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00:27<twb>Is there an existing tool (e.g. alien) that can turn a .deb into a .squashfs?
00:28<twb>The high-level goal is basically to split out huge-game-data_1.0_all.deb into a separate overlay .squashfs, similar to what morphix used to do, so that the smaller regular rootfs .squashfs can be managed separately.
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01:24<lk>dasds
01:25<lk>sf
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01:29<twb>lk: certainly, sir, we can have that for you by Thursday
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01:45<maliprinc>hey guys: why is debian shipping firefox esr, and should i update to current firefox on debian stretch as per wiki. are there any real advantages for normal home use?
01:45<lk>????
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01:46<maliprinc>lk just asking
01:46<maliprinc>don't know how commong it is for people to change to stable firefox instead of esr on debian systems
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01:48<jm_>maliprinc: because esr gets security updates at least for some period of time
01:49<maliprinc>i understand it's more predictable this way
01:49<maliprinc>as monthly updates you never know what can happen
01:49<maliprinc>but is esr too stale for home use?
01:49<twb>haha for a moment I thought you meant Eric Raymond
01:49<twb>maliprinc: Firefox ESR is perfectlly adequate for my needs, at least.
01:50<maliprinc>Great
01:50<twb>maliprinc: here's a rough comparison: https://caniuse.com/#compare=firefox+52,firefox+60
01:51<maliprinc>there are no major compatibility issues with sites
01:51<jm_>hmm don't know, I use the "rapid" release these days
01:51<maliprinc>+ i know paypal was scaring people they wont be able to pay good if they dont use latest browser
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01:52<CryptoSec>@jm_ : just want to let you know that everything is working.... I'm able to log into xfce... deleting the xorg.conf file really did the trick
01:53<jm_>CryptoSec: ahh so looking into xorg log would show if there's an issue with that, not session log
01:53<twb>non-ESR currently has better TLS1.3 support; better CSS3 + CSS4
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01:55<CryptoSec>ya and I found that there was a whole bunch of nvidia stuff that it's still trying to lookup but couldn't find it... so my deleting it... I kind of gave it an amnesia so it had to look up for a graphics card and it was able to grab my amd/radeon video card drivers
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01:57<jm_>CryptoSec: that also explains why gnome worked
01:57<CryptoSec>ya.... everything just started working....
01:57<CryptoSec>but for some reason my regular updates are blocked
01:57<jm_>no I mean why gnome worked when xfce failed to load
01:58<twb>jm_: because wayland ignores xorg.conf ?
01:58<jm_>twb: bingo
01:58<twb>cool
01:58<CryptoSec>ya what twb said...
01:58<twb>BTW I looked into what syndaemon becomes in libinput universe
01:58<jm_>if you have issues with apt:
01:58<jm_>!bat
01:58<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
01:58<twb>and "disable my touchpad while typing" is actually on by default, it's just such a short window that don't notice it
01:59<twb>And there's no way to say "actually leave the touchpad off for, like, 5 seconds after I stop typing"
01:59<CryptoSec>hey I was lucky that wayland worked... I thought SOL
01:59<CryptoSec>hey I was lucky that wayland worked... I thought I was SOL
01:59<twb>It also defaults to ignoring the edges of the touchpad more than the centre
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01:59<twb>Which is great if you're typing normally, but not if you're typing one-handed while eating a sandwich
02:00<CryptoSec>alright need to go catch some sleep.... I can't think straight anymore... good night everyone... and thank you
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02:25<Dan>hey,anyone there?
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02:27<Anarka>probably not but just ask the question
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03:51<furrymcgee>can you install build-deps from a debian/control file if there there is no src package?
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04:00<urzo>Running debian as a xen guest, how do i interact with the xen balloon driver?
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04:19<goonieb>hello there, trying to upgrade my jessie leads to deinstallinga loadofpackages,how ot solve this?
04:19<goonieb>m stretch, sorry
04:22<goonieb>once again, trying to upgrade py stretch from synaptic would lead to loads of deinstallation... I have nvidia drivers (non free but from repos)
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04:25<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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08:07<mayakovsky>hi, a question to kde users - there was a memory leak problem with kdepim-addons in plasma 5, and there was a backported fix. has it also been introduced in debian stretch and how do i check that? thanks
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08:10<petn-randall>mayakovsky: Usually there's an upstream bug report that tracks the issue, and that will be referenced in any patches. So I'd read the Debian changelog of the affected package and check if it got mentioned.
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08:13<grove>,v kdepim-addons
08:13<judd>Package: kdepim-addons on amd64 -- stretch: 16.04.3-1; buster: 17.12.3-2; sid: 17.12.3-2
08:16<mayakovsky>petn_randall where could i check this?
