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01:24<CryptoSec>I don't know if this might be the correct IRC channel for asking this kind of question... but I just moved my Debian v9 installed OS to a different computer (more CPU power) and I upgraded the graphics card from nvidia to Radeon.... but now I'm having a hard time logging into xfce desktop environment. I made sure to do a complete uninstall of all my nvidia graphics card drivers before...
01:24<CryptoSec>...installing radeon gpu drivers. But I'm still having issues logging into my desktop environment.
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01:25<CryptoSec>if there's anyone that can help me out, I would greatly appreciate it.
01:26<towo^work>[07:24:57] <CryptoSec> ...installing radeon gpu drivers. <== how and which?
01:27<CryptoSec>I used apt to search and install radeon gpu graphics card drivers.
01:27<CryptoSec>I used apt to search and install radeon gpu graphics card driver
01:27*mnuhmnuh nvidia --> radion, bravo, thumbs up.
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01:29<CryptoSec>is it a pain to install AMD/Radeon graphics card in Debian?
01:29<mnuhmnuh>xserver-xorg-video-radeon _should_ be what's necessary.
01:30<towo^work>nessesary is firmware-amd-graphics
01:31<towo^work>and if it is vega or newer areally recent kernel
01:32<CryptoSec>other than apt purge is there any other way for me to **completely** uninstall all graphics card drivers? before installing the radeon graphics card?
01:32<mnuhmnuh>towo^work: depends on hardware. i've no firmare installed here.
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01:32<towo^work>mnuhmnuh, all radeon cards needs firmware
01:32<CryptoSec>how can I install the latest kernel?
01:33<CryptoSec>I bought the Radeon RX560
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01:33<mnuhmnuh>really? i'm really behind there. huh.
01:34<towo^work>mnuhmnuh, really
01:34<towo^work>mnuhmnuh, look in your logs
01:34<towo^work>without firmware, they do not run at their specs
01:35<CryptoSec>I already have xserver-xorg-video-radeon installed: "xserver-xorg-video-radeon is already the newest version (1:7.8.0-1+b1).
01:35<CryptoSec>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
01:35<mnuhmnuh>towo^work: i don't use tham now, but did for a long time. didn't need blobs then.
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01:37<CryptoSec>I think I made a mistake going with radeon, I should have stayed with nvidia
01:38<mnuhmnuh>CryptoSec: so you need firmware, as towo^work says. /etc/apt/sources.list should have contrib and non-free on each line (?!?), then apt-get update ...
01:38<mnuhmnuh>no, nvidia is for gamers.
01:39<mnuhmnuh>stupid tech.
01:40<jm_>CryptoSec: use the kernel from bpo
01:41<CryptoSec>what's bpo ?
01:41<jm_>!bpo kernel
01:41<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <stretch-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t stretch-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
01:41<mnuhmnuh>no, try the firmware first. you just want it working.
01:42<CryptoSec>Well here is my sources.list: ( deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main contrib non-free
01:42<CryptoSec>deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main contrib non-free #Added by software-properties
01:42<CryptoSec>deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-updates main contrib non-free
01:42<CryptoSec>deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-updates main contrib non-free #Added by software-properties
01:43<CryptoSec>deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-updates main
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01:44<jm_>don't paste here, use the paste site
01:44<towo^work>Radeon RX 560 is polaris 21, debian stable is not the best choice for that piece of hardware
01:44<jm_>!paste
01:44<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
01:44<CryptoSec>sorry
01:45<mnuhmnuh>yeah, use paste.debian.net - irc is cranky that way.
01:45<CryptoSec>I will... my bad
01:45<mnuhmnuh>so yeah, aptitude search firmware
01:46<mnuhmnuh>assuming aptitude update first
01:48<CryptoSec>damn... got a lot from aptitude search firmware
01:48<towo^work>as i have written, tha package is named firmware-amd-graphics
01:48<mnuhmnuh>aptitude search firmware | grep -i blah # :-)
01:49<mnuhmnuh>aptitude search firmware | grep -i blah # :-)| less
01:49<CryptoSec>got it... my bad.. towo^work
01:51<CryptoSec>I already had it installed: https://pastebin.com/n3KzFvyN
01:51<towo^work>way to old for polaris
01:52<towo^work>that's why i was saying, debian stable is a bad choice for that piece of hardware
01:52<CryptoSec>is it? did not know what...
01:52<CryptoSec>so that should I do?
01:52<towo^work>try kernel and firmware from backports
01:53<CryptoSec>should I google it and download it from the web?
01:53<towo^work>i don'tknow, which kernel is in bpo
01:53<CryptoSec>how can I find out?
01:53<towo^work>but even X, DRM and Mesa could be to old for polaris
01:55<jm_>judd kernels
01:55<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.3-1); buster: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.16-2); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.16-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
01:55<judd>3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
01:57<CryptoSec>I have 4.9.0-6-amd64 installed in my computer
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01:58<jm_>yes, if you look above that's the default for stretch
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01:59<CryptoSec>so should I install 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.16-2~bpo9+1) ?
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01:59<jm_>,versions firmware-amd-graphics
01:59<judd>Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20170823-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20170823-1; sid/non-free: 20170823-1
01:59<jm_>it's worth trying with that one from bpo too
02:01<CryptoSec>how can I specify that i want to install 20170823-1~bpo9+1 from the bpo ?
02:02<jm_>https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
02:02<CryptoSec>got it jm_ I'll follow the direction....
02:03<jm_>let us know if you have problems, but like towo^work said, this might not be enough for rx560
02:03<CryptoSec>should I also upgrade the kernel to the bpo version as well... or should just take it one step at a time...
02:03<jm_>yes both
02:04<CryptoSec>would upgrading the kernel be enough for rx560 ?
02:04<jm_>it will leave current kernel installed so you can select it at boot time if there are issues with the new one
02:04<jm_>unlikely with such old firmware package
02:05<CryptoSec>so would I uninstall the old firmware package before installing the new one from bpo ?
02:05<towo^work>no
02:05<CryptoSec>ok
02:06<CryptoSec>so if I want to install the kernel as well from bpo I should replace "package" with kernel in "aptitude -t stretch-backports install "package" " ?
02:07<jm_>with actual package name yes, previously dpkg the bot told you how to search for available kernel package names
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02:13<CryptoSec>okay, I just want to double check with you guys before I press anything.... what should I do? https://pastebin.com/tVavpuCg
02:13<CryptoSec>should I press Y ?
02:13<towo^work>aptitude -t stretch-backports install firmware-amd-graphics firmware-linux-nonfree
02:14<jm_>yeah just grab firmware-linux-nonfree from bpo too
02:14<towo^work>but with that no kernel from bpo will be installed
02:14<jm_>also, use apt if you normally use that to install packages
02:15<CryptoSec>okay. I'll do that too... see its a good thing that i checked...
02:17<CryptoSec>okay it's doing its thing....
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02:20<CryptoSec>I don't know if its done or not or if it went through without any issues.... aptitude is new for me... can you guys just double check and let me know if it worked or not? https://pastebin.com/JNtvPhtc
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02:22<towo^work>use apt
02:24<CryptoSec>ya I just did that and it gave me this error message https://pastebin.com/bQCn56Kv
02:24<towo^work>apt-get -t stretch-backports install firmware-amd-graphics firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree
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02:25<CryptoSec>okay, let me try that one...
