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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-07-17

---Logopened Tue Jul 17 00:00:38 2018
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00:50<CryptoSec>Okay I'm back from reading apt-mark and removing the holds on the packages. I was able to remove the packages and install it.
00:51<CryptoSec>I'm just curious as to why it would hold these packages? what would cause it? I'm guessing it might be a safty mechanism... just a guess
00:53<annadane>well, your paste expired so i don't know the situation
00:54<jm_>!held back
00:54<dpkg>hmm... kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". See also http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 and ask me about <full-upgrade>.
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01:02<CryptoSec>got it...
01:02<CryptoSec>Here is the link https://paste.debian.net/1034019/
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01:03<CryptoSec>what I did.... I entered "sudo apt-mark unhold " and a list of programs after "unhold" and it was able to remove the hold and for me to install it.
01:04<CryptoSec>I really didn't know anything other than apt or apt-get or apt-cache ever existed... so thanks for the info about apt-mark
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01:19<CryptoSec>alright... I'm out.... thanks everyone... chat with you all later.
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03:25<TotallyNotKim>https://paste.debian.net/ seems to be down?
03:26<annadane>yeah, me too
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03:43<dolphin>avio del pc linux mx 17 san ecritura qui defile
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03:46<grove>!fr
03:46<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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06:24<KdeKris>Need a little help with a gpu issue here. If anyone is available.
06:25<KdeKris>I have a dell precision 6600 with an i7 2720qm and amd firepro m6100, all my graphics processing seems to be going through llvmpipe instead of my gpu. I have mesa latest version installed with opengl 3.0
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06:27<towo^work>KdeKris, lspci egrep -i "vga|3d|display" is saying what?
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06:28<KdeKris>https://pastebin.com/RXJ7wJF1
06:29<KdeKris>towo^work
06:29<towo^work>wrong command, sorry
06:29<towo^work>lspci | egrep -i "vga|3d|display"
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06:30<KdeKris>I thought something looked funky. Didn't want to question someone who might know more than I. One second and I'll have a new pastebin for ya.
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06:30<KdeKris>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Saturn XT [FirePro M6100]
06:30<KdeKris>Just shows my gpu
06:31<towo^work>KdeKris, do you have firmware-amd-grphics installed?
06:31<KdeKris>I do
06:31<towo^work>KdeKris, which kernel version you are running?
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06:32<KdeKris>towo^work, uname -r outputs 4.9.0-7-amd64
06:33<towo^work>KdeKris, dmesg | grep -i firmw is showing anything?
06:34<KdeKris>https://pastebin.com/2vQfnAQ6
06:34<KdeKris>Ill get a link to the reddit post I started, so you can see how far we got.
06:34<KdeKris>https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/8zalgs/issues_after_upgrade/
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06:36<towo^work>KdeKris, you have a recent Xorg.0.log handy?
06:37<KdeKris>one sec, the one linked on pastebin in that reddit thread is about 12 hours old. I'll get a fresh one.
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06:38<KdeKris>https://pastebin.com/8RVyidTB
06:38<KdeKris>https://pastebin.com/8RVyidTB
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06:38<KdeKris>well, same one, but pastebin made me do the spam captcha for the first link
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06:46<towo^work>KdeKris, you do not have xserver-xorg-video-radeon installed, do you?
06:47<KdeKris>I do. "already the latest version (1:7.8.0+b1)"
06:48<towo^work>hm, it's not used
06:48<towo^work>it's using modeset ddx
06:48<KdeKris>I'm just wondering why it's doing that though.
06:48<KdeKris>Maybe reinstalling xserver might do something?
06:49<towo^work>you could try mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "radeon"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-amd.conf
06:49<towo^work>then try restarting x
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06:50<KdeKris>What does that do? Not like, questioning you. Just trying to learn as I do this. I've used linux exclusively for going on five years now, and it seems like I learn something new ever other day.
06:50<towo^work>KdeKris, this command creates a minimal xorg-conf-snipped and set the ddx to radeon
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06:51<towo^work>KdeKris, but you have to be sure, xserver-xorg-video-radeon is installed
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06:51<KdeKris>Also, do I need to change any of it to match anything on my machine? I.E. any specific device identifiers that need to match up?
