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00:02<mtcdood>Hi, I've got a mail provider that will refuse attempts to relay mail (I'm using ssmtp) if the hostname isn't exactly my hostname in their configuration. So I've got mtcdood@mydomain.tld and a server with hostname mtcd001.mydomain.tld and the full three bits are being used, when I can only successfully relay with mydomain.tl
00:03<mtcdood>I can use "-aFrom:mtcdood@mydomain.tld" with the mail command but how do I get cron to use the correct domain name instead of the full hostname?
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00:27<lessthan0>hi room
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00:31<mtcdood>sSMTP issue resolved by disabling FromLineOverride
00:31<mtcdood>didn't realize that was doing what it was doing
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00:49<beleg>Hey guys, why is Gnome considered so much better than KDE, that it's a default in so many distros including Debian? Is there a technical reason i'm not aware of. Been trying out both (trying to decide pemanently) and while boht have pros and cons, kde seems more flexible an modular. is there something else that makes gnome a better choice?
00:51<drakonis>that's some flame bait yo
00:51<drakonis>its different strokes for different people
00:51<drakonis>gnome's akin to using mac and kde to windows
00:51<drakonis>so to say
00:51<drakonis>in their default form
00:52<beleg>disclaimer: not meant as flame bait
00:52<drakonis>kde is very flexible
00:52<beleg>I just look, and for instance, the system settings in KDE are insane and in gnome very basic
00:52<drakonis>think of it as a "mac vs windows" choice here
00:53<drakonis>stylistically
00:53<beleg>yet gnome is default in pretty much every enterprise distro (thought SLE wont be on that bandwagon considering opensuse is major in kde)
00:53<drakonis>that's irrelevant
00:53<beleg>so i thought there must be a technical reason
00:53<beleg>beyond my knowledge
00:53<drakonis>every enterprise distro?
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00:54<beleg>well, formally enterprise and most used: rhel, centos, debian, suse linx enterprise, debian and ubuntu
00:54<lessthan0>I think that if you are not going to change a whole lot then gnome is just better
00:54<lessthan0>it is more standard now
00:54<lessthan0>neither of them is to blame when things break
00:54<lessthan0>this was the distro makers releasing stuff that was not finished.
00:55<drakonis>gnome is solid because there's pretty much no knobs
00:55<drakonis>it just works
00:55<lessthan0>yeah and I think a lot of that was pushed in that direction when ubuntu went back to gnome
00:56<lessthan0>when they dropped unity they still has all that investment money
00:56<lessthan0>a lot of the bug fixes went upstream and then down to debian
00:57<drakonis>then there's kde
00:57<drakonis>you typed debian twice fyi
00:57<drakonis>rhel and centos are effectively the same thing
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01:00<beleg>it's twice as good as the rest :D
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01:00<beleg>no, no biggie, just wanted to ask if there's an underlying reason not known to us mortals :D
01:01<beleg>otherwise, i must say that plasma on stretch works just stellar
01:07<drakonis>i don't think there's any specific reason
01:08<drakonis>i suppose rhel uses it because gnome is sponsored by red hat and it doesn't require lots of storage space
01:08<drakonis>suse sponsors kde, so they run it by default
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01:09<drakonis>but that's probably not true to raelity
01:09<drakonis>reality
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01:12<beleg>i also hought tere might be something in kde not owning qt
01:12<beleg>as is with gtk and gnome
01:15<drakonis>it doesn't own qt, yes
01:16<drakonis>qt isn't going away anytime soon however
01:16<drakonis>its strong in the industry
01:18<lessthan0>I thought someone mentioned a new DE based on QT
01:18<lessthan0>forgot the name
01:18<drakonis>budgie?