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02:28<CryptoSec>okay it did its thing... can you double check and see it with worked or not ? https://pastebin.com/chSucCVZ
02:28<CryptoSec>thank you.
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02:29<jm_>you did not install the kernel
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02:35<CryptoSec>you're right... sorry about that... how can I search for the kernel in the bpo ?
02:36<mnuhmnuh>i like 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 - :-)
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02:36<jm_>!tell CryptoSec -about bpo kernel
02:37<mnuhmnuh>deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main contrib non-free
02:37<mnuhmnuh>deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main contrib non-free
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02:41<CryptoSec>I added the second line to my sources.list
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02:41<CryptoSec>I'm following the information that you send me, jm_
02:41<mnuhmnuh>add both.
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02:42<jm_>CryptoSec: not me, dpkg the bot sent it
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02:42<CryptoSec>oh.. got it.
02:44<CryptoSec>okay, its doing its thing...
02:44<mnuhmnuh>add both lines, apt-get update && apt-get install $whatyouwant
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02:49<CryptoSec>it complained about missing linux-headers-4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 I tried to install it but it gave me an error message? any suggestions? https://pastebin.com/peETXQf6
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02:51<mnuhmnuh>do you want to re-build, or just run, 4.16?
02:52<jm_>1. you need to use -t stretch-backports to install linux-headers-4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64, 2. same story as before, install linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 from bpo too
02:53<CryptoSec>okay I'll do that jm_
02:56<CryptoSec>@jm_ can you check and see if it worked or not.... https://pastebin.com/YZkpxQLe
02:57<jm_>looks OK to me
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03:01<CryptoSec>okay... I guess I'll go ahead and restart my computer.... brb
03:01<CryptoSec>thank you all....
03:01<CryptoSec>but I'll be back
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03:10<CryptoSec>I'm back...
03:10<CryptoSec>but I'm still not able to log into xfce
03:11<CryptoSec>as soon as I enter my username and passoword it goes in and kicks me back to the login page.
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03:13<CryptoSec>in fact none of my desktop environment don't work.... except for "GNOME on Wayland"
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03:25<jm_>CryptoSec: try checking your session logs
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03:25<CryptoSec>how can I do that?
03:30<CryptoSec>is it in /var/log/
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03:32<CryptoSec>is it in /var/log/syslog.x.gz ?
03:32<CryptoSec>is it in /var/log/Xorg.1.log ?
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03:35<mnuhmnuh>CryptoSec: which login manager (gdm, lightdm, xdm, wdm, ...) is there? gdm3?
03:35<CryptoSec>how can I find out ? I don't know...
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03:38<jm_>cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
03:39<mnuhmnuh>i look at "aptitude search dm | grep ^i" and see lightdm and wdm (my choice :-) here.
03:40<mnuhmnuh>or that.
03:40<Anarka>also aptitude search ~idm :)
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03:41<jm_>or «systemctl show graphical.target | grep Wants | grep dm» (that last grep is to colour the dm entry and help you find it if you have it enabled)
03:42<mnuhmnuh>no, listen to jm_
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03:43<mnuhmnuh>i mean cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
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03:44<CryptoSec>I tried all your methods... there sure is a lot of different way of doing a single thing
03:44<CryptoSec>https://pastebin.com/nByjKQz5
03:45<jm_>can you please use paste.debian.net instead?
03:45<CryptoSec>I want to say its /usr/sbin/gdm3
03:45<Anarka>choices!
03:45<jm_>so it's gdm, I think that one nowadays logs to ~/.local somewhere
03:45<jm_>try find ~|grep gdm
03:47<CryptoSec>http://paste.debian.net/1033202/
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03:52<jm_>hmm not sure where it should be
03:53<mnuhmnuh>CryptoSec: it is gdm3
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03:55<jm_>maybe ~/.local/share/xorg/ or somewhere in ~/.local/share/
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03:55<jm_>I found ~/.cache/gdm/session.log in my irc logs, but obviously not for you
03:56<CryptoSec>what file should I be looking for in those location? gdm3 ?
03:56<jm_>that's the thing I can't help with as I don't use gdm :)
03:57<CryptoSec>what about if I install something else ? like a gdm alternative....
03:57<CryptoSec>would that fix my login issue?
03:57<jm_>or maybe try startx and look at ~/.xsession*
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03:57<mnuhmnuh>CryptoSec: so, you can login and it works, but cn't do it with xfce, is th prob.?
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03:59<jm_>so to elaborate, login on a tty and try startx there
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03:59<CryptoSec>ya I'm logged into "GNOME on Wayland" right now but when I want to log into xfce... I get the login loop
04:00<towo^work>if you use gdm3 it is running on wayland
04:00<jm_>so maybe a different DM would indeed help for xfce
04:00<towo^work>and afaik you can't start xfce (xorg) from a wayland session
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04:02<CryptoSec>so I have to log off and do the ctrl alt F2 and login through there
04:02<CryptoSec>and try startx
04:03<CryptoSec>@jm_ what DM would you recommend?
04:03<robruf>Hi guys. I'd like to install debian on a Dell Latitude E5420 laptop. Does debian work just fine on this kind of laptop? Are there any compatibility issues I might run into?
04:04<jm_>yeah but you'd need to tell it to start xfce, i.e. 'echo xfce4-session > ~/.xsession' (make a backup first if you already have that file)
04:05<jm_>CryptoSec: lightdm would be, you can always switch back or to a different one
04:05<mnuhmnuh>i don't believe choice of dm is the prob., unless gdm is _really_ very wrong about this stuff (which it is).
04:05<mnuhmnuh>CryptoSec: lightdm and wdm.
04:07<CryptoSec>It's getting really take and I don't have any brain power left in me to think... I'll save your messages on a textpad and review to tomorrow... It's getting really later over here...
04:07<mnuhmnuh>me too.
04:08<CryptoSec>good night everyone....
04:08<CryptoSec>thank you for helping me out.... chat with you guys tomorrow.
04:08<jm_>no worries
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05:39<parckwart_>Anyone know where I can buy desktop/laptop computers with Debian pre-installed?
05:40<petn-randall>parckwart_: Purism sells laptops, though it's not 100% Debian.
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05:44<oo_miguel>I have a very inconsistent experience with, what selecting some text with my left mouse button does.. some programms put in inside the X clipboard (the one I can see with 'xclip -o'), while others (e.g. nvim) do not put the text there... Is there any way to unify this, or do I have to manully check each and every programm ?
05:45<oo_miguel>Now I often end up pasting some text I selected before (not the currently selected) which is very annoying, in particular when it is in some live-chat messanger :P
05:45<petn-randall>Anything embarrassing happened you want to talk about? ;)
05:45<oo_miguel>haha
05:46<oo_miguel>I do not want to talk about it :)
05:46<oo_miguel>in fact I double and triple check the contents of my clipboard every time 'before' pasting
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05:55<petn-randall>oo_miguel: Technically you have two cut buffers in X11; the one you access with mouse1-drag + middle click, and then the one with ctrl+c/ctrl+v. IIRC KDE and Gnome have paste managers that can sync them.
05:56<petn-randall>oo_miguel: I think the former one works pretty much always, but the latter one needs to be supported in the library of the program. That's just my theory from observing stuff as a user.
