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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-06-12

---Logopened Tue Jun 12 00:00:50 2018
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00:33-!-sunilmohan_ is "Sunil Mohan Adapa" on #debian #freedombox #debian-blends #freedombox-ci #debian-diaspora #debian-js #pere #debian-in #debian-boot #monkeysphere #debian-webapps #debian-reproducible
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00:55<MnxCool>Пр
00:55<MnxCool>кто онлайн
00:58<jm_>!ru
00:58<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
01:02<MnxCool>Hi
01:02<MnxCool>!ru
01:02<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
01:02<MnxCool>!en
01:02<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
01:02<MnxCool>!uk
01:02<dpkg>i guess uk is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and comprises the countries of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. (Under ISO 3166-1, it should have been .gb not .uk, but that never quite caught on.)
01:02<MnxCool>!ua
01:02<dpkg>Ukraine - ua ukr 804 User Agent. It refers to web clients, and what they send to the web server as "who they are". It can be easily faked.
01:02<jm_>can you please stop?
01:02<jm_>or at least do it via /msg dpkg ...
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01:53<jesseos>not sure how this works
01:53<jm_>!ask
01:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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03:25<dongfanghong>hello
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07:20<gepardo>Hello. My Debian becomes unusable (some processes cannot be terminated, sudo not working etc.) after some time. It happens when I create a Wi-Fi hotspot. In the kernel logs I found this: https://paste.debian.net/1028869/. Can the firmware crash lead to such behaviour?
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07:29<petn-randall>gepardo: That's a kernel oops, yes. When things like that happen, all bets are off.
07:31<gepardo>petn-randall: That means that further behaviour after such crash is unpredictable?
07:31<petn-randall>gepardo: Yes.
07:31<gepardo>gepardo: Got it, thank you
07:32<petn-randall>gepardo: It can range from nothing happening to filesystem corruption or other nasty things.
07:32<petn-randall>or complete system stall.
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07:38<minikdo>hi, I'm looking for something to crop a pdf. Any ideas?
07:39<Anarka>theres a pdfcrop :) in pkg texlive-extra-utils
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07:40<minikdo>Anarka: ;-) gui would be better
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07:40<Anarka>hummm i wonder if google knows about those
07:41<minikdo>Anarka: none of the recommended there are in Debian, tho
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08:22<grummund>The installer doesn't seem to accomodate creating RAID1 array from encrypted partitions. Is that right, and is there any other way to (reliably) do it?
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08:26<grummund>"reliable" as in won't subsequently be broken by a package upgrade.
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08:39<blast007>grummund: are you creating the RAID1 array and then putting the encrypted partitions on the array, possibly on top of LVM?
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08:42<petn-randall>grummund: How are you putting the layers? It does work, I've done it before.
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08:46<grummund>individual disks with LUKS encryption, so they have master key blocks, and then RAID1 on top.
08:46<grummund>*separate master keys i should say.
08:48<blast007>is there a specific reason you're doing it in that order?
08:48<grummund>petn-randall: i knoww, you said... but it's not offering me the encrypted drive as an option when creating the array.
08:49<petn-randall>grummund: I recommend the following from bottom to top: RAID1 | LUKS | LVM.
08:49<grummund>blast007: yes. (if it can be done without too much trickery)
08:50<petn-randall>grummund: The advantages are as follows: 1) You only need to type the password once 2) You have only half the CPU load from en/decrypting data.
08:50<grummund>petn-randall: that seems the *only* stock order, afaict.
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09:00<grummund>how do you safely dispose of a drive (perhaps faulty) that has been securely encrypted? In theory you just "forget" the passphrase and the data will never be recovered. But not so with shared master key.
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09:03<petn-randall>grummund: It's enough to wipe the LUKS key header. And after that you can do a secure erase to be safe.
09:04<petn-randall>grummund: Without the header, the data cannot be recovered, unless you have a backup. If you also ATA secure erase it, there's nothing to recover from.
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09:05<Zimsky>if you don't care about the drive, disassemble it and shatter the platters
09:07<grummund>petn-randall: except the key is shared. and wiping may not be possible.
