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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-07-12

---Logopened Thu Jul 12 00:00:31 2018
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01:22<grawity>does startfluxbox start its own X server?
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01:27<jm_>man page says «startfluxbox should be started from your ~/.xinitrc if you use startx, or ~/.xsession if you run a display manager, like xdm.» so probably not?
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07:14<grummund>Hi, i'd like to use gpg-agent to cache svn passwords, and it works if "gpg-agent --daemon" is run manually (which then persists until reboot).
07:15<grummund>looking for the Debian Way, it says in /usr/share/doc/gnupg-agent/README.Debian :-
07:15<grummund>"Since 2.1.17, users on machines with systemd will have their gpg-agent process launched automatically by systemd's user session, upon first access of any of the expected gpg-agent sockets ..."
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07:17<petn-randall>yay to systemd! \o/
07:17<grummund>however, that's not the case here, at least... what should i do to have gpg-agent running as daemon?
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07:19<grummund>btw, this is on a remote box with only ssh access.
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07:21<grawity>the above is managed by systemd --user, which is started as user@<uid>.service upon login by pam_systemd
07:23<grawity>if that's not running, figure out why; maybe your PAM configuration has pam_systemd ripped out
07:23<grawity>if it *is* running, check `systemctl --user`
07:24<grummund># systemctl --user
07:24<grummund>Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory
07:24<grawity>also "on login" does not include su
07:24<grummund>or sudo?
07:24<grawity>that's also not a login
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07:25<grawity>that said, you can run `loginctl enable-linger root` to make root *always* have a systemd --user instance
07:25<petn-randall>grummund: You probably need dbus and PAM enabled in ssh.
07:25<grummund>root ssh login is disallowed, and it's root user that wants gpg-agent daemon running.
07:26<petn-randall>Ah, that's tricky then.
07:26<grawity>it's not
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07:45<arto>same here, on local box
07:46<arto>same here, on local Debian, #systemctl --user; Failed to connect to bus. No such file or directory
07:46<grummund>both the normal user and root have /lib/systemd/systemd --user process running
07:46<arto>same here, local Debian, #systemctl --user, Failed to connect to but: no such file or directory
07:47<arto>same here, local Debian
07:47<arto>
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07:48<arto>§§§
07:50<grummund>where should the config for "user@<uid>.service" be found?
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07:52<petn-randall>grummund: It's likely in the file "user@.service" wherever systemd keeps those again.
07:53<arto>sorry, just learning irssi :)
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07:55<grummund>petn-randall: just trying to validate that claim in /usr/share/doc/gnupg-agent/README.Debian to start with...
07:57*grummund found these: /usr/lib/systemd/user/gpg-agent-*
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08:02<jm_>you should see it in «systemctl list-units» output
08:03<jm_>but off now
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10:19<rodan__>why my debian gnome hangs a little while surfing the internet using firefox-esr
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10:32<GyrosGeier>rodan__, out of memory?
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10:32<GyrosGeier>both GNOME and Firefox use lots of it
10:32<GyrosGeier>so the one you don't use gets swapped out
10:32<GyrosGeier>then when you switch windows, the OS needs to swap it back in
10:33<GyrosGeier>because X tells hidden programs that they shouldn't bother drawing anything, and good software then doesn't bother updating
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10:34<GyrosGeier>there is a famous article from Raymond Chen on the clock in the Windows taskbar, where they basically set a timer for the beginning of the next minute, and the timer routine just tells the OS "the clock should be redrawn"
10:34<GyrosGeier>then if it is currently shown, the OS will poke the clock process to redraw the clock, and at the end of the redraw, it sets up a new timer
10:35<GyrosGeier>so if the clock is obscured, the clock process is never activated, so no CPU and memory is wasted on it
10:35<GyrosGeier>the same basically happens here
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10:37<GyrosGeier>and the OS repurposes the memory the inactive processes used for something else
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10:41<rodan__>no bro the ram usage is 1.7gb/5.9gb
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10:47<petn-randall>rodan__: How are you measuring?
10:48<petn-randall>!best
10:48<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
10:48<petn-randall>rodan__: ^^^
10:49<rodan__>using htop
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10:51<rodan__>annadane are you there?
10:52<rodan__>arto??
10:52<petn-randall>rodan__: It helps if you ask your actual support question instead of pinging random users in the channel.