08:17<grove>It seems no updates have hit that package in stretch, so if anything was changed upstream after the release of stretch it won't be in stretch - and memory leaks would probably often not have a security impact or be relevant for a backport to stable for any other reason
08:17<mayakovsky>all i found was this http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/k/kdepim-addons/kdepim-addons_16.04.3-1_changelog
08:20<petn-randall>mayakovsky: Check in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog.Debian.gz.
08:21<mayakovsky>thanks
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08:47<k-man>can i make my laptop sleep when i close the lid, but then hibernate after some time and totally power down?
08:49<k-man>ah, this seems promising: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemdSuspendSedation
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08:54<Dan>any antivirus for debian ?
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08:55<Dan>annadan,any antivirus for debian?
08:55<Dan>and i want a free and secure vpn too for my debian
08:56<bluewater>clamav?
08:56<Dan>whay is clamav?
08:56<bluewater>dont know if its sitll around though
08:57<Dan>what is clamav?
08:57<bluewater>https://www.clamav.net/
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08:58<Dan>any free and secure vpn for debian?
08:59<coruja>those are questions which can be easily be solved by searching the internet, btw
08:59<coruja>-be
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09:00<annadane>openvpn but it's... not what you'd get from commercial vpn services
09:00<coruja>or even by apt search
09:00<annadane>you have to configure it yourself and then there's the whole question of what VPNs should you trust, anyway
09:00<petn-randall>Dan: Have you done any research before asking in this channel?
09:01<annadane>it's very much not as simple as "i'll buy a VPN service and then i'll be safe" but if you think that in the first place then your threat model is probably low enough that any VPN will basically suffice for the low needs you have
09:01<annadane>also i'm not the only one in the channel you can ask literally anyone else
09:02<annadane>and for debian you probably don't need an antivirus
09:02<Dan>why no antivirus?
09:02<bluewater>the risk for contracting viruses on Linux is relatively low many people don't bother with antivirus software
09:02<annadane>just practice good security measures like not using root when not needed, not adding untrusted repositories, not installing random software from the internet etc
09:03<annadane>pretty much wiki.debian.org/DontBreakdDebian
09:03<Dan>thanks a lot my friend
09:03<annadane>wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian *
09:04<annadane>there's at least one guide on hardening debian but i don't know how recent it is
09:04<annadane>so may be outdated
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09:05<bluewater>and spam email is another topic altogether
09:05<Dan>which vpn will u prefer?
09:05<annadane>you almost don't need an antivirus on *windows*, most of them are spam
09:05<annadane>err
09:05<annadane>scams*
09:06<annadane>Dan, again, the question of VPNs is a very complex topic
09:06<annadane>i can link you a resource, one moment
09:06<Dan>ok bro iam waiting
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09:07<annadane>https://thatoneprivacysite.net/vpn-section/ is i guess the best reference available for this kind of thing. i'll just mention, you need to take several things into consideration, not least of which is "do i trust the owner of the VPN". the fact that you're paying for one may seem like it's a trustworthy thing but it's not guaranteed
09:07<annadane>the generic vpn solution for linux is openvpn but again, it's not as simple as installing it and forgetting it
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09:08<annadane>there really is no simple advice, AFAIK
09:09<annadane>it's actually quite disingenuous, because there's a lot of astroturfing going on where people will claim "x vpn is best" on tech-oriented websites while not bothering to mention the tiny caveat that they're being paid to say that
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09:09<Dan>yes i have tried having vpn using openvpn but i wasnot able to use vpn there was some kind of error .its bery hard to use
09:10<annadane>https://thatoneprivacysite.net/choosing-the-best-vpn-for-you/
09:10<annadane>well it's "hard to use" because you don't understand the theory behind it
09:10<annadane>not to be rude
09:10<annadane>it's just that people have the misconception that because they have a vpn, or openvpn, everything's fine
09:11<annadane>*i* don't understand the theory behind it. which is why i don't use a commercial vpn, among other reasons
09:11<annadane>and it also depends on what you're trying to do. if you're trying to hack into the FBI or something, besides not being supported in #debian, a vpn is very unlikely to help you
09:11<Dan>no i just want to watch geographically locked videos bro
09:12<annadane>consider youtube-dl then
09:12<Dan>what is that?
09:12<annadane>package for debian. if you're on debian stable i'd suggest using it in virtualenv as the one in stable can get outdated
09:14<annadane>i have "yt" aliased to update it every time i use it for something
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09:15<Dan>how to install it??