05:56<jm_>oo_miguel: you could check if tools like autocutsel help
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05:57<oo_miguel>hmmm I just found out that wile vim puts it in this buffer out of the box. I have to shift-select in nvim
05:57<oo_miguel>I guess my problem is very applicaiton specific
05:59<jimpop>does emacs copy+paste work any more consistently?
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06:00<oo_miguel>petn-randall: jm_: thank you for your suggestions. Will have a look at autocutsel too.. anyway I will have to play with the settings a bit.
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06:00*jimpop wonders why vim made such a significant ui change
06:02<oo_miguel>jimpop: neovim is a fork and not vim itself
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06:05<jimpop>same issue exists in vim
06:06<jimpop>unless 2:8.0.0197-4+deb9u1 is neovim
06:06<jimpop>seems like they should mention that if it is
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06:07<bremner>"apt show vim" will tell you
06:07<bremner>and I doubt it
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06:08<oo_miguel>jimpop: my question was not about neovim or vim in particular, but about the fact that different programms treat selecting text with the left mouse button differently which results in an inconsistent user experience.
06:08<bremner>yes, that's unfortunately true
06:08<oo_miguel>I just named vim and nvim as an example
06:08<jm_>at least in gvim one can copy in either buffer, i.e. "+
06:08<oo_miguel>of two programms that treat it in different waus
06:08<oo_miguel>ways*
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06:09<jimpop>oo_miguel: i have that exact issue but only with vim being different.
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06:10<oo_miguel>jimpop: hmm maybe this is related to setting of the 'mouse' option
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06:11<jimpop>maybe drag+copy has been wrong all along and vim is finally catching up
06:11<oo_miguel>but one way or another.. it seems that I will not get around in tuning every single programm to my requirements individually
06:11<annadane>"cortana, please copy and paste..."
06:11<jimpop>oo_miguel: i set mouse=r
06:12<oo_miguel>I have =a
06:12<jimpop>r > a imho
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07:14<annadane>-nox is usually the CLI implementation of a program with a GUI; emacs-nox is the terminal version
07:14<annadane>anyway,
07:15<annadane>mesa... how do i install it? is it already installed? i'm trying to see whether maybe having mesa packages will improve the state of nouveau; i'm just not sure what to install specifically; apparently there's a mesa-dri-nouveau driver but i'm not sure what the package might be called in debian
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07:17<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/Mesa does seem to be fairly decent
07:19<annadane>maybe i'll just shut up and read the damn wiki
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08:01<dheeshus>hi
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08:05<arto>just ask, if it is about debian
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10:07<tda>how do i get apache 2.4.25-3+deb9u4? this says its in the security repo: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/DSA-4164-1 when i do apt-get update, it doesn't find it. This is the repo i have in sources.list: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
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10:11<petn-randall>,v apache2
10:11<judd>Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u13; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u3; stretch-proposed-updates: 2.4.25-3+deb9u4; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u4; buster: 2.4.33-3+b1; sid: 2.4.33-3+b1
10:11<petn-randall>!bat
10:11<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
10:11<petn-randall>tda: Can you provide *all* the info above?
10:13<tda>where can i paste it?
10:13<annadane>paste.debian.net, as it says
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11:28<PamIssues>I am trying to implement password complexity through pam, and when I do along with trying to change my password, I get the error passwd: Module is unknown. It does change the password but doesn't follow the complexity that I want
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11:29<PamIssues>This is my setting: password requisite pam_cracklib.so try_first_pass retry=5 minlength=9 lcredit=-1 ucredit=-1 dcredit=-1 ocredit=-1 difok=2
11:30<PamIssues>I need to implement, minimum of 7 characters, with uppercase, lowercase and a number. (I know that the one I posted is more then that)
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12:26<rtwld>hi anybody there?
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12:30<PamIssues>How would I figure out what package to install to get pam_faillock.so
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12:35<rtwld>have you tried a search at packages.debian.org?
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12:35<rtwld>after an update, i cannot login as a normal user, in /var/log/auth.log I read "lightdm: gkr-pam: couldn't run gnome-keyring-daemon: No such file or directory"
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12:37<PamIssues>rtwld: What did you update
12:38<rtwld>a lot of packages ...
12:38<arto>PamIssues: apt-file does not find pam_faillock.so
12:39<sney>rtwld: what debian version?
12:40<rtwld>unstable
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12:40<sney>you should be asking in #debian-next
12:41<sney>but having something break after a big upgrade on sid is pretty standard, and why you need to look at the list of packages apt is updating, and have a general awareness of any ongoing transitions
12:41<PamIssues>arto: I am trying to implement locking accounts after 3 failed attempts
12:41<PamIssues>arto: for 30 minutes
12:42<arto>PamIssues: sorry, I have no knowledge of pam
12:42<PamIssues>Should I try pam_tally?
12:42<PamIssues>Ok
12:42<PamIssues>thank you for your assistance though
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12:44<sney>check the date on the document you are using for these instructions. this sounds like something that probably *used to* be a pam-based solution, but may be handled differently now, probably with systemd
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12:51<Synthea>Ant says "Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly."
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12:54<CryptoSec>I'm back
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13:01<CryptoSec>I was wondering how can I install a different DM ?
13:02<arto>Synthea: try: export JAVA_HOME=/usr/bin/java
13:03<Synthea>arto same thing
13:03<arto>CryptoSec: I've done: apt purge [dm]; auto autoremove; apt install [dm2]
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13:05<arto>CryptoSec: but you can have two if you want, then select at login screen which will you use
13:06<arto>Synthea: I can't say more, but check ant documentation, what it expects that environment variable to show
13:06<CryptoSec>sorry arto, I've been talking to jm_ yesterday and since I'm having problem logging into any other desktop environments like xfce and etc... he said that since I have gdm3... i can try installing an alternative and hopefully that would fix my debian login loop issue that I'm having....
13:07<arto>CryptoSec: I have lightdm with xfce
13:08<CryptoSec>how can I uninstall gdm3 and install lightdm ?
13:08<arto>CryptoSec: just like I told how to change dm
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13:09<CryptoSec>oh...
13:09<arto>CryptoSec: but I would first purge dm, then gdm3
13:09<arto>CryptoSec: might be apt autoremove would remove it anyways
13:10<CryptoSec>wait, are you saying that i have to completely remove my xfce desktop manger first?
13:10<arto>CryptoSec: but log of X, do those from terminal
13:10<arto>CryptoSec: like I said, you can have two at same time
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13:13<arto>CryptoSec: I think xfce can manage with gdm, but if gnome(?) with lighdm, not sure
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13:14<CryptoSec>ya I'm having login loop issue when I installed rx560 graphics card and moved my hard drive to a new motherboard....
13:14<CryptoSec>so I'm just trying to do something that would fix that issue...
13:16<arto>CryptoSec: and the problem is login loop? What does it do?
13:16<CryptoSec>I installed a new firmware and linux kernel and a gpu driver from bpo .... with jm_ and with the help of other people as well.
13:17<CryptoSec>as soon as I put my username and password and press enter... it logs me in and out automatically....
13:17<CryptoSec>I don't even see the desktop
13:17<arto>CryptoSec: weird
13:17<CryptoSec>ya
13:18<CryptoSec>is there a log for the gdm3 that i can see what's going on ?