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10:53<rodan__>then plz reply my msg
10:53<arto>rodan__: i'm here, but you are been helped
10:53<petn-randall>!hurry
10:53<dpkg>rumour has it, hurry is Please be patient, we're all just fellow users, mostly with other things going on.
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10:54<blast007>your question is also vague and subjective
10:54<rodan__>arto iam facing little lag while surfing the browser ,mostly with firefox how to get rid of that..
10:54<petn-randall>rodan__: How much lag are we talking about?
10:55<rodan__>like it takes a little time to respond the click and the letters appears slow after typing
10:55<rodan__>is this problem with the desktop environment issues or something?
10:55<arto>rodan__: you can try lighter browser, for example qupzilla, any difference. And as petn-randall said, there is no point pointing questions to someone
10:55<blast007>what processor/GPU is in the computer?
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10:56<rodan__>i3 3rd gen and gpu intel 4000
10:56<blast007>only certain browsers (firefox-esr and chromium?) get security updates
10:56<arto>qupzilla is in debian repo
10:56<arto>as many others
10:57<blast007>sure, but I wasn't implying that they weren't in the repo
10:57<petn-randall>rodan__: Which OS release are you running?
10:58<petn-randall>rodan__: Run `apt-cache policy` and put the output to https://paste.debian.net.
10:58<rodan__>debian stretch (stable) 9.4 with gnome 3.22.1
10:58<arto>blast007: I'd said only browser you can install by apt get security updates
10:58<dragon12>hello
10:58<rodan__>is it safe to use qupzilla as daily driver?will it collect my data or not?
10:59<blast007>arto: somiaj said before that only firefox-esr and chromium get security updates and that "all the smaller webkit browsers don't have any security support, and there are probably security flaws in the underlaying webkit libaries"
10:59<arto>qupzilla is light, not as rich in features as firefox
10:59<dragon12>is auth_basic enough for securing development environment?
11:00<petn-randall>dragon12: Pretty vague question. Depends on what you're securing it from, and what you plan on securing.
11:00<petn-randall>dragon12: ... and also where it's accessible from.
11:01<arto>blast007: ok. I admit I did know that, thangs for bringig up, for you and somiaj
11:01<dragon12>petn-randall, i want to secure from unprivileged persons watching errors during development
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11:01<arto>* did not know
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11:01<dragon12>in development environment i will test python web apps
11:01<rodan__>arto,will using firefox quantum solves my problem?
11:02<arto>rodan__: try, I can't tell
11:02<blast007>arto: here's more info on that from the release notes: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security
11:02<petn-randall>dragon12: And the other two questions?
11:03<arto>rodan__: you could also start firefox from shell (bash), and see if there are any errors
11:03<petn-randall>dragon12: Is it accessible from the internet?
11:03<dragon12>petn-randall, yes
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11:03<petn-randall>dragon12: Then just make sure it's password is good enough. Is the data there critical (keys/passwords/etc) when accessed?
11:04<arto>dragon12: behing nat?
11:04<arto>behind
11:04<dragon12>arto, on vps
11:04<arto>vps has pretty good security
11:04<dragon12>petn-randall, yes, mainly stack traces, development errors etc.
11:04<rodan__>what do you mean by firefox from shell?
11:05<petn-randall>rodan__: Open a terminal and type 'firefox'.
11:05<arto>rodan__: open terminal, run: firefox
11:05<rodan__>i already did it no change
11:06<rodan__>ok thanks now iam going with chromium browser it works like champ
11:06<arto>rodan__: by testing othre browser, you could say if the lag is local or in the net
11:07<rodan__>yes arto bro chrome works fluently
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11:07<rodan__>its only with firefox esr
11:07<arto>rodan__: try some speed test web page
11:07<arto>there is also a cli app for that
11:07<rodan__>what cli app?
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11:08<rodan__>can you please explain arto?
11:08<blast007>you could also try the upstream stable firefox instead of the ESR. the latest stable firefox has a *lot* of performance improvements. I just have their package extracted to my home directory so that it can auto update.
11:08<arto>rodan__: speedtest-cli
11:08<arto>rodan__: just a bit more patience
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11:10<rodan__>arto,download 3.62 Mbit/s and upload 0.40 Mbit/s
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11:11<arto>rodan__: it varies a lot if you try many times, but that's one possibility for the lag you are feel
11:11<arto>ing
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11:12<arto>rodan__: it the page has lot of grahics, or other heavy stuff
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11:13<rodan__>it's youtube streaming at 480p
11:13<arto>rodan__: ADSL?