09:08<petn-randall>grummund: What do you mean with "the key is shared"? Do you use the same LUKS header on several different installations?
09:08<petn-randall>key != password
09:08<grummund>it is shared across raid1 array
09:11<grummund>LUKS passphrase simply unlocks the master key. In principle the passphrase could be same for each disk in the array (you would change it when disosing of a drive) but the master keys are independent.
09:11<petn-randall>grummund: If you have LUKS below RAID1, you can simply mark the fauly disk as failed, white the LUKS header and you're good.
09:12<petn-randall>grummund: Just make backups of them first and take extra precautions to ensure you're wiping the right disk.
09:13<grummund>does the installer facilitate LUKS below RAID1? That is the question. ;)
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09:13<grummund>afaict, it does not.
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09:18<petn-randall>grummund: No, it put LUKS on top of RAID1.
09:19<grummund>alright, thanks.
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10:25<microbe>Hello. Is there a chanel on this server where we can ask coding related questions ?
10:25<petn-randall>microbe: Which programming language?
10:25<microbe>PHP & JS
10:25<microbe>:)
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10:26<microbe>I just noticed that there's a php chan
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10:50<microbe>Can you see my ip ?
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10:56<jhutchins_wk>109.143.169.3
10:57<microbe>Why is it not masked ?
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10:57<petn-randall>microbe: Maybe you didn't mask it?
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11:00<jhutchins_wk>petn-randall: It's like a phone number. It's in the phone book. Masking it from caller id doesn't do much.
11:00<microbe>Usually when i connect to an IRC server, it is automatically masked by the ircd
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11:01<jhutchins_wk>microbe: I guess oftc assumes you're not up to any nefarious activity you'd need to hide from the casual public.
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11:04<microbe>I am only half reassured whith that explanation lol
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11:10<adminewb>I have a question about use of ndiswrapper on a stretch installation: when "ndiswrapper -i" installs the winxp driver files, where are they stored? if the original driver extraction took place under /tmp say, would some other storage location need to be set up manually?
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11:39<doug>For a desktop OS, would you rather you Debian Testing or Debian Unstable?
11:40<bremner>doug: ask in #debian-next
11:40<doug>Thanks.
11:41<petn-randall>doug: Debian stable, unless you want to help beta-test our unfinished release.
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11:43<doug>I wouldn't mind helping out in that way. Also getting more up-to-date software is nice. Found this page that was helpful: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html
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11:48<onee-chan>hello
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11:49<onee-chan>any ETA on when linux 4.17 will be in testing?
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11:54<petn-randall>onee-chan: When it's ready.
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11:55<petn-randall>onee-chan: Though, given that it's not even packaged for sid yet, 5 days + X.
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11:55<sarah>HELLO
11:55<petn-randall>hi sarah
11:55<sarah>can you help me pls
11:55<petn-randall>sarah: Only if you ask.
11:56<sarah>how can i hack a facebook account
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11:56<onee-chan>petn-randall well I knew that, haha. Though my problem is I have a AMD Vega8 which is very buggy with 4.16.
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11:58<microbe>sarah, first of all you have to make a donation to the Debian Fundation. https://www.debian.org/donations
11:58<petn-randall>sarah: Swing with your torso, not with your arms. Do you have a Debian support question?
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12:00<sarah>not yet
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12:03<petn-randall>sarah: Are you running Kali?
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12:04<sarah>petn-randall:i'm using parrot
12:05<petn-randall>!parrot
12:05<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
12:05<petn-randall>sarah: Try asking in their channel. ^^^
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12:05<petn-randall>sarah: Make sure to use ALL CAPS when asking questions, they're a little deaf over there.
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12:07<microbe>petn-randall the only thing that equals your knowledge is your verve :)
12:09<sarah>petn-randall:could you give me the link of their channel?
12:09<petn-randall>sarah: Read the factoid:
12:09<petn-randall>!parrot
12:09<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
12:11<sarah>petn-randall: thx and http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo
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12:12<petn-randall>They must be real security pros if they haven't even gotten the HTTPS certificate right.
12:12<sarah>petn-randall:and if I do not have a bank account or credit card how will I donate to the debian foundation?
