouroboros>i tested the plastique pack, seemed to work fine
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18:40<Synthea>How can I set alsa/dmix as audio default and pulseaudio as fallback for applications that only supports pulse?
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19:44<canaima>hola
19:45<annadane>!es
19:45<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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19:53<annadane>considering that channel has like 20 people i should maybe stop posting that
19:53<bremner>well, short of telling someone to GTFO, what other options are there?
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19:57<dondelelcaro>#debian-es is still the best place for support even if it's not ideal
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19:58<dondelelcaro>though if there are better places for support in spanish, feel free to edit the factoid to point at htem
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21:26<zaddan>hi all. Does anyone know how to install openjdk-8-jdk on buster. when I try to install from source I do the following:sudo apt-get source openjdk-8-jdk; cd in to the directory; debuild, but I get the error: error: Unmet build dependencies: openjdk-8-jdk | openjdk-7-jdk. This is strange cause I was trying to install openjdk-8-jdk in the first place (but when I apt-get source, I end up with openjdk-8 and it depends on openjdk-8-jdk)
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21:28<annadane>!debian-next
21:28<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. oftc OFTC oftc oftc OFTC? Invite? Oftc oftc malkovich oftc.
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22:26<crazyhacker>hi all
22:26<sney>hi
22:27<crazyhacker>i here looking for manye
22:27<Aj_>hi
22:27<crazyhacker>eny one need enything
22:27<sney>this is a debian support channel, do you need help with something
22:27<Aj_>no
22:28<sney>if you just want to chat try /join #moocows
22:28<crazyhacker>no
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22:28<Aj_>what do you do
22:29<Aj_>Do you play fortnite
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22:50<n00b>hello
22:50<sney>hi
22:52<n00b>Question: Looking for virtual machine software that has sandbox capabilities. It seems that debian 9 doesn't support Oracle's Virtual box any longer, unless I want to delve into the backports. I don't know how stable it would be, and I'm trying to find a decent alternative.
22:54<sney>afaik, it's a licensing issue rather than a software support one, so the package from oracle's website should work if you prefer to use virtualbox
22:55<sney>however, 'gnome-boxes' is an operationally similar frontend to kvm
22:56<n00b>Alright, I'll look into that. Thanks sney!
22:56<sney>np
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22:58<drakonis>gnome-boxes is in practice a libvirt frontend
22:59<sney>I always forget that distinction but you're right
22:59<sney>and so is virtualbox, these days? I think?
22:59<drakonis>no, virtualbox isn't
23:00<drakonis>it however does use qemu with the vbox module as backend
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23:06<somiaj>virtualbox is in stretch-backports due to a security support issue, not a licensisng issue.
23:06<somiaj>debian cannot security support a frozen version, so it is put in stretch-backports, and new versions contain security fixes.
23:07<drakonis>if it was an licensing issue, it wouldn't be there at all
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23:07<somiaj>it is contrib due to the open bios cannot be built with open untilities, but the code itself is fully open source and meetds the DSFG, the bios just cannot be built without some closed source software.
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23:47<luizromario>Hello, all. Does anyone else has a problem of apt getting stuck at 0% for a while on any network operation?
23:48<luizromario>It happens for me on both apt update, upgrade and install
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23:50<somiaj>!cross post
23:50<dpkg>Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
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