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---Logopened Tue Jun 19 00:00:00 2018
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00:14<Bad>hi
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01:53<ddlord99>hi
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01:53<annadane>hi.
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02:49<Yst>I just noticed that all my files in a few directories have the wrong file extension. Given that I know the current extension (same for all files) and the correct extension (again, same for them all), what's the quickest way to rename all the files?
02:50<themill>prename is nice
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02:51<themill>now known as "file-rename" from the "rename" package
02:51<themill>,i rename
02:51<judd>Package rename (perl, optional) in stretch/amd64: Perl extension for renaming multiple files. Version: 0.20-4; Size: 12.2k; Installed: 36k; Homepage: https://metacpan.org/release/File-Rename
02:51<annadane>which gets apt autoremove'd in sid for whatever reason
02:51<annadane>still don't know wtf that's about
02:51<themill>it used to be part of perl and is now its own package
02:52<Yst>Sweet. Thank you!
02:52<Yst>It looks like the "prename" package still exists as well.
02:53<Yst>Oh, wait. I missed a letter. I was looking at gprename.
02:53*Yst installs "rename"
02:53<themill>things like krename and gprename can do other things too such as including metadata from the file into the filename but for you, file-rename is enough
02:54<themill>there are also tools like mmv fwiw
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02:55<Yst>Yeah, I don't need any metadata-based stuff. I don't even know what metadate the files have; they're JPEGs, which I think have metadata of some sort, but I haven't looked at it.
02:55<Yst>*metadata
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02:57<Yst>Of course. It had to be one of those programs with unhelpful --help output.
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03:02<Yst>Okay, sweet, done. That was much more pleasant than renaming each one individually by hand or writing a one-time-use script to do it.
03:03<annadane>if it's its own package then i wonder if the rename functionality now exists in the updated perl... anyway, off topic
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03:13<themill>annadane: it does not
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03:13<annadane>i'm always a little leery of autoremove in general
03:13<annadane>(is that a word)
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07:08<grummund>Hi, anyone know how /etc/update-motd.d/10-uname gets called? afaict it's neither from /etc/init.d or /etc/cron.d
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07:10<grummund>also /lib/systemd/system/motd.service points to /dev/null
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07:12<jm_>grummund: pam_motd apparently
07:13<grummund>hmm, yeah. it seems a login recreates /run/motd.dynamic
07:13<jm_>yeah it needs that to work
07:14<jm_>https://sources.debian.org/src/pam/1.1.8-3.7/debian/patches-applied/update-motd/?hl=93#L93
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07:17<grummund>so i think the cleanest way to disable is to remove or edit /etc/update-motd.d/10-uname
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07:18<jm_>or specify noupdate in pam.d files I guess
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07:21<grummund>session optional pam_motd.so motd=/run/motd.dynamic
07:21<grummund>session optional pam_motd.so noupdate
07:21<jm_>man pam_motd explains it
07:21<grummund>commenting out the first line inhibits printing uname at login
07:22<grummund>but you need to do this for each pam file that refers
07:24<jm_>I only have two, how many do you have?
07:25<grummund>two also. not such a big deal.
07:29<grummund>editing or removing 10-uname is cleaner imho. less likely to have (or easier to deal with) issues on package upgrades.
07:30<grummund>not going to mess with pam for the sake of cosmetics.
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07:36<jm_>both are marked as conf file so dpkg would present the same choice, albeit with one less prompt with that approach
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07:39<grummund>yep. for an equal likelyhood of /etc/pam.d/... /etc/update-motd.d/... changing. and bearing in mind the relative complexities. ;)
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07:41<grummund>thanks for the pointer.
07:42<jm_>no worries
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07:55<grummund>hmmph, well for quiet logins via the console /etc/pam.d/login needs tweaking anyway. tbh, it doesn't bother me that much. ;)
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09:56<webmind>I'm considering making a debian wikipage on systemd-networkd, wondering what a good page is, where it might need to be linked
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10:27<b17>webmind: i still prefer ifupdown, but arch wiki has pretty good page on it.
10:28<webmind>b17: thank you, that reply seems most unrelated :)
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10:29<webmind>I'm looking for a name to give to a new page on the debian wiki on this subject.