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12:13<petn-randall>sarah: No idea, it wasn't my suggestion.
12:14<sarah>so i can't ask anything bfr this donation?
12:14<bremner>sarah: that was probably a joke
12:15<bremner>sarah: you can ask about Debian here, but you should ask about parrot in the other place
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12:16<sarah>bremner:okok understood
12:17<endless>HELLO
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12:18<sarah>endless:hi do you have any idea how to hack a facebook account not with the bruteforce but by cracking codes?
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12:22<microbe>sarah, except if you're a highly skilled professional pentester, or if you're willing to pay 50k$ for someone doing this for you, i strongly suggest that you learn about social engineering and trojan/backdoors. That said, hacking is bad and illegal in many countries
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12:23<unicorne98>microbe:i know that but I do not do it to ruin someone's life but to protect myself
12:24<petn-randall>unicorne98: What you're asking for is still offtopic, and will get you muted if you continue to ask people here.
12:24<petn-randall>(and illegal without consent of the account owner)
12:24<unicorne98>microbe:and in my country there are not many hackers since I live in a poor country
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12:25<petn-randall>unicorne98: Madagaskar?
12:25<unicorne98>petn-randall:yes
12:25<microbe>lot of SE from there
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12:25<petn-randall>unicorne98: I've just informed the police, good luck.
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12:26<unicorne98>petn-randall:lol
12:32<microbe>Maybe he/she is actually a madagascarian cops involved in national cyber-security. who knows
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12:34<unicorne98>microbe: no i'm not i'm just trying to protect myself
12:36<TomasCZ>unicorne98, you want to protect yourself on facebook? That was never easier: 1. Find how to delete your facebook account. 2. make sure you or your computer never visits facebook.com with hosts files or similar.
12:36<TomasCZ>file*
12:36<TomasCZ>unicorne98, no need to whack.
12:38<unicorne98>tomasCZ: I have been hacked into my account and I am trying to recover it has been reported and all but it did not shut down while the person who hacked it publishes obscene shells on me
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12:38<TomasCZ>unicorne98, ignore them, those posting the stuff are missing half a brain.
12:39<unicorne98>69/5000
12:39<unicorne98>but thanks anyway for your help and your poor judgment of people
12:39<TomasCZ>unicorne98, you should have mentioned it's internet bullying. Either way we are super off topic in here.
12:40<microbe>unicorne98, you should go to the local police and explain it
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12:40<petn-randall>!ot
12:40<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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12:41<unicorne98>petn-randall:I hope when you ask someone for help that they take you up and judge you as you did
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12:43<unicorne98>microbe: in my country police is not solution,they can not do anything for you on social networks
12:43<microbe>unicorne98, you wouldnt go in a driving school and just ask on how to make speed excess right ? That's what you're doing on here
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12:45<unicorne98>microbe:understood
12:46<@petn-randall>unicorne98: I also go to my car dealer and ask him about health problems. As dramatic as your issue might be, it's not a topic for a *Debian* support channel.
12:46<@petn-randall>unicorne98: Please respect that you need to go to the right channel for that, or any other offtopic channel.
12:46<@petn-randall>I will start muting people if the discussion continues here.
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13:48<AlterScape>Hey, looking for someone to help me with settuping up a vnc server on debian 9, feel free to pm me
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13:50<retrospectacus>AlterScape: just describe your issue here.
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13:51<chris_69>hi
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13:52<chris_69>hullo everyone
13:52<retrospectacus>chris_69: welcome to #debian. Please just ask your debian support question.
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13:53<chris_69>how can I install wine???
13:53<retrospectacus>!wine
13:53<dpkg>wine is, like, ine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ .https://wiki.debian.org/Wine http://wiki.winehq.org/HowTo http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>.
13:53<attacker>sudo apt-get install wine
13:54<chris_69>yeah but it doesn't run
13:54<retrospectacus>what doesn't run
13:54<chris_69>because wine gecko.......
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13:55<attacker>better upgrade to debian buster (unstable) to have more recent wine with more supported apps
13:55<chris_69>howto upgrade to debian buster???