11:13<rodan__>yes
11:14<arto>rodan__: lag is much subjective
11:14<arto>but if chromium works fine, use that
11:15<rodan__>yes it is working fine,i've just tested it now.thanks bro for your support.i'll come when some problem arises.bye
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11:33<shreyansh_k>Hi, what is the last working version of debian's testing install disks?
11:33<petn-randall>shreyansh_k: Weird question since the current ones work.
11:34<shreyansh_k>with today's build (debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso) but I keep "the attempt to mount a filesystem with type ext4 is SCSI1(0,0,0) partition #1 (sda) at / failed. I read it has to do something with "linux migrations" on debian.
11:34<petn-randall>shreyansh_k: What are "linux migrations" supposed to be?
11:35<shreyansh_k>petn-randall: I also get the error: "the current kernel doesn't support the Logical Volume Manager". you may need to load the lvm-mod module."
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11:36<shreyansh_k>petn-randall: Something like this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=772702 but the suggested workaround is not working.
11:36<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/772702 in installation-reports (closed): «installation-reports: fails to mount ext4 after partitioning»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-12-10; last modified: 2015-01-08.
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11:37<petn-randall>shreyansh_k: That bugs report is old, but it might be due to some kernel packages migrating to testing. What is your goal here? To install testing?
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11:38<shreyansh_k>petn-randall: I'm trying to install debian testing on VBox (5.2.14). The md5sum of ISO file is: 2e2c7e1515ad7661c8fabb19da646068. I checked it's validity here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/current/amd64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS
11:38<petn-randall>!testing installer
11:38<dpkg>Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
11:38<shreyansh_k>petn-randall: Yes!
11:38<petn-randall>shreyansh_k: See above ^^^
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11:39<shreyansh_k>petn-randall: Oh! I see. Okay. Thank you.
11:39<shreyansh_k>petn-randall: I'll try with this.
11:39<petn-randall>shreyansh_k: You're welcome. If you wait a week or two the testing installer might work again.
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11:41<shreyansh_k>!stable->testing
11:41<shreyansh_k>!testing stable->testing
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11:42<shreyansh_k>petn-randall: How do I exactly ask the bot about the stable->testing procedure?
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11:44<petn-randall>dpkg: stable->testing
11:44<dpkg>Don't run Debian "testing" just after a release unless you like helping fix bugs. Testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. If you feel you need instructions on how to upgrade, you should wait a while.
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11:44<petn-randall>dpkg: testing
11:44<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical!
11:45<petn-randall>shreyansh_k: Not sure why !stable->testing didn't work, maybe the bot had a hiccup.
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11:47<shreyansh_k>petn-randall: Oh! okay. Where else can I find that info?
11:47<petn-randall>shreyansh_k: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting
11:48<petn-randall>shreyansh_k: I'd only use it if you want to actually test things there, it's not ready for production use.
11:48<petn-randall>Also testing does not get timely security support.
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11:48<shreyansh_k>petn-randall: I understand. I'm only trying to test stuff.
11:48<petn-randall>roger that
11:49<shreyansh_k>petn-randall: I'm already on that page, in the "How to upgrade to Debian (next-stable) Testing" section.
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11:50<shreyansh_k>petn-randall: It suggest s/stable/testing but my /etc/apt/sources.list files doesn't have an occurance of "stable".
11:51<shreyansh_k>petn-randall: I installed debian-9.4.0-amd64.netinst.iso file.
11:52<petn-randall>shreyansh_k: The replace "stretch" with "buster".
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11:54<shreyansh_k>petn-randall: Oh! cool.
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12:13<gik>Hi! Trying to create debian-way custom apt repository for my own packages. Use apt-ftparchive. But client machhine can't download any package, apt don't want download even Packages file. Please help. Some logs: https://pastebin.com/1J27ZhJe
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12:18<petn-randall>gik: I'd use something like mini-dinstall to generate it, there are more steps involved than
12:18<petn-randall>just running apt-ftp-archive.
12:20<gik>For first i try mini-dinstall, but it not support custom settings. Now i generate temp repo with mini-dinstall, then rsync *dep to main repo, then generate apt-ftparchive.