10:30<b17>webmind: i think it should go into wifihowtouse
10:30<b17>maybe the network, and systemd entries also if there is one
10:32<b17>NetworkConfiguration
10:32<webmind>right, and how to name the page itself?
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10:33<b17>there's prolly an irc channel. ask annadane edits them i think
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10:36<b17>https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianWiki
10:38<webmind>thnx
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12:32<mcswag>hi
12:33<mcswag>can anyone help me im new to using linnux and im trying to install something and it opens with package handling what do i do
12:34<Nemoder>what are you trying to install?
12:34<petn-randall>mcswag: What OS release do you have?
12:34<mcswag>roblox
12:34<mcswag>i have mx
12:36<petn-randall>!roblox
12:36<petn-randall>mcswag: I suggest asking in their support channel, or installing Debian.
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12:37<petn-randall>!mx linux
12:37<mcswag>ok
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12:37<petn-randall>Seems to be such an obscure distro that we don't even have a factoid for that.
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12:41<bremner>https://mxlinux.org/
12:41<bremner>dunno how to add factoids to dpkg
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12:42<bremner>they promise user support is one of their strengths!
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12:43<petn-randall>dpkg: mxlinux is <reply>Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/.
12:43<dpkg>petn-randall: okay
12:43<petn-randall>!mxlinux
12:43<dpkg>Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/.
12:44<petn-randall>bremner: Now you know. ^^^
12:44<bremner>hurray!
12:44<retrospectacus>dpkg: mx linux is <reply>see mxlinux
12:44<dpkg>okay, retrospectacus
12:44<retrospectacus>!mx linux
12:44<dpkg>Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/.
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12:44<retrospectacus>that is how to redirect a factoid
12:44<petn-randall>:)
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12:47<bremner>so much learning. I need to take a nap now.
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12:48<retrospectacus>you've earned it ;D
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13:55<roope_>hi
13:55<roope_>can someone help me i dont know how to install roblox on linux
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13:56<bremner>!mxlinux
13:56<dpkg>Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/.
13:57<roope_>btw you're mum huge gey
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13:57<bremner>kids these days, can't even insult properly
13:57<annadane>i bet you still use VIM
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15:26<paulj>how do I get apt to work when trusted.gdg is owned by root group root? Apt seems to be looking for the _apt user
15:27<paulj>trusted.gpg
15:29<retrospectacus>should work fine. Can you show us what you're seeing? http://paste.debian.net
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15:34<retrospectacus>!bat
15:34<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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15:37<retrospectacus>Just number 1 I guess, and ls -la /etc/apt/* or so
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15:39<paulj>I deleted trusted.gpg and the error disappeared. Still seems like a lot of software is not in the repository, like sabnzbd or python-cheetah. As for uploading, I'm a newbie with IRC and have no idea how to do so
15:39<annadane>i'm going out on a limb and saying deleting it isn't a good idea
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15:43<paulj>Yeah some one on the Debian forums suggested it. Too late now. But, why would a new install of Debian be configured out-of-the-box so apt doesn't work?
15:43<paulj>or work properly
15:43<retrospectacus>it isn't
15:44<bremner>those files are world readable
15:44<bremner>actually, I don't have trusted.gpg, only trusted.gpg.d, with some files in it
15:44<retrospectacus>,v python-cheetah
15:44<judd>Package: python-cheetah on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4.4-3; wheezy: 2.4.4-3; stretch: 2.4.4-4; buster: 3.1.0-2; sid: 3.1.0-2
15:45<paulj>I did the net install from the CD-ROM. All of the files in /etc/apt are readable by root:root
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15:45<bremner>and?
15:45<paulj>I see those packages are available directly from the net but why aren't they in Synaptic (repository?)
15:46<retrospectacus>perhaps you are missing a http mirror from sources.list
15:46<paulj>How can I show you the output from terminal?
15:46<bremner>hard to do netinstall without a mirror, no?
15:47<retrospectacus>!pastebinit
15:47<dpkg>A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
15:47<paulj>yeah, used the main one - Debian.us
15:50<retrospectacus>can you successfully do "apt-get update; apt-get install pastebinit"?
