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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-06-09

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00:03<somiaj>scientes: google gave me this, though Iw ould digt through the mailing lists for more details
00:03<somiaj>"the transition freeze of Debian 10 is planned on January 12, 2019, with Buster’s soft-freeze scheduled for February 12." -- these dates could change as they approach
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01:10<Psi-Jack>Hmmm...
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01:11<Psi-Jack>There's something about dpkg-buildpackage's methods that's somehow causing a particular package I'm trying to build (from scratch), to link against libs it shouldn't be, specifically a static .la that's being linked against pthreads.
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01:13<somiaj>Psi-Jack: if no one naswers here #packaging may help
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01:16<Psi-Jack>I've tried so many things. Including disabling hardening. heh
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01:18<somiaj>I'm not sure why it is linking that way, does it link that way if you build it without dpkg-buildpackage (in this case it is your system linker and not dpkg-buildpackage?)
01:19<Psi-Jack>No, actually, it doesn't.
01:19<Psi-Jack>When I do it manually, without dpkg-buildpackage, it links properly.
01:20<somiaj>and by manually, you mean just run 'make'?
01:20<Psi-Jack>Correct.
01:20<somiaj>maybe debian/rules binary, though that is most likely what dpkg-buildpackage is doing. Have you checked the debian/rules script, or maybe it is something debian helper is doing (I don't really know enough to debug this though)
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01:21<Psi-Jack>Heh, yeah, it's definitely something with debhelper, or dpkg-buildpackage (or it's suite of stuff )
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01:22<Psi-Jack>Wonder if I drop the combat down from 10 if it makes a difference.
01:22<Psi-Jack>compat&
01:22<somiaj>I doubt it
01:22<Psi-Jack>Yeah, actually, it did.
01:23<Psi-Jack>Dropped it back to 8, and it built.
01:23<Psi-Jack>And I checked the .la files, they are correct now.
01:23<somiaj>well guess you need to look at what the different compadabilities used
01:23<somiaj>but #packaging is most likey the place to debug this further. #debian-mentors can help, but only if you are trying to get this package into debian, otherwise #packaging is prefered
01:24<Psi-Jack>Okay.
01:24<Psi-Jack>This is not one that'd likely get included in Debian itself. it's old BBS software (still actively developed). Source from CVS, fun times. :)
01:25<Psi-Jack>Trying compat 9, now, which in Stretch is the earliest non-deprecated one.
01:27<Psi-Jack>9 worked as well.
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01:28<somiaj>and you said 10 didn't work, trying to read the changes to see what it could be, and nothing is coming out
01:28<somiaj>most likely it isn't systemd or autoreconf causing this issue?
01:29<Psi-Jack>Yeah. I'm double checking, cleaned out all the source and doing another rebuild, just to make sure.
01:29<Psi-Jack>None of it's autoreconf of systemd-based at all.
01:29<Psi-Jack>There's not even a configure system with this, just GNUmakefiles.
01:29<somiaj>wonder if it is due to --parallel (which is now default) confusing it with the libs?
01:30<Psi-Jack>Hmmm, 9 actually did fail, after working with a clean source.
01:30<Psi-Jack>Hmm, well, 9 without nohardening on build options anwyay.
01:31<somiaj>well the changes in 9 I see is multiarch support is default
01:31<somiaj>this could also be an issue, All of the dh_auto_* debhelper programs and dh set environment variables listed by dpkg-buildflags, unless they are already set. maybe it is setting some flag messing things up
01:32<somiaj>but I'm mostly just guessing
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01:33<Psi-Jack>YEah, 8 still works, clean, no nohardening (leaving DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS default)
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01:35<Psi-Jack>Aha..
01:36<Psi-Jack>9 does work with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nohardening noreproducible" so far.
01:36<Psi-Jack>Taking out the noreproducible seeing if that makes any difference.
01:36<Psi-Jack>Least this is narrowing things down some. :)
01:37<Psi-Jack>Very certain this code cannot work with -fPIE, as it's using -fpic and -fPIC pretty much most everywhere.