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12:21<gik>but i think problem with sime releases, sutes, distributions etc. Why apt on client does not get Packages file? It confirmed on web-server log.. Only Release/InRelease and then do nothing. No errors etc...
12:24<gik>*.deb package is ok, download and install manually with success
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14:17<mnuhmnuh>grawity: we've a choice between startfluxbox and plain fluxbox, exec'd in ~/.fluxbox/startup (which sources my ~/.Xclients script firing up all else).
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14:40<retrospectacus>benko: nice work at the world cup
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14:42<benko>thank you, last night was crazy
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17:02<Sleaker>hello, I'm working on creating a preseeded stretch ISO. and I've got it working partitioning, install base system etc. but when I try to adjust the tasksel that gets installed or add in pkgsel/include values they don't seem to be getting used.
17:03<Sleaker>I've previously done this with an ubuntu disc, and had no problems. And it didn't look like d-i had the options changed. if I try to use debconf-get-selections --installer, the tasksel/first only ever gets listed as standard, and pkgsel/include is blank
17:05<Sleaker>tasksel/desktop and tasksel/tasks don't seem to work either.
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17:06<Sleaker>any ideas on how to get it working, or any known issues with pkgsel/tasksel currently?
17:08<Brigo>Sleaker, there is a debian-installer channel
17:09<Sleaker>ahh I was in the wrong one earlier.
17:09<Sleaker>will try in debian-boot, thanks
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19:54<mnuhmnuh>welcome.
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20:06<Nora>i have no idea what I'm doing. I'm trying to dual boot windows 10 and debian. I installed from usb and during installation Grub did not find any other OS. I have tried both, don't write and write options but i cannot get my computer to load debian at all. I tried installing from live version and full. both multiple times. I've tried legacy, uefi, holding down various buttons during load, i
20:06<Nora>never get the grub loader screen. Any tips? i tried boot-repair but wasn't able to actually run it
20:07<petn-randall>Nora: The only real tripwire is that whatever mode you used to install Windows 10 (UEFI or legacy BIOS), you *must* also use when installing Debian. That means you also need to boot the installer in that mode.
20:07<petn-randall>Nora: In which mode did you install Windows 10?
20:08<Nora>it was pre-installed
20:08<petn-randall>Nora: What are the setting in the BIOS setup then?
20:09<Nora>petn-randall, well its currently back at legacy. Cant be sure thats what it started with as i have previously used tails and may have changed that setting when i used that
20:10<Nora>i have tried installing with bios in legacy and bios in uefi
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20:11<petn-randall>Nora: Windows 10 should be able to boot in one of the modes.
20:12<Nora>in ONLY one?
20:12<petn-randall>Nora: Windows 10 should *not* be able to boot in one of the modes.
20:12<petn-randall>Unless you tell me it boots fine in both modes, then I'd be confused.
20:12<Nora>thats what i was going to tell you but i'm confused now
20:12<Nora>lol, thats NOT supposed to happen?
20:13<petn-randall>Hmm, interesting. Not that I know of.
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20:13<petn-randall>Nora: In that case, I'd set it to UEFI only, and see if it boot fine.
20:14<petn-randall>Nora: There's usually a setting like "UEFI/legacy mode", and to make things more confusing one called "CSM enabled". It must be on "UEFI only" and "CSM mode" must be disabled.
20:14<petn-randall>If Windows boots fine with those settings, we're good to go.
20:14<Nora>csm = legacy? I'm 90% sure there is no CSM in my bios options
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20:17<petn-randall>UEFI mode + CSM is a mix of both, which never really worked for me. I think it tries to boot UEFI, and then falls back to legacy.
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20:17<Nora>ok!, thanks a lot for the advice. I'll go try it again.
20:18<Nora>hopefully i wont be back in like 5 minutes
20:18<petn-randall>Nora: I'd double-check because it can bite you later. Because f you boot in legacy mode, you cannot access the EFI system partition (this is by design to protect legacy OSes from breaking the UEFI boot process)
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20:18<Nora>ok
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20:19<lessthan0>Compatibility Support Module/Mode
20:20<lessthan0>CSM was invented for UEFI systems that could flip back and forth during an interactive bios hand off
20:20<lessthan0>bios bootloader bios bootloader
20:21<lessthan0>this means UEFI + CSM you have absolutely no idea how your computer works making it very difficult to understand or fix
20:21<lessthan0>the flow chart can look like anything and it changes depending on the bios the bootloader the bios config the bootloader config the attached hardware and user input
20:22<petn-randall>lessthan0: I know. Nora isn't here to read that, though.
