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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-06-21

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---Logopened Thu Jun 21 00:30:39 2018
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00:51<twentyfour>could anyone help me install nouveau?
00:51<twentyfour>I've added the packages from repository, but when I set it in an xorg file the screen just flickers, x won't start
00:52<twentyfour>do I need to remove / stop the nvidia drivers before it'll work?
00:52<jm_>yes
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00:58<twentyfour>jm_: I've started the nouveau kernel manually using modprobe, but it seems very slow, in the past I had graphical acceleration running acceptably on a 9800, now on a 960 it's very laggy.
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00:58<twentyfour>is the 960 not supported?
00:58<jm_>twentyfour: in stretch?
00:58<twentyfour>sid
01:00<jm_>I need to find out which NV version that is first
01:00<jm_>but man page does not list it
01:01<twentyfour>I think it'd be g9x, according to the convention listed in xorg.log
01:01<twentyfour>but it only lists up to g8x
01:01<twentyfour>hence why I'm not sure it's supported using the package from apt
01:01<jm_>it's NV126 apparently
01:02<jm_>if you look at https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ it shows WIP for NV110 at the top
01:02<somiaj>the 960 is a newer card, which nouveau isn't as good with.
01:03<somiaj>twentyfour: also this is a stable support channel, #debian-next for sid support
01:03<twentyfour>sorry yes, it's just very slow in there
01:03<jm_>so it seems you're better off using nvidia driver for now
01:03<somiaj>oh you are cross posting, please don't post in multiple channels either.
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01:10<twentyfour>jm_: I can't start the nvidia driver with the newest kernel, but yes, taht is a sid problem, so I'll wait for a response in there
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01:11<jm_>twentyfour: have you checked BTS?
01:11<twentyfour>bts?
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01:11<jm_>using sid and you don't know what BTS is?
01:11<jm_>!bts
01:11<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
01:12<jm_>i.e. maybe https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=901919 ?
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01:24<twentyfour>jm_: that's definitely the bug, I guess I just hang out and waiot on a fix
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01:26<jm_>twentyfour: might also make sense to search for that problem on linux in general, not just debian ;)
01:26<twentyfour>eh, just gonna downgrade and give it a month before I try to upghrade again
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02:13<grummund>Is is likely to create any problem issues doing: chgrp adm /var/log; chmod g+s /var/log; ?
02:14<Sveta>why would you like to do that/
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02:18<grummund>hmm, thinking about it... probably don't need to.
02:18<somiaj>oh my system the logs that aren't already in group adm have full read access to everyone
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02:20*grummund is putting this in cron.d:
02:20<grummund>mkdir -p /var/log/smartctl && smartctl -x /dev/sda | gzip > /var/log/smartctl/smartctl.sda.$(date +\%Y\%m\%d).log.gz
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02:23<jm_>grummund: why? smartd already logs the aatributes if you enable it
02:24<grummund>does it? it will email failures, but this is an attemp to track history of a drive.
02:25<jm_>yeah history, ls -l /var/lib/smartmontools
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02:25<grummund>wow
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02:32*grummund can't see that documented anywhere, maybe it is debian specific.
02:33<jm_>it's not, see comments in /etc/smartd.conf
02:33<jm_># HERE IS A LIST OF DIRECTIVES FOR THIS CONFIGURATION FILE.
02:33<jm_># PLEASE SEE THE smartd.conf MAN PAGE FOR DETAILS
02:33<jm_>here's mine DEVICESCAN -a -S on -s (S/../../4/00|L/../../7/00) -t -H -m root@localhost -M once
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02:39<grummund>i was looking for something mentioning the existence or format of attrlog.*.csv files
02:39<jm_>man smartd, see -A
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02:39<grummund>ah. thank you :)
02:40<jm_>would be useful if it's mentined in FILES section though
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02:46<grummund>useful also to carry these over on a re-install
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02:50<TheMas3212>Hi, is anyone able to give me some advice/help on how to resovle a dependency error in the debian installer?
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02:51<grove>TheMas3212: If you give some details, perhaps someone can
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02:53<TheMas3212>well when i try to use "Select and install software" to install LXDE,print,ssh & standard system utils it fails
02:53<TheMas3212>and i get a dependency error in the syslog
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02:54<TheMas3212>it fine if i put a pastebin link with the syslog error?
02:54<jm_>sure
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02:54<TheMas3212>https://pastebin.com/p8prCH2j
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02:57<jm_>so stretch installer?
