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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-07-03

---Logopened Tue Jul 03 00:00:19 2018
00:00<annadane>a valiant effort
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00:04<mnuhmnuh>my irssi ignores part, joins, quits, ... so i never know if they're still existant.
00:05<mnuhmnuh>someone else watching may learn from it.
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00:07<twb>mnuhmnuh: that should be configurable, ask #irssi I guess
00:07<twb>My IRC client shows quits & joins of people who were talking "recently"
00:09<mnuhmnuh>twb: i told it to ignore them. of people who were talking "recently" would be nice.
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00:11<sney>hexchat has scripts for that so irssi probably does too.
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00:20<twb>gcr-prompter[1695]: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:33:35: The style property GtkWidget:link-color is deprecated and shouldn't be used anymore.
00:20<twb>Oops, wrong channel
00:21<mnuhmnuh>i often wonder if devs ever run rheir stuff from a command line just to see what stderr is saying.
00:22<mnuhmnuh>firefox-esr is fairly chatty.
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00:28<twb>mnuhmnuh: GUI people don't because they're horrible evil people
00:29<mnuhmnuh>nah, just a little ignorant.
00:32<mnuhmnuh>damned near everything that talks to the web, or is gnomish, is just as chatty.
00:36<twb>vlc is actually the worst IME
00:37<twb>because every damaged frame results in log spam
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00:46<somiaj>anything based on gtk seems to be such, ahve always wanted a way to just supress all gtk warnings.
00:46<somiaj>they just fill .xsession-errors or my consle filled with stuff that doesn't mean much
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00:46<somiaj>but that is the nature of linux, it is very verbose, even if the warnings don't affect functinality
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00:51<mnuhmnuh>i don't mind verbose, if those in control fix things when they're screaming at us.
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03:04<twb>Qt/KDE spews warnings to .xsession-errors, too
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03:05<twb>But yeah GTK2/3 has a lot of "assertion failed" spam
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03:19<FVEY>I'm having trouble getting wifi configured on a minimal install of Stretch
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03:20<twb>FVEY: you mean no GUI?
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03:20<somiaj>use wpasupplicant
03:21<FVEY>I mean an install with only the standard system utilities selected in tasksel
03:21<somiaj>wpasupplicant is there, use that
03:21<twb>http://paste.debian.net/1031839/ http://paste.debian.net/1031840/
03:22<twb>Those are my old notes (for wheezy) and new notes (for buster) about different ways to use wpa_supplicant, without NetworkManager and without a GUI
03:22<FVEY>I've configured the interface and configured wpa_supplicant via /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf however the interface still reports as being not connected
03:22<FVEY>thanks twb I'll have a geeze
03:22<twb>I'm 99% sure the "old way" still works just fine
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03:25<FVEY>Hey twb what's that bit about the systemd-networkd in the second link? Shouldn't that be auto-configured?
03:26<twb>FVEY: systemd-networkd does nothing by default
03:26<twb>FVEY: you must create a .network to make it do anything
03:27<twb>Also you can probably ignore my DNSSEC=no and UseDomains=yes because those are just my network being reactionary
03:28<FVEY>is it a convenience thing?
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03:28<FVEY>It's not required right?
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03:33<twb>Well before I added those, "ssh login" didn't work at all, and "w3m wikipedia.org" would often fail to resolve wikipedia.org to an IP address
03:33<FVEY>Where my set up seems to be failing is getting an address from my routers
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03:34<FVEY>Well that's probably not what is wrong but everything seems to be going right until I attempt that
03:34<FVEY>I can find the interface
03:34<FVEY>set it yp
03:34<FVEY>*up
03:34<FVEY>bring it up
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03:34<FVEY>but it never gets a response when asking for a address from either router
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03:37<somiaj>debian doens't include non-free firmware in main, so you may be missing the non-free firmware for your wifi card
03:38<FVEY>My wireless card has firmware
03:38<FVEY>unfortunately my wired connection is non-free
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03:38<FVEY>as I would just use that but I can't connect to the internet to download the firmware
03:39<twb>FVEY: you have access to the computer right now?
03:39<twb>FVEY: "ip l" - is a wl iface listed?