01:38<somiaj>anyways, I would continue this in #packaging if you still want to talk about it
01:40<Psi-Jack>I'm already there. :)
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01:43<Psi-Jack>Nice.. compat 9 with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="hardening=nopie" worked. :D
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06:33<diamond>hello thiras
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09:06<quartz>I want to install a package that requires libminiupnpc10, but on testing libminiupnpc17 is installed
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10:54<nuovolnx>hello I'm installed rfkill
10:55<nuovolnx>than I enabled wifi interfaces
10:55<nuovolnx>add the parameters into /etc/network/interfaces
10:56<nuovolnx>when I type this command ifup wlp3s0 then I get an error
10:56<nuovolnx> DHCPDISCOVER on wlp3s0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8
10:56<nuovolnx>No DHCPOFFERS received.
10:56<nuovolnx>No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
10:59<rajulocal>My wifi connection keeps dropping after a while. When it drops I click on the wifi button at the bottom right of the KDE panel and enter the password and then it comes back. Is there a way to fix this?
10:59<rajulocal>I am using Debian stable with all packages up to date.
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12:39<edeak>Firefox can play 4k videos just fine but both mpv and vlc either display the wrong colors or get really slow. Can anyone give a clue as to why? Much love
12:39<edeak>(debian stable)
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12:52<monster>hey
12:53<monster>who knows how to fix problems when installing a system then the hid ports don't work
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13:37<arch0s>is this a support chat for debian?
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13:38<somiaj>that is what the /topic should indicate
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13:38<ismael>hola
13:38<somiaj>!es
13:38<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
13:38<ismael>salm
13:39<ismael>hola
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13:39<somiaj>arch0s: if you have a debian support question, just ask
13:41<arch0s>today is my first day with debian and that's why not everything is very clear. how can I delete the search history on gnome maps, for example?
13:42<somiaj>Unsure about that (I don't use gnome)
13:43<somiaj>hmm, only responses I'm getting from google, are about google-maps. It might just be using the google maps api, I'm not positive
13:43<blast007>arch0s: you could try using the Privacy gnome control panel and going to 'Usage & History' and clicking on Clear Recent History
13:46<arch0s>I'll check it out...
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13:51<arch0s>blast007: no, unfortunately, did not work.
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14:05<blast007>arch0s: looks like it might be stored at ~/.local/share/maps-places.json
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14:06<arch0s>ok, but i want not manual clean every day. i think i delete this program. thank you for your support
14:07<somiaj>arch0s: deleting part of gnome can cause problems on your system. Might be better to keep it installed but not use it
14:07<somiaj>as it is usually easiest to have all of gnome instaleld for depenendcy reasons, even if the software is not being used
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14:08<arch0s>somiaj: i delete only the programm gnome-maps
14:09<arch0s>i hope thats not a problem for the system? :-D
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14:09<somiaj>arch0s: the gnome meta package depends on gnome-maps, so you have to remove the gnome meta package, which then may make your system thik y ou want to remove a lot of other packages in gnome due to how auto isntall packages work
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14:09<somiaj>so it isn't a problem directly, but your package manager may think you need to remove most your system and thus remove all of gnome as a side affect
14:10<arch0s>seriously now?
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14:13<arch0s>thank you for your answers...
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15:13<PRETEXTATO>how I disable of seeing grub at boot?
15:13<bremner>!plymouth
15:13<dpkg>Plymouth presents a graphic animation while the boot process occurs in the background. It is designed to be used with <DRM> modesetting drivers and replaces both <usplash> and <splashy>. Read /usr/share/doc/plymouth/README.Debian to enable. http://wiki.debian.org/plymouth http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Plymouth #plymouth on irc.freenode.net.
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15:14<bremner>hmm. not sure if that's before the grub prompt
15:15<PRETEXTATO>Maybe some conf file at /etc?
15:15<PRETEXTATO>or /boot
15:15<PRETEXTATO>I don't know
15:15<jonathon>i think you're looking for `/etc/default/grub` => GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT ?