13:18<arto>CryptoSec: that can't continue
13:18<CryptoSec>like any kind of error message
13:19<arto>CryptoSec: I thing there is, check /var/log, if there is gdm
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13:19<arto>CryptoSec: or Xorg.log
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13:21<arto>CryptoSec: I have /var/log/lightdm, so I bet you have gdmX
13:22<CryptoSec>ya that's what I found https://paste.debian.net/1033305/
13:22<CryptoSec>how can I view stuff in (null)-greeter.log
13:22<CryptoSec>I can't open it in nano
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13:22<CryptoSec>I'm in sudo su - right now
13:24<arto>CryptoSec: I could read it with sudo view (requires vim), try sudo nano FILE
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13:26<CryptoSec>I tried it and I'm getting the following error message https://paste.debian.net/1033307/
13:27<arto>CryptoSec: you are root allready, just nano FILE
13:28<arto>CryptoSec: nano (null)-greeter....
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13:30<CryptoSec>I tried that too but... https://paste.debian.net/1033308/
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13:31<arto>CryptoSec: hmm, thats a problem, let's see...
13:33<arto>try: cat (null)-greeter.log
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13:34<CryptoSec>is this a good link to follow if I want to start install a different DM ? https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/choose-switch-linux-display-managers/
13:35<CryptoSec>nope it didn't work https://paste.debian.net/1033309/
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13:37<arto>CryptoSec: what says if you write: whoami
13:37<CryptoSec>root https://paste.debian.net/1033310/
13:38<arto>CryptoSec: and that link just told about different dm, I did not find any info how to change, but there was mention that lightm should work with all
13:38<sney>you will have to escape or quote the bad characters
13:38<sney>right now bash is trying to interpret the (null) as an expression rather than part of a file name
13:39<sney>probably just doing less "(null)-greeter.log" will work
13:39<CryptoSec>got it
13:39<CryptoSec>it worked
13:39<CryptoSec>wow.... it says "unable to run X Server"
13:39<arto>blah, and I did not remember that
13:40<arto>CryptoSec: check Xorg.n.log
13:43<arto>CryptoSec: and that makeuseof.com indeed had instructions, how to change, but I'm not sure if that is the case in stretch
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13:45<CryptoSec>here is the output from all of the (null)-greeter.log https://paste.debian.net/1033311/
13:45<sney>also, gdm seems to be working, it's just failing to start the actual session, so changing gdm to lightdm or sddm or whatever would probably leave you with the same problem
13:45<CryptoSec>damn
13:46<CryptoSec>so I should probaby check with Xorg.n.log just like what arto said ?
13:46<sney>yes. it may be in /var/log or it may be in ~/.local/share somewhere
13:46<arto>n being number, 0 is newest I thing
13:47<sney>yes 0 is the newest.
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13:50<CryptoSec>wait... i think I got something... I got a lot of text in that log....
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13:51<arto>check last lines
13:51<sney>X logs always have a lot of text even when everything is working, but lines that have (WW) or (EE) will have the important information
13:51<sney>the last lines will probably be something like "no screens found" which just means you need to scroll up and find the real problem
13:55<CryptoSec>there's a lot of output... I just copy paste the whole damn thing.... https://paste.debian.net/1033313/
13:57<CryptoSec>I purged all my nvidia drivers using apt how can it still be there?
13:58<arto>CryptoSec: what is your gpu?
14:01<CryptoSec>Radeon RX560 (Polaris11)
14:01<arto>ok, you said it Radeon rx 560
14:01<CryptoSec>does that answer your question...
14:01<arto>yes
14:01<arto>you need driver
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14:02<CryptoSec>ya I installed drivers with jm_ yesterday
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14:04<arto>firmware-amd-graphics ?
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14:04<CryptoSec>I went through this "sudo apt-get -t stretch-backports install firmware-amd-graphics firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree" with jm_
14:05<CryptoSec>and this " sudo apt-get -t stretch-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` "
14:05<CryptoSec>and this sudo apt-get -t stretch-backports install install linux-headers-4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86
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14:07<arto>still xorg thinks you have nvdia
14:07<CryptoSec>I don't know why there is all this nvidia in that log...
14:07<CryptoSec>ya...
14:07<CryptoSec>is there a way for it to make it forget nvidia and pick up radeon ?
14:10<CryptoSec>something like this ? https://askubuntu.com/questions/12937/remove-nvidia-driver-and-go-back-to-nouveau
14:10<arto>Cryptosec: aptitude show firmware-amd-graphics
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14:11<arto>CryptoSec: nouveau would not work on amd card
14:11<arto>CryptoSec: does aptitude show firmware-amd-graphics include your gpu
14:12<CryptoSec>yes here is the exact output: https://paste.debian.net/1033314/
14:13<arto>oh, it does not show, for me it lists each card it supports
14:15<arto>CryptoSec: jm_ and other said that is the right driver for your gpu?
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14:17<CryptoSec>yes, we actually installed the latest version from bpo
14:17<arto>what would I suggest, perhaps you need /etc/X11/xorg.log
14:17<sney>CryptoSec: Xorg doesn't load the nvidia driver automatically so there is probably a file in /etc/X11/Xorg.conf.d that is triggering it
14:17<sney>and if you delete that it will stop
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14:18<arto>but I have had any ati/amd card for more than 20 years
14:18<arto>have not have
14:18<arto>whatever...
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14:19<CryptoSec>oh hell ya.... if I can delete it and it would fix it I'm all for it
14:19<arto>CryptoSec: xorg.log is not man
14:19<arto>datory
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14:19<arto>mean xorg.conf, i'm feeling tired
14:20<CryptoSec>that's alright
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14:21<CryptoSec>which one should I delete ? https://paste.debian.net/1033315/
14:22<sney>both xorg.conf
14:22<arto>CryptoSec: mv xorg.conf to something else
14:22<CryptoSec>do I need to make a backup of those files just in-case if something happens
14:22<sney>it looks like there is some nonstandard stuff going on so you may also want to install nvidia-installer-cleanup
14:23<sney>xorg works fine without a config file, but if it makes you feel better you can back them up
14:23<arto>that was my suggestion, but I guess you won't need them
14:23<CryptoSec>what's the complete command to do that
14:23<CryptoSec>?
14:23<sney>mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.old
14:24<sney>or similar
14:24<arto>or rm xorg.conf* if you want to delete those
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14:25<CryptoSec>should I do the same thing for xorg.conf.nvidia-xconfig-original to make a backup?
14:25<sney>that file will not be read by xorg
14:25<arto>no need
14:25<CryptoSec>understood
14:27<CryptoSec>damn can you check and see if I did correctly ?
14:27<CryptoSec>damn can you check and see if I did correctly ? https://paste.debian.net/1033316/
14:27<sney>yeah that should be fine
14:27<CryptoSec>is there a need for me to delete anything
14:27<CryptoSec>?
14:27<arto>seems ok
14:28<sney>renaming the files has the same result as deleting them - xorg does not read them when loading
14:28<CryptoSec>understood....
14:28<CryptoSec>so what should I do? restart my computer ????
14:28<arto>restart X
14:29<arto>or computer
14:29<CryptoSec>I'm going to go with the computer...