06:51<KdeKris>xserver-xorg-video-radeon is definitely installed
06:52<towo^work>KdeKris, no, you can use that whole command
06:52<towo^work>mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "radeon"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-amd.conf then restart x
06:52<KdeKris>I'll give it a shot.
06:54<KdeKris>I get "mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d’: Permission denied" the try "sudo !!" and get "bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-amd.conf: Permission denied"
06:54<towo^work>KdeKris, do that as root
06:54<KdeKris>that's what the sudo !! was for I thought? Or should I sudo -i first to log in as root then runn it?
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06:55<towo^work>why using sudo? debian has a real root
06:55<KdeKris>Old habit I guess. I came from ubuntu
06:55<jm_>if you use sudo make sure to run both commands with sudo, not just the first (mkdir)
06:55<KdeKris>I've only been using debian for like...six months or so
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06:56<KdeKris>Okay, I'll run them separately then. And also take a note to look into this "real root" that you speak of.lol
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06:57<KdeKris>still get permission denied on the second command "bash : /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-amd.conf: Permission denied"
06:58<towo^work>echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "radeon"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-amd.conf that is one command!
06:58<KdeKris>Yep, that's exactly how I copied and pasted it.
06:58<KdeKris>mkdir is one command, echo -e is the second.
06:58<jm_>yeah sudo echo > is not going to work, > happens in current context, do it as root
06:58<KdeKris>so sudo -i first, then run the whole thing?
06:59<jm_>or that
06:59<towo^work>that's why i syed, don't use sudo
06:59<towo^work>+a
06:59<KdeKris>+a?
07:00<piper>KdeKris: he meant "said" instead of "syed" ;)
07:00<KdeKris>Oh, typo. gotcha
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07:01<KdeKris>jm_ towo^work, what is this other root that you speak of? I'm pretty familiar with sudo, but never heard of anything else as root really
07:02<piper>su - password
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07:02<jm_>KdeKris: su - root
07:02<KdeKris>The difference being?
07:02<piper>real root
07:03<jm_>should be no difference to sudo, but su will work if sudo is not configured for example
07:04<KdeKris>oh, okay. So sticking to what I'm familiar with will do just fine then. I'll still do a little googling on su later though. Thanks
07:04<piper>KdeKris: a good read https://fossbytes.com/sudo-su-difference-linux/
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07:05<KdeKris>bookmarked
07:05<KdeKris>Now I gotta remember how to restart x
07:06<KdeKris>newb problems.
07:06<jm_>do you use graphical login?
07:06<KdeKris>yes
07:07<KdeKris>kde default
07:07<jm_>cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
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07:07<piper>i don't use sudo systemctl restart sddm.service using sudo would be sudo systemctl restart sddm.service unless you don't use sddm
07:07<KdeKris>output : /usr/bin/sddm
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07:08<jm_>see above, restart sddm.service
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07:08<jm_>:)
07:08<piper>:)
07:08<annadane>thank god. they've left.
07:08<annadane>now the party can start.
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07:17<KdeKris>Okay. Had a small scare when restarting xserver. Got black screen and then login prompt. Which I expected. then the K loading screen. Then it just sat at a black screen whith a mouse pointer for just shy of a minute.
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07:18<KdeKris>That went to a stop job screen where two jobs took almost another minute to finish. then back to log in screen and now I'm back up.
07:18<KdeKris>Weird, but no major alarms
07:19<KdeKris>how will I know if our trick was successful?
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07:23<Romanson>Hai
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07:34<KdeKris>Games are still running shitty
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07:38<KdeKris>Xorg.0.log pastebin https://pastebin.com/ws8cAJE1
07:39<annadane>jm_, piper, ^
07:42<arto>KdeKris: install mesa-utils, and run glx-gears
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07:42<annadane>oh, towo as well. anyway, i shouldn't highlight people on other peoples behalves
07:43<arto>KdeKris: command was glxgears, NOT glx-gears as I said
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07:43<KdeKris>seems to be doing what it's supposed to. I guess. Little window with three gears pops up, Frames being counted in terminal
07:43<KdeKris>averaging 2000 fps
07:44<arto>KdeKris.: imho that's not bad, 2000 fps
07:44<KdeKris>I'm about to give up and switch back to the old gpu. Factorio ran 55-60 fps on there. Only gets 15 on the new one.