15:51<paulj>aptitude: command not found
15:51<retrospectacus>do what I said instead
15:53<paulj>done pastebinit installed successfully it looks like
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15:53<retrospectacus>now you can use it as the robot directed, if you want to show us some output or file(s)
15:54<paulj>the trusted.gpg error is back when I do apt-get update
15:54<jhutchins_wk>paulj: aptitude used to be installed by default, with recent improvements in apt it's left out, but you can install it. It's what I learned to use, so I install it.
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15:54<retrospectacus>paulj: "apt-get updated 2>&1 | pastebinit"
15:54<retrospectacus>update*
15:55<retrospectacus>not "updated".
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15:56<paulj>retrospectacus: you want me to enter that in terminal?
15:57<retrospectacus>yeah. It will send the output (error) to the paste site
15:57<retrospectacus>Then tell us the URL it produces so we can see it
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15:57<paulj>OK give me a minute. I'm on two different computers
15:58<retrospectacus>you could also use a CLI irc client like irssi on the other PC, if you feel up to it
15:59<retrospectacus>along with ... uh I forget the name, that lets you use the mouse on the TTYs
15:59<retrospectacus>mdp or something
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16:00<jhutchins_wk>GPM
16:00<jhutchins_wk>Screen's nice too.
16:00<retrospectacus>yes
16:00<jhutchins_wk>General Purpose Mouse
16:00<paulj>I'm using the web version. Suppose I could quit out and open it on the Debian computer
16:01<jhutchins_wk>paulj: Or just open another session with a slightly different nic.
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16:03<paulj>Used the same Nic - let me change it
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16:04<paulj_>no its working so far on both screens - this screen doesn't show the history
16:05<paulj_>looks like someone changed it for me
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16:05<retrospectacus>that's why he suggested leaving them both open :)
16:06<paulj_>I did
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16:07<paulj_>di
16:07<paulj_>has anything uploaded?
16:07<retrospectacus>no idea. You have to tell us the URL
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16:08<paulj_>http://paste.debian.net/
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16:09<retrospectacus>there should be more to it. If that's all it output then it didn't work.
16:09<paulj_>that was it
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16:09<retrospectacus>you ran "apt-get update 2>&1 | pastebinit"?
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16:10<paulj_>http://paste.debian.net/1029957/
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16:11<jhutchins_wk>paulj: irc clients don't usually store the previous session or connect to an existing session. Most will modify your nic if they see it's already logged in.
16:11<paulj_>I re-ran it. Misunderstood - thought you wanted an asterisk after update
16:11<jhutchins_wk>paulj: So each new session clears the scroll.
16:12<retrospectacus>if you have a browser and all that (we thought you didn't), you can just copy and paste the whole thing from the terminal to http://paste.debian.net
16:12<paulj_>well, no not exactly. The same chat is now going on on both computers. new session doesn't show the scroll
16:12<retrospectacus>anyways /etc/apt/trusted.gpg is not world readable. You can fix that or try to figure out why that file exists at all. Normally it does not.
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16:13<paulj_>I deleted it but it mysteriously reappeared. must be system generated
16:14<retrospectacus>run this I guess: sudo chmod 644 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
16:15<paulj_>Im running as root already
16:15<retrospectacus>ok
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16:16<jhutchins_wk>paulj: Yes, that is how irc works.
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16:17<paulj_>ok changed permissions to 644
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16:19<retrospectacus>now apt-get update should not emit those warnings
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16:22<paulj_>bunch of errors NO PUbKEY... probably a mistake deleting the original
16:23<paulj_>GPG error - another problem to fix
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16:32<kminor>Hey guys, I can't remove package cpp-4.1-doc for the life of me
16:32<retrospectacus>!bat
16:32<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
16:32<retrospectacus>kminor and paulj ^^
16:32<kminor>does anybody know how to do this? dpkg -P doesn't work or anything. It was during a wheezy to jessie dist-upgrade
16:33<kminor>oh my gawd u guys are worthless
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16:34<annadane>then we won't help you
16:35<paulj_>OK I was able to restore my original trusted.gpg setup - found a solution here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/110500/how-to-regenerate-etc-apt-trustdb-gpg-on-debian
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16:36<paulj_>spoke to soon - back to the drawing board
16:37<paulj_>looks like apt is trying to verify the sources using a gpg key. I don't have the right key anymore
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16:38<retrospectacus>you indicated that you installed recently. What else have you done? As we mentioned, this file does not normally exist. You must have done something to cause this situation
16:41<paulj_>I added repositories to Synaptic using the available choices. I installed a wifi driver. I set up ssh and key-pair authentication
16:43<paulj_>why would there be a solution for regenerating trusted.gpg if the file isn't supposed to exist?