09:16<annadane>for a virtualenv, first install virtuelenv ('apt install virtualenv', same as any other package), then exit root (so you don't end up with multiple pythons on your system), virtualenv youtube-dl, source youtube-dl/bin/activate, pip install youtube-dl
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09:17<annadane>and yeah if you just want to watch geographically blocked videos a vpn is very much overkill
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09:18<annadane>alternatively, you can use tor if you really do need "a vpn"
09:18<annadane>which, surprise, security being complicated, has other important details one should read up on
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09:19<annadane>Dan, i'd recommend reading up on how to do things in debian
09:19<annadane>!newcomer
09:19<dpkg>Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: https://debian-handbook.info/ Reference manual: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ FAQ: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ - reading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian is also a very good idea.
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09:20<Dan>ok man
09:21<Dan>debian is love😎😎
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09:22<annadane>i'd definitely look into "how to install a package" before "how to use a vpn"
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09:23<Dan>i know hpw to install paxkage
09:23<Dan>sudo apt install package_name
09:24<Dan>to install multiple packages:sudo apt install -y package-1 && sudo apt install -y package-2
09:24<Dan>to remove package sudo apt remove package-name
09:24<annadane>well ok but -y is dangerous and i'd stay away from it in general
09:24<Dan>why dude why it is dangerous?
09:25<annadane>because -y is "assume yes" and you should actually look at what apt is telling you first
09:25<annadane>if it tries to remove a package for instance, it's bad
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09:26<annadane>also installing multiple packages does not require &&, you can just apt install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 ...
09:26<Dan>yes i know dude.iam giving -y to the trusted packages only
09:26<annadane>still a bad idea
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09:27<Dan>where from i can know this bash codes lide sudo apt etc ..everything??
09:27<Dan>like*
09:27<annadane>what they do, you mean? there are man pages ("man sudo"...) or you can search the internet for less technical information and more generalized descriptions
09:27<annadane>or of course manpages.debian.org
09:28<annadane>or, as i linked, the debian handbook, reference manual and so on
09:28<Dan>what is difference between debian handbooka and debian reference??
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09:29<annadane>there's a few differences but basically the handbook is a linguistic general description of the system, the handbook is more dense and detailed
09:29<annadane>sorry, the manual is more dense and detailed
09:30<Dan>how to download manual for offline use??any pdfs links?
09:30<annadane>i think the manual is debian-reference-en
09:31<annadane>(for the english version)
09:31<Dan>i want the pdf link
09:31<annadane>one sec
09:31<Dan>ok
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09:32<annadane>i mean i'm pretty sure if you install it via apt it has a pdf link
09:33<annadane>ditto for the handbook, apt install debian-handbook
09:33<Dan>ok iam gonna give a try
09:34<Dan>can i ask u off topic?
09:35<annadane>uh. depends what the question is, i don't know how to answer that
09:35<annadane>try to stay to debian quesitons
09:35<annadane>quesitons
09:35<annadane>i give up, i can't type
09:36<bluewater>heh
09:36<Dan>did u studied all this manuals and handbook??
09:37<annadane>no actually
09:37<annadane>a lot of what i know comes from lurking in irc
09:37<annadane>i still have to read a lot of this
09:38<Dan>which irc channel?
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09:39<Dan>well u told me reference manual is more detain tha handbook but handbook is above 500 pages and manual only of 298 pages
09:39<annadane>basically all of them :P
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09:39<Dan>can i know them i want to learn same like you
09:39<annadane>well the handbook... covers different areas
09:39<annadane>it's just a different format to the manual
09:40<Dan>what different format?
09:40<annadane>well i mean basically this one here on oftc, the #debian in freenode... that's kind of it in terms of learning
09:40<annadane>format in the sense that they present information in different ways
09:40<annadane>the handbook is a little easier to understand at first
09:40<Dan>can i ask what handbook is more and what reference manual is for?
09:40<annadane>though it's not like the manual is that difficult either
09:41<Dan>more= for
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09:41<annadane>as i said, the handbook is a qualitative description of the system as a whole written in simple language - essentially - and the manual is more of a series of sections detailing how to do each individual thing
09:42<annadane>you'll see that for yourself if you skim them
09:43<annadane>but i wouldn't say it's mandatory to know every single little thing, i think by far the most important thing to read is wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian, anything else you can learn on your own time later
09:43<annadane>it's all about how motivated the user is and how quickly they absorb information, everyone is different
09:43<Dan>what is dontbreakdebian is about?
