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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-06-14

---Logopened Thu Jun 14 00:00:44 2018
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01:19<ejr>how can i turn my debian laptop screen into grayscale mode?
01:20<grawity>the screen itself probably doesn't have such a mode, so do it in software
01:20<grawity>some compositors have such a feature
01:21<ejr>hm yeah, when attached to an external display i can usually set it there but I am looking for a software that enables me to go into grayscale on the laptop screen as well
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02:56<nadavr>Howdy #debian. I'm a noob trying to build a .deb file. I have a file called configsite.install in the root directory of my project and an install file with one line: "configsite.service etc/systemd/system". I get the following error with dh binary: "/mnt/c/Git/configsite/debian/configsite.install: 1: /mnt/c/Git/configsite/debian/configsite.install: usr/lib/configsite.service: not found". What am I doing wrong?
02:59<grawity>trying to put packaged units in etc/systemd rather than (usr/)lib/systemd, imho
02:59<grawity>no, that's probably not where the error comes from, but also not a good packaging practice either
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03:10<nadavr>Just putting "configsite.service" doesn't work either. It's really weird, if I put "./configsite.service" it tries to load it as a service: "./configsite.service: 1: ./configsite.service: [Unit]: not found"
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10:34<webmind>hi, I've got two broken packages, supposedly half-installed. Can't get them removed, none of the usual 'dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq' or ' apt-get install --reinstall' work however
10:35<webmind>http://paste.debian.net/1029235/ <-- is what I get when trying to remove
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10:36<Anarka>generic ? is that a deb package ?
10:37<Anarka>google says its not...
10:37<somiaj>thse doesn't appear to be debian, debian does not have 4.4.0 as its kerneel in any release
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10:47<webmind>damn
10:47<webmind>you are right
10:47<webmind>it's not a debian system, sorry
10:47<webmind>any tips on forcing de-installs still welcome
10:48<somiaj>you should go ask the distro you are using, often times the issue is with the package, and not apt/dpkg. And forcing thigs is often the wrong way to go about it
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10:49<webmind>somiaj: yes, I'll do that.. but tbh this also happens to me with debian
10:49<webmind>and you end up having to create some file or not
10:49<webmind>fake the exit code of a script
10:50<somiaj>if you run debian stable and don't mix things, stuff like that shouldn't happen. Usually it is user configuration issues. Debian stable undergoes a lot of testing to ensure all packages work well
10:50<somiaj>!don't break debian
10:50<dpkg>somebody said dont break debian was https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
10:50<somiaj>standard advise to ensure stuff like that doens't happen on debian
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10:53<webmind>somiaj: stuff like this I usually end up with when for instance a system loses power during a package install
10:54<somiaj>well I would fix the real issue, which is the fact you are loosing power during critical operations
10:54<somiaj>depending on when the power is lost apt -f install can help, but this is besides the point, your current issue is not with debian.
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10:55<webmind>somiaj: indeed, I don't have an issue with debian. I do have an issue I need to solve, and these sometimes happen on debian systems
10:56<webmind>so I'm trying to find solutions with that system
10:56<webmind>and having powerloses, is something I have to deal with here
10:56<webmind>not too often, but once in a while it does collide with a package installation
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10:58<mnuhmnuh>webmind: just use a laptop w a failing battery for a while. you'll find it can generally fix itself once power returns.
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10:58<mnuhmnuh>s/it/the system/
11:01<webmind>mnuhmnuh: not an option for this situation
11:01<webmind>sorry, but please trust me when I say I have to deal with this. I'm only asking for help on how to deal with it
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11:13<grove>A loss of power during package installation can causes too many different issues that I don't think non-situation specific help is possible
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11:16<webmind>ok
11:17<webmind>what about just removing everything the packages has placed?
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11:17<mnuhmnuh>such as libc?
11:18<webmind>isn't that it's own package?
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11:21<mnuhmnuh>databases can be rolled back, backups recovered, but expecting that level of granularity from packaging tools is too much.
11:23<webmind>hmm, usually the problems here are fairly minimal though, a package uninstall script giving an error because a file that it wants to remove does not exist
11:24<webmind>or a shutdown script that fails to shutdown because the application was broken and always returns an error
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11:29<blast007>get yourself a UPS
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11:58<jhutchins_wk>webmind: A simple answer might be to just create an empty file for it to remove with touch.
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11:58<luis_>hola
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12:07<webmind>jhutchins_wk: for those particular cases yes
12:07<webmind>just seems something that in those cases the scripts shouldn't fail
12:08<webmind>finding out that that is the case can be quite a pita at times, especially grub doesn't provide a sensible error, just that a file doesn't exist, not which file.
12:09<webmind>I'm guessing these should be requests made towards the package maintainers though
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12:11<somiaj>we are unsure what extra install scripts this non debian package has included that could be failing, you should really be asking support from the person who created said kernel package you are using.
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12:15<Guest5513>Hi all. Pulseaudio broke for me on unstable since an update I did yestarday. It took me a long time to at least get sound to work again, and it only does when I manually run `pactl load-module module-detect && pactl load-module module-alsa-sink` (if I only run the first, only HDMI output shows up in pavucontrol). Even after that, the configuration tab in pavucontrol says no card is available for
12:15<Guest5513>configuration. Anyone else experiencing something similar?