07:45<KdeKris>right, seems everything runs perfectly till I pull up any game. Then it all goes to shit.
07:45<towo^work>it does not run proper
07:45<arto>KdeKris: which games?
07:45<KdeKris>towo^work, how so?
07:45<towo^work>it's not using accellerated 3d, it's using swrast, aka software rendering
07:45<towo^work>KdeKris, read your x-log
07:46<KdeKris>Steam games like factorio, Kerbal Space Program, Ark, etc.
07:46<KdeKris>So nothing changed after what we did before then?
07:47<KdeKris>[ 48.099] (II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI2 capable
07:47<KdeKris>[ 48.099] (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
07:47<KdeKris>That part right above the swrast lines. What is that?
07:47<arto>towo^work: just said
07:48<KdeKris>Sooooo. it won't use hardware rendering unless I get a new screen?
07:48<arto>I meand, towo^work just said, worry towo^work
07:48<arto>sorry!
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07:48<towo^work>KdeKris, which egl-packages you have installed?
07:48<KdeKris>Not sure.
07:48<towo^work>KdeKris, then check it
07:49<towo^work>dpkg -l | grep egl
07:49<dpkg>ii | grep egl 3.2-11.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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07:50<KdeKris>https://pastebin.com/KSDc9gsZ
07:50<KdeKris>Looks like all 64 bit packages. Isn't steam 32? Would that be the issue maybe?
07:51<KdeKris>Or part of the issue at least?
07:51<jm_>your problem seems to start way before we get to steam
07:52<KdeKris>Well, alrighty then. If I had hair, I'd be pulling it out right now.
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07:57<KdeKris>Two quesitons. Well, a question and a statement. Question: Can it be fixed? Statement: I'll buy beer/coffee for whoever helps. Even a little help. Not a competition. Just send me your paypal if you feel you helped.
07:59<jm_>I'm not really familiar with AMD cards, but have you considered upgrading the kernel/firmware files to those from bpo?
08:00<KdeKris>I have not. Of all my searching for the last 24 hours, I have seen nothing that even mentions such a thing.
08:00<KdeKris>what is bpo?
08:00<jm_>!bpo
08:00<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
08:00<jm_>!bpo kernel
08:00<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <stretch-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t stretch-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
08:00<jm_>ust aptitude to just find it and install it using your regular tool
08:00<grove>When I add a repo in sources.list, `apt update` only downloads the InRelease file from the repo, not Packages (compressed in some way) so afterwards no packages can be found - the interaction is at https://paste.debian.net/1034041/ , the problematic repo is the kubernetes one, and that proxy is not available to you, so you can't even try to reproduce - what can be the problem?
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08:03<KdeKris>jm_ so, add debian backports to my sources.list, run aptitude update to update packages, then run aptitude -t stretch-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`
08:03<KdeKris>?? seems pretty straightforward.
08:05<KdeKris>I always thought kernel updating was a pain in the ass and risked bricking the computer
08:05<arto>KdeKris: even debian stable has had kernel-updates
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08:06<arto>KdeKris: and you cant brick hw with sw, that's general rule
08:07<KdeKris>So I don't need the backport kernel? since stable has kernel-updates?
08:07<KdeKris>Okay, well maybe brick was a bad choice of word. Bork maybe?
08:07<arto>KdeKris: stable has only security updates, bpo has newer kernels
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08:09<arto>KdeKris: last week here was one guy, which jm_ and others helped he to get his radeon working using bpos, but have not such knowledge, sorry
08:09<KdeKris>Okay, So we're thinking a kernel upgrade might allow my new hardware to work properly?
08:09<arto>KdeKris: thats sane thingking, imho
08:09<towo^work>i don't think, a newer kernel will solve the problem
08:09<towo^work>but it's worth to give a try
08:10<KdeKris>It's something I haven't tried yet, so I'm willing.
