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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-06-15

---Logopened Fri Jun 15 00:00:42 2018
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02:24<yoga>Hi, Where an I find a.deb Emacs 26.1 file?
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02:28<jm_>you mean 46.1?
02:29<somiaj>I think they mean 26, that is the newer version of emacs.
02:29<jm_>why is it versioned 46.1 in stretch?
02:29<jm_>but yeah it depends on emacs24, so confusing :)
02:30<somiaj>yoga: emacs26 has not been packaged for debian yet, and it may not make it to stretch, unless it is provided via stretch-backports. At this time version 25 is the newest version in debian
02:30<somiaj>,v emacs25
02:30<judd>Package: emacs25 on amd64 -- stretch: 25.1+1-4+deb9u1; stretch-security: 25.1+1-4+deb9u1; buster: 25.2+1-6+b2; sid: 25.2+1-6+b2; experimental: 1:25.2+1-7
02:30<somiaj>jm_: meta packages often don't have useful version numbers.
02:30<jm_>somiaj: yeah, understandable
02:32<somiaj>but first someone has to put it in sid. 26.1 was only released May 28th, and there is often a delay for the matainer to package it for debian. The newest version avaiable in the stretch repos is going to be 25.1
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09:38<drzacek>Hi
09:39<drzacek>I just added second monitor to help me work. Is there a way to show on taskbar only windows that are displayed on given monitor?
09:40<drzacek>right now I have taskbar on both monitors, they are identicall, have about 10 windows opened, would be nice if on left monitor only the 3 windows from that monitors showed up on the taskbar
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09:41<petn-randall>drzacek: Not really, I think. At least not with xfce.
09:42<drzacek>petn-randall, I'm on plasma, just found a setting that does just that. Instead it doesn't
09:42<petn-randall>drzacek: What is the setting exactly called?
09:43<petn-randall>drzacek: There is a setting (also in xfce) to show only per "workspace", but that's a specific term that refers to the virtual workspaces that you can switch with ctrl + alt + left/right.
09:43<drzacek>petn-randall, not sure, I'm using polish language version so no idea how it's called in english, but you right click on the tasks and go to settings, there is a filter
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09:44<petn-randall>drzacek: I'm guessing it's referring to virtual workspaces, try switching them.
09:44<drzacek>it worked for the "left" monitor, wanted to do the same for central monitor, but instead of showing the tasks from central monitor, it shows tasks from left monitor
09:44<petn-randall>Hmm, maybe some of the KDE users here can help you.
09:47<drzacek>I asked in #kde@freenode
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15:30<dwfreed>anybody know how to fix aptitude using 'lqqqk' line-drawing? LANG=en_US.UTF-8 TERM=xterm-256color
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15:33<dwfreed>it works fine with TERM=screen-256color, but if you're not in screen, exiting aptitude will break character rendering (probably does an ISO 2022 sequence that changes the character set)
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15:44<dwfreed>and it works fine using ubuntu 16.04's xterm-256color definition...
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16:28<dwfreed>so it seems my terminal got in some funky state and 'reset' didn't help; though aptitude falling back to lqqqk as a result was weird...
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16:48<nezZario>Really silly question, but I've never noticed it before. Since when is /var/run/ a symlink to /run ?
16:49<nezZario>Also, ... is there any explaination as to why? Kind of prevents / being ro
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16:51<petn-randall>nezZario: /run/ usually is a tmpfs.
16:52<petn-randall>nezZario: It's needed to be writeable, most daemons write their PID there.