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12:15<somiaj>unstasble questions belong in #debian-next
12:16<Guest5513>Oh, thanks somiaj
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13:46<webmind>somiaj: I stopped talking about this particular package the moment I realised it wasn't a debian system
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13:57<somiaj>webmind: where mostly talking about hypethetical situations though, in general debian stable should nto have this issue. Yes a power outtage at the wrong time during a package install could have a strange affect, in most cases apt -f install or dpkg --configure -a will fix it.
13:57<somiaj>If you regurally have power failers during package installs/upgrades, that sounds like another problem to be fixed
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13:59<annadane>what is -a, all?
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13:59<petn-randall>"all pending"
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14:02<Guest5519>hi, i'm completely new to glade, first time in this channel. Is there a database plugin for glade to create a gtk database frontend?
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14:14<mnuhmnuh>webmind: meant to mention "dpkg --configure -a" sometimes (when necessary) helps recovery.
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15:15<lavamind>I want to make a .deb with a Perl package from CPAN, but the version there fails tests so dh-make-perl doesn't work, however the Perl package's git repository contain the fix
15:15<lavamind>and the fix isn't publish on CPAN
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15:20<annadane>try #debian-mentors?
15:20<annadane>lavamind, ^
15:20<lavamind>annadane: I fixed it with "cpan -f"
15:20<lavamind>ugly, but works
15:20<lavamind>thanks
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15:26<webmind>mnuhmnuh: yeah, good suggestion, I did try it
15:27<mnuhmnuh>i now see somiaj already mentioned it.
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15:40<somiaj>annadane: packaging questions are better directed to #packaging, #debian-mentors is for getting a package into debian archives.
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15:42<annadane>noted, thanks
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16:18<Guest5531>total newbie here... hoping to chat with former MS reformant
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16:19<Guest5531>yup
16:19<annadane>!chat
16:19<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
16:20<Guest5531>fry bacon naked... naked now!!!!
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16:21<Guest5531>oh well then that was un called for
16:21<Guest5531>so sorry
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17:27<Sarp>Hello
17:28<Sarp>is any person online there ?
17:29<annadane>!ask
17:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
17:29<annadane>Sarp, ^
17:29<Sarp>Hi im new here
17:29<annadane>welcome. :)
17:30<Sarp>i want a person to tell me more about this chat
17:31<annadane>this is a support channel for debian, mainly debian stable
17:31<annadane>sometimes oldstable as well
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17:31<Sarp>just for supporting is here ? can people ask for anything else ?
17:32<annadane>well, they can ask general questions about debian, policy questions etc, maybe a few other things
17:34<Sarp>Thank you very much !
17:35<Sarp>well did you know about other annon chats ? Couse i have some other questions for some information that are not for Debian !
17:35<annadane>well, what are you seeking information about? if you tell us, we can direct you to the right channel
17:36<Sarp>Yes sure i want some chats that share information about forex arbitrage
17:36<Sarp>or poker arbitrage
17:37<annadane>i have no idea, unfortunately
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17:37<Sarp>what about other persons that are here ? is anyone to tell me something ? have they read our messages or no ?
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17:39<annadane>sure, there are lots of people here, they're just idling
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17:40<Sarp>thanks , i hope anyone to answer here to me .
17:40<annadane>i don't know what forex is, i'm sure there are poker channels, but in my irc client you can get a list of irc channels by typing /list
17:41<annadane>i don't know where those channels would be that you're asking about though
17:41<Sarp>but did you know any other chat who is talked about manner of make money online
17:41<annadane>errrr
17:41<annadane>reputable channels as opposed to blatant scams?
17:41<annadane>no idea...
17:43<Sarp>but where can i search for poker channels ?\
17:43<Sarp>forex is trading
17:43<annadane>try asking google
17:44<somiaj>If you are inretsted in channels on oftc, ask in #oftc, though I doubt the chanells in which you sepak are on this network
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17:46<Sarp>i dont know how to use XCHAT software
17:47<Sarp>thats why i dont know how to find chatrooms
17:47<annadane>OFTC in general is for free software channels so i doubt it has poker discussion, or whatever
17:47<annadane>chat.freenode.net is more for general channels
17:47<annadane>you may find something there
17:49<Sarp>thanks
17:50<Sarp>i am trying to find how to go there
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17:51<annadane>Sarp, try /connect chat.freenode.net
17:52<annadane>failing that, /server chat.freenode.net
17:52<somiaj>freenode may not have such things either, it too is more centered around opensource communititeis.
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17:52<annadane>is it, i thought it was more general
17:52<annadane>as i said, try searching the internet for what you want
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17:55<somiaj>it is more general, as not mostly debian projects
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17:57<somiaj>fwiw, you have to update the initramfs is using ln -fs /dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link to disable predictable interface names
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21:45<lappy>hi, is this the channel to ask for help? im wondering if i can get keepass 2 syncing with google drive on linux mint debian version
21:45<abrotman>For Debian, yes. Mint has their own support channels
21:46<lappy>ok ill check over there, i assumed the debian version was different
21:48<annadane>you mean this ISN'T the right place to ask my black arch debian kali wheezy parrot questions?
21:48<lappy>ok ok
21:49<annadane>not making fun of you specifically, OFTC just gets a lot of this :P
21:49<lappy>lol yea i see how silly it is
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