13:55<attacker>open synaptic
13:56<attacker>are you new to linux?
13:56<chris_69>yes
13:56<attacker>synaptic in system settings
13:56<chris_69>ok
13:56<retrospectacus>you should not upgrade to debian buster...
13:57<chris_69>why??
13:57<retrospectacus>because you are new to Linux. Buster is for people to test the next release, it is not expected to be stable
13:57<retrospectacus>just tell us your actual problem with wine
13:57<chris_69>well
13:57<retrospectacus>on one line
13:57<attacker>I had Debian 9 and upgraded because of newer wine version
13:58<drakonis>retrospectacus, testing the new release huh
13:58<drakonis>idgi
13:58<chris_69>when I run wine the shell tells me that wine-gecko is not installed
13:58<drakonis>isn't the new release basically just new packages?
13:59<retrospectacus>drakonis: the next release.
13:59<drakonis>among other changes
13:59<retrospectacus>chris_69: you "run wine"? what is that supposed to do? Wine is for running windows executables
13:59<annadane>testing can break, and is thus generally not recommended for general use
13:59<annadane>if you know what you're doing, sure...
14:00<chris_69>where do you come from?????
14:00<drakonis>well i know what i'm doing
14:00<drakonis>~it is fun~
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14:01<chris_69>What is fun 4 U???
14:02<annadane>chris_69, to install wine, you should "dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt update && apt install wine wine32"
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14:02<chris_69>okey annadane
14:02<annadane>attacker, please don't suggest to new users that they should install testing
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14:03<chris_69>thank you
14:03<annadane>it's a risk some/many people don't want to take, i run unstable, but that's by choice and i accept responsibility if it breaks
14:03<retrospectacus>he appears to have already installed wine. Not sure what he is trying to do now
14:03<chris_69>I have to go
14:04<chris_69>thank you very much
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14:04<retrospectacus>neat
14:04<chris_69>see you
14:04<attacker>okay
14:04<drakonis>okay cool
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14:05<attacker>i am also a bit of newbie (just a year of debian after decade of windows :D)))
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14:09<attacker>is this right place to ask about buster issues?
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14:10<annadane>!debian-next
14:10<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. oftc OFTC oftc oftc OFTC? Invite? Oftc oftc malkovich oftc.
14:11<attacker>ty, bue
14:11<attacker>bye
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14:11<annadane>also, who the heck made that factoid :P
14:12<retrospectacus>!factinfo debian-next
14:12<dpkg>debian-next -- last modified at Tue Oct 15 15:57:53 2013 by retrospectacus!~adama@mahakasyapa.polarhosting.ca; it has been requested 951 times, last by annadane, 2m 17s ago.
14:12<retrospectacus>!literal debian-next
14:12<dpkg>"debian-next" is "<reply>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. oftc OFTC oftc oftc OFTC? Invite? Oftc oftc malkovich oftc."
14:13<annadane>i had thought it was different on freenode
14:13<retrospectacus>I don't think I wrote that...
14:13<annadane>or else i've just never read it
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14:14<annadane>(properly)
14:14<retrospectacus>I may have created it in 2013 but didn't update it with that OFTC stuff... *shrug*
14:15<annadane>yeah no, it definitely wasn't there before
14:15<annadane>someone has hijacked it with malkovich
14:15<retrospectacus>bug in !factinfo
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14:15<annadane>dpkg, no, debian-next is <reply> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
14:15<dpkg>okay, annadane
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14:16<retrospectacus>!factinfo debian-next
14:16<dpkg>debian-next -- last modified 15s ago by annadane!~annadane@mtrlpq5302w-lp140-01-69-156-33-63.dsl.bell.ca; it has been requested 952 times, last by annadane, 3m 6s ago.
14:16<retrospectacus>huh
14:16<annadane>i mean i guess it could have been left alone but...
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14:24<jhutchins_wk>Isn't the factoid database common to both networks?
14:24<annadane>yeah it is
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16:01<dzod>Hi, could you tell me. Where to find the log of apt-get dist-upgrade?