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02:57<TheMas3212>yes latest netinstall
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03:00<jm_>i'll try it in qemu to see if I get the same error
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03:02<TheMas3212>idk if it could be relavent but it is running in uefi mode
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03:03<jm_>in general that should not cause this problem
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03:05<jm_>i'm at installing base system stage, a little more time till we get to tasksel part
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03:12<rjsalts>oh, brainfart. I thought you meant dselect and was wondering what year this was
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03:20<jm_>bloody hell, used wrong ISO, will retry in vbox where it's much faster
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03:22<jm_>no error for me, it fetched 1175 packages
03:23<TheMas3212>huh, i guess il try rebooting and see if i get the error again
03:23<jm_>I used amd64 release
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03:24<TheMas3212>exact one im using is "debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso"
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03:24<jm_>yeah same here, just sligtly older version
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03:25<jm_>it pulled perl-base from security for me, what does «apt-cache policy perl-base» show if you chroot into /target?
03:25<grummund>Is there a way to get only Device Model and Serial Number of a drive without grep'ing the output of smartctl?
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03:33<alephnull>What's up with wiki.debian.org? I'm getting a 403 for all pages.
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03:35<TheMas3212>ok just finished restarting and getting back to where i was, got the same error
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03:35<twb>does jessie understand new-style /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.sources format?
03:36<jm_>TheMas3212: it pulled perl-base from security for me, what does «apt-cache policy perl-base» show if you chroot into /target?
03:36<TheMas3212>https://pastebin.com/PKfwgqB7
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03:37<twb>N: Ignoring file 'debain.sources' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
03:37<twb>That answers that
03:38<twb>also derped the path, derp
03:39<jm_>twb: it was .list in jessie according to the man page
03:39<twb>Shiny!
03:39<twb>I remember that now
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03:39<twb>E: Type 'Types:' is not known on line 3 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
03:40<twb>I was doing this: http://ix.io/1eaN
03:41<jm_>TheMas3212: same as for me, and I presume it's the same for perl-modules-5.24
03:42<TheMas3212>perl-modules-5.24 is showwing as not installed
03:42<itd>Why does the stretch installer mention jessie?
03:42<twb>itd: in expert mode?
03:43<jm_>but what does it show for available versions/priority?
03:43<TheMas3212>https://pastebin.com/diaTvSVA
03:43<jm_>so again, the same as here - what happens if you install it?
03:44<TheMas3212>via chroot?
03:44<jm_>yeah
03:44<jm_>(might need you to mount stuff like /sys etc if it's not mounted already in there)
03:45<TheMas3212>installed fine
03:45<jm_>and if you install task-desktop now?
03:45<itd>twb: https://pastebin.com/PKfwgqB7 line 13.
03:45<TheMas3212>failed again
03:46<jm_>can't help with "failed again" error myself
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03:47<TheMas3212>same error message in syslog with "perl-base : Breaks: perl-modules (< 5.24.1~)" and "perl-modules-5.24 : Conflicts: perl-modules (< 5.22.0~)"
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03:48<jm_>does the situation improve if you remove jessie stuff from sources.list?
03:49<jm_>let me grab 9.4.0 installer to see what it shows here with regards to that
03:50<twb>itd: sorry, I don't understand. Why are you showing me that?
03:50<TheMas3212>hey that worked
03:50<jm_>hah
03:50<TheMas3212>though why that line is there in the first place i have no idea
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03:52<itd>twb: TheMas3212 shared that output. I was just wondering why a cd labeled stretch provides packages for jessie. :) (Sorry for the confusion.)
03:52<twb>ah
03:53<jm_>I only see the entry for stretch with 9.4.0 installer
03:54<TheMas3212>huh i wonder why the netinstall image has it then
03:54<jm_>maybe talk to #debian-boot
03:55<jm_>and yeah, I used 9.4 netinst image https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso
03:59<TheMas3212>i think i found why the sources.list has a mention to jessie in it, no idea why it breaks the installer though
03:59<TheMas3212>when i made the install usb it didnt format it so it still had the files from when it was a installer for jessie
03:59<jm_>doesn't surprise me it confuses apt
04:00<jm_>how do you write installer on USB?
04:00<TheMas3212>UniversalUSBInstaller on windows
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04:00<twb>is there even a point adding a netinst disc to apt-cdrom?
04:00<jm_>don't use tools like that
04:00<twb>there shouldn't be much on it beyond what's installed by default
04:01<jm_>twb: it fetches base packages from there
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04:01<TheMas3212>normally i wouldnt but im in the middle of reinstalling my linux machine
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04:02<jm_>right, http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ if you need to do it in windows
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06:34<drzacek>Hello there
06:35<drzacek>is calling "sudo shutdown now" from xterm in openbox (or any gui) is a good way to turn pc off?
06:35<drzacek>Also, how can I speed this up? I noticed that sometimes it takes few good seconds (up to 30s?), sometimes it goes down in 3s
06:36<drzacek>I would Like to deactivate all possible timeouts to make it go off really quick
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06:40<jm_>doesn't it switch to tty and shows you shutdown progress there? i.e. I get to see which task is stuck
06:41<drzacek>jm_, I usually saw that too, "waiting for x to end" or something like that, with sec counter/max time (usually 1:30?)