01:18<lessthan0>it is the new hot shit low on resources
01:18<drakonis>they were rewriting
01:18<lessthan0>I can't remember
01:18<lessthan0>its new just came out
01:19<drakonis>although i wouldn't bet on that horse given the bus factor of one
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01:21<drakonis>apparently kde has lots of crossver with qt other than using it
01:21<drakonis>ie: kde developers also develop qt
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01:22<lessthan0>maybe it was this? https://lxqt.org/
01:23<drakonis>nah its been around for some time now
01:23<lessthan0>I didm
01:23<lessthan0>I didn't write it down sorry
01:23<lessthan0>could be vapor ware
01:23<lessthan0>people come to irc to announce things before they are ready
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01:42<gertwimmers>hey guys, new user of stretch, it looks and feels nice, but i have a firefox question. i see it's esr - i myself don't run over to the firs shiny thing, but: is esr good enough for home desktop use, because in that case i dont need to switch to current
01:42<gertwimmers>or is it bette r to have current firefox for that
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01:43<drakonis>its probably best to have the latest release at this point
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01:44<drakonis>mainly due to significant performance improvements
01:44<gertwimmers>so i just follow the instructions on the debian wiki for latest firefox and i shouldn't break anything
01:44<gertwimmers>if it's in opt it will update itself and that's that
01:45<gertwimmers>no brekage should occur?
01:45<annadane>no breakage, no
01:45<drakonis>nope
01:45<gertwimmers>fantasstic
01:45<annadane>but i wonder if it only updates itself in /opt... i have it saved to my home directory
01:45<gertwimmers>just one question
01:45<gertwimmers>according to wiki it should
01:45<gertwimmers>as long as you extract it from your home folder to opt
01:45<gertwimmers>one more question
01:45<drakonis>its not in /opt though
01:46<gertwimmers>when i createe a .desktop file
01:46<drakonis>firefox is available as a package though
01:46<gertwimmers>is it okay if i name it just firefox there
01:46<gertwimmers>without any additions like firefox browser or anything
01:46<drakonis>i don't know why aren't you installing the package
01:46<gertwimmers>it won't mistake it for esr then?
01:46<drakonis>firefox updates itself on home
01:46<gertwimmers>which package drakonis?
01:46<drakonis>firefox
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01:47<annadane>by package do you mean .deb, i tend to avoid doing that
01:47<drakonis>yes
01:47<drakonis>its available in deb form in the repository
01:47<gertwimmers>i usually follow this https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox#Firefox_Stable.2C_Beta_and_Nightly
01:47<annadane>i assume if extracted from a tar and you set it to install updates automatically it will update
01:48<drakonis>ah right, firefox stable is unstable only
01:48<annadane>...right, i assumed this was understood
01:48<drakonis>i forgot
01:49<drakonis>carry on then
01:49<annadane>therefore on stable i download firefox from the website as a tar and unpack it to my home directory
01:49<annadane>and i assume it updates accordingl
01:49<annadane>y
01:49<drakonis>disregard what i said, i don't know jack
01:49<annadane>the wiki recommends .local/share/applications but i assume home is also fine
01:49<gertwimmers>so people running current firefox aren't so rare :D
01:50<annadane>(except i guess for the paranoid who want to keep stuff out of their home directories as malware and such can target the home directory
01:51<annadane>.local/share/applications is of course also your home directory
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01:54<annadane>actually i think the wiki generically recommends the home directory as well
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03:10<ddlord99>hi
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04:39<hugoShaka>Hi, I don't know if the issue is already known but since the 9.5 release the links are dead on the page https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
04:39<hugoShaka>Changing manually https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso to 9.5.0 works.
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07:18<ictjja>Hello. Where can I find a list of all the Debian Maintainers?
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08:42<Guest1179>Hello! I am on debian live booted from USB. And I need to perform SMART test of HDD.. But that package is not installed and I cannot install anything in in live... Please help.
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08:44<arto>Guest1179: smartctl has to run by root
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08:45<Guest1179>udo: smartctl: command not found
08:45<Guest1179>*sudo
08:46<arto>Guest1179: then I guess Debian Live does not have it
08:46<Guest1179>Yep.. seems so.. But how to install package in debian live?
08:46<ee2455>Guest1179: AFAIK, you /can/ install packages on Debian live. Run su, the apt update, then apt install smartmontools.
08:46<Guest1179>But what is the password?
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08:47<ee2455>I believe it's "live"
08:47<ee2455>Can you try it?
08:47<Guest1179>Nvm.. sudo works without password
08:48<ee2455>That should be enough then.
08:48<Guest1179>Yep thank you :)
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09:06<fiete>or just 'sudo -i' should be nearly the same like 'su'
09:07<annadane>what's the way to back up my entire home folder with one command? like, put it into a tar, or something
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09:08<fiete>'cd /; tar -cvf /tmp/yourbackup.tar /home/yourusername' should work
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14:20<Nora>If i have a long winded question to ask, is it ok to use paste.debian or is that only supposed to be for code and terminal stuff?