08:10<arto>KdeKris: they alreadey used driver from bpo
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08:10<towo^work>the problem is on the mesa side with egl and glamor
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08:11<KdeKris>Would rolling back mesa to an older version do anything?
08:11<KdeKris>Also, is it buster backports that have the newer kernel?
08:12<arto>KdeKris: is your system buster or strecth?
08:12<KdeKris>stretch
08:12<arto>KdeKris: so I would not install buster packages
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08:13<arto>and I even don't know, is testing has backports at all
08:13<KdeKris>I'm not on the testing branch
08:13<KdeKris>so just stretch-backports would be what I need then?
08:14<towo^work>KdeKris, yes
08:14<annadane>testing doesn't have backports, that's the point
08:14<annadane>the backports are from testing, compiled for stable
08:14<buyukadam>Hello all. I've a simple question. Let's assume I know a command but don't know the related package. For example I know there is a command called "ifconfig" or "sudo" but my machine doesn't have these. How can I find which package contains a specific command?
08:14<towo^work>KdeKris, but please can you provide all your installed mesa packages?
08:14<arto>annadane: yea, that probably would be sid
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08:15<petn-randall>buyukadam: You can install 'command-not-found', and if you type a program that's not installed, it will automagically tell you which package to install.
08:15<buyukadam>petn-randall: anyway to find this by packet manager? does dpkg has a feature for this?
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08:16<arto>buyukadam: petn-randall already gave you solution
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08:18<buyukadam>I see it. But I'm looking for a solution which implemented already in package manager
08:18<KdeKris>https://pastebin.com/ZQWAaxNt towo^work dpkg-query -l '*mesa*' results
08:18<petn-randall>buyukadam: You can use 'apt-file search <filename>', but you need to install apt-file first.
08:19<arto>buyukadam: you were given simple answer, why would you want to complicate it
08:19<towo^work>KdeKris, maybe you need libegl1-mesa-drivers also installed
08:19<grove>buyukadam: You can try `apt search <command>`, that might give you an idea, apart from that nothing is build in to the package system
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08:20<KdeKris>I swear to RNGesus if that fixes it, I'll buy you a steak dinner and beer.
08:21<KdeKris>I just finished installing. I'm going to reboot and check Xorg log.
08:21<buyukadam>hmm that's fine too. thank you. command-not-found keeps asking me to run update. I've already done it as root but still asking.
08:21<buyukadam>thank you all
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08:21<petn-randall>buyukadam: Sounds like you didn't do something right.
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08:21<petn-randall>buyukadam: Did it throw you an error when running 'update-command-not-found' as root?
08:22<petn-randall>buyukadam: Can you paste the whole output of it to https://paste.debian.net?
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08:22<babilen>Lovely .. kernel panic on all 3 of the R730xd boxes I just upgraded to 9.5. when booting linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64 in lieu of linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64
08:24<petn-randall>:)
08:24<babilen>If only these servers wouldn't take forever to boot to begin with (and £W$%$£%"£$ iDRAC!)
08:24<grove>The topic should be updated to refer to 9.5 instead of 9.4, dpkg already knows what to say
08:24<petn-randall>Or the RAID controller taking 5 minutes to do its dance.
08:25<babilen>Indeed
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08:25<babilen>grove: Ta
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08:25<grove>Ta?
08:25-!-mode/#debian [+o babilen] by ChanServ
08:25-!-babilen changed the topic of #debian to: Debian Stretch: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.5 ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch; /msg dpkg install stretch | Oldstable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.11 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | unstable: #debian-next | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog
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08:25<babilen>grove: British slang for "thank you"
08:26<petn-randall>grove: "thanks" in certain parts of England.
08:26<KdeKris>Nope, still nothing
08:28<grove>Okay, then I learned that today - now back to trying to find out why apt don't download the Packages file for new repos on that server
08:29<KdeKris>Xorg.0.log keeps showing the same thing. "Screen 0 is not DRI2 capable" "reverting to software rendering". Could it be hardware? Maybe the monitor on this laptop just can't do what the gpu wants it to.