16:53<nezZario>ah you're right it is a tmpfs , but since when? Maybe I've never noticed but I'm used to /var/run/ just being a normal directory under /var, ... is there reasoning for not using just /var/run/ as a normal directory? I'm just curious
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17:02<retrospectacus>!run
17:02<dpkg>/run is a new cross-distribution location for storing transient writable files needed from system startup to shutdown, but do not require preserving across reboots. It replaces several locations in the <FHS>. http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory
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17:46<grawity>nezZario: I guess the article doesn't quite explain why /run appeared
17:47<grawity>nezZario: main problem is that /var can quite often be mounted from a separate disk, so how do you access /var/run before it's mounted
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18:27<rpifan>hi im having issues with pulseaudio, it shows my card as being dummy output only, ive tried al lte usual trick even deleted the /etc/pulse folder and resintalled and same issue
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20:26<melissa666>I'm using binwalk to examine some a firmware image and the output looks like this: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/dahYbm6dpTd2eLnEq8Vs/ ... how do I decompress and examine the lzma compressed data listed there? I tried `binwalk -e firmware-image.bin` but I am getting an error "ARNING: Extractor.execute failed to run external extractor 'sasquatch -p 1 -le -d '%%squashfs-root%%' '%e'': [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
20:26<melissa666>'sasquatch': 'sasquatch'"
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20:26<melissa666>The instructions I found online point me to a git repo, and tell me to clone it and run the build script --> https://github.com/devttys0/sasquatch/blob/master/build.sh
20:27<melissa666>... but as you can see, this basically just downloads a specific version of squashfs-tools, patches it, and then does sudo make install (which will overwrite the debian packaged version). what is a better way to do this, to have it install safely alongside system version?
20:27<melissa666>(and ideally, be easy to remove later)
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21:19<somiaj>melissa666: usually configure scripts default to /usr/local as the prefix and shouldn't mess with debian packages. If this is not the case, check if you can cofnigure it to use /usr/local, and then maybe use something like stow or check-install to manage it.
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21:25<catsup>Debian stretch changes my console resolution somewhere during the systemd-based startup. Where is this code that does this? What is the tool to do this?
21:26<somiaj>this is most likely the kms driver for your video card matching a native resolution of your monintor using the edid. Do you want bigger text on your consoles?
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21:26<somiaj>usually it is best to use the kms resoltion chosen, and this happens when the ksm module is laoded.
21:27<catsup>i want to move that program into the initramfs so that I can see the full kernel crash message because it doesn't boot
21:27<somiaj>it really isn't a program it is the module for your video card. What video card do you have?
21:28<catsup>i can include the module then
21:28<catsup>is that all i need to do? i don't know the video card
21:28<somiaj>you could also just makedir /var/log/journal for persistant journald configs, and then have logs
21:28<catsup>it's crashing in the initramfs so i don't have any logs
21:30<catsup>i see the problem, you need to select the specific module for the video card
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21:40<sergio>boa noite
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21:40<Guest5616>tUDO BEM
21:41<Guest5616>oLA
21:41<somiaj>catsup: that is strange, usually that is not needed.
21:41<somiaj>Guest5616: this is a debian support channel in english. There are other channels for other langauges.
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21:49<catsup>somiaj: huh? if i don't need a video card specific module then what module do i need? i thought of vesafb.ko but it does not even exist anymore, apparently (only uvesafb.ko but i'm not sure that is right)
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21:52<b17>catsup, don;t know the video card? why not?
21:52<catsup>i just don't know off hand
21:52<b17>wtf
21:55<catsup>is there something i can run that will tell me the kernel video module?
21:55<b17>that would be the first thing i'd do when trying to solve it
21:55<somiaj>catsup: figure out what video card you have, so you can blacklist the kms module
21:55<catsup>i can run things on the system right now
21:55<somiaj>catsup: lspci will tell you what hardware is on the pci bus, thus the videocard
21:57<catsup>well i don't have lspci
21:57<catsup>but the rootfs i have definitely knows how to change the resolution
21:57<catsup>it does it during systemd startup
21:57<catsup>so the means to determine the module are there
21:58<somiaj>catsup: look up the model of your machine, really most likely you have intel (i915), ati/amd (radeon), or nvidia (nouveau) -- those are the most common video card companines out there, and most others are way old
21:59<catsup>should be nvidia it seems
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21:59<somiaj>you could blacklist all three of those modules and non of the kms modules would be loaded
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21:59<catsup>but i want to load the kms module
21:59<somiaj>so blacklist nouveau (and if you have the non-free nvidia module isntalled, that is a different story)
21:59<catsup>i want to do just what happens at systemd startup, but do it earlier
22:00<catsup>aha
22:00<somiaj>nvidia is nouveau then
22:00<catsup>modprobe nouveau did it
22:00<catsup>that changed the resolution
22:00<catsup>sweet
22:00<catsup>thanks for your help
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22:01<catsup>lol the message i see i think already solved the issue
22:01<catsup>or at least diagnosed it
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