14:30<CryptoSec>and when it get to the login page? what should I do? should I try to log in to xfce and see if it works or not ?
14:30<arto>yes
14:30<sney>yes just try to use it normally
14:30<CryptoSec>understood. brb
14:30<CryptoSec>and thank you all!
14:31<arto>thank sney
14:31<CryptoSec>thank you sney !
14:31<sney>np let me know if it works
14:31<CryptoSec>brb
14:31<CryptoSec>okay
14:31<CryptoSec>brb
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14:41<matthew>Hey
14:41<arto>matthew: just ask if it is about debian
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14:49<PamIssues>I seem to be unable to get SSH to display that an account has been locked out. Is there a module that setting messages to silent?
14:50<PamIssues>A pluggable administration module
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14:56<PamIssues>Ugh power went out
14:57<sarnold>you missed nothing while you were away
14:57<PamIssues>Exciting
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14:59<sarnold>PamIssues: fwiw I wouldn't expect sshd to give the client a *good* error message; I'd expect "authentication failed" regardless of the real reason
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15:00<PamIssues>sarnold: I enabled pam_tally2 and it works but it doesn't tell you that the account is locked out
15:00<PamIssues>sarnold: I realize the security issue in that message but I'd like to have it
15:00<buyukadam>Hi all. I need help about linux-headers. Virtualbox complaining about it's configuration and when I run vboxconfig, it says that you need these two packages: linux-headers-amd64 linux-headers-4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 I already have linux-headers-amd64 but can't install linux-headers.4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 because my repo gives me Linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 but I need (>= 4.14.17-1~)
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15:01<sney>buyukadam: 4.16 is in stretch-backports
15:02<buyukadam>I've got this in my sources list deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main
15:03<buyukadam>apt install can recognize 4.16 too. but it says it depends on gcc 4.14, yet I can only get 4.9
15:03<buyukadam>I've got a problem with Linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (>= 4.14.17-1~)
15:04<sney>,v linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86
15:04<judd>Package: linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 on amd64 -- stretch: 4.9.82-1+deb9u3; stretch-security: 4.9.88-1+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9.107-1; stretch-backports: 4.16.12-1~bpo9+1
15:04<sney>also in backports. you may need to append '-t stretch-backports' to your apt-get commands.
15:04<buyukadam>hmm lets see...
15:05<buyukadam>nope. still getting an error
15:05<sney>http://paste.debian.net/ paste the command and full output please and link here
15:05<buyukadam>man I'm using Turkish interface :(
15:06<buyukadam>but still try to translate it
15:06<sney>!localized errors
15:06<dpkg>To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
15:06<buyukadam>here yo go: https://paste.debian.net/1033320/
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15:08<sney>buyukadam: you have to add "-t stretch-backports" to the command.
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15:09<buyukadam>english errors are coming..
15:09<TyYoung>hey
15:09<buyukadam>https://paste.debian.net/1033321/
15:10<sney>buyukadam: I already gave you the answer, you need to add "-t stretch-backports" to the command.
15:10<buyukadam>man I'm really sorry I missed that
15:10<buyukadam>finally
15:10<buyukadam>55 MB is coming thank you
15:10<buyukadam>I'll be back in a min
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15:12<buyukadam>allright guys virtualbox started without any errors
15:13<buyukadam>thank you all now I can install a machine and try
15:13<CryptoSec>I'm back!
15:13<CryptoSec>and it worked !!!
15:14<buyukadam>so many happy people tonight :)
15:14<CryptoSec>removing the xorg.conf file really the job.
15:14<sney>the kinds of things I get done when I'm procrastinating
15:15<CryptoSec>thank you sney and everyone else that helped me out... I'm logged into xfce right now. I was loosing hope....
15:15<buyukadam>@sney @judd thank you guys for your help
15:16<PamIssues>Anyone know how to remove the Using keyboard-interactive authentication message in ssh
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15:28<mnuhmnuh>CryptoSec: blow away xorg.conf, and now you can use both gnome and xfce? nuts.
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15:34<CryptoSec>well I just logged into xfce... I haven't logged into gnome....
15:35<CryptoSec>I have to run to the post office and when I'm back... I'll give it a try
15:35<mnuhmnuh>sney: never do today what you can put off until tomorrow, next week, year, ... not procrastinating, analysis phase. :-)
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15:54<LabMik>Hello I have thunderbird on Debian stretch from official repo. Thunderbird is very slow at boot time and since I do something in it takes 100% from a core for several seconds. specially when I change tab from mail to calendar. I test several things, deactivate calendar, deactivate addons, start with a new profile, without succeed to improve performance.
15:54<LabMik>Do you have the same problems or thunderbird works fine on your system ?
15:58<LabMik>8s to change tab from calendar to tasks
16:00<mnuhmnuh>LabMik: is tbird the only slow app? are you using lots of swap (free -m)?
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16:01<LabMik>I have 6.1G free memory
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16:01<mnuhmnuh>aii. :-)
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16:01<LabMik>Firefox run slowly too
16:02<LabMik>but I I run chromium in the same time than thunderbird chromium works fast as expected and tbd run slowly
16:03<LabMik>idem on pidgin I use right now
16:03<LabMik>no problem
16:03<LabMik>now I click quit on tbd
16:04<LabMik>and i tstopped now
16:04<LabMik>I launch it now
16:05<LabMik>100% on cpu
16:05<LabMik>and no tdb
16:05<LabMik>in top i see it
16:05<LabMik>not on my desktop
16:05<mnuhmnuh>LabMik: you might try drilling through tracker.debian.org bug report discussions, see if anyone else's mentioned it.
16:05<LabMik>ah
16:06<LabMik>I am looking for
16:06<LabMik>tdb appear
16:06<LabMik>110% on a core
16:08<LabMik>perhaps I did not look at the right place
16:08<LabMik>just searched on internet
16:08<LabMik>now it stop using 100% of a core
16:09<LabMik>but see I try something it start using a core for 4-8s
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16:09<LabMik>but if*
16:09<kase>ef
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16:10<sarnold>strace it or use perf top or something similar to see what's going on
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16:11<LabMik>yes sarnold I will try it bt I am not sure I cans deal with inforamtion strace provides
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16:11<LabMik>do you use thunderbird sarnold mnuhmnuh ?
16:11<LabMik>on Debian 9 ?
16:11<sarnold>no
16:11<LabMik>ok
16:12<mnuhmnuh>no, i've seen it a couple of times. i prefer mutt.
16:12<LabMik>How do you do for email sarnold ?
16:12<sarnold>mutt
16:12<LabMik>ok is mutt in curl ?
16:12<LabMik>and for calendar ?
16:12<sarnold>cal
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16:13<mnuhmnuh>LabMik: post results to paste.debian.net
16:13<mnuhmnuh>cal
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16:13<LabMik>from strace mnuhmnuh ?
16:13<mnuhmnuh>sure.
16:13<LabMik>ok
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16:14<LabMik>the time to stop it and reboot it from shell
16:14<mnuhmnuh>ensure no pwords or etc. get out though. :-)
16:14<LabMik>ok
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16:16<LabMik>I didn't have strace I install it
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16:18<LabMik>lot of ouput
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16:19<LabMik>cal did not send remainder is just the date and the week day. no ?