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08:29<buyukadam>petn-randall: I'm sorry I keep disconnecting. problem was about apt-get update. I ran it. and then I ran update-command-not-found it worked well. thank you again but I've to leave. connection has many problems
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08:30<arto>KdeKris: what did you do?
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08:32<KdeKris>My last action was to install libegl1-mesa-drivers. Which affected zero change. Unless you're speaking of why I'm having this issue in the first place
08:32<KdeKris>In wich case, it was a gpu upgrade on my laptop
08:32<arto>KdeKris: from bpo?
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08:32<KdeKris>No, from stretch stable
08:33<arto>KdeKris: I'm not so sure, but I think they installed kernel, firmware (nonfree) and radeon driver, all from bpo, but dont' blame me
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08:34<towo^work>KdeKris, install the whome mesa-stack from stretch-backports
08:34<KdeKris>got any idea of an approximate time that they did this? I'm sure this channel keeps logs, and I could go through the logs and find it somewhere.
08:35<arto>KdeKris: in last week I'd say, use grep
08:36<annadane>actually on the subject of mesa i wanted to ask about that, if i wanted to install mesa from backports
08:36<annadane>i'm not sure what packages i'd need
08:39<KdeKris>arto use grep for?
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08:40<arto>KdeKris: radeon
08:40<annadane>i guess i'll just look at the source package and see what exists in backports compared to what i have in stretch and install those
08:41<annadane>from a tty so as not to screw up the graphical sessio
08:41<annadane>n
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08:41<KdeKris>Not sure I'm tracking. you said they installed kernel, firmware-nonfree and radeon from backports. and to use grep? I was asking about finding where they were helping someone do that here in #debian, thinking that you had mentioned it had been done earlier. Not sure the connection.
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08:42<KdeKris>Maybe my brain is fried.
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08:42<arto>KdeKris: sure you can read the log line by line, but that can take some time
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08:43<KdeKris>so you mean use grep here in #debian?
08:44<arto>KdeKris: topic says where channel is logged
08:44<KdeKris>or am I overthinking and confusing myself?
08:44<KdeKris>dpkg is the command that the topic says to use for logs.lol
08:44<dpkg>KdeKris: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
08:44<KdeKris>It might be.
08:45<annadane>oh, maybe mesa-utils
08:45<abrotman>dmesg you mean?
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08:47<arto>oh, /msg dpkg irclog does nothing on irssi
08:49<babilen>arto: It should send a private message to dpkg with the content "irclog" (at least it does for me)
08:49<babilen>(and has been for the last couple of years)
08:50<arto>babilen: I'm guite new on irssi, but not any sign on screen, well, time to read the manual
08:51<KdeKris>It's cool guys. I just went ahead and googled it, and I've already added stretch-backports as well as checked for available kernel updates.
08:52<KdeKris>seems the most recent kernel is 4.9+80+deb9u5.
08:52<arto>got it, http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/
08:52<arto>thanks babilen
08:53<KdeKris>there's about a dozen updates between my version and the most recent, is it okay to jump versions like that?
08:54<KdeKris>Wait, hold up, I read the list backwards. the newest would be 4.16.0.0.bpo.2-amd64 right?
08:55<babilen>.oO( Unless you have a Dell R730xd server )
08:56<KdeKris>babilen, no, I do not. Just read the list backwards and wasn't paying attention to any of the naming conventions. Just grabbed the bottom one and copy/pasted
08:57<babilen>arto: Did you find the "window" that opened in irssi?