06:41<jm_>drzacek: yeah that's the one
06:41<drzacek>but in this case I get blank screen with blinking cursor in upper left corner
06:41<jm_>but it still shutdowns after that?
06:41<drzacek>and after a while there comes some output and it shuts down (was to quick to read what it says)
06:42<drzacek>jm_, yeah, it does, but could take 2s or 1min
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06:43<jm_>drzacek: hmm I never saw that one, maybe inspect stuff first with ps, journalctl, dmesg when it happens
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07:35<diazard>Hey guys, I am thinking about using Debian on my workstation, since I use it for my servers already. I'd love to use stable version but I really want newest Python3 and KDE Plasma release. Would unstable be a huge pain in the a**? Currently using Fedora.
07:37<petn-randall>diazard: I'd rather go with stable + backports. Testing or sid don't get the same thorough testing as stable, and also don't always get timely security fixes.
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07:38<diazard>I cannot backport Python or whole DE though. Or can I?
07:39<petn-randall>,v python3
07:39<judd>Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.6.5-3; sid: 3.6.5-3; experimental: 3.6.5-5
07:39<petn-randall>diazard: Indeed, there's no newer python3 in stable-backports.
07:39<petn-randall>diazard: New or well-tested, pick one. :)
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07:42<diazard>Well KDE stability gets better every release, that's why i would prefer to use the newest one. Same with Python. I would not mind occasional minor breakage, but would not be happy with completely broken system :(
07:43<petn-randall>diazard: Complete breakage does happen from time to time for some users. I recall nvidia drivers not working with X11 a while back, leaving people with blank screens.
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07:51<diazard>hm, I guess I'm just gonna try it and will see. Thanks.
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11:38<crazybirdie1>hi
11:39<crazybirdie1>anyone online?
11:39<crazybirdie1>msg
11:39<somiaj>nope, no one in this room with hundereds of people is online, we are all bots
11:39<crazybirdie1>good
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11:41<crazybirdie1>welcvome
11:41<crazybirdie1>welcome
11:41<somiaj>!chat
11:41<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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12:29<grummund>running svnserve via systemd, and /run/svn/svnserve.pid as the pid file, it works except reboot wipes out /run/* :-(
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12:30<grummund>exim4 also uses a subdir under /run but i am unsure it is run via systemd
12:31<somiaj>yea /run is tmpfs, but stuff there should only be stuff that is needed by the running process, not permant stuff
12:31<somiaj>and a .pid file won't be needed at boot, as a new pid will be assigned when the service is run at boot
12:31<somiaj>so I'm not quite sure what you think the issue is
12:31<grummund>sure, but what's the right way to have the subdir recreated.
12:32<grummund>exim4 might be an example, but i'm unsure it works via systemd.
12:32<somiaj>oh I see, so systemd isn't ceating that subdir for the .pid file to live when the service is brought up.
12:32<somiaj>That i'm not sure, I thought systemd would just handel that.
12:33<grummund>so would i, in fact that's the question ;)
12:33<somiaj>I see some sercvice files using ExecStartPre=-/usr/bin/mkdir /run/svn
12:33<grummund>/etc/init.d/exim4 has this:
12:34<grummund>[ -e /run/exim4 ] || install -d -oDebian-exim -gDebian-exim -m750 /run/exim4
12:34<somiaj>ExecStartPre=/usr/bin/chown -R foo.foo
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12:34<somiaj>with a sytemd unit file use ExecStartPre commands to run things before the start.
12:34<grummund>may i ask, such as?
12:35<somiaj>just add ExecStartPre=-/usr/bin/mkdir /run/svn
12:35<somiaj>this is what I keep seeing, not exactly sure what the - is doing
12:35<grummund>where do you see that?
12:36<somiaj>various google hits
12:36<somiaj>https://serverfault.com/questions/779634/create-a-directory-under-var-run-at-boot
12:36<somiaj>second answer
12:36<somiaj>exim is just still doing this with the init.d file which systemd runs for it
12:37<somiaj>with a service file you can run various commands at different times, hence ExecStartPre (run before the start)
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12:40<grummund>having explicit mkdir in there smells like a hack
12:40<somiaj>https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html -- check the description of ExecStartPre
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12:41<somiaj>the - just means if the command fails, the service dosen't report it as a fail, as in if the dir exists and the command has a non-zero exit code, systemd just ignores it
12:41*grummund bets on RuntimeDirectory= on it's own to do it
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12:42<somiaj>yea that oculd do it too, I think any are fine
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13:00<grummund>it works :) and as a bonus the dir is created with ownership according to User= and Group=, and PIDFile= no longer needs an explicit path.