15:16<PRETEXTATO>it's possibl
15:16<jonathon>uncomment it, then `sudo update-grub` and you won't get a grub menu prompt
15:16<jonathon>IIRC you can un-hide it by pressing SHIFT
15:16<PRETEXTATO>I see
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15:35<PRETEXTATO>I didn't find GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT but I found GRUB_TIMEOUT
15:35<PRETEXTATO>It was already uncumment
15:35<PRETEXTATO>I just change the value of 5 to 0
15:36<PRETEXTATO>and I did the update-grub
15:36<PRETEXTATO>it works.
15:36<jonathon>that's a different option and now means you can't switch kernel version or pass an option to GRUB on boot
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15:56<wget>Hello everyone. Good news, my server full disk encryption + LVM + remote unlock is progressing. A few issues though:
15:56<wget>- the boot process with initramfs doesn't complete properly with this error message: https://www.dl.wget.be/Screenshot_20180609_215312.png. I think this is due to the fs driver. The GRUB entry specifies to load a ext2 driver (insmod ext2 in the GRUB entry). There is no ext4.mod module though.
15:56<wget>- I need to install the grub files OUTSIDE the encrypted raid otherwise, grub is asking me to decrypt the raid array before initramfs and ssh remote unlock has been trigerred. Loosing interest.
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15:56<wget>Any help for the first topic would be greatly appreciated :)
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15:57<wget>Or maybe this is not a fs problem. ? the ext2 grub module should load ext4 properly. And if it was't the initramfs files wouldn't be loaded.
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15:58<wget>somiaj: I bet you have an idea :)
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16:01<rob_debian>Hello, please, I've been reading some articles on Debian, where you can suggest this repository: deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org stretch main non-free.
16:01<rob_debian>my question is: from a technical point of view, would it be relevant to include a non-free repository only for multimedia packages?
16:02<rob_debian>correcting here: 'where they suggest'.... sorry
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16:04<wget>rob_debian: some specific codecs might be on the non free repo.
16:04<wget>rob_debian: what I use on my debian: https://gist.github.com/wget/170420d13db47137c5a5c97ae6191f9c
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16:05<rob_debian>Hi wget, thanks for answering ! nice to meet you :) Please, wget, on this case, I include this line on /etc/apt/sources.list, exactly like that: https://gist.github.com/wget/170420d13db47137c5a5c97ae6191f9c ?
16:06<wget>rob_debian: this is the service I use to configure my repos on debian. https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/
16:06<wget>I just select what i need
16:06<wget>but, I don't know the aforementionned deb multimedia repo. :-/
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16:07<wget>I'm not a Debian user. I just use debian on the servers I manage, and Arch Linux as workstation OS. So maybe other people here could help you in determining if deb multimedia is worth of interest or not.
16:07<rob_debian>oh, I see, well, in this case, I don't know how to use this line https://gist.github.com/wget/170420d13db47137c5a5c97ae6191f9c; probably just accessing its content through browser...
16:07<rob_debian>oh, I see
16:07<rob_debian>ok wget, thanks for information provided :)
16:08<wget>rob_debian: the link I provided (https://gist.github.com/wget/170420d13db47137c5a5c97ae6191f9c) is just the lines I fefined in /etc/apt/sources.list :)
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16:08<rob_debian>fine !, but it's github, not official debian repository, I see....
16:09<wget>rob_debian: the line are the official debian repositories :)
16:09<wget>I have just added the non free repo the Debian project manage.
16:10<wget>Because on servers, well sometimes you need them as well. I don't have a particular example in head, but I know I need them.
16:11<wget>rob_debian: the link I provided are just posted on Gist. This is a free service provided by Github. Like a service like pastebin.com or any other *paste thing :)
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16:38<coruja>rob_debian, be careful when using dmo packages (especially without using apt preferences), which may damage your installation severely
16:39<coruja>if you know what you do and how to fix broken dependencies, go ahead
16:39<grove>!dmm
16:39<dpkg>We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>.