08:57<arto>babilen: yes, there indeed was change on irssi status bas
08:58<arto>*bar
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08:59<babilen>arto: lovely :)
08:59<arto>babilen: thanks for support
09:00<annadane>i don't like those individual window things. i'm sure you can configure it to be more gui friendly
09:00<annadane>but this is what hexchat does well
09:00<arto>annadane: I used hexchat before, but more I use irssi, the more I like it
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09:04<arto>annadane: and the smartfilter plugin for irssi, it is just fine
09:07<arto>annadane: and I'm used to modes, I'm vim fanatic :)
09:11<annadane>i notice channel switching is very tedious on hex. i may finally learn how to customize irssi
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09:26<arto>KdeKris: still there? I think it was: http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/2018/07/11
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09:46<koftes>Hello
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09:46<arto>annadane: I've read there has been x-version for irssi, but it has not been updated for years
09:46<arto>!ask
09:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:47<annadane>well i don't care as long as i can easily see channels
09:48<annadane>not just "1" "2" "3"
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09:48<Anarka>yeah... i think default is still 1 2 3, i can see the channel name of the active channel rest is only numbers, but never tried to change
09:49<annadane>well i'm sure you can heavily customize everything
09:49<grove>I believe I once (but it's 10-15 years ago) used irssi-gtk, but he non-gui version had the advantage that I could have it running in a screen
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09:49<abhishek>ok
09:50<Anarka>yeah... then theres weechat, a lot newer, not using it but...
09:50<grove>I haven't tried customising that, bbut I have seen some customisation of that line
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09:50<arto>when I searched irssi plugins, many of them were just status for status bar
09:51<annadane>anyway, such is life. what do you do, either install the thing with most sane defaults or choose the thing where customizing whatever you want is trivial
09:51<grove>Over on one of my other channels is a guy that used to hack a lot on issi
09:51<arto>annadana: and the ultimate option, write you own app
09:52*annadane throws tab key at arto
09:52<koftes>Question: This is not a critical question but rather a curiosity: I came across a situation where a package's dependencies seem to be a function of what repositories are available. So, "apt-cache depends" shows 5 dependencies for the package, but after I add a new deb repository, it shows 7 dependencies for the same package. How could that situation arise?
09:52<arto>annadane: you've said that about n-times, this times my left little finger dis mishit
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10:22<grove>koftes: One explanation (and probably the most likely): Another package with the same name in the new repo, that has different dependencies - I would hesitate a lot to install that
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10:25<koftes>grove: no, the main package (that has the dependencies) is already installed on my system. What happens is that when I enable a new repository, two packages from that repo appear as additional dependencies to the main and want to be installed automatically.
10:27<koftes>To be clear, the two new packages are not newer versions of existing packages on my system (so upgrades); they are brand new packages.
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10:32<Brigo>koftes, it should not happen,if i undestand it right.
10:33<Brigo>koftes, that situation that a package shows a new dependencies with a new repository should not happen.
10:34<Brigo>well, maybe they are dependencies of dependencies.
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10:35<koftes>Brigo: that's what I would expect, but it's definitely happening. "Dependencies of dependencies" sounds like it would have the same problem: why weren't they required to begin with?
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10:37<Brigo>koftes, let say you have a program that depends on other, libexample, version > 1.2
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10:38<Brigo>you have 1.2 installed, but in the new repository there is a new version 1.3 that depens on a new pacakge libwhatever.
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10:38<Brigo>you get another dependency.
10:38<Brigo>is the only mechanism i can think of
10:39<aref32>can any body help with sound card issue witn this bunslab 32 bit
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10:40<koftes>Brigo: OK, that makes sense. But would the sub-dependencies be listed with "apt-cache depends"? E.g., if I did "apt-cache depends myprogram", would I see "Depends: libwhatever" or just "Depends: libexample"?
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10:41<Brigo>not really sure
10:41<KdeKris>arto, sorry, was afk for a bit. I'm looking through the log you linked now, as well as through some other things I found in google searching. I think I'm gonna do the kernel upgrade, plus firmware-linux-nonfree and mesa from backports
10:42<KdeKris>It also appears that I'll need to run the new kernel against linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 from bpo as well?
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10:43<koftes>Brigo: a quick tests suggests that sub-dependencies are not listed: I did "apt-cache depends" on a dependency package, and I saw packages that didn't appear in the original list.
10:44<koftes>*quick test
10:44<Brigo>koftes, then maybe the package is a new version with new dependencies?
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10:47<koftes>Brigo: that must be it! I only just noticed that the main package is among the ones being upgraded to a newer version by the new repository.
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10:49<koftes>It was a matter of asking the right questions! Thanks!