09:44<annadane>advice on how to not ruin your debian system, read it
09:44<Dan>i wanna learn bash to use debian properly btw
09:45<annadane>http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
09:45<annadane>also http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashProgramming
09:46<silver>https://wiki.debian.org/Shell
09:46<annadane>there's also #bash on freenode for general discussion
09:46<silver>https://wiki.debian.org/DashAsBinSh
09:47<Dan>any pdf link to learn it??i usually read offline on my phone no internet at my college
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09:48<annadane>i know with firefox you can right click the page and "save page as..." and you should get an offline snapshot
09:48<annadane>probably most other browsers too
09:49<Dan>but not much commands are included there dude!!i have gone through the links
09:49<annadane>oh, hey. http://folk.ntnu.no/geirha/bashguide.pdf
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09:50<annadane>teach me not to read.
09:50<Dan>yes i have already found it😎😎thanks
09:51<Dan>this channel is so helpful best irc channel ever
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09:52<silver>Debian is the center of the universe.
09:53<silver>ArchLinux seems to be very nearby with all the solid information they provide as well
09:54<Dan>yes manjaro is great
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09:54<annadane>i use the arch wiki routinely for help with things in debian
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09:55<Dan>hey how should i study the bash guide to learn it in effective way
09:56<annadane>same way you study anything, if you don't understand it reread it and try to understand it and not just skip over it
09:57<annadane>or ask in #bash on freenode
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09:57<Dan>thanks bro ...love this channel bue for now
09:57<Dan>bye
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09:58<arto>Dan: bash guide is good to read, but i'm still learning bash after using it more than 20 years
09:58<annadane>yeah. learning is an iterative process and doesn't really end
09:59<Dan>hey iam not even 20 years old
09:59<annadane>and i guess there's no substitute for practice
09:59<Dan>i wanna learn it a little quick arto
10:00<arto>Dan; I don't mean I could not use, started use it day one when I first time sitting in front of unix client
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10:02<Dan>i wanna go ahead of sudo apt install on using bash even to scripting
10:02<annadane>that was an hour. why do i always get roped into these?
10:02<arto>Dan: I've learned you can do a lot bash purely, but to be effective in linux, you need to know sed, awk, and then python, ruby, or some other genereal langugage, depends what you need
10:02<annadane>Dan, apt-get is preferable for use in scripts
10:03<arto>annadane: so apt says
10:03<Dan>what?
10:03<arto>Dan: start reading and exmperimenting, it will come clear
10:04<annadane>Dan, "man apt" in your terminal and scroll down to "script usage and differences from other apt tools"
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10:04<Dan>ok man
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10:04<annadane>man pages are a bit like the reference manual, to expand on your question. readable, but just a bullet list of items, one after the other
10:05<Dan>i wamma contribute to debain community and opensource community .one of my dreams
10:05<Dan>wanna
10:05<annadane>not as easily comprehensible to a beginner as a more simple language description, like the handbook
10:05<arto>I use apt, shorter write, I have not needed my scripts to install anythgin
10:05<annadane>do you? ok
10:05<annadane>i don't have much experience with scripting
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10:05<arto>annadane: they can make your life easier
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10:06<annadane>well, sure
10:06<Dan>any example of that arto?
10:06<arto>if you know bash, it is not hard to start, and look examples
10:06<Dan>will reading the bash guide is enough?
10:06<Dan>art0?
10:07<arto>Dan: for example, when I plugin my usb hdd in, bash script will copy my /home to that usb hdd
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10:07<Dan>wow what is the code?
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10:07<arto>Dan: easier, if you try simpler one first
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10:08<arto>but as such, even that usb-copy.sh is quite simple at the end, if you understand bash
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10:08<Dan>iam asking will the bashguide enough to dp these things?
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10:09<Dan>do*
10:09<arto>Dan: you have to do a solid base, I recommend reading that book, and you already know pretty much
10:09<guardian>hello, does var/log/dpkg.log tell we when then latest package upgrade was done?
10:10<Dan>ok thanks arto gonna start today .thanks for support again : annadane and arto
10:10<annadane>ok now i have a question, how do i get the stupid window back in imagemagick that lets you move the screen
10:10<Anarka>guardian or /var/log/apt/history.log
10:11<guardian>are they linked together?
10:11<Dan>haha😂😂 i had same issue once
10:11<Anarka>apt-get uses dpkg so... yea
10:11<guardian>in the sense of what appears in dpkg.log should correspond to apt/history.log and reciprocally?
10:11<guardian>k
10:11<guardian>thanks
10:12<Anarka>dpkg -l is more verbose...
10:12<dpkg>No packages found matching is more verbose...
10:12<Anarka>log...
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10:13<arto>annadane: I have read a debian dev book, where he said apt-get was never done only as temporary fix when apt was not ready, but then things do not always go like you plan
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10:14<annadane>"purge" isn't strong enough for imagemagick, i need to invent a command that will compose an angry letter to the developers
10:16<arto>annadane: what if you close imagemagick, and start over ?