20:22<lessthan0>woops sorry
20:23<mnuhmnuh>wrt debian isos, does "toram" on the grub commandline do what i expect; slurp it all in and run from ram at ram speed?
20:24<lessthan0>I have a motherboard that will let me choose CSM on or disabled in EFI only mode hmmmm
20:24<lessthan0>really weird
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20:24<petn-randall>lessthan0: That's how it's supposed to be.
20:24<petn-randall>mnuhmnuh: Does it offer that option? If yes, it will do just that.
20:24<lessthan0>nah CSM only adds EFI to UEFI
20:25<lessthan0>so EFI + CSM is like asking me if I would prefer EFI or EFI
20:25<mnuhmnuh>does live offer it?
20:25<petn-randall>lessthan0: That's not true. Not even wikipedia agress with you.
20:25<petn-randall>lessthan0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#CSM_booting
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20:27<lessthan0>To ensure backward compatibility, most UEFI firmware implementations on PC-class machines also support booting in legacy BIOS mode from MBR-partitioned disks, through the Compatibility Support Module (CSM)
20:28<lessthan0>it really depends what you mean by MBR
20:28<lessthan0>MBR partition table or MBR boot record
20:29<lessthan0>and if all CSM does is ass legacy to UEFI then CSM = EFI
20:29<lessthan0>EFI = legacy
20:31<lessthan0>ok I was wrong but the difference is so minor and obscure
20:31<lessthan0>CSM + UEFI enables EFI option roms to be loaded in UEFI
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20:32<lessthan0>and enables EFI booting of MBR+GPT on UEFI systems
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20:32<lessthan0>this was never possible on pure EFI systems since there was no support for MBR-GPT
20:33<lessthan0>and likely still would not be possible if you are in EFI only with CSM disabled
20:33<lessthan0>but these are like some super rare use cases honestly
20:35<lessthan0>EFI-MBR-GPT is like hi I'm a mac
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20:37<Nora>Hello
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20:41<lessthan0>Nora you back
20:41<lessthan0>I can help
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20:45<mnuhmnuh>does stretch live's grub offer "toram"?
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20:47<lessthan0>I don't know
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20:48<lessthan0>I was looking at a script that does booting busybox to ram on a running system so you can format and install without rebooting
20:48<lessthan0>but I am note done reading all the sources and man pages so I just never tried yet
20:50<mnuhmnuh>i've used it in the past, just don't know if live is configged to enable it.
20:50<mnuhmnuh>i'll report back when i can try it.
20:51<lessthan0>I did not even try live but I did use the deb 9.4 x86 64 installer in both UEFI and EFI intel. also EFI AMD.
20:51<lessthan0>the rescue shell from the installer is busybox
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20:52<lessthan0>the installer is .deb
20:52<lessthan0>if you can work with that then should be easy to modify the installer. maybe pre-load your tools as .deb and scripts that run on busybox
20:54<lessthan0>if you know how to boot the kernel from busybox shell then you can setup ram disk
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20:56<mnuhmnuh>you're assuming far more ambition on my part than is here. i'm just wondering about boot options on debian's live cd. thanks anywway; educational. :-)
20:56<lessthan0>I got a motherboard that can only select the boot sata by swapping the two sata cables
20:56<debbbby>can someone tell me what causes this error http://imgur.com/gallery/OZ9VhEK
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20:56<lessthan0>no boot order in the bios setup
20:56<debbbby>I get this Everytime I boot
20:57<lessthan0>at least I can select the boot order though
20:57<iflema>debbbby: sata3 drive plugged into sata2 port?
20:57<debbbby>this install has been good for almost two years than this happened
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20:57<iflema>cable?
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20:58<debbbby>iflema but when I decrypt from a live cr everything decrypts just fine
20:58<iflema>and?
20:59<debbbby>it's on a laptop
20:59<mnuhmnuh>selecting boot device on my system is pretty grotty too. f12, or ESC, or ...
20:59<debbbby>I have not touched any hardware
21:00<iflema>im fresh out of ideas
21:00<lessthan0>is that a dirty disk error?