16:01<dzod>I find the log just apt-get upgrade
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16:19<Guest5294>hello
16:20<dzod>dpkg.log NO, upgrade, нужно dist-upgrade
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17:27<ruka>hola
17:28<retrospectacus>hello
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17:29<ruka>you speak spanish ?
17:29<retrospectacus>no.
17:29<retrospectacus>!es
17:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
17:29<ruka>:(
17:30<ruka>you hacker ?
17:31<ruka>or cracker?
17:32<Zimsky>watercracker
17:32<retrospectacus>check the bug tracker
17:34<ruka>sos tester ?
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18:51<iStrive>I'm trying to extract the audio portion from a list of m4p files in the same folder, my command find . -type f -iname '*.mp4' | while read f; do ffmpeg -i "$f" -vn -acodec copy "${f%.*}.aac"; done does the first file and stops... what am I missing?
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18:52<microbe>a foreach ?
18:53<retrospectacus>ffmpeg eats stdin that was supposed to go to the while loop. I believe the solution is; do ffmpeg .... < /dev/null ; done
18:53<iStrive>let me try that approach!
18:54<retrospectacus>http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/089
18:54<iStrive>you are absolutely right! that was it!
18:55<iStrive>adding the redirect fixed the error!
18:55<iStrive>Thank you!!!!!
18:55<retrospectacus>dope
18:55<microbe>what does mean "dope" in this context ?
18:56<retrospectacus>"great"
18:57<bremner>phat
18:57<retrospectacus>noice
18:58<microbe>Thank you :)
18:59<Wolololol>plasma 5.13.0 rox
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18:59<TheRedFox>That's not available in Debian yet, is it?
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19:07<annadane>no, not even in unstable
19:08<annadane>some plasma transitions take forever, others finish sooner
19:08<annadane>stable, of course, still has 5.7
19:08<annadane>5.8*
19:08<TheRedFox>that's what I thought.
19:09<TheRedFox>I've actually been meaning to try kde for a while now. I think I might finally do that. It's a lot to install though, just to try it out
19:09<TheRedFox>going from a GTK based DE
19:10<annadane>it's fine but does not cooperate with nouveau
19:10<annadane>enjoy your freezes and crashes
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19:11<TheRedFox>That's definitely a problem for some, I'm sure. I have a (kinda old) intel hd graphics, tho.
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19:14<annadane>and plasma on debian not-stable (testing/sid)... have fun with the qt package transitions
19:15<annadane>it's just... uggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh
19:15<annadane>best to just learn one window manager well
19:15<TheRedFox>Yeah, I definitely don't know if it's worth it, but I can always uninstall it
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19:16<TheRedFox>even if uninstalling a whole DE can be a pain
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19:18<Wolololol>smart is to use more than one distro
19:18<Wolololol>plus you can VM other distros and try other WM/DE's
19:19<Wolololol>flash drives are cheap just multiboot a bunch if you want bare metal live
19:19<TheRedFox>That's true I suppose. I actually have like 5 empty flash drives sitting around.
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19:21<TheRedFox>VMs... I haven't ever tried using them, but it would probably be worth learning.
19:22<Wolololol>oracle virtualbox is nice.
19:22<Wolololol>free.
19:23<Wolololol>just need to make sure you enter UEFI/BIOS whatever you have and enable VT-x extensions and save/exit
19:23<Wolololol>works fine. theres a portable version that will run the 32 bit without VT-x too if you need that
19:25<annadane>don't get me started on virtualization, it breaks half the time
19:25<annadane>i wish everything were as easy as virtualbox
19:26<Wolololol>basically distros are friendly with virtualbox and everything just works. video audio etc. all video drivers just work. you can install the guest additions easily too
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19:26<Wolololol>should work even without them. its not new but still good. vmware is cool too but proprietary
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19:27<TheRedFox>That sounds pretty accessible
19:27<Wolololol>you can run whatever hardened distro you want in a vm and vpn it from there. host OS knows no better. locked down. tunnel inside tunnel inside tunnel with unbound local cached dns
19:27<Wolololol>yep its super easy. basically everything except walmart.com has a guide how to do it
19:28<Wolololol>the only thing is one reboot and go into BIOS/UEFI and make sure VT-x is enabled or you don't get enough addressed memory on a 64 bit and it wont run
19:28<annadane>why virt-manager *isn't* plug and play and gives me permission denied half the time, i'll never know
19:28<Zimsky>walmart actually has a guide
19:28<annadane>piss off and let me do my virtualizing
19:29<TheRedFox>right. I will remember that.