14:20<annadane>up to you
14:20<Nora>Thanks!
14:21<annadane>it's not *disallowed* to put it there if you want but you can ask here as well
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14:21<Nora>well, i need help booting windows and have tried several methods i found online
14:21<Nora>so i was going to write out some things i've tried
14:22<Nora>i guess its more suited to a forum post
14:25<mnuhmnuh>Nora: i've see people post full dmesg output there. it's pretty tolerant, and as long as it's debian support ...
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14:26<annadane>i mean basically if you have a dual-boot windows/debian setup it's possible grub just needs to be configured or something simple
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14:28<mnuhmnuh>i used to didle w that all the time. your win10 should be recoverable, but with uefi and win* nowadays, i can't help.
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14:36<mnuhmnuh>Nora: /etc/grub.d/README: "... you can add an entry to boot another OS as 01_otheros ..."
14:37<x032cx>mmm
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15:51<ryouma>i find the relations (if any) among 1) dpkg's conffile options, 2) ucf, and 3) debconf to be mysterious. i /think/ i want to set dpkg to leave modified conffiles as they are and put the new ones in .dist. i know the command to do this. (then i have to figure out merge after that, preferably with emacs ediff and some script.) but where do ucf and debconf fit in?
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17:10<ryouma>so regarding my q about debconf vs. ucf vs. dpkg, is there a guide?
17:13<drakonis>dpkg is a package manager
17:13<dpkg>drakonis: are you smoking crack?
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17:13<drakonis>debconf configures things
17:14<drakonis>ucf preserves user made changes to files
17:14<drakonis>thanks bot
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18:01<ryouma>but it is dpkg that has force confold and so on. and debconf changes the conffiles. so i am still confused. mayve debconf is unrealted, becuase all it does is change the conffiles and is called separately in the installation sequence? but ucf is ... no clue.
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18:09<SirDookieShoes>I have not been on IRC for years... glad to see the community is still alive and vibrant
18:09<annadane>:)
18:09<annadane>this channel's a bit less active than the one on freenode
18:10<SirDookieShoes>Just reacclimating myself it seriously have been 10 years.
18:11<SirDookieShoes>has been*
18:12<annadane>i'm sure debian itself will be around for centuries
18:12<annadane>it not being company owned is what guarantees it won't suddenly fold up
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18:14<ryouma>is ucf a competing technology to dpkg with its force confold and so on? or is it called by dpkg?
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18:15<ryouma>yeah a community distro is essential
18:15<SirDookieShoes>yes - now that we the tech to support it - unless of course we reset ourselves - haha
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18:49<CryptoSec>Question: I have about 70 programs that are kept back "70 not upgraded" when I run apt-get dist-upgrade also in "Package Updater" it states "This update is blocked"... aaahhh why is it blocked and why can't I update these? https://paste.debian.net/1033851/
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18:52<mnuhmnuh>you should weed out non-debian repos and try again, incrementally adding the others carefully methinks.
18:53<mnuhmnuh>vbox, docker, weechat.
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18:55<CryptoSec>got it... I'll do that... well debian is my base OS and I removed docker so I really don't need that in my repo.... so I guess this will be a good time for me to clean up my sources.list...
18:56<mnuhmnuh>i make it how it's supposed to be and leave it alone.
18:56<annadane>you can also try it with aptitude and cycle between solutions it offers and see what the common threads are
18:58-!-mode/#debian [+l 582] by debhelper
18:58<CryptoSec>I'll give that a try...
18:59<CryptoSec>oh and another thing.... does anyone running AMD FX-8350 over here ?
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19:00<annadane>however with 3rd party repos i'd rather mnuhmnuh's suggestion
19:00<annadane>aptitude is probably more useful with pure debian packages
19:00<annadane>though i see a debian-multimedia in there
19:01<CryptoSec>I'm sorry for what I'm going to say but... what's debian-multimedia is really for?
19:01<mnuhmnuh>i'd advise aaginst adding any of them. if you're not getting it from debian repos, it's frankendebian; unsupported.
19:01<annadane>!debian-multimedia
19:01<dpkg>We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>.
19:02<ryouma>do backports cause the same problems on upgrade? what about contrib and non-free?
19:02<ryouma>dist-*
19:02<mnuhmnuh>no, bpo is good.