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21:00<lessthan0>that can happen on power loss with exfat
21:01<lessthan0>not sure if that is your problem but I have seen it
21:01<sarnold>swap in a new hard drive?
21:01<iflema>stopjob... lol
21:01<lessthan0>status { DRDY }
21:01<debbbby>drdy err
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21:01<debbbby>error unc
21:01<sarnold>it *might8 be a busted controller or cable or dying power supply, but dying hard drive feels most likely.
21:02<lessthan0>first it says DRDY then it says DRDY ERR
21:02<lessthan0>disk did not shutdown cleanly
21:02<lessthan0>I think maybe
21:02<lessthan0>maybe I'm guessing
21:02<debbbby>how do I troubleshoot ?
21:03<lessthan0>I fixed it by mounting and unmounting
21:03<sarnold>replace harddrive, see how well it works
21:03<iflema>ive seen similar pluggin a sata3 drive into a old motherboard with out thinking
21:03<lessthan0>then loading fdisk or parted then unloaded fdisk or parted without actually doing anything
21:03<lessthan0>then it worked
21:03<lessthan0>but I didn't actually do anything
21:03<lessthan0>never did any writes
21:04<lessthan0>only looked at it, mounted, unmounted. rebooted
21:04<mnuhmnuh>detecto-magic, new from linus.
21:04<mnuhmnuh>wakes up the dead.
21:05<lessthan0>did you hear about the hard drive in the freezer?
21:05<lessthan0>they say its bad but it is a meme
21:05<lessthan0>heavy debate on the freezer method
21:05<sarnold>good way to get condensation all over the thing
21:05<lessthan0>I am a fan of unplugging things for 5 mins
21:05<iflema>have you heard the one about a oven
21:05<debbbby>I tried that already
21:06<sarnold>I've heard it can be reasonable but it's very much last-ditch effort
21:06<lessthan0>let the caps discharge
21:06<lessthan0>also removes the dust and tin whiskers from the gold contacts
21:06<lessthan0>through mechanical wear
21:07<blast007>if the drive is still readable and you have anything important on it, try to copy off what you can (starting with the most important)
21:07<lessthan0>did you unplug the sata and sata power or just the laptop charger?
21:07<mnuhmnuh>... in an otherwise disposable computer, one hopes.
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22:27<CryptoSec>is there a command that i can enter that would give me a list of desktop environments that I have installed in my debian... like gnome, kde and etc...
22:30<sarnold>CryptoSec: guessing, try ls /usr/share/xsessions/
22:31<sarnold>apt-file search /usr/share/xsessions/ --- sure looks promising, anyway :)
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22:57<mnuhmnuh>debian live is pretty slick these days. :-) is there a dummie's guide for it anywhere? been throught the faq.
22:58<lessthan0>the debian manual is online
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22:58<lessthan0>but I just read linux tutorials mostly
22:59<sarnold>mnuhmnuh: .. and the toram thing?
22:59<mnuhmnuh>lessthan0: i'm thinking of specific basics. when the screen gets locked, what's pword? minutia.
23:00<lessthan0>you created a password when you installed linux
23:00<lessthan0>or is it live?
23:00<mnuhmnuh>no, found no way to input toram. works just as well running from usbkey.
23:00<lessthan0>google debian live default password
23:01<lessthan0>it might not be toram
23:01<lessthan0>there are initrd and initramfs
23:01<lessthan0>read about it
23:01<mnuhmnuh>i have stretch installed; just running live to look at it. nice.
23:02<mnuhmnuh>re toram, i just found no way to edit the grub commandline.
23:02<lessthan0>I installed two different ways so I could have all the utils I need to fix the other install without mounting it
23:02<sarnold>^X or ^E or something?
23:02<lessthan0>grub.conf maybe
23:03<sarnold>oh well. it's *really* unlikely someone would need to re-use the usb port / usb stick while in a live session..
23:03<lessthan0>make another item it will show in the grub menu
23:03<lessthan0>increase the time to 60 seconds
23:04<lessthan0>you can just install to another usb stick
23:04<lessthan0>that is what I did for a long time
23:04<mnuhmnuh>it wasn't necessary after all. runs slick. what you want's not there? sudo apt-get install $it
23:06<mnuhmnuh>sarnold: was that sarcasm? have you seen what conn. ports are supplied by mfgrs lately? you're supposed to use wifi instead.