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19:31<Wolololol>lol walmart has a guide. but it's on clearance and the last one is in Houston, TX and you know that is a problem
19:32*jc pisses off
19:32<Wolololol>^finally
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19:34<Wolololol>mn.charter.com ah finally somebody to hack
19:34<Wolololol>lol
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20:05<diegosca>ciao
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20:10<annadane>!it
20:10<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
20:10<annadane>diegosca, ^
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20:18<ais-admin>dunno why you have virtualization problems annadane - I have found kvm/qemu quite easy and stable - too easy in fact that I got ahead of myself and put my system into production before having a well thought out backup system. had I thought it through, I would have realized that a backup system requires lvm for snapshots. I put the server into production without lvm and now I'm suffering for it. Trying a rsync hack now.
20:19<annadane>what do you install, just the qemu metapackage?
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20:24<ais-admin>no kvm and qemu and virt-tools and some other things - sec I'l llook it up
20:24<ais-admin>qemu-kvm libvirt0 virt-manager bridge-utils
20:25<ais-admin>bridge-utils for net adapter sharing
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20:26<annadane>heh, all "foo is the newest version"
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20:28<annadane>which leads me back to f!@$ing virt-manager
20:28<annadane>i'm sure i can diagnose it but i'm lazy
20:28<ais-admin>you on stretch?
20:28<annadane>currently yeah
20:29<annadane>i'll do it "tomorrow"
20:29<annadane>aka, when i feel like it, aka never
20:30<ais-admin>hehe - maybe this: qemu-kvm libvirt-daemon libvirt-daemon-system virtinst bridge-utils
20:30<annadane>same
20:30<ais-admin>hmmm dunno
20:31<annadane>i'm just annoyed it needs to have permissions if everything is isolated
20:32<ais-admin>hmmm as far as my winusers know they are running a standalone Win7 machine. and kvm never complains to me about anything. It just runs the vms
20:33<ais-admin>never had any 'permission' issues
20:33<annadane>well, let me try stuff now
20:33<annadane>may as well
20:33<ais-admin>what is asking for permissions?
20:33<annadane>i'll let you know
20:36<annadane>https://paste.debian.net/1028994/
20:36<annadane>i really want to use free solutions but it's making this very difficult
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20:36<annadane>i don't know whether i had the same issues in sid or not
20:37<annadane>that's with the debian netinst iso, btw
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20:38<annadane>and that's also with entering the root password when promprted
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20:39<ais-admin>running virt-manager as root?
20:39<annadane>no, as regular user, but it prompts for the root password
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20:40<ais-admin>I would try in root shell
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20:40<ais-admin>or add your user to the libvirt adn kvm groups
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20:41<annadane>added user to libvirt and kvm, still get denied
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20:42<annadane>https://paste.debian.net/1028996/
20:42<ais-admin>Maybe you have installed both kvm and qemu-kvm packages? uninstall kvm - use qemu-kvm only
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20:43<annadane>Note, selecting 'qemu-kvm' instead of 'kvm'
20:43<ais-admin>oops
20:43<annadane>permission to set the computer on fire?
20:44<ais-admin>hehe - wow I'm at a loss - if starting virt-manager in a root shell doesnt do it then I dunno
20:44<annadane>well, i didn't try that yet
20:44<annadane>i just added my user to those groyps
20:45<annadane>i can try various combinations of *not* "copy cpu configuration" etc
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20:45<annadane>this isn't even sid, i can understand breakage in sid, but stable, ugh
20:45<ais-admin>there are some who are talking about the modules being loaded as user and not as root - they say to unload the modules and reload them as root - kvm and kvm-intel modules
20:45<annadane>modprobe...?