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13:00<grummund>so there, i answered my own question :p
13:00<somiaj>ahh nice
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17:28<rob_debian>Hi all, Please, I would like to know if anyone knows the official channel of the Kodi app so that you can get information on the source code of this software in github for compialtion, and I know it is a request for unofficial information regarding Debian support.
17:28<rob_debian>If I am being very inconvenient regarding the rules of the official Debian Servers channel, I sincerely ask for forgiveness.
17:28<rob_debian>But, I am making this request here because the 'kodi-pvr-iptvsimple' package that is present in the stable Debian repository simply did not work, and I found it too unstable to be part of the stable Debian repository.
17:28<rob_debian>In the application's own layout, or the author of the software, or the developers of the Debian Project leave a written notice that the application is still unstable yet
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17:32<itd>!kodi
17:32<dpkg>XBMC (formerly Xbox Media Center) is an open source media player application. XBMCbuntu and XBMC Live are Linux distributions based on <Ubuntu> containing XBMC, they are not supported in #debian. XBMC v13 ("Gotham") is available from <wheezy-backports>. XBMC will be renamed to Kodi for v14. http://kodi.tv/ #kodi on irc.freenode.net.
17:33<rob_debian>oh, thanks a lot for information, itd !:)
17:35<itd>rob_debian: Sure thing.
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17:36<annadane>ok so where can one get XBMC v13, so i can update that factoid
17:36<annadane>wheezy-backports is ancient
17:37<annadane>or the latest one or whatever, i don't even know how you'd fix that
17:37<annadane>maybe i should contact the factoid author
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17:42<itd>annadane: You should be able to edit that. IIRC, those commands should work: http://infobot.sourceforge.net/guide-0.43.x.html
17:43<annadane>itd, i know how to edit it, i just don't know where to get the information for the factoid
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17:44<itd>annadane: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/kodi - "new upstream version is available: 18.0~alpha1"
17:45<itd>(So, probably: s/13/17/ )
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17:47<annadane>!kodi
17:47<dpkg>XBMC (formerly Xbox Media Center) is an open source media player application. XBMCbuntu and XBMC Live are Linux distributions based on <Ubuntu> containing XBMC, they are not supported in #debian. XBMC v17 is available in Stretch. http://kodi.tv/ #kodi on irc.freenode.net.
17:47<itd>:)
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17:56<mnuhmnuh_>you lost the codename ("Gotham").
17:57<mnuhmnuh_>you lost the codename (eg. "Gotham").
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18:05<annadane>well i changed it because i assumed it wasn't that anymore and i'm too lazy to look it up
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18:05<annadane>does it -really- matter
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18:29<mnuhmnuh_>annadane: does it -really- matter if you have buster or testing in your sources.list? usually, no; sometimes, yes.
18:32<somiaj>still best to advise people to use buster over testing
18:33<somiaj>it does matter, even if the time it matters is a small window
18:33<mnuhmnuh_>yes, surprises, bad.
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19:09<osama>؟؟؟؟؟؟؟د
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19:10<mnuhmnuh_>!en
19:10<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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19:11<osama>hi Ach
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19:35<ryouma>i try to unmount a partition and it says umount: /media/samsung-root: target is busy. fuser /media/samsung-root says nothing. lsof | grep samsung says nothing. ps -efH | cat does not show anything likely. why is it busy?
19:38<mnuhmnuh>ryouma: what type of filesystem is on the partition? if journaled (ext>3) it ought to be rebuilt next time mounted (verify).
19:38<ryouma>mnuhmnuh: it's ext4, and this problem occurs with everything i mount and unmount
19:39<mnuhmnuh>random cellphone apps touching, whether needing to or not.
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19:40<ryouma>?
19:40<ryouma>basically i do umount $mp; cryptsetup
19:41<ryouma>basically i do umount $mp; cryptsetup close $name
19:42<mnuhmnuh>ryouma: btw, "ps -efH | cat" == what?!? don't do that. mount, df -h, pydf, ...
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19:43<mnuhmnuh>oh, cryptomount - i use tails for that.
19:44<ryouma>ok mount is useful. dunno what pydf is. with mount i get "/dev/mapper/toshiba-root on /media/toshiba-root type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)" and "sysfs on /media/toshiba-root/sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)" and "fusectl on /media/toshiba-root/sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw,relatime)"
19:45<mnuhmnuh>not ugly from my pov.
19:46<mnuhmnuh>pydf == pretty df
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20:03<ryouma>i found the problem. something -- i do not know what at all, maybe systemd? -- mounted that fusectl underneath sys underneath the dir i am trying to mount. so sys never got unmounted. i used mount --bind to create dev sys proc in the chroot (i /think/ that is correct, right?). i then just ran grub and initramfs commands. no idea why that fusectl mount was created.
20:04<ryouma>so what i do now to umount after exiting the chroot is umount --recursive. i hope that doesn't screw anything up.
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