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23:07<sarnold>mnuhmnuh: nah, just thinking that most folks wouldn't have a second cd-rom they'd want to use, and there's probably two or more USB ports on a machine..
23:07<sarnold>mnuhmnuh: also: ewwwwwww. I'm not sure I could seriously consider a machine without wired networking.
23:08<mnuhmnuh>mfgrs will change that tomorrow once they hear of it.
23:08<sarnold>I was going to say "lenovo won't take that away from us!" but .. they took away the 4:3 screens..
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23:15<lessthan0>no tape drive 4 u!
23:15<lessthan0>irqdmacom2lpt1
23:16<lessthan0>updownupdownababstart
23:16<mnuhmnuh>lessthan0: check medications.
23:17<lessthan0>you know when you have an infant that is tired and they start acting liked shit heads then 2 seconds later they are out cold?
23:17<mnuhmnuh>needed a nap.
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23:18<lessthan0>thats me before bed time low blood sugar and all
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23:18<mnuhmnuh>more coffee.
23:18<lessthan0>I drank 5 cups of coffee in 2 hours
23:18<lessthan0>and sugar
23:19<lessthan0>now I'm crashing hard
23:19<lessthan0>I don't drink or smoke so sleep is a challenge
23:20<mnuhmnuh>i survived a four day perl hack while co-habiting with klingons (convention). and it worked.
23:20<lessthan0>perl with honor!
23:21<mnuhmnuh>hoorah!
23:21<sarnold>qapla!
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23:22<lessthan0>first you must kill a t-rex with a butter knife before you are a man
23:22<lessthan0>it is tradition
23:22<mnuhmnuh>nuke it from orbit. only way to be sure.
23:22<lessthan0>there is no honor in that
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23:23<lessthan0>http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Rite_of_Ascension
23:25<lessthan0>Dishonorable Killings
23:25<lessthan0>Klingon belief holds that an individual should show his face to an enemy when he or she kills them. To kill an individual from behind, with poison or with one's face concealed is considered dishonorable. The individual shows his or her face so that the dying warrior will know who to curse.
23:25<lessthan0>about klingons using nukes
23:25<lessthan0>theoretically it would be dishonerable
23:29<mnuhmnuh>go to bed lessthan0, i doubt klingons are on topic in here.
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23:47<keycollector>Is there documentation on creating Post-Instalation scripts (for installs, not packages) and configuration to have partitioning set up ahead of time for a install? I need to install debian on alot of machines.
23:48<razer>Has anyone had problems with Firefox not being able to scroll? I've had that problem. I'm using 60.1.0.esr
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23:50<keycollector>60.1.0esr is from experimental, if you wanted firefox Quantum, you should have grabbed it from Buster (testing). Im using it without a problem from buster.
23:51<keycollector>Packages is firefox, not firefox-esr however.
23:51<razer>keycollector, I'm running stable with backports. I wonder if it is doing that because of it being a packport.
23:51<razer>I did a search and people have reported problems with firefox not scrolling in past years as well. I think it is any OS.
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23:52<razer>It was doing it on YouTube pages when I saw it.
23:52<razer>keycollector, Actually I just remembered. I downloaded FireFox from Mozilla's website.
23:52<razer>I did not install it with a package. Just a portable executable.
23:53<razer>I'm using the latest Nvidia drivers from backports.
23:53<keycollector>Should install it from a package, from buster repo.
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23:57<razer>Ok, I think I thought it would be bad to mix distros with pinning that wasn't backports.
23:57<keycollector>razer, i was mistaken, i pulled it from sid. But still, its not experimental.
23:57<razer>I've seen self contained executables run well before. Though I think I compiled those.
23:57<razer>Ok, sid makes more sense. I don't hear about experimental much.
23:58<razer>I wonder if a flatpak would not have the problems of a portable executable, but Mozilla doesn't distribute it that way.
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23:59<keycollector>Im a freak about installations, but i would never install software not wrapped in a deb package directly to my system. Especially firefox, which is already prepackaged. Makes a unclean system.
23:59<razer>keycollector, Ah, so you run it too. I think stable will be getting Quantum in September when the next esr point release comes out.
23:59<keycollector>Also not taken advantage of all the auditing the debian team is doing on these packages.
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