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10:50<Brigo>koftes, np
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10:51<KdeKris>I'm wondering if I can run all the upgrades at once with something like "sudo apt -t stretch-backports install linux-image-*version* firmware-linux-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-radeon firmware-amd-graphics"
10:52<KdeKris>Will it break anything? will it even pass through properly and be accepted as a propper command?
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10:53<Brigo>KdeKris, it should work
10:53<KdeKris>hmmm. I shouldn't need xserver-xorg-video-radeon though, as I don't have a radeon card. It's amd, sure, but it's a FirePro, not a radeon. So wouldn't the package be xserver-xorg-video-amd or so?
10:54<KdeKris>Or does that specification make a difference with that package or similar packages?
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11:00<KdeKris>A quick apt search "xserver-xorg-video" returns that I have xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu and xserver-xorg-video-radeon both installed. Do I even need both without a radeon card?
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11:04<arto>KdeKris: try aptitude why xserver-xorg-video-radeon
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11:07<KdeKris>bash: aptitude: command not found.
11:07<KdeKris>Is there similar way to do said command with apt or apt-get?
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11:07<arto>KdeKris: don't know, you can install aptitude
11:09<KdeKris>I just did. Figured that would be easier than looking for a work around.
11:09<KdeKris>It's finishing up the install now.
11:11<KdeKris>http://paste.debian.net/1034087/
11:11<KdeKris>It's a dependency for a few other packages related to xserver as well as kodi
11:12<arto>KdeKris: so I would leave installed then
11:13<KdeKris>Well, I wasn't planning on removing it. Just wondering why it's there if I don't have a radeon card.
11:13<arto>KdeKris: and just saw why
11:14<KdeKris>yup. I'm thinking now to stick with upgrading one thing at a time from bpo. Start with kernel, and work from there until either my problem is solved, or i hit a dead end.
11:15<arto>KdeKris: seems like a good plan
11:16<KdeKris>Guess I'm off to it then. Don't worry, I'll keep you guys posted if something breaks. haha
11:17<arto>KdeKris: good luck!
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11:22<KdeKris>So, if I'm reading this http://paste.debian.net/1034090/ correctly, the one I'm looking for (most recent) would be linux-image-4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
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11:26<highspeedrider>any user here.i want help
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11:26<annadane>highspeedrider, go ahead
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11:26<highspeedrider>hai annadane
11:27<highspeedrider>iam new user to linux
11:27<highspeedrider>i wnat help to learn penetration tesing
11:27<annadane>well, this is debian, not kali or parrot, so i'd probably try asking them
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11:28<highspeedrider>iam parrot user
11:28<annadane>!parrot
11:28<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
11:28<arto>KdeKris: headers are normally not needed if you are not building anything from source
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11:29<ach>BUMM
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11:30<highspeedrider>hei help me
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11:30<highspeedrider>guide ,,me
11:30<KdeKris>I'm not building the kernel from source, but I do occasionally build some other small packages from source. Usuall git repos, mesa, etc
11:30<KdeKris>Usually*
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11:30<annadane>highspeedrider, again, #debian is not for learning about pentesting, try asking the parrot community
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11:31<arto>KdeKris: so it's up to you, you can also install later if needed
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11:31<ach>!hello
11:31<dpkg>Hi, ach!
11:31<KdeKris>true. I'll save headers for later then.
11:32<KdeKris>highspeedrider. google is your friend. Not me. I have no clue about penetration testing or ParrotOS.
11:32<highspeedrider>ok
11:32<highspeedrider>tq
11:32<KdeKris>anyone else getting pms from this guy?
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11:32<KdeKris>says hes from india
11:33<arto>KdeKris: ignore him
11:33<KdeKris>Might be some kind of scammer or something. I'm blocking him
11:33<ach>fuck off google
11:34<highspeedrider>iam new to learn hacking so iam here for help ok
11:34<arto>ach: persnol opinion, though I'm using duckduckgo
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11:34<ach>**xoxoxoxo
11:34<arto>highspeedrider: how many times we have to tell you #parrot is the right channel for you
11:34<ach>ok :<
11:34<highspeedrider>helpme
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11:35<annadane>highspeedrider, i'll just give you one piece of general advice. (or maybe two. the first one being, #debian is a channel for debian, hence the name. not other things) hacking is a process you have to learn yourself, it can't be done in 5 minutes. if you can't even google, then don't bother with hacking
11:35<annadane>we told you already, please stop now
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11:38<ach>!hello
11:38<dpkg>Hi, ach!