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03:40<twb>if your wired iface is working, pastebin some diagnostics --- output of "ip a", "ip l", "ip r", "ps faux", "networkctl", "systemd-resolved --status"
03:41<FVEY>ip l lists wlp2s0 as <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP>
03:41<twb>OK
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03:41<twb>"NO-CARRIER" there means wpa_supplicant is failing to connect to the AP
03:41<twb>So now you must look at the wpa_supplicant logs / stderr
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03:43<FVEY>Sorry, this is quite ignorant but where does wpa log to by default?
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03:43<FVEY>sorry nevermind you can log with the -f flag
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03:46<twb>FVEY: which of my guides are you following? ;-)
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03:47<FVEY>mix of the first one and the debian wiki
03:48<FVEY>I appended the interface configuration file to log to a file in my ~/ when starting wpa_supplicant
03:50<twb>ok
03:50<FVEY>I rebooted cause it was easier (1 command, makes sure I don't forget anything) than bringing the interface down and up again
03:53<FVEY>so the file does not appear to exist
03:53<twb>is wpa_supplicant running at all?
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03:54<FVEY>so normally it would be but after running ifup the dhclient once again failed but was followed by "wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start"
03:55<FVEY>"ru-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with return code 1"
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03:57<twb>pastebin your interfaces(5) file
03:58<twb>also try "journalctl -b0 -p4 -e -o short-iso" to look for recent errors
03:58<twb>you can also just do "journalctl -fn0 -o short-iso" in a spare window and watch for errors appearing in real time
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03:59<FVEY>oh hang on
04:02*twb hangs on REALLY HARD
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04:10<FVEY>https://pastebin.com/UtUuQ11q
04:11<FVEY>https://pastebin.com/34xJ9kQk
04:11<FVEY>there is my interface and wpa_supplicant
04:12<FVEY>https://pastebin.com/VyZq1q29
04:12<FVEY>here is the journalctl you asked me torun
04:13<twb>oh sorry I nodded off
04:13<FVEY>lol sorry I took a while
04:13<FVEY>had to find a usb
04:13<twb>FVEY: you don't have "allow-auto wlp2s0"
04:13<twb>So it probably won't auto-start on boot
04:13<FVEY>yeah I'm aware
04:14<FVEY>however I did earlier
04:14<twb>you're also not using wpa-roam
04:14<FVEY>it holds the boot up for 3-5 mins while it tries, and fails, to get the device configured
04:14<FVEY>yeah I didn't want to mess around with wpa-roam until I have it working
04:15<twb>Well you can do it entirely by hand
04:15<twb>ip link set wlp2s0 up
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04:15<twb>wpa_supplicant ... &
04:15<twb>dhclient -i wlp2s0 &
04:15<twb>That should Just Work
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04:16<twb>As your interfaces(5) is currently written, I don't think it'll run things in the correct sequence --- wpa-roam is the easiest way to ensure that
04:16<FVEY> wpa_supplicant ... &?
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04:16<twb>FVEY: by & I just mean run it in another window, because it won't exit
04:16<twb>literally & would background it
04:17<FVEY>I'll have to run it in a seperate tty
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04:17<twb>and you just wait until wpa_supplicant prints that it has got a connection, before running the dhclient
04:17<twb>Jul 03 10:51:38 goll wpa_supplicant[500]: wlp1s0: CTRL-EVENT-CONNECTED - Connection to 54:e6:fc:ae:64:8a completed [id=1 id_str=]
04:17<twb>^ like that
04:18<twb>It'll periodically report "rekeying", that is harmless and expected
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04:23<FVEY>so the weirdest thing happened
04:24<FVEY>running wpa_supplicant manually failed
04:24<FVEY>but was spitting out errors
04:24<FVEY>so i opened top and killed it
04:24<FVEY>then plugged in a usb and ran it again piping the output to a txt file
04:24<FVEY>suddenly it works fine
04:24<FVEY>can ping google
04:26<twb>systemd's wpa_supplicant might be fighting with your manual one?
04:26<twb>just a guess
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04:30<FVEY>I rebooted and can't seem to recreate the circumstances in which it worked
04:32<twb>make sure no other things are trying to manage the iface while you're doing it by hand
04:32<FVEY>so something about piping it to a txt file is what makes it work
04:32<FVEY>I have no idea why
04:33<FVEY>not piping it to a txt on the usb
04:33<FVEY>no worky
04:33<FVEY>if I do however...
04:33<FVEY>what in the world
04:33<twb>systemctl --state=running | grep wpa
04:35<FVEY>that returns... absolutely nothing for some reason
04:35<twb>good
04:35<twb>that means systemd is not running another wpa
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04:41<FVEY>ok so figured it out somewhat
04:42<FVEY>my interfaces file was spawning failing wpa_supplicant on booot
04:42<FVEY>once I commented that line out, any root spawned wpa works
04:43<FVEY>you mentioned before that you thought something looked out of place in my interface or wpa_supplicant.conf?
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04:50<twb>well yeah
04:50<twb>compare with my example in my paste
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04:50<twb>you appear to be trying to run wpa_supplicant directly, as a sort of implicit post-up command or something, except it would have to be pre-up
04:51<twb>and since it doesn't exit either, it still wouldn't make sense
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05:06<FVEY>ah I totally missed that it needed to be pre-up
05:06<FVEY>I've just read the interface manpage
05:06<FVEY>somehow skippedover the pre-up and post-up before
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05:07<FVEY>thank you for your help twb
05:07<FVEY>could have been avoided if I could read haha
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05:08<twb>interfaces(5) takes a little practice
05:08<twb>the "new way" (my second post) throws it away completely
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05:09<FVEY>I plan to move to a systemdless distro eventually so I will probably stick with the "old" way
05:09<twb>fair enough
05:10<twb>interfaces(5) is entirely debian-specific though
05:10<FVEY>I'd assume Devuan uses it, no?
05:10<twb>downstream of debian would use it, yes
05:11<twb>(in general)
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05:12<petn-randall>FVEY: FYI, you can still run Debian stretch with sysvinit, it's supported.
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05:14<FVEY>Besides most distros have something similar to interfaces
05:15<FVEY>netctl on arch is not dissimilar
05:15<twb>yeah it's just not guaranteed that random packages will actually Just Work in sysvinit mode
05:15<FVEY>fair
05:15<twb>equivalent to running minit on squeeze or systemd on jessie :-P
05:16<FVEY>do you think I should move my wpa_supplicant.conf into /etc/wpa_supplicant/ or just leave it floating around in /etc/?
05:16<petn-randall>network-manager is actually quite good, and even has some perks for servers. And that's packaged in pretty much every distro.
05:18<twb>FVEY: as long as it's not world-readable, it doesn't matter
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05:20<FVEY>oh thanks for reminding me to change the permissions
05:21<FVEY>it was made as root so it's probably good but just in case...
05:21<twb>my notes also remind you
05:21<twb>debian's root account has a world-readable umask by default
05:21<FVEY>oh really?
05:21<twb>AFAIK
05:22<FVEY>that seems questionable infosec-wise
05:22<twb>if you care about that why do you even have a root account :P
05:22<FVEY>well I was using sudo su
05:23<twb>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBAC
05:23<FVEY>I didn't create a root account with a pwd
05:23<twb>There wouldn't even be a concept of "root"
05:23<twb>There would be more like "fvey account, but with permission to configure wifi"
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05:24<FVEY>Well yeah but the system sees it as "root" and anything touched by that account is edited or spawned by "root"
05:25<twb>Yeah and I'm saying that if you *really* cared about security, there wouldn't even be such a concept
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05:25<twb>UID 0 would not have special privileges
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05:25<FVEY>Oh right.
05:25<twb>anyway I was about 80% just being a smartarse, so never mind
05:26<twb>also you can say "sudo -i" since about 15 years ago
05:26<twb>you don't need to use sudo *and* su
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05:27<twb>2004-01-18 Todd C. Miller <Todd.Miller@courtesan.com> … * sudo.c, sudo.h: o Add -i that acts similar to "su -", based on patches from David J. MacKenzie
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06:45<drzacek>Hi
06:45<arto>drzacek: hi, just ask if it is about debian
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06:46<drzacek>Not sure if this is the right place, but I'm having problems with enigmail. I'm trying to use thunderbird with enigmail and gpg keys I generated earlier with GPG
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06:47<annadane>darn. i was all equipped to answer kali technical support, now my day is ruined
06:47<drzacek>I'm trying to send a signed message to myself (or encrypted using my own pub key), but it fails
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06:47<drzacek>It doesn't really tell much, just that sending failed, not sure how it chooses keys from keyring, since it doesn't ask anything
06:48<arto>drzacek: you sign by private key, read with public key
06:48<drzacek>arto, yes
06:49<drzacek>but I have multiple key PAIRS on my system
06:49<arto>drzacek: are you sure you don't mix them?
06:50<drzacek>I'm sure I don't mix anything since I don't even have a chance to say which should he use
06:50<drzacek>In enigmail key managment I can see all the keys listed, but how it decides which one to take is not clear
06:50<arto>drzacek: do you really need those all?
06:51<drzacek>no, those are there because I've been playing with gpg, trying to understand how things work
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06:52<arto>drzacek: I'd advice to narrowing to only one pair, easier to troubleshoot. Now it quite hard to say what is going on.
06:53<drzacek>gimme a sec
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07:50<drzacek>okay, I think I found the problem. Somehow it set the key for that identity to some weird hash (could it be I set it myself? Impossible!). Found the option to set it again, chose the right key ID and it worked
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07:50<drzacek>was expecting all pgp-related setting would be in Enigmail menu, but it was in account settings (right mouse click on the account name).
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07:53<arto>drzacek: good you found the solution yourself. It's fine you study, but sometimes you need to take one step back.
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07:54<arsh>is there any one
07:54<arto>arsh, just ask if it is about debian
07:55<arsh>can any one delete youtube videos
07:55<arsh>for me
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07:56<annadane>this isn't the channel for that
07:56<arto>arsh: so you have downloaded youtube videos, and now you want to delete them?
07:57<drzacek>is everything alright?
07:57<arsh>i want to delete some another guys youtube videos
07:57<annadane>yeah, this is for debian support, not deleting youtube videos, and not for kali or parrot support either
07:57<arto>drzacek: If you are happy, I can't add to that
07:58<drzacek>tf is parrot
07:58<annadane>pentesting distribution based on debian
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07:58<drzacek>oh
07:59<@abrotman>arto: do you need help?
07:59<@abrotman>sorry, arsh
07:59<arto>abrotman: I do not, thank you
07:59<@abrotman>arto: sorry, mistab
07:59<drzacek>OMG I only now realised there's two of you. Thought arto was talking with himself
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08:01<arto>drzacek: well I do that quite seldom
08:01<FLD>im trying to shrink ext4 rootfs via a initramfs-tool hook during boot, but it's silently failing. is there a way to get debug output from the initrd? https://paste.debian.net/1031890/
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11:04<ineol>It seems that Debian disables sched_autogroup by default... why is that?
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12:27<LeLutin>hmm somebody's taken control of this chan somehow and kicked everybody out?
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12:27<petn-randall>LeLutin: Yes, that was a while ago. #debian wasn't the only channel affected, and not the only IRC network. freenode was quite busy, too.
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12:28<LeLutin>petn-randall: ah, I see it was in the context of that freenode announcement
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12:36<booqu> /topic
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13:01<Human_G33k>there is a kind of web form for request software packaging
13:01<Human_G33k>?
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13:02<retrospectacus>!rfp
13:02<dpkg>Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>.
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13:41<rkk>Hello! I am having trouble configuring the advanced mate-menu on Debian 9. I have installed mate-tweak and have noticed that the panel features (in the Panel tab) are greyed out, except for the keyboard LEDs.
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13:44<Synthea>I've created a dummy user with id below 1000 for routine ssh commands
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13:45<Synthea>I've locked it's password with passwd -l $user
13:46<Synthea>I've set a pubkey certificate in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys of the dumb user
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13:46<Synthea>Still when I try to connect it asks for password
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13:48<retrospectacus>check the logs on the server (auth.log?) and try adding -v to the client ssh command for more info
13:48<retrospectacus>you can add more vs for more info. ssh -vvvv u@h
13:49<retrospectacus>ownership and permissions on ~/.ssh/ and authorized_keys on the server, and ~/.ssh/ and the keys on the client, must all be absolutely correct
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13:50<retrospectacus>Synthea: also recommend using the `ssh-copy-id` command (on the client) to install a key in authorized_keys. Not manually editing
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13:57<retrospectacus>server user must also have a valid shell (one of those in /etc/shells) and his home directory must exist and be owned by him (or her)
13:57<retrospectacus>The logs should tell you all of this but these are the most common problems, I would say
14:00<Synthea>retrospectacus, it says bad ownership or modes for the auth key file
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14:01<Synthea>retrospectacus, the user created has as main group nogroup, is it here the problem?
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14:03<retrospectacus>you just said the problem is bad ownership or modes.
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14:03<retrospectacus>I don't know if that group would cause a problem. Guessing not.
14:03<jimpop>how do i reset an erronously disabled/hidden notification message in cinnamon?
14:04<retrospectacus>Synthea: ownership of .ssh/ and authorized_keys must be the user itself. Modes 700 and 600 respectively.
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14:12<hk711>Test
14:12<retrospectacus>test failed
14:13<hk711>???
14:13<itd_>hk711: Your test failed.
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14:13<retrospectacus>better luck next time
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14:30<hk711>Is it possible to have debian on samsung note4 without android running in the background?
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15:33<Synthea^>If I'm a router how can I perform operations when a host connects?
15:35<Synthea^>For example when 192.168.1.14 is connected and using my machine as dnsserver, router and such
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15:53<ach>Synthea^ i have no idea i also would be interestd to know seems i justz know in windows?
15:54<ach>i don't know how to cut a connection in linux
15:55<ach>!netstat
15:55<dpkg>ach netstat - Prints network connections, routing tables, interface statistics, masquerade connections, and multi-cast memberships. try netstat -pantu to also see which daemon serves which port
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15:59<ach>i know i have a router and arp spoof wouldn't even shown in netstat connection anymore but i don't know how to cut one
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16:00<husky>Had to swap a fully encrypted SSD in my server - now the new disk has a cloned /boot partition and a LUKS partition containing the LVM volumes for /, /var and /home. Modified /etc/crypttab to contain the UUID of the LUKS partition and made /boot partition bootable. mounted all partitions to a new directory and chrooted into that, ran 'grub-install /dev/sde' and 'update-initramfs -u -k all' - but it won't work.
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16:01<husky>grub-install complained about being installed to a cryptodisk, even though I put it into MBR, so I had to give GRUB_INSTALL_CRYPTODISK=y as a variable on the command line, too. Now grub required the LUKS password, but won't boot the menu
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16:05<husky>Any idea what I might have missed?
16:06<husky>GyrosGeier: maybe you have an idea?
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16:08<husky>OK, nevermind - did all the stuff in the chroot again and now it works somehow ...
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16:08<mnuhmnuh>guessing; i'd swap the order - you did update-initramfs after grub-install. maybe just grub-install again?
16:09<mnuhmnuh>oh, well then ...
16:11<husky>mnuhmnuh: to be honest I can't look it up anymore because I did that from Parted Magic live system
16:12<mnuhmnuh>may not matter either way.
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16:22<husky>GyrosGeier: Thanks a million again - the hints you gave proved invaluable and helped me succeed in moving the system from the old SSD to the new one. :-D
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16:31<Synthea^>How can I get a list of all the devices connected to my machine acting as access point?
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16:35<sarnold>arp -a will dump all the devices in your machine's arp cache, which would work fine for smaller networks
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18:07<mnuhmnuh>in https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession it says "2. If a specific session was selected in gdm3, run it." i don't use gdm. is this true of other dms?
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18:12<sarnold>I know I've seen the ability to select other "sessions" in other systems yeah
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18:17<mnuhmnuh>i wonder why the page says gdm3 instead of wm.
18:18<mnuhmnuh>er, dm?
18:18<Brigo>mnuhmnuh, gdm3 is not a wm is a dm
18:19<mnuhmnuh>and so are xdm, wdm, lightdm, ...
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18:48<mnuhmnuh>fixed.
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18:52<mnuhmnuh>"Otherwise, if the /usr/bin/x-session-manager command exists, run it. Otherwise, if the /usr/bin/x-window-manager command exists, run it." i have both. what happens? need a state diagram ...
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18:55<Scoria>What packages do I need for a bare minimum X install?
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18:55<Scoria>sorry, noob af question but the documentation is just confusing me
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18:58<ach>!Xserver
18:59<ach>!X
18:59<ach>!xfree
18:59<dpkg>rumour has it, xfree is #del#
19:00<fvey>#del#?
19:00<ach>apt-get install xfree86 i think
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19:01<sarnold>xfree86? oof :)
19:01<sarnold>be happy those days are past
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19:01<sarnold>start with xorg and a window manager of your choice. evilwm is tiny and does so little it's hard to hate it, if you're looking for suggestions..
19:02<Scoria>I was thinking of openbox to begin with
19:02<Scoria>because it has a large amount of documentation
19:02<b17>Scoria: I usually just install xterm first, it drags in a bare minimum, then the wm pkg.
19:03<mnuhmnuh>dwm and fluxbox are light and cool.
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19:04<Scoria>i believe openbox is slightly lighter than flux but at that point it's really splitting hairs
19:04<b17>you need the startx command that's in xinit
19:04<Scoria>but you get more choice around bars with open as well
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19:05<mnuhmnuh>you also need to know debian hates ~/.xsession
19:05<Scoria>how so?
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19:07<sarnold>why?
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19:08<retrospectacus>who?
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19:08<mnuhmnuh>i've already been slapped for kvetching about this here. offtopic.
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19:13<fvey>damn school wifi keeps disconnecting me
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19:15<mnuhmnuh>bottom line, why'm i doing "exec fluxbox" in ~/.fluxbox/startup instead of ~/.xsession? debian, gnome, ... not right.
19:16<fvey>sorry, what?
19:16<fvey>so you're unable to execute flux from your .xsession?
19:18<mnuhmnuh>no, works great. that exec ought to be in ~/.xsession, not ~/.fluxbox/startup
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19:18<b17>if you do it in .xsession and later install an x-session-manager then it won;t work, .xsession bypass the alternatives
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19:19<b17>debian Xsession is going to start x one way or the other even if there's only an xterm
19:19<fvey>by x-session-manager do you mean a display manager?
19:21<b17>no, there's three alternatives near the end of the debina Xsession, x-session-manager x-window-manager and x-terminal-emulator
19:21<sarnold>session managers tend to restart the applications when X closes and starts..
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19:21<b17>one of those gets run unless you have an .xsession i think
19:22<fvey>I'm confused haha
19:22<b17>anyway, you can do it any other way, install gdm and it does it all for you
19:22<fvey>gross
19:22<fvey>was just going to use xinit
19:22<fvey>not a fan of display managers
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19:23<mnuhmnuh>b17: "install gdm" ... please describe your lat&long
19:24<b17> wmsun -lat 35 -lon 85
19:25<mnuhmnuh>incoming ...
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19:26<mnuhmnuh>thre was supposed to be a glorious kaboom!
19:26<b17>i think my lon is -85 but that works correctly, I forget what hemisphere
19:26<mnuhmnuh>meh.
19:26<b17>or is that latitude?
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19:37<dpkg>i guess sco is Santa Cruz Operation, http://www.sco.com/, who failed suing everyone over Linux. The SCO that was doing the suing is actually Caldera, renamed to SCO (The SCO Group). The original SCO (Santa Cruz Operation) went bankrupt years ago and became Tarantella. EFAIL (cruel irony of errno.h), or http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009050519075131
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22:07<tcc>Hello World
22:08<Sveta>hi tcc :) :)
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22:09<tcc>Hi Sveta
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22:10<Sveta>Greetings tcc. :) How are you?
22:10<tcc>Fine. Thanks.
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22:18<matador>hello
22:21<sney>hi
22:21<matador>Hi!
22:21<matador>how are you
22:22<sney>this is a support channel for debian users, do you need help with something?
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22:23<matador>how can I install wifiphisher?
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22:24<sney>doesn't seem to be in the archive, what version of debian are you using
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22:25<matador>ubuntu 64bit
22:27<sney>!ubuntuirc
22:27<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
22:28<matador>thank you
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22:53<markhkim>What is the canonical way to install newer version of software that's not in backports? self-backporting?
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22:57<dvs>!ssb
22:57<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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22:59<markhkim>hm, so you grab the source from sid and build it yourself. how is it different from installing it directly from sid with, say, pinning so not everything is pullled from sid by default?
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23:01<dvs>you dont have to pin anything?
23:09<sney>you don't have to pin anything and you don't risk dependency hell
23:09<sney>and your system is still supported in #debian
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23:25<somiaj>markhkim: often times the package will depend on libs not in stretch, and so it isn't the package that is necesaraly the issue, but the shared libs that need to be upgraded too. But building against stretch libs ensures other packages that use those libs won't be affected
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