19:02<ryouma>(i mean from debian version to n+1)
19:02<annadane>uh. with regard to CryptoSec or in general?
19:03<ryouma>i was wondering if bpo config nonfree were subject to the same problems CryptoSec is dealing with
19:03<mnuhmnuh>only devs need care about contrib & non-free. for users, it's good feature.
19:03<CryptoSec>okay.... I guess I'll be doing some serious editing in my sources.list
19:04<ryouma>i.e. comment them out or just leave them in (i do recall config causing an oom, and i was able to upgrade after removing it but that's different)
19:05<mnuhmnuh>CryptoSec: http://paste.debian.net/1033852/
19:05<CryptoSec>ya I alway comment it out... and test it out before making final decision regarding removing it from my file.
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19:05<CryptoSec>is that what should have in my sources.list ?
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19:06<mnuhmnuh>yup.
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19:06<CryptoSec>okie-doky
19:06<annadane>the general rule of thumb when dealing with third party repos and such is just comment them out, don't remove them entirely
19:06<annadane>that way you don't lose track of what you had
19:06<mnuhmnuh>or, you know what not to do again once tried. :-)
19:07<annadane>well no, obviously don't try it again later
19:07<annadane>but it enables you to write down where you got the initial packages
19:08<ryouma>what about self-constructed backports for which you don't have the deb?
19:09<ryouma>or is it just repos?
19:10<annadane>i guess just the repos because individually backported packages are probably fewer in number
19:10<annadane>but like, there's no hard answer
19:10<annadane>anything you want to remember, write down
19:11<CryptoSec>does anybody over here have an AMD FX 8350? I'm just wondering if you guys are also running a water cooler as well and if so what kind?
19:11<CryptoSec>because this puppy is hot as hell!
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19:12<annadane>try ##hardware on freenode
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19:14<CryptoSec>got it...
19:14<mnuhmnuh>and try fluxbox insead of gnome/kde.
19:15<CryptoSec>oh I'm running xfce
19:17<CryptoSec>well that's weird... I made the changed to my sources.list and I ran apt update but still the old repo list loaded
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19:20<mnuhmnuh>apt-get update && aptitude update # !?! should not be necessary.
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19:25<CryptoSec>i did a sudo aptitude dist-upgrade and this is what I get... and I'm really unfamiliar with aptitude so I don't know if I should proceed or not.... http://paste.debian.net/1033855/
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19:27<deb9>hello
19:28<annadane>yeah, no idea. it's probably a spaghetti mess and i've no real idea how to begin looking at it
19:28<deb9>hello i need help
19:28<deb9>i have installed Debian today ,
19:28<deb9>but i had a bootable USB stick with Debian version 9.4.0 ,
19:29<CryptoSec>welcome the the Debian club
19:29<deb9>but i just see that 9.5.0 is released.
19:29<deb9>if i type lsb_release -a i see this:
19:29<CryptoSec>@annadane: I understand
19:30<deb9>thank you CryptoSec
19:30<deb9>Distributor ID: Debian Description: Debian GNU/Linux 9.5 (stretch) Release: 9.5 Codename: stretch
19:30<deb9>i did apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade as root.
19:30<annadane>within releases (whole numbers) you just need to have updated packages
19:31<deb9>maybe that is the reason lsb_release -a says i have release 9.5 ?
19:31<annadane>so the net install even from 9.0 will work, you'd just need to upgrade the packages first after the initial install
19:31<keycollector>Is there are scripts to STIG a debian system? or must i start from scratch?
19:31<annadane>yeah i think it might've been base-files or something that got updated, not sure
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19:37<CryptoSec>@keycollecter: I don't know if you want to use STIG on Debian... you're really going to lock down debian.....try lynis
19:37<ryouma>CryptoSec: one trick is to delete packages that cause problems. another is to try apt-get unless the release notes say not to.
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19:38<mnuhmnuh>i second both those suggests.
19:42<keycollector>Locked down debian system must still be better than a RHEL system though... thanks for the lead on lynis, taking a look at it.
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19:47<vitalii>WOW
19:47<CryptoSec>I'll take Debian over any other Linux Distro.... this damn thing is a tank! I do a lot of things to debian and this putty still runs and stable as hell
19:48<vitalii>Круто!
19:49<vitalii>DEBIan CoOLL!
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