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16:23<mnuhmnuh>cal is just dumb display of month days. if you want active reminder, note taker, notifying, yadayada tool, i don't use em, but they exist.
16:23<LabMik>yes I try several but It worst thunderbird. It misses always something
16:24<LabMik>it worst than
16:26<LabMik>redbook is nice but it's not really a calendar
16:26<LabMik>it's a journal
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16:32<mnuhmnuh>i see on the wiki.debian.org thunderbird page you can "thunderbird --verbose". might tell you something.
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16:34<LabMik>mnuhmnuh: the trace is so big. paste.debian.net won't it
16:34<LabMik>I try this
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16:37<mnuhmnuh>LabMik: yeah, i thought gui app output might be a bit too chatty. there's another place (don't know name) that accepts large blobs.
16:38<mnuhmnuh>or you could try to dredge through it for essentials, warning, ...
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16:38<LabMik>nothing interesting with --verbose option https://paste.debian.net/1033331/
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16:40<mnuhmnuh>ptheh.
16:40<LabMik>there is the same warning in strace
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16:42<LabMik>other than that, it's a series of system calls
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16:43<LabMik>mmap, open, fstat etc...
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16:45<mnuhmnuh>is opera still out there? maybe it does all that stuff.
16:45<LabMik>I think I make my calendar on a server and try mutt for email
16:45<mnuhmnuh>calendaring.
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16:46<mnuhmnuh>mutt's brilliant.
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16:46<LabMik>opera as much use cromium with chrome apps from chrome store
16:46<LabMik>but I don't want that
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16:49<LabMik>I have chromium for test purpose. I use firefox (waiting for servo). I have used thunderbird since now but it begins to be really boring.
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16:52<LabMik>I put a calendar app on a server with a nice interface and I use mutt. Make a basic calendar it's not very hard. I send email for remainder and that's it
16:52<LabMik>mnuhmnuh: thx anyway
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16:52<mnuhmnuh>never saw the point in gussying up email with stationary, webbishness, yadayada.
16:52<LabMik>sarnold too
16:53<sarnold>LabMik: any luck?
16:54<LabMik>mnuhmnuh: how do you do for your appointments ?
16:54<LabMik>I need something to recall this
16:55<mnuhmnuh>LabMik: i never relied on a computer to do that stuff for me.
16:55<LabMik>sarnold: no. I don't know if I continue with thunderbird. I must think to migrate from thunderbird to something other
16:55<LabMik>mnuhmnuh: interesting
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16:56<mnuhmnuh>you can manage the contents of your deep freeze with an rdb, but it's dumb to do so.
16:57<mnuhmnuh>your wife, kids, yourself will screw it up in no time. :-)
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16:58<mnuhmnuh>computers are not the right tool for every problem.
16:58<Guest917>:v
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16:59<LabMik>I need to planify phone interview every week. computer is good for that
17:01<LabMik>and my boss send me events
17:02<LabMik>so I need something. but I am agree with you mnuhmnuh I would prefer to do without
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17:03<mnuhmnuh>i just used those daytimer notepads you keep in your pocket. power failure immune, searchable archives, ...
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17:05<LabMik>I am going to to think about it mnuhmnuh. It is not a bad idea
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17:28<mnuhmnuh>how do you adjust volume in aplay? i used to know but can't find it in manpage. just playing wav from cli.
17:28<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>hi
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17:29<stephen77>mnuhmnuh: alsamixer
17:29<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>can any one help me with a problem on 2.1 macbook i sight camera
17:30<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>or direct me on where to have this conversation
17:30<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>what is alsa mixer?
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17:31<mnuhmnuh>stephen77: but that'd adjust all sound, which is good now. i just want this aplay to play less volume than it does now.
17:31<stephen77>Oh, okay
17:31<stephen77>I'm not sure then
17:32<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>ah ok that was not for me
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17:32<mnuhmnuh>alexissampaiokokorelis[m]: alsamixer is unrelated to your i sight camera. :-)
17:33<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>yes just realeased sorry about that
17:33<mnuhmnuh>you greeks have the longest nicks. :-)
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17:34<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>mnuhmnuh maybe you can help me
17:34<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>i saw in hnode
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17:35<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>that the first isight camera on the 1.1 macbook didnt requeired any non-free firmware is that truth
17:35<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>have you ever heard about thta
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17:36<mnuhmnuh>alexissampaiokokorelis[m]: i don't know much re: macs (used osx, that's all), and little more about cameras. don't expect much, but happy to try.
17:37<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>is there any debian mac specific room in oftc
17:37<mnuhmnuh>alexissampaiokokorelis[m]: have you surfed wiki.debian.org for "isight" or "cheese" or possibly related?
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17:38<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>thank you
17:38<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>already did that, but thank you anyways
17:39<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>will try libreboot room
17:39<mnuhmnuh>bon chance.
17:39<mnuhmnuh>try later when others may see.
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17:40<mohammad>hi!
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17:40<mohammad>i have hp p1102 on adsl share.
17:40<mohammad>but debian 9.4 xfce not detect printer with url:192.168.1.1:631/printers/Printer
17:40<mohammad>how i can resolve rhe problem?
17:41<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>yes shore cheers
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17:43<mohammad>how i can install printer??
17:43<mohammad>please help.
17:45<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>i can help you with that
17:45<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>are you using gnome desktop
17:45<mnuhmnuh>mohammad: was thinking. were it me, i'd log into my router's web config interface and make sure it's allowing pc <---> printer comms. but adsl? how?
17:45<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>or other?
17:46<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>if you are using gnome desktop, you go to setings
17:46<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>then printers
17:46<HumanGeek>Hello, there is a way to restrict the use of one or more tools (gcc) to one or more specify user ?
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17:47<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>then you need to unlock, after add printer
17:48<alexissampaiokokorelis[m]>and you cand put the url and press enter and you will have all printers conected in that url
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17:48<CryptoSec>So I have another problem... now my vmware doesn't want to work.... it gives me the following error message "Before you can run VMware, several modules must be compiled and loaded into the running kernel... but at the end I get an error message sending me to the vmware-9892.log https://paste.debian.net/1033336/
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17:48<mohammad>adsl config is ok, because with windows i have not any problem.
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17:49<mnuhmnuh>HumanGeek: generally, that's done by putting all allowed users into a group which has group access to the tool. difficult to do these days.
17:50<mohammad>and i check with hp-setup and setting->printers and localhost:631 but not working.
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17:50<mohammad>printer not detect!!!!
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17:51<mohammad>but with usb i have not any problem and hp-setup detect my printers
17:51<HumanGeek>mnuhmnuh, why ?
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17:53<mnuhmnuh>CryptoSec: Failed to build vmmon. Failed to build vmnet. ?!?
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17:53<CryptoSec>should I uninstall and reinstall vmware?
17:54<mohammad>i test your way and setup printers but not working and not detect printers!!!!
17:54<mnuhmnuh>HumanGeek: parts of program systems lie all over the box in libs and dirs and logs, it gets complex.
17:54<HumanGeek>why they lie ?
17:55<HumanGeek>i have to do that …
17:55<mnuhmnuh>lay, not lie. :-)
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17:56<mohammad>why debian not detect shared printer with adsl?????
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17:57<retrospectacus>HumanGeek: even if you lock down /usr/bin/gcc, a user could just run his own gcc.