10:16<annadane>i can probably just wipe its config
10:16<annadane>and yeah it's not even there
10:18<annadane>oh. there. it appears if i manually shrink the window
10:18<annadane>it was probably just off screen
10:19<annadane>stupid. if you maximize it it just goes away again
10:19<guardian>Anarka: will unattended upgrades appear there as well?
10:19<arto>annadane: is your virtual screen biggern than your monitor ?
10:19<annadane>i don't know. it seems to fit inside
10:20<annadane>that said, maybe i can tweak that
10:20<arto>annadane: I have a book ImageMagick, but can't help you (,
10:20<Anarka>guardian: humm they should or probably another log
10:20<arto>whould help if I finished that book
10:21<Anarka>guardian: they should...
10:21<annadane>i still consider eom the best image viewer
10:21<annadane>i'll just use that
10:21<arto>annadane: I agree, it's great
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10:23<arto>annadane: and feh on cli
10:23<annadane>yeah feh is fine as well
10:23<annadane>i don't know, i'm just being picky for no reason
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10:25<annadane>those guides, though... man. for all the time i spend in irc i could at least devote a few hours to actually reading the stupid things
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11:06<guardian>thanks for the answers
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11:11<EmleyMoor>Without a clue how, google-chrome-stable has resumed working for me
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11:21<EmleyMoor>I'll give it a few days and if it still works I'll stop using chromium
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11:25<EmleyMoor>Gosh, some part of my computer, despite going over 70C sometiwes, is getting as cold as 18! It's 29 outside!
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11:28<Brigo>EmleyMoor, that's against thermodinamic laws.
11:29<annadane>i blame google chrome
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11:31<EmleyMoor>Blimey, it just dropped to 14.8 briefly!
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11:33<arto>EmleyMoor: that's calculated approximation, and can sometimes show funny values
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11:38<user>pd infotecs
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11:39<Brigo>EmleyMoor, we could get infinity energy from that and save the humanity!
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13:51<wget>Hi guys. I have just created my repo using reprepro, with ssl auth and evertyhing, the only issue is that when I do a search using apt, I cannot see the package I added.
13:51<wget>Here is the package: https://debian.repo.wget.be/pool/main/o/openssh-initramfs/
13:51<wget>Any idea of the issue?
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14:02<sarnold>wget: do you have updated lists from your repo in /var/lib/apt/lists/ ?
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14:03<wget>sarnold: yes. Via an apt update. I even checked with aptitude by removing all the default debian repo, my package is not listed :-/
14:03<wget>The sources of my package btw: https://github.com/wget/openssh-initramfs
14:03<sarnold>hm. my next debugging step is to grab strace and make sure apt is reading the right files :)
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14:05<wget>sarnold: it seems it is
14:05<wget>stat("/etc/apt/sources.list", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=862, ...}) = 0
14:05<wget>open("/etc/apt/sources.list", O_RDONLY) = 4
14:05<sarnold>wget: and does it then open /var/lib/apt/lists/wgets_repo_here files?
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14:06<wget>sarnold: hum. it tries, but for some reason it seems to complains
14:06<wget>stat("/var/lib/apt/lists/debian.repo.wget.be_dists_stretch_main_binary-amd64_Packages.gz", 0x7ffe9ccb0f20) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
14:06<wget>*-s
14:07<wget>is this safe to remove that "cache"? i.e. var/lig/apt/lists
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14:08<sarnold>the files within the directory, yes, I do that from time to time. I'm less sure about the directory, if you remove that you *might* need to put it back by hand with correct user/group/permissions.
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14:09<wget>removed and the system doesn't complain so far. But still no package
14:09<wget>sarnold: btw, My package is not gpg signed (my repo is)
14:09<wget>could this interfere?
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14:11<sarnold>wget: probably not, no one signs debian packages -- the debian packaging threat model is based entirely on trusting the repository
14:12<wget>hum ok
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14:20<wget>sarnold: what I did here: https://gist.github.com/wget/665a3abb7c38fb95130d5ee682e58a03
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14:21<sarnold>wget: all looks sane
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14:23<wget>sarnold: after all I haven't used reprepro and made everything by hand since even with reprepro, I needed to achieve stuffs manually like signatures etc.
14:24<sarnold>ah, I wonder if you've overlooked something reprepro did for you ..
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14:25<wget>sarnold: actually to make sure I reoved the package using reprepro and readded it (still using reprepro), but still not changes :-/
14:26<sarnold>wget: do you get any errors or warnings from apt-get update process? or on the reprepro output/logging/etc?