20:46<ais-admin>rmmod
20:46<ais-admin>This is what one gusy says: As it turns out I had the kvm and kvm-intel modules loaded before changing the permissions. Unloading both modules using rmmod, and then running the virt-install command again seemed to have solved my problem.
20:47<annadane>virt-install?
20:47<annadane>uh...
20:47<ais-admin>When I loaded the module, I was not in the kvm or libvirtd group. I added my user to those groups and relogged, but kvm-intel seems to only read these group things when it loads
20:47<annadane>do i be root to virt-install?
20:48<ais-admin>you know I'm starting to get confoosed as I didnt run into any of these problems
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20:48<annadane>https://paste.debian.net/1028998/ yeah i have no clue what i'm doing
20:48<annadane>oh, it has a man page
20:48<ais-admin>well virt-install is t he command lije version of creating a new vm
20:49<annadane>oh right
20:49<annadane>ok
20:50<ais-admin>ok I see now - you not even loading the kvm modules cause your hardware flag is not set in bios
20:50<annadane>WTF.
20:50<annadane>i thought i had set virtualization to on ages ago
20:50<ais-admin>then something else is prenenving the kvm modules from loading
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20:50<annadane>is it just the generic virtualization flag?
20:50<annadane>i can just go check quickly
20:51<annadane>or first let me see if this fixed it first
20:51<annadane>yeah, NOW it works
20:51<annadane>didn't have to re-enter the BIOS at all
20:52<ais-admin>oh cool
20:53<annadane>adduser foo kvm libvirt && rmmod kvm-intel kvm and virt-install
20:53<annadane>which is still stupid
20:53<annadane>i'll check the BIOS but it shouldn't be that much work
20:53<annadane>whatever, thanks, fixed it
20:54<ais-admin>cool - an lsmod | grep kv will show
20:55<ais-admin>hmm wonder how to make lsmod show what user a module is running as
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20:55<annadane>well, it returns a blank
20:55<annadane>(as normal user)
20:55<ais-admin>ok good - as root?
20:55<annadane>same
20:56<ais-admin>blank?
20:56<annadane>yep
20:56<ais-admin>I have kvm-intel and kvm and irqbypass modules
20:56<ais-admin>id check the bios
20:56<annadane>do people really run virt-manager as root? i'd have thought it's a security problem
20:57<annadane>hmm except now it's being super slow
20:57<ais-admin>yes it will be because its using software emulation only
20:58<ais-admin>qemu is doing 100% of the vortualization
20:58<ais-admin>gotta get the kvm modules loaded - then its quick
20:58<annadane>ok let me delve into the BIOS, then
20:59<annadane>brb
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21:06<annadane>ok, everything checks out, didn't change anything in the BIOS, just rebooted and apparently it reloaded the modules
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21:07<annadane>so now i can get around to diagnosing the *other* thing i was trying to, before i had these problems
21:09<Wolololol>i grabbed kde neon iso 2 days ago. just grabbed today's. its one way to use the new plasma 5.13.0
21:09<annadane>yeah except neon's not in debian
21:09<Wolololol>opensuse i use tumbleweed so i can just update when i boot it
21:09<Wolololol>just saying here so people can know how to boot it since debian runs slower release cycles
21:10<Wolololol>but like if debian had it ready id say it here too
21:10<somiaj>not sure how that supports debian stable.
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21:11<Wolololol>well i hope it nudges because it has better memory usage
21:11<annadane>yeah neon isn't even in unstable, it's just not a debian thing
21:12<Wolololol>i get it it's a separate distro. i grabbed it when i saw it on the cover of a magazine at a store
21:12<Wolololol>i don't only run one distro nor do i only run one flavor of debian
21:13<somiaj>that's fine, but this channel is for debian stable support.
21:13<Wolololol>789 linux users i get it
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21:15<annadane>ais-admin, thanks, was driving me crazy
21:15<annadane>i still don't know why that happens and it's annoying but i know how to fix it now
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21:17<Wolololol>Any ETA on shipping Plasma 5.13.0 with Debian/Ubuntu/Kali etc
21:17<annadane>no and i think you'll just need to ask the maintainer (though i don't necessarily condone it as it's irritating for them to have people ask)
21:18<annadane>the update to one KDE version took forever and then another was relatively quick, for 5.13 who knows
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21:18<annadane>it's quicker if you help out upstream, as well
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21:18<Wolololol>oh ok thank you.