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16:44<paulj_>It appears to be part of Canonical Ubuntu Archive Signing Key for its
16:45<retrospectacus>this is over 4 years old and it's for Ubuntu
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16:47<paulj_>true, but my system had the keys on install. I installed late last night. Only did the three things I mentioned and then tried to install programs thru the package manager - which is when the errors started showing up
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16:48<paulj_>I suppose I could just e-install and see what happens, but I've seen other posts on the web with the same problem, even after re-installing
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16:48<retrospectacus>I wouldn't personnally recommend ever using anything but "apt-get", certainly not Synaptic. But the other tools should work
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16:51<paulj_>I''l take that advice. A reinstall won't kill me, this is just a hobby. Maybe I did something to screw it up but it looks like your permissions trick might have solved the problem if I hadn't deleted the orininal key. I assume everyone is talking debian 9.4
16:53<paulj_>Ubuntu is based on Debian isn't it?
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16:53<annadane>yes
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16:53<annadane>debian testing/unstable, specifically
16:54<annadane>(i think, anyway)
16:54<annadane>and maybe LTS is based on stable, not sure
16:54<annadane>i think it's actually generally a combination of all 3 but i don't use ubuntu
16:54<annadane>so um, i barely answered your question, sorry
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16:54<annadane>but "yes, it is"
16:55<b17>sort of like how movies are based on a true story
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16:56<paulj_>well, I have to feed the cats and get on with life. Thanks for the help. I will probably be back soon
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18:28<umesh>hiii
18:28<umesh>is there anybody to help me
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18:29<annadane>!ask
18:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:29<annadane>omfg.
18:29<annadane>literally twenty seconds
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18:29<annadane>i give up. officially.
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18:29<annadane>where do these people go? does their issue just go permanently unsolved?
18:30<somiaj>does your irc client report time stamps in seconds?
18:30<annadane>it does yeah
18:31<somiaj>I usually see it as for the best, sometimes I almost find myself waiting around to respond, just to see if the person has enough paitence to want to actually figure it out
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18:56<ais-admin>well at least he didnt say things about your mother
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19:49<ais-admin>omg - my apt just exploded. Every apt command wants to reinstall every package on my system. Please see http://paste.debian.net/1029986
19:52<annadane>i suspect an errant pip install as root somewhere
19:52<ais-admin>whats a pip?
19:54<annadane>you can use it to install apps in a virtualenv
19:54<annadane>truthfully though i don't know what your issue is
19:54<annadane>"apps"... ugh. i mean programs, whatever
19:55<ais-admin>the last successful apt command I issued was apt install python-twisted - that seemingly went ok. That used pip and screwed my system I bet.
19:55<annadane>on stable? not really likely
19:57<ais-admin>fudgemuffins!
19:58<themill>pip as root?
19:58<ais-admin>I've never used pip and until now had never heard of it
19:59<themill>ais-admin: I don't see anything unexpected in that output.
19:59<themill>!apt recomments
19:59<themill>!apt recommends
19:59<themill>dammit
19:59<themill>!apt recommends
19:59<dpkg>Packages required in all but unusual cases (that is, "breakable" dependencies) are called "recommended" packages. By not installing these packages, you miss the standard functionality they provide. To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. See <why recommends>.
19:59<annadane>and yeah, i don't, either
19:59<themill>thank you
20:00<ais-admin>all the listed packages are installed
20:00<themill>no they're not
20:00<ais-admin>apt now thinks they are not
20:00<themill>«Installed: (none)» is the clue
20:00<ais-admin>thats unexpected
20:00<themill>how were they installed
20:01<ais-admin>by me. This is the phone system I have been building for weeks. its my asterisk box.