14:26<wget>sarnold: nothing from client side
14:26<wget>and from server side, since reprepro isn't a server in the background,, I don't have anu logs.
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14:26<wget>NGINX doesn't complain at all.
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14:26<wget>But I should look in the NGINX access logs maybe this will help
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14:27<sarnold>it couldn't hurt to at least make sure the client is making requests when you think it should..
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14:49<scrdcow>why are there no older linux-images for amd64 in debian sid? for ex 4.9 -> 4.15. I have problems with iwlwifi for a 7260 intel card. it worked fine on an older kernel, I had it installed, but removed it... and then I got the problems. maybe it doesn't have anything to do with the kernel itself thou. but want to try older ones.
14:51<scrdcow>(it did not get the problems directly after the removal. but the last couple of days... I have latest firmware-iwlwifi installed, iwlwifi-7260-17.ucode)
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14:52<Brigo>scrdcow, for old package use archive.debian.org
14:52<scrdcow>https://paste.debian.net/1033974/
14:52<scrdcow>Brigo: oh! thx. forgot about that :-)
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14:58<scrdcow>Brigo: seems there is no archive for unstable? (which would be weird...)
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15:03<ryouma>annadane: feh allows you to classify images with its user-definable keys. can eom do something similar?
15:04<annadane>idk
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15:04<ryouma>don't break debian's biggest thing i do is don't purge packages blindly. trying to reduce size. :) got myself all confused with markauto and such by markautoing ~libs and such.
15:05<ryouma>i think maybe feh is the o9nly one that can do that
15:05<scrdcow>ryouma: was that directed to me? I usually don't remove kernel-packages, but now I had sooo many :-D
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15:07<ryouma>nah annadane mentioned dontbreakdebian
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15:08<ryouma>so now i have to unmarkauto stuff that i would prefer be "whatever they were when installed"
15:09<annadane>you have to understand i like, never take advantage of the full features of programs
15:09<scrdcow>oh, ok.
15:09<annadane>i'm sure feh can list, categorize, script with python and make toast but i just use it for image viewing
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15:11<ryouma>i thought ImageMagick was all cli so same here
15:12<ryouma>(with it .) (actually i need to figure out if it can auto-normalize contrast so images aren't too dark, washed-out, and especially so the difference between dark and light is not too small).
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15:16<annadane>imagemagick just strikes me as clunky, never particularly liked it
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15:17<annadane>in fact i wonder if i can remove it, it was autoinstalled...
15:18<annadane>cool. if you remove it, calibre goes away too
15:18<annadane>and by cool i mean GOD DAMNIT
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15:21<ryouma>why does apt-cache show require root?
15:22<sarnold>ryouma: it doesn't for me
15:22<scrdcow>ryouma: not sure. but you can use apt show. doesn't need root.
15:23<ryouma>huh
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15:23<sarnold>(granted, ubuntu here, but when I used debian I don't recall it needing root..)
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15:23<scrdcow>doesn't for me either thou.
15:23<scrdcow>(sid)
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15:23<scrdcow>ryouma: "apt" command can do "show" aswell.
15:24<ryouma>apt show wfm
15:24<scrdcow>yes
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15:45<Makkah>NEW CHAT ROOM
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15:46<annadane>sorry, we all got sick of debian and decided to move to arch linux
15:46<petn-randall>Makkah: invalid command
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15:48<sarnold>proffe: can you fix your network connection?
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15:49<Brigo>annadane, you could have told me :(
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16:12<chrishell>regarding stable update, why are some packages been kept back? in my case are these all the NVIDA packages. But I need these new drivers, do I?
16:13<ryouma>dunno, but maybe somethign requires deling a package. in which case you use dist-uipgrade or so. but justa guess.
16:13<Brigo>chrishell, usually because they depende on other package you have to install too, so the system stops and now is your call.
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16:14<annadane>!bat
16:14<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
16:14<annadane>chrishell, ^
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16:18<ryouma>does one typically need any of these packages? distro-info-data{u} hardening-includes{u} libaprutil1{p} libcrypt-ssleay-perl{u} libdigest-hmac-perl{u} linux-kbuild-3.16{u} t1utils{u}
16:19<ryouma>(also where are the {x} symbols documented? not in man.)
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16:19<annadane>aptitude regex?
16:19*annadane checks the manual
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16:22<chrishell>http://paste.debian.net/1033982/
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16:22<annadane>ryouma, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s02s02.en.html
16:23<sarnold>probably an apt-get -u dist-upgrade would show you a NEW package to install or a package to purge
16:23<annadane>-u is what again?
16:23<annadane>(too lazy to manpage)
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16:24<ryouma>annadane: that seems to be aptitude and i did not find {.} there. i am using apt-get.