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21:19<annadane>this is all volunteer basis (except maybe ubuntu, i don't know how canonical does it)
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21:20<Wolololol>Yup
21:20<annadane>and periodically check incoming.debian.org
21:20<Wolololol>I run rolling kali
21:20<ais-admin>good news annadane re the module reload
21:20<Wolololol>I'll get it probably as soon as it happens
21:21<annadane>well, kali of course is not debian
21:21<Wolololol>right but apt/sources can cooperate most of the time
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21:22<annadane>sounds like a great way to break your system
21:22<Wolololol>nope. its the only way to install some things tbh
21:22<Wolololol>depends on if libs/deps will work
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21:23<annadane>i see plasma-framework on incoming.d.o so i suspect debian sid will have 5.13 soon
21:23<somiaj>Wolololol: desktops have a slow lag getting into debian just due to the shere number of packages, but my guess is it may make it before buster, since that freezes next january
21:24<Wolololol>oh ok.
21:24<Wolololol>i just wondered how close of tracking debian was doing with kde and how much prep. opensuse does it but true they have $
21:25<Wolololol>annadane: you can add kali repositories to debian as well
21:25<annadane>you *can*. and break your system.
21:25<annadane>best not to, unless you really know what you're doing
21:25<Wolololol>depends on what you add/install yes
21:26<Wolololol>kali rolling releases comes from debian testing
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21:28<Wolololol>uname -a says Debian right in the middle of it too
21:30<sney>!frankendebian
21:30<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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21:30<Wolololol>"Kali Linux Rolling distribution ensures that you get the advantage of continuous releases from Debian testing." So I figure I'll get my Kali install Plasma-new when Debian does it.
21:30<sney>you can do that if you want, but it's completely unsupported so nobody will help you if you break it. and please don't recommend it in official support channels
21:31<Wolololol>im not recommending it im just guessing when I can get it hacked up in Kali. I don't run much pure Debian since 2.6 kernel
21:31<Wolololol>but everybody relies on some Debian
21:32<somiaj>this still is not debian stable support, please stay on topic.
21:32<Wolololol>copy
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21:34<Wolololol>I literally never have questions about actually operating or compiling etc I really just come here to catch the news.
21:34<Wolololol>Take care i gtg
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21:39<ais-admin>annadane do you see modules when you do an lsmod | grep kv ?
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22:03<annadane>ais-admin, yeah
22:06<awal1>annadane, I installed and removed qemu-kvm several times and never had permissions issues. if you want manage it and it's guests via gui, just install 'virt-manager' (+ 'spice-vdagent' if needed; i find it very util) and you will be fine. add your regular user to libvirt and kvm groups. that is all
22:06<awal1>I believe purging all qemu related pkgs and reinstall is easier and faster solution
22:06<annadane>well right, i had it installed before and sometimes it would work (even when i didn't add myself to those groups) and sometimes not
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22:07<annadane>hence the annoyance
22:07<awal1>i always dded my user to the related groups and never had issues
22:07<awal1>and , you should do that
22:08<annadane>apparently.
22:08<awal1>adduser youruser libvirt
22:08<awal1>adduser youruser kvm
22:08<annadane>i just expected more "it should just work", but oh well
22:08<awal1>yes, it just works
22:08<awal1>:)
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22:10<annadane>"permission denied" probably should've tipped me off but i didn't know about removing the modules and reloading
22:10<awal1>spice-vdagent is required for be able to share stuff host«---»guest
22:11<annadane>but figures, there's generally simple solutions for unix
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22:12<awal1>I personally use habitually virtualbox bcoz of fullscreen mode for guest and support for external wifi adapters
22:12<awal1>otherwise , I 'll use qemu-kvm
22:12<awal1>^external usb wifi adapters
22:14<annadane>i was just so friggin' frustrated that i decided to curse virtualizing in general
22:14<annadane>people get frustrated, human nature
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