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17:57<mnuhmnuh>HumanGeek: when you run a program, you're telling a mere manager to marshall and arrange the system's resources, from kernel and libc through the app's inteface. complex. many entities involved.
17:57<HumanGeek>retrospectacus, no
17:59<mnuhmnuh>HumanGeek: notice how easy this is to do:
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17:59<mnuhmnuh>!ifrp
17:59<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
17:59<CryptoSec>mnuhmnuh: what do you suggest me to do? should I uninstall and reinstall vmeare?
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17:59<mnuhmnuh>what you're worying about is trivial in comparison.
17:59<CryptoSec>mnuhmnuh: what do you suggest me to do? should I uninstall and reinstall vmware?*
18:00<HumanGeek>mnuhmnuh, user can t do that on my system
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18:01<mnuhmnuh>CryptoSec: if it were me, i'd make it work, or find out why. i've never used vmware though.
18:02<retrospectacus>!vmware support
18:02<dpkg>Support for VMware products is not offered here; please go to http://vmware.com/support/ or join #vmware on irc.freenode.net.
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18:05<mohammad>please check this log :
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18:05<mohammad>http://pasted.co/e181e284
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18:05<mnuhmnuh>HumanGeek: my first assign on last job was to break ino their server. i did it, but i didn't use that procedure. consider.
18:07<HumanGeek>which procedure ? the grub one or the gcc one
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18:07<mnuhmnuh>the breaking in one.
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18:08<HumanGeek>mohammad, do you have install hplip ?
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18:08<mohammad>yes i have install hplip
18:09<HumanGeek>by curiosity how you do it ? mnuhmnuh
18:10<mohammad>i dont have problem with usb. but with url i have problem!!!!!
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18:10<mnuhmnuh>there's lots of ways to boot an iso or live image. there's lots of rescue distros on distrowatch.com.
18:10<HumanGeek>your printer has a ip ?
18:11<CryptoSec>ok
18:11<HumanGeek>mnuhmnuh, so you just change boot order ?
18:12<mohammad>no, my printer is p1102, i connect printer and adsl with usb and in config i go to networking and printers and add p1102
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18:13<HumanGeek>mohammad, i never use that, there is some kind of routing on your network ?
18:13<mohammad>then adsl give me a url that by windows i can not have any problem, i dont know why debian not detect my printers.
18:13<mnuhmnuh>HumanGeek: no, just boot what you want, not what's installed. this's why crypto is so important now.you can't secure it, so encrypt it.
18:13<HumanGeek>mnuhmnuh, it’s already encrypt
18:14<HumanGeek>that is never be the point
18:14<HumanGeek>*was
18:14<HumanGeek>i will chack at apparmor and selinux
18:14<HumanGeek>*check
18:15<mohammad>my network have 2 pc and dlink dsl-2750u that connect whith ethernet
18:15<mohammad>one pc is windows that have not any problem.
18:15<mohammad>another one is debian 9.4 net install xfce that not detect my printer
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18:16<mohammad>the url is: http://192.168.1.1:631/printers/Printer
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18:17<mnuhmnuh>mohammad: so, dlink == your router? printer is wifi? or cat5/ethernet plugged in? should work.
18:17<mnuhmnuh>i've used that config in the past.
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18:18<mohammad>printer usb pluged in dlink
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18:18<mnuhmnuh>still should work.
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18:18*abrotman wonders how this is a Debian question ?
18:18<mohammad>and my pc connect to dlink with cat5/ethernet
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18:19<mnuhmnuh>absenta: "debian 9.4 net install xfce that not detect my printer"
18:19<tyspqr>what is the question
18:19<abrotman>but it's an IP-based printer spool?
18:20<mnuhmnuh>meant for abrotman, sorry.
18:20<abrotman>it's okay
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18:22<mohammad>192.168.1.1 is dlink ip and port 631 is for define printer, do you want to screenshot from dlink printer setting????
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18:23<mohammad>screenshot:
18:23<mohammad>http://s8.picofile.com/file/8331552792/Screenshot_2018_07_12_02_52_39.png
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18:24<mnuhmnuh>mohammad: don't you need to go at this via cups wb config gui?
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18:25*mnuhmnuh i hate printers.
18:26<Breadpudding>Hello, sorry if I'm interrupting something but I'm trying to install Debian on an Acer Aspire 3. I've got it to boot but I've only made it as far as GRUB. It's trying to load a file from the hard drive(which doesn't exist by the way) and it keeps crashing due to "secure boot forbids loading of this file". The device I'm booted from(according to GRUB) is USB0 however it's trying to load from HD0. Is there some way to get GRUB to
18:26<Breadpudding>load the system right?
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18:26<tyspqr_>anyone used parrot sec
18:26<mohammad>i test hp-setup and localhost:631 and setting->printers
18:26<retrospectacus>tyspqr_: yes. The people in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org
18:26<mnuhmnuh>!parrot
18:26<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
18:26<mohammad>but not detect or installed but not working!!
18:27<tyspqr_>its debian based thank you though
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18:27<mnuhmnuh>Breadpudding: guessing, you need to fiddle with bios config.
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18:28<Breadpudding>I've fiddled with it just to get GRUB to boot. I've loaded GRUB via secure boot but it's not loading the kernel from the USB and is instead trying to boot from my hard drive(which contains Windows 10 by the way).
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18:29<mtn>Breadpudding: what installer are you using anb how did you make the usb?
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18:30<Breadpudding>mtn: The USB was made on Windows 10 using a program called Etcher(Basically dd for Windows). I used the 64-bit net install ISO.
18:31<mnuhmnuh>good q. why's that doing that (trying to load from HD0)?
18:31<mtn>Breadpudding: which version of debian?
18:32<Breadpudding>A good question indeed. I've peeked at the commands GRUB is running to load the stuff and I can't find anything that's directly telling it to load from HD0 instead of USB0
18:32<Breadpudding>Latest version
18:32<Breadpudding>Just downloaded it yesterday
18:32<abrotman>win32diskimager ?
18:32<Breadpudding>Etcher
18:32<mtn>Breadpudding: I would try again using win32diskimager, which is the recommended burner for windows
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18:33<blast007>Breadpudding: are you able/willing to turn secure boot off?
18:33<Breadpudding>Should I just use dd this time? I no longer have Windows on my PC.
18:33<mtn>Breadpudding: "latest version" means what? stable testing sid???
18:33<Breadpudding>Stable
18:33<mtn>Breadpudding: ok, good. if using linux, just cp the iso to the usb
18:33<Breadpudding>I don't think it's an issue with writing the ISO to be honest, I think it's more of an issue with the linux kernel.
18:34<mohammad>my problem is debian bug or not???
18:34<Breadpudding>Either way, I'll try rewriting the image.
18:34<mnuhmnuh>mohammad: i suspect your prob. is config, of some kind, assuming your hardware is supported. i'd just keep banging my head on it until it falls over.
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18:53<Breadpudding>Just rewrote Debian 9 to the USB and attempted booting again. Failed with the same error: "error: Secure Boot forbids loading module from (hd0)/boot/grub/x86_64-efi/linux.mod."
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18:53<mtn>Breadpudding: did you try turning off secure boot?