16:25<ryouma>oh the table?
16:25<sarnold>annadane: -u asks apt-get to show you the operations it will undertake
16:26<annadane>-u doesn't even seem to be in the man page anyway
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16:27<sarnold>ha
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16:29<ryouma>annadane: i get the symbols now.
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16:31<chrishell>ok I guess apt dist-upgrade works also for me even if it is just a "minor" update
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16:35<ryouma>yeah i do it by default. it might be slightly risky for backports but you can always not perform the actions.
16:35<ryouma>it is good for kernel security patches that change abi
16:35<annadane>there's also -s for simulate
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16:36<chrishell>well I could switch off the backports for now, and add them again afterwards. I need it just for virtualbox anyways
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17:43<CryptoSec>testing.... testing
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17:45<CryptoSec>okay, that's weird when I'm a message to irc.freenode to #radeon I'm getting the following message " CryptoSec testing... can anyone read my messages? === #radeon Cannot send to channel "
17:45<CryptoSec>I guess that a freenode problem...
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17:56<lessthan0>CryptoSec maybe you need to be registered or you need +v
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17:58<lessthan0>there is no one in that room
17:58<lessthan0>maybe on a different network
17:59<lessthan0>this is OFTC maybe you made a mistake?
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18:02<CryptoSec>probably...
18:03<annadane>what room?
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18:06<lessthan0>I need help with samba https://pastebin.com/XuQTrPXw
18:07<lessthan0>or maybe this is normal I don't know
18:07<annadane>!crosspost
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18:07<dpkg>Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
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19:13<bryanostergaard>Hey, I think you guys might enjoy my new blog post https://bryanostergaard.com/blog/2018/07/16/why-i-created-the-exherbo-linux-project/
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19:13<bryanostergaard>https://bryanostergaard.com/blog/2018/07/16/why-i-created-the-exherbo-linux-project/
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19:16<hhorl>Did anyone notice any crazy network issues since the last couple of days? debian sid, kernels 4.16.0-2 & 1.17.0.1 & iwlwifi -- i just tested with a grml and there i do not see those huge lags and throughput problems, also not with other devices on same wifi.
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19:18<petn-randall>!debian-next
19:18<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
19:18<petn-randall>hhorl: Try asking in the channel above. You'll find all the sid users there. ^^^
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19:18<hhorl>thanks!
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19:27<ck11>hi
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19:28<ck11>hola
19:28<ck11>hiii
19:29<blast007>ck11: hi, do you have a support question about Debian Linux?
19:30<ck11>can i hack mail in dos attack?
19:31<abrotman>ck11: This is the wrong channel for that conversation
19:31<ck11>ok thanks
19:34<lessthan0>I have a question actually
19:35<lessthan0>I installed samba with defaults and made smb.conf from a template online
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19:35<lessthan0>the problems all relate to /etc/systemd/system/samba-ad-dc.service
19:36<lessthan0>I edited the path to run/ and edited samba.pid to smbd.pid edited the path to /sbin/samba
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19:37<lessthan0>now I am making progress when I systemctl start samba-ac-dc I get failed (result: resources)
19:37<petn-randall>lessthan0: It's easier to actually read up the meanings of parameters than using a website to generate config files; in the end of the day debugging the config file from the website will take much more time than writing it from scratch.
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19:39<lessthan0> /etc/systemd/system/samba-ad-dc.service was a symlink so I didn't know where to start
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19:39<lessthan0>it was autogenerated by the install script for apt install samba
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19:40<petn-randall>lessthan0: It's failing because you set things that made it unhappy. Start reading the error logs and fixing the settings.
19:40<petn-randall>lessthan0: You won't get a samba server running without understanding the fundamentals, though.
19:40<lessthan0>after I installed samba I realized I needed a active directory server
19:40<lessthan0>I never did it without windows
19:40<petn-randall>Depending on what you want to achieve, you don't.
19:41<lessthan0>I just want a simple share to to machines
19:41<lessthan0>two machines
19:41<petn-randall>then you don't need AD.
19:41<lessthan0>so maybe I don't need it but systemctl start samba breaks
19:41<petn-randall>lessthan0: The other machien is windows?
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19:41<lessthan0>I have a mix of debian and windows
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19:42<lessthan0>this was my solution to build a NAS or SAN that can do both
19:42<petn-randall>lessthan0: It fails to start because you have an invalid config. Have you looked into the logs yet?