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16:50<rob_debian>back here... oh, fine coruja, thanks for hint and support given !:)
16:50<rob_debian>no coruja, better attending debian policy about package management
16:52<rob_debian>thanks for answering, grove ! I've already performed 'apt-get dist-uprade' using this repo, but I haven't installed anything through it and I'll remove it now, after this information. Really thank you for great support !:)
16:53<somiaj>dmm was nice many many releases ago when certain thigns werent' in debian, but for the most part, debian main repos contain multimedia packages that are much better than dmo packages
16:55<Synthea>Debian after the uninstall/reinstall of pulseaudio on notifications makes the speaker "beep" instead of the normal sound how can I fix that?
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16:56<somiaj>wget: your error looks like it has to do with the initramfs not being able to find your encrypted volume, and isn't related to the filesystem on it. I don't use encyrption or lvm, so I have little experience with either.
16:56<rob_debian>hi somiaj, thanks for answering :). Please, somiaj, if possible, have a look on this: https://paste.debian.net/1028612/
16:57<somiaj>wget: and yes, the easiest approach is to have /boot (thus grub) outside of your raid and encryption. Grub does support this, but it isn't well automated (at least in debian), so you may have to play around with things if you want /boot encrypted.
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16:57<rob_debian>I didn't go ahead on this update && upgrade for I suspect this suggested update && upgrade was generated because the inclusion of multimedia repository in my debian
16:58<somiaj>rob_debian: you would need to get the key for dmo from them, maybe their page desribs how to get it. Or follow our suggestions and don't use the repo, thus removing it from y our sources.list
16:58<rob_debian>I've discarded this repo
16:58<somiaj>then you shouldn't be getting those gpg errors anymore
16:59<rob_debian>yes, somiaj, surely I prefer following you. I've alread removed this unofficial multimedia repo
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16:59<rob_debian>fine, somiaj, thanks again for your attention and great support you always provide me :)
17:01<rob_debian>not clear why it takes so much time on this line during a basic update here: 0% [Connecting to klecker-ftp.debian.org (130.89.148.12)]
17:04<somiaj>could be network issue, mirror issue, or some other issue.
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17:04<somiaj>You can use a specific mirror (rather than deb.debian.org) to see if that helps
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17:11<Synthea>somiaj, can you help on my issue?
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17:13<somiaj>I don't know how to fix the beep with pulseaudio
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17:16<rob_debian>please, somiaj, you've referred about a specific mirror, rather than deb.debian.org... have you got any suggestion about this ?
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17:18<somiaj>rob_debian: do you use deb.debian.org in your sources.list?
17:19<rob_debian>hum, let me show you, that's better for you to have a better idea about what I do use here: https://paste.debian.net/1028615/
17:20<rob_debian>debian is always fast and stable here, for I removed deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org stretch main non-free
17:21<rob_debian>before updating && upgrading using it....
17:21<somiaj>hmm, unsure what klecker-ftp.debian.org is comming from, anyways, you could try to replace ftp.us.debian.org with deb.debian.org
17:21<somiaj>also not being in us, ftp.us.debian.org may not give you decent mirrors to use, deb.debian.org may give you better mirrors
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17:22<somiaj>also ftp.debian.org is suggested not to use, so replace lines 1, 2, 8, 9 and 11 with deb.debian.org as the domain name
17:22<rob_debian>so, you suspect that's the reason kecker-fpt.debian.org comes...ok, deb.debian.org. thank you, somiaj :)
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17:24<somiaj>it could be one of the round robbin mirrors used by ftp.us.debian.org, but unsure there. Anyways use deb.debian.org, it will usually give you a better mirror than the old round robbin redirectors
17:24<rob_debian>so, for example, the line 1 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free contrib' is replaced by 'deb http://debianlorg/debian.... ?
17:25<rob_debian>deb http://debian.org/debian.... ?
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17:25<somiaj>no, deb.debian.org (not debian.org)
17:26<rob_debian>not so sure about the syntax here...
17:26<somiaj>also ti deson't appear that mirror you are having trouble with is in the ftp.us.debian.org round robbin. Do you have any additional files in /etc/apt/soruces.list.d/
17:26<somiaj>It is straight forward. Replace ftp.us.debian.org with deb.debian.org
17:26<somiaj>also replace ftp.debian.org with deb.debian.org
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17:26<rob_debian>I'll try it somiaj, thank you :)
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17:35<wget>somiaj: actually, I want /boot encrypted i.e.: the kernel. But I'll put grub and initramfs outside of that partition :)
17:36<somiaj>there are no nice tools in debian for this as far as I nkow, and it may take some work to get to work correctly
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17:36<somiaj>though if using a debian kernel, I really don't see what sort of secuirty you get having /boot encrypted.