20:02<themill>"by me" isn't "how". using apt?
20:02<ais-admin>yes using apt
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20:03<themill>Have a look in /var/log/apt/history.log for the asterisk package see what apt thinks
20:03<themill>(pastebin the entire stanzas)
20:04<ais-admin>http://paste.debian.net/1029987
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20:05<themill>try the next oldest log then
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20:08<ais-admin>yesterday: http://paste.debian.net/1029988
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20:14<ais-admin>I'm back to february in the logs - dont see where apt removed or autoremoved anything
20:15<annadane>are we sure there's a problem here or does the package you're trying to install just have a lot of depends/recommends?
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20:18<ais-admin>for example: asterisk - apt is saying installed: none. I'm currently connected to it. asterisk was installed using apt and is currently running. apt has somehow forgotten that its installed
20:18<annadane>O_O
20:19<themill>Currently running doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't uninstalled (although most daemons would get stopped)
20:19<themill>I assume you've double checked that you're actually looking at the right machine, right image etc? We've all done that...
20:19<ais-admin>as I said I checked the logs back to february - the machine has been rebooted several times since february
20:19<themill>ok
20:19<ais-admin>yes this is a dedicated box - not a vm
20:20<themill>Any filesystem errors in dmesg?
20:21<ais-admin>none
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20:22<themill>No idea then. Apt and dpkg are really careful about such things and when packages go missing, it's normally because of hardware or filesystem problems. (Assuming you've not gone editing the status file or something odd like that)
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20:23<ais-admin>its not just that one package though -its all 126 packages listed in the first paste - they were all installed by apt. no no strange editing.
20:23<ach>maybe it just try's to upgrade the old one's?
20:23<themill>Check in /var/backups/dpkg.status.* to see
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20:23<annadane>i wonder if you can try aptitude clone, put your setup on a VM, try installing the package on the VM and see what it does
20:23<annadane>yeah maybe it's trying to upgrade also
20:23<ach>as i see you have an outstanding upgrade
20:23<annadane>90+ held back packages
20:24<themill>«Installed: (none)» is not consistent with an upgrade
20:24<ais-admin>right
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20:25<ais-admin>the 126 installed packages that apt thinks are no longer installed get automatically added to the install list no matter what apt command I use - I can do apt install tree and it list all 126 packages as "these will be installed too" packages
20:26<ach>maybe the files from where the apt database is created are deleted in /var somewhere
20:26<b17>suggested pkgs includes alsa-base not in stretch, and the nvidia stuff is non-free, so at some point you installed something not stretch?
20:27<ais-admin>just from non-free
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20:27<ach>apt-get clean?
20:27<ais-admin>sounds scary
20:27<ais-admin>let me look up what that does!
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20:28<ais-admin>oic you were asking if I had done an apt-get clean - nope havent
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20:31<themill>ais-admin: what does «dpkg --verify» say?
20:31<b17>libfglrx-amdxvba1 is a jessie pkg suggested too, kind of odd
20:32<ais-admin>this machine was upgraded from jessie - a leftover?
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20:34<ach>apt-get remove python twisted or even maybe it's some update tool or set by synapthic to store an install for later
20:35<ais-admin>still verifying - sec
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20:36<ais-admin>listing hundreds of lines all starting with ??5??????
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20:39<ais-admin>thousands of lines - strange that root would be denied permission to verify, is it not?
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20:40<ais-admin>im tempted to remove python-twisted but I dont think it will undo the damage. Oh well - looks like I wanted to rebuild this system from scratch tomorrow
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20:42<ais-admin>at least it wasnt in production yet.
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21:18<ais-admin>omg I am a complete idiot and a bone headed moron as well. I forgot that when I originally set up this system the package versions in the repos were older than what I wanted to install so most everything, asterisk and libraries and audio and all that stuff was compiled from source. Doh! so sorry to waste your time. apt is reporting properly. my brain is not.
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21:56<themill>ais-admin: hah!
21:58<ais-admin>yes - my memory isnt what it used to be
21:59<ais-admin>what I remember of it anyway
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22:03<themill>I normally keep a simple text document with a log of installs (package or source) and why. Helps a lot in the log run.
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22:05<ais-admin>smart idea. thx
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