18:53<Breadpudding>This is secure boot
18:53<Breadpudding>It won't let me boot from anything other than that
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18:54<mtn>Breadpudding: no other options in the bios?
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18:54<blast007>there's no option to disable it in your UEFI setup utility or boot menu (some Dell systems have it in their F12 menu, not their setup utility)?
18:54<mnuhmnuh>get your mone back.
18:55<mnuhmnuh>get your money back.
18:55<Breadpudding>mtn: There's an option to disable it but it doesn't appear to respect it.
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18:56<blast007>as far as I know, Debian doesn't support secure boot
18:56<Breadpudding>blast007: It works on my Desktop but not on my Laptop. Both support secure boot.
18:57<blast007>support isn't the same as enabled
18:57<mtn>Breadpudding: this may be useful: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=820036
18:57<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/820036 in general (open): «Debian does not run on systems with Secure Boot enabled»; severity: important; opened: 2016-04-04; last modified: 2016-10-22.
18:57<Breadpudding>One thing to note is that on my Desktop I loaded the OS via legacy mode and then booted the regular system from UEFI
18:57<Breadpudding>It seems to be an issue with the installer
18:58<blast007>I guess I would think secure boot being enabled would disable legacy boot
18:58<Breadpudding>And my BIOS doesn't respect my decision to disable it.
18:59<mnuhmnuh>get your money back.
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18:59<iflema>Breadpudding: CSM?
18:59<Breadpudding>Another interesting thing to note is that while GRUB loaded, it didn't load the Debian theme.
18:59<Breadpudding>iflema: CSM?
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19:00<iflema>Breadpudding: look for it and toogle it too
19:00<Breadpudding>iflema: Alright
19:00<iflema>UEFI an CSM
19:00<iflema>and
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19:01<Breadpudding>I do not see anything labeled CSM
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19:02<iflema>look on all the pages...
19:02<Breadpudding>Finally got it to boot from legacy, I needed to enable the F12 menu and enable it from there.
19:02<Breadpudding>I looked on all pages
19:02<iflema>it may not be there just sayig
19:02<Breadpudding>No CSM anywhere
19:02<Breadpudding>How I fixed it was legacy booting via the F12 boot menu
19:03<Breadpudding>For some reason it kept overriding my boot order
19:04<Breadpudding>Thanks for the help.
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19:17<mnuhmnuh>like pullin' teethe some times. :-P
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19:46<mnuhmnuh>vlc &
19:46*mnuhmnuh haha.
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20:23<mnuhmnuh>fluxbox users, where do i go to learn how to tweak fluxbox? update-menus has never worked for me. suggest?
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20:36<awal1>man fluxbox
20:37<awal1>1st step
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20:43<mnuhmnuh>wiki.debian.org/fluxbox to start.
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20:49<mnuhmnuh>i have /usr/bin/fbsetbg -f blah.x in ~/.Xclients, sourced by ~/.fluxbox/startup, but that gets clobbered by fbsetbg, or something. i se it, then it's gone, over-ridden.
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20:52<jalt>Hi, is there a way to make apt-get show only warnings/errors? apt-get install -qq -o=Dpkg::Use-Pty=0 <packages> does not work, as the underlying dpkg emits a ton of setting up, packing, unpacking etc. messages.
20:53<mnuhmnuh>trying "exec startfluxbox" over mere "fluxbox" now.
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21:09<mnuhmnuh>that did not go well.
21:11<mnuhmnuh>i got a psychotic fluxbox with no controls on very worried app windows. ick.
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21:15<mnuhmnuh>... and an even more freaked out firefox-esr.
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21:22<mnuhmnuh>and now no sound. :-|
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21:24<mnuhmnuh>rasafrackin', jiggafriggerin', KROSHNIT! :-|
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22:15<CryptoSec>I'm having some vmware problem in debian v9 I was wondering if there's anyone that can help me out
22:16<CryptoSec>I'm having some vmware problem in debian v9 I was wondering if there's anyone that can help me out?
22:17<CryptoSec>I searched Google and looked at the logs and I'm not able to make any sense of it....
22:17<CryptoSec>or how I can go ahead and fix the issue?
22:18<CryptoSec>any help will be greatly appreciated....
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22:19<CryptoSec>I had this same issue long time ago... I all i did is to installed/uninstalled vmware version 10 couple of time before going back to vmware workstation 12... for some reason that fixed the issue...
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22:21<mnuhmnuh>i tried using "exec startfluxbox", it failed horribly, went back to plain "exec fluxbox", now no sound anywhere. wtf? i hate flakey.
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22:21<mnuhmnuh>damn.
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22:22<keycollector>I dont have experience with vmware. But is this something you could run on KVM? KVM is better intergrated with the kernel for better performance.
22:22<keycollector>Whats the error your getting?
22:23<CryptoSec>and during the startup I get " [FAILED] Failed to start LSB: This service starts and stops VMware services. See 'systemctl status vmware.service' for more details "
22:23<CryptoSec>the log and error message is here: https://paste.debian.net/1033350/
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22:28<keycollector>try "cp /usr/include/linux/version.h /lib/modules/4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64/build/include/linux/"
22:28<keycollector>should fix "Failed to find /lib/modules/4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64/build/include/linux/version.h"
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22:31<CryptoSec>I tried that but it gave me this error message: https://paste.debian.net/1033352/
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22:47<mnuhmnuh>CryptoSec: "uname -a"
22:47<CryptoSec>Linux debian 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.16.16-2~bpo9+1 (2018-06-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux
22:48<mnuhmnuh>arr.
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22:48<CryptoSec>what's "arr" ?
22:48<CryptoSec>alright ?
22:49<mnuhmnuh>can't copy a file to a dir that don't exist. feature.
22:49<mnuhmnuh>arr == wtf?
22:50<mnuhmnuh>thimk, thimk, thimk, ...
22:50<mnuhmnuh>[sic]
22:51<CryptoSec>I mean I tried anything that i could.... that I can understand... I'm out of options...
22:52<sarnold>note that /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build is supposed to be a symlink to where the headers are stored, for the built kernel
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22:56<mnuhmnuh>!vmware
22:56<dpkg>VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware #vmware on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>.
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22:58<CryptoSec>link for the modules that are in that folder: https://paste.debian.net/1033353/
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23:09<mnuhmnuh>CryptoSec: i think you're best options are diving into http://wiki.debian.org/VMware and #vmware on irc.freenode.net
23:10<mnuhmnuh>your
23:10<CryptoSec>ya I've logged into that channel right now..
23:11<CryptoSec>I mean worse case I'll use virtualbox....
23:11<CryptoSec>that's my main VM
23:11<CryptoSec>If I really need vmware
23:11<CryptoSec>I'll install vmware player
23:12<mnuhmnuh>freenode has a #debian too, fwiw, higher traffic.
23:17<CryptoSec>uninstalled vmware brb
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23:30<mnuhmnuh>does sound have anything to do with NetworkManager.service, ModemManager.service, or NetworkManager-wait-online.service?
23:31<mnuhmnuh>i disabled them; only thing i can think of that i changed.
23:32*mnuhmnuh grumble, mumble, ...
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23:34*mnuhmnuh fsck it.
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23:55<mnuhmnuh>so, what did "exec startfluxbox" do that killed all sound, and how to re-enable? grr. moan.
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