17:37<wget>somiaj: I won't be using the debian kernel :) this will be a proxmox kernel with some addition for docker stuff.
17:39<somiaj>either way, I think any security you gain is basically 0. But I don't know much about this stuff, just my laymans understanding.
17:39<somiaj>so are you actually running debian or proxmox?
17:40<somiaj>in general proxmox is not debian, and thus not supported here
17:41<wget>this will be proxmox, but I'm installing everything by hand since proxmox is debian based. I need a working debian OS first before going further. So I'll stick with official debian kernel for now :)
17:42<somiaj>you may encouter other issues with proxmox and use their support. It is worthwhile getting use to the system you are eventually going to use
17:42<somiaj>!proxmox
17:42<dpkg>Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support
17:42<somiaj>but sure, if you want to experiemnt with debian, here is the place to do it, though debian suggests not having /boot encyrpted.
17:43<rob_debian>by the way, just to clarify about your doubt, somiaj: there's no file or information saved in '/etc/apt/soruces.list.d/'. this file is empty
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17:44<somiaj>wget: there are some guides to get it to work in debian, so it is possible, just not something that many will have familarity with in my expeience.
17:45<wget>somiaj: yes, I have found some. My experimentations and notes are actually based on these two (outdated) guides: https://web.archive.org/web/20171113034405/http://www.pavelkogan.com:80/2014/05/23/luks-full-disk-encryption/ http://blog.neutrino.es/2011/unlocking-a-luks-encrypted-root-partition-remotely-via-ssh/
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19:04<rob_debian>landscape41, just ask your question
19:05<landscape41>Being brief, can I use the netinst method to install debian if my internet connectivity is provided by my smartphone through thethering?
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19:07<rob_debian>probably yes, landscape, but I suspect the only way to get it clear is testing your internet connectivity
19:09<landscape41>Does experimenting with the live cd is sufficient, or should I start the netinst to actually have a more concrete answer?
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19:14<landscape41>I think I shouldn't have annoyed you too early, I always forget to do some research before. Thank you for the help!
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19:17<somiaj>leventel[m]: it may take a bit to deal with teathering while in the netinstall. A full dvd install image may bebetter for that use case, then set up teathering after you have your desktop or whatnot installed
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19:28<pentrix>hi all, new to irc, isn't it kinda dangerous to see the ip address of people joining or leaving?
19:29<pentrix>why does it show?
19:34<somiaj>because of how irc works, each user is identified by their username and the host they are using.
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23:22<gneww>Hey guys, I wanted to know if its normal that the font in firefox doesnt look smooth by default
23:23<somiaj>looks smooth to me
23:24<somiaj>how unsmooth is it, could it be something isn't installed/configured correctly on your system.
23:24<somiaj>maybe something with your gtk theme
23:25<gneww>it looks very thin with sharp edges thats it. i didnt configure anything. it looks different from what it looked like in ubuntu thats all
23:25<gneww>this is a clean and new debian install
23:25<somiaj>what desktop did you install?
23:25<gneww>xfce
23:25<somiaj>do you have a screenshot you could share?
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23:26<gneww>just a sec
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23:32<gneww>https://imgur.com/6Ce91Gc thats a screnshot
23:32<gneww>you see it looks 'sharp' as if it didnt have AA
23:33<somiaj>I guess I don't even notice it, but I'm not that picky about fonts.
23:33<somiaj>could be the default fonts being used, and these can be changed, see if xfce has a font configuration tool somehwere.
23:33<somiaj>there are also various font packages you can install for other fonts.
23:33<gneww>cool thx ill look into it
23:33<somiaj>I was expecting mroe like bitmap fonts over ttf fonts
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23:36<somiaj>might just be ubuntu installs different fonts by default. I think the default fonts in debian are DejaVu sans, etc
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