19:42<lessthan0>yes I read two different logs
19:42<lessthan0>that is how I fixed one of the errors
19:42<lessthan0>fixed the path to work with debian
19:43<lessthan0>and my samba package
19:44<lessthan0>brb
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20:30<CryptoSec>Question: I'm still having apt issues and I brought this up with you guys about three days ago and I did what you guys suggested... I removed all the "extra" repos in my sources.list file but I'm still unable to upgrade my packages in apt.... I was wondering if that's something that you guys can help me out or should I bring this question up at #debian-apt? https://paste.debian.net/1034006/
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20:31<abrotman>CryptoSec: what's the problem?
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20:31<CryptoSec>I'm unable to upgrade my packages when I run apt upgrade https://paste.debian.net/1034006/
20:32<abrotman>did you try a dist-upgrade or installing the package explicitly?
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20:33<CryptoSec>yes, I tried apt install and listed all the packages after that....
20:33<CryptoSec>I even tried apt update and then apt dist-upgrade
20:33<CryptoSec>no success
20:34<CryptoSec>I even installed Gnome Package updater and it lists all those packages in the "Blocked updates" dection
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20:35<CryptoSec>in the details section it says "This update is blocked."
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20:37<sarnold>does apt-mark showhold show anything interesting?
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20:38<CryptoSec>is "apt-mark showhold" a command that I can execute ?
20:40<drakonis>yeah?
20:40<drakonis>have you tried reading the manual page?
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20:41<CryptoSec>I executed the apt-mark showhold and it gives me A-LOT of program names
20:42<CryptoSec>no I didn't know that were was a manual for it....
20:42<CryptoSec>is the manual apt-mark or showhold.
20:42<CryptoSec>is the manual apt-mark or showhold ?
20:42<sarnold>apt-mark
20:43<CryptoSec>okay. I'll go ahead and read the manual....
20:43<CryptoSec>brb
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21:37<Doctor_Pi>Is there a channel for EOL Debian?
21:39<Doctor_Pi>I want to add a backports repo to a Lenny install.
21:39<luizromario>Doctor_Pi: You mean for support of, say, wheezy?
21:39<luizromario>Oh
21:39<luizromario>Why?
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21:40<luizromario>I don't think there's a channel dedicated for that purpose specifically, but you can still ask for help here
21:40<Doctor_Pi>I can't upgrade the system. But I would like to add sshguard to it.
21:40<luizromario>On the off chance anyone else is doing the same thing
21:40<luizromario>But I doubt it
21:41<keycollector>Whats the reason the system cant be upgraded?
21:41<ryouma>Doctor_Pi: there is debian lts channel but idk if it supports more than jessie
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21:42<Doctor_Pi>keycollector: the non-profit org that runs the server is short on staff to do a full migration.
21:43<abrotman>Doctor_Pi: backports of what?
21:43<Doctor_Pi>abrotman: sshguard
21:43<ryouma>oh you said eol explicitly nm
21:45<luizromario>Doctor_Pi: here's what I'd do: try to replicate the installation on a VM if you can and see if you can install it by hand without breaking anything
21:45<Doctor_Pi>would "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian lenny-backports main" work
21:45<luizromario>If you're successful, just replicate your steps in the non-profit PCs. If not, it's just a VM
21:46<Doctor_Pi>luizromario: yes I've requested a vserver instance with root access.
21:47<luizromario>Doctor_Pi: I'm not sure if the main repos for lenny are still up, let alone the backports
21:47<luizromario>Doctor_Pi: can't you run the VM in your main PC just to test this?
21:48<Doctor_Pi>luizromario: My main pc runs Debian Testing/Buster.
21:50<Doctor_Pi>luizromario: the only VM I know to run on it is a KVM Win 10 guest.
21:51<abrotman>!archive
21:51<dpkg>i heard archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/
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21:56<Doctor_Pi>abrotman: I think I may have misunderstood my instructions. Interesting there already is a package for sshguard.
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22:02<Doctor_Pi>abrotman: There's also mention of it in "archive.debian.org/backports.org/dists/lenny-backports/main/binary-amd64/"
22:02<ryouma>Doctor_Pi: what is the issue? itnegration with their sw?
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22:03<ryouma>or taht the hw will not work with stretch?
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22:04<Doctor_Pi>ryouma: how do I add the backport repo to sources.list?
22:04<Doctor_Pi>ryouma: the hardware will probably work with jessie.
22:05<ryouma>adding hte repo is the issue?
22:06<Doctor_Pi>ryouma: yes, I just want to get the syntax right. The org has an all volunteer staff.
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23:53<atze>hez
23:53<atze>hey
23:53<atze>anyone here to talk with?
23:53<annadane>!ask
23:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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23:54<atze>i am new here
23:54<atze>what type of chatroom is this?
23:54<annadane>this is for debian support
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23:56<atze>ok ty
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