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11:39<KdeKris>annadane, I just kept waiting for the stereotypical "show bob and vanene" from him. hahahahaha
11:39<arto>I ignored him minutes ago, just got tired
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11:40<KdeKris>he left the channel. I tend to use ignore as a last resort.
11:41<KdeKris>new kernel finished installing. brb
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11:44<ach>fuck off planet earth
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11:44<ach>ok
11:44<ach>!ok
11:44<KdeKris>kernel upgrade successful. Now to check if my issue is corrected.
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11:48<KdeKris>How do I check to see if my gpu is being used properly? I notice a lot of changes in Xorg.0.log, but not sure which is telling me what.lol
11:49<arto>KdeKris: run glxgears
11:49<petn-randall>KdeKris: Can you see something on the screen?
11:50<KdeKris>petn-randall I'm not sure what you mean? Because my issue was that everything was being run through software renderer instead of rendering on my gpu. Yes, i see stuff on my screen. I'm also on a laptop, so that's going to make a big difference there as well
11:51<KdeKris>arto. glxgears returns the same thing as before. gears in a windown and fps output in terminal
11:51<mikegrb>but is the fps much higher?
11:51<arto>KdeKris: fps number?
11:51<KdeKris>average 2000, same as before.
11:52<KdeKris>a bit higher actually
11:52<arto>KdeKris: so maybe continue updating
11:52<KdeKris>I'd average 2150-2200. Whereas, before, I had a few dips below 2k
11:53<KdeKris>I'm going to try to load steam and a game that's had huge fps drops since my hardware upgrade and see if theres a difference
11:54<arto>KdeKris: aproximately same count would indicate that you still have software acceleartion
11:54<GyrosGeier>there is also glxinfo
11:54<GyrosGeier>that will tell you "Direct rendering: Yes" if the drivers are working properly
11:55<arto>Hi GyrosGeier! (He is the guy who was helped here)
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11:56<GyrosGeier>hi arto
11:56<KdeKris>GyrosGeier, glxinfo shows "Direct Rendering: Yes" but also shows "OpenGL renderer string: llvmpipe (LLVM 3.9, 256 bits)"
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11:56<KdeKris>so it's using software rendering based on that line correct?
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11:58<arto>KdeKris: paste Xorg.0.log
11:59<KdeKris>arto http://paste.debian.net/1034096/
11:59<arto>KdeKris: but all suggest, as I said, you stil are on sw
12:00<KdeKris>I believe I am as well.
12:00<KdeKris>I'm trying to google how to force hardware
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12:02<arto>KdeKris: 48.748] (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
12:02<arto>KdeKris: or udpate driver from bpo
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12:03<arto>KdeKris: you just have newer kernel
12:03<KdeKris>I just saw that line as well. I'm gonna update drivers from bpo right after I get back from dinner
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12:06<KdeKris>I'm also going to try a complete reinstall of xorg after the driver update and see if that helps. Everything ran great, and it seemed to be using hardware rendering on my old gpu (I wouldn't be able to confirm that though, as I didn't run all these tests or look at Xorg.0.log before the upgrade). Maybe xorg just doesn't know how to play nice with the new hardware and needs a reinstall with new firmware in order to configure
12:06<KdeKris>itself properly
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12:07<arto>KdeKris: sometimes xorg.conf is needed, but I'd still try bpo driver
12:08<arto>KdeKris: since propably your gpu is newer than driver in debian stable
12:08<KdeKris>I think I'm just gonna go full tilt with the upgrade. Bpo drivers and firmware, plus xorg config and all.
12:09<KdeKris>I doubt the gpu is newer than the driver, the pc itself is like 5 years old, the gpu is AMD FirePro M6100
12:09<KdeKris>back in a few. dinner time.
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12:18<uso>I've found different recommendations about using the mount option "discard" and the fstrim command for SSDs. