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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-07-06

---Logopened Fri Jul 06 00:00:23 2018
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00:26<felk>hey guys, can i get an audio stream of the default alsa device? i would like to |nc it, then attach with a player on other end, is it possible?
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00:50<ach>stream?
00:53<ach>i would say record to an output stream
00:54<ach>!vlc
00:54<dpkg>VLC media player is a free software multimedia player developed by the VideoLAN project. For DVD support, ask me about <dvd playback>. http://www.videolan.org/support/faq.html #videolan on irc.videolan.org.
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01:12<felk>ach: i say 'stream' because i want to get current audio playing data in one device, pipe to an unix ipc, and listen to that in other end, not a tcp/udp connection due latency
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01:36<sadhacked>hellow
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03:35<hnb>halilboluk: hala irc var mı ya
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03:41<grove>!tr
03:41<dpkg>i heard tr is t�rk�e yardIm i�in #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net.
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04:40<parrot>anyone here?
04:40<petn-randall>parrot: no
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04:41<petn-randall>It's just us two and a few hundred bots.
04:41<parrot>...
04:42<aidalgol>How can I narrow down a samba issue to the client or server?
04:42<aidalgol>In general.
04:43<petn-randall>aidalgol: I'd use a 2nd server and test the client against it.
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04:43<aidalgol>petn-randall: I don't have another samba server, unfortunately.
04:44<petn-randall>aidalgol: Do you have a 2nd client?
04:44<aidalgol>Yes, but they're all running the same version of Debian.
04:44<petn-randall>aidalgol: You could at least see if it's a config/package issue, though.
04:45<aidalgol>true
04:45<petn-randall>And there are several SMB client implementations in Debian.
04:45<aidalgol>oh, god...
04:45<petn-randall>smbclient the CLI, and also the fuse thing that most DEs use.
04:45<aidalgol>I think maybe I'll just go back to NFS.
04:45<petn-randall>The one is older than the other.
04:47<aidalgol>The problem I have is when I try to read files with NTFS-illegal characters in the name, the client OS gets "No such file or directory".
04:48<aidalgol>I have the share mounted via mount.cifs
04:48<petn-randall>aidalgol: Well, that would be a protocol problem, or not?
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04:49<aidalgol>From what I've read, the protocol allows for this. Windows clients will just freak out.
04:49<aidalgol>But now I realise that using samba on an all Unix network is rather silly.
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05:06<petn-randall>aidalgol: Yes, it wouldn't be my first choice.
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05:12<aidalgol>I only even tried it because this devices had it preconfigured by out of the box. (Xbian cubox.)
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05:31<Celelibi>How do I regenerate the grub config when I modified /etc/default/grub ?
05:32<petn-randall>Celelibi: 'update-grub' should be enough.
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05:33<Celelibi>Nice, thanks.
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06:25<fmneto>Hello
06:26<petn-randall>hi fmneto
06:26<fmneto>Last night I posted here a problem I've been having with nvidia drivers and linux-image 4.16.0-2, in which after upgrading to that kernel version the system hang up. It seems to be a problem with the nvidia driver currently available in testing.
06:27<petn-randall>!debian-next
06:27<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
06:27<petn-randall>fmneto: Try asking in the channel above, I think it's a known problem.
06:27<aidalgol>"did not read it's on irc.oftc.net."?
06:29<fmneto>petn-randall, I know that. The point is, I wanted to let people here know because others might come by asking about this.
06:29<petn-randall>aidalgol: There's a #debian on freenode, and we often get the response "I somehow can't connect????"
06:29<aidalgol>oh, as in "did not read that it is on irc.oftc.net"
06:29<petn-randall>fmneto: They'll also be hanging out in #debian-next. :)
06:29<aidalgol>wetware failed to parse.
06:29<fmneto>Sigh.
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06:30<aidalgol>petn-randall: Oh, I think fmneto is posting an *update* about something they posted in *here* earlier.
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07:58<k-man>i'm installing a system using deboostrap but i accidentally interrupted it with Ctrl-c
07:58<k-man>restarting it doesn't seem to work properly
07:58<k-man>it just validates a whole bunch of packages and then exits
07:58<k-man>can i restart it properly somehow?
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08:02<petn-randall>k-man: Did it even interrupt? I think it ignores the interrupt and just finishes.
08:03<k-man>i think it did interrupt
08:03<k-man>not sure now
08:04<k-man>but one thing is weird, there is no hosts file, thats why I think it didn't finish
08:05<petn-randall>k-man: You can always chroot into it and run 'dpkg --configure -a' to finish it off.
08:06<petn-randall>k-man: Though I don't use debootstrap often enough to know if it's in an undefined state. If in doubt and it's not too many files, just restart over with your debootstrap.
08:06<k-man>yeah i think i'll do that
08:08<itd_>k-man: IMHO D.3.4.4, sounds like you shouldn't expect /etc/hosts. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en#idm4413
08:11<k-man>itd_, i've been doing this a few times, testing putting debian on zfs for root, and each time it has had a /etc/hosts after debootstrap
08:12<itd_>k-man: You win. :)
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09:33<dragon12>how's difference between apt dist-upgrade and apt full-upgrade?
09:37<annadane>i think for aptitude it's full-upgrade
09:37<annadane>apt/apt-get is dist-upgrade
09:37<annadane>otherwise it'e the same
09:37<grove>The apt(8) man page only mentions "full-upgrade"
09:38<annadane>how did i miss that? but anyway dist-upgrade does exactly the same thing i think
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09:41<annadane>it's basically "remove packages to resolve conflicts" as opposed to upgrade or safe-upgrade which is "don't remove anything"
09:45<itd_>dist-upgrade/full-upgrade both call the same function https://sources.debian.org/src/apt/1.4.8/cmdline/apt.cc/?hl=74#L74
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12:14<Guest539>hi all
12:14<Guest539>vlc was upgraded in debian stable a couple of months ago
12:14<Guest539>now it seems this version cannot play mov video files correctly
12:15<Guest539>can someone reproduce this?
12:15<Guest539>debian stable has v3.0.2
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12:15<Guest539>just figured this out as i visited my father but he couldnt decently tell me when the issue started
12:16<Guest539>his mov movies play perfectly with mpv smplayer
12:18<arto>I don't have vlc installed, but there was some discussion on debian user forums rece
12:18<arto>recenty, and conclusion was somehow don't use vlc
12:20<Guest539>arto: no, thats not a solution
12:20<Guest539>will report it to vlc
12:21<arto>Guest539: better do file a bug report
12:21<somiaj>well I would look for one first
12:21<arto>Guest539: but that's up to you
12:23<somiaj>seems vlc has had issues with mov files for a while, and google has various solutions, one is convert the mov files to something vlc can play
12:24<somiaj>as for the version bump in stretch, it was a pain, but debian basically coudln't backport the security fixes to the older version, and sometimes this is the only way debian can ensure a secure version
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12:25<Guest539>ok thanks all
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12:25<Guest539>will look into reporting the bug but will first do some reading, happy i figured out his issue
12:26<Guest539>thanks
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12:26<somiaj>I see no sortages of reports about vlc and .mov files over the years
12:27<arto>somiaj: I remember years ago I could not view videos from my Casio camera on vlc, but mplayer was able to do that
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13:33<mkkfe>Hi. I don't understand: how does "Multi-Arch: same" packages avoid file name clashes when the package for 2 archs are installed on the same system? It's clear for files in e.g. /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, but what about arch-agnostic include files, or stuff in /usr/share/doc?
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13:35<retrospectacus>total guess here; maybe the files are the same and it just skips it
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13:35<mkkfe>retrospectacus: how is this checked? by hashing them? I'd like to see where it's documented...
13:36<mkkfe>or the first installed package wind? Or the native architecture?
13:36<retrospectacus>"Multi-arch: same" means they are the same. Trust that, no need to check anything
13:36<petn-randall>mkkfe: What actual problem are you trying to solve?
13:37<mkkfe>petn-randall: I want to understand when to use Multi-Arch: same in a software I'm trying to package.
13:37<mkkfe>but I have some files in it that would clash
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13:40<retrospectacus>try the mentors or packaging channels
13:40<itd_>mkkfe: If it's for debian #debian-mentors otherwise #packaging. If one package ships the same file as another, then it's not co-installable and thus not "same". At least that's how I read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec#Binary_package_control_fields
13:41<mkkfe>itd_: but e.g. /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/copyright will always be the same
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13:42<petn-randall>mkkfe: The requirement is that *all* files are the same, not just some.
13:42<mkkfe>I will ask in more specific channels. Thanks
13:43<mkkfe>if all the files are the same, then the package itself is the same
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13:43<mkkfe>which is not what we want
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13:47<itd_>oh well, ctrl+f copyright - "dpkg will implement an internal checksum database for files it installs, and reference counting for files shared by multiarch"
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15:01<tda>im about to upgrade from debian 8 to 9. what should i do about backports? disable it or use the newer repo?
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15:05<somiaj>tda: I would disable them during the upgrade
15:05<somiaj>but the backport packages should be nicely versioned so they will upgrade to the stretch version during the process. After you fully upgrade, you can add the new backports repo if you want newer software from there.
15:05<somiaj>also read the release notes
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15:06<tda>thanks. i didn't see anything in the docs or online about what to do with backports
15:07<somiaj>also disable all thrid party repos, and be careful of third party packages already installed
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15:08<tda>yeah i know that part. this system is pretty clean except for the couple of things from backports
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16:05<ais-admin>is this a valid crontab entry to execute a command at 00:15am every day except friday? 15 0 * * 0-4,6 /home/dosomething.cmd
16:06<petn-randall>ais-admin: Sure.
16:06<petn-randall>(you can also check the logs if it's invalid)
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16:07<ais-admin>ok, just wanted to make sure I could combine a list with a value. Will give it a go. Thx
16:07<@abrotman>.cmd .. that's cute :)
16:08<ais-admin>hehe you like that?
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16:24<tda>i just updated to debian 9 and networking doesnt work. I saw this during the upgrade: The /etc/default/networking file is now read even when systemd is used, although its use is not recommended.
16:24<tda>that's the only way to do it on the docs https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
16:24<retrospectacus>I believe you could use " sat-thu " instead of 0-4,6
16:25<tda>whats the right way to config the network now?
16:26<retrospectacus>do you use a DE with a network applet?
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16:28<tda>or service networking status says networking is down when its not
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16:30<tda>or is there a way to revert that part to whats in the pacakge so the server is at least reachable after upgrade and reboot?
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16:57<b17>tda: there are some details in the release notes about new interfaces names.
16:59<b17>it's not supposed to apply to upgrades but ya know?
16:59<dragon12>i've an error: unable to load vpn connection editor in gnome
16:59<dragon12>can anybody help me?
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17:00<tda>thanks. ill have to check it out over the weekend. later everyone
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22:27<scientes>where did all the -dbgsym packages go?
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22:34<scientes>found them, but there are version mismatches
22:34<scientes> libssl1.1-dbgsym : Depends: libssl1.1 (= 1.1.0f-3+deb9u1) but 1.1.0f-3+deb9u2 is to be installed
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22:40<somiaj>scientes: they are in a different repo
22:41<somiaj>and I think there is an issue where they aren't provided for packages in security until a point release
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22:47<somiaj>scientes: I'm not finding any repo for the debug packages for debian security, and I've seen this issue come up before, but never a solution.
22:47<somiaj>You may need to build the package using the deb-src from security, and the build will create a debug package
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23:50<wxy>https://blog.csdn.net/linuxprobe2017/article/details/78081604
23:50<lawliet>ok
23:51<annadane>ok but debian is not kali
23:52<lawliet>sorry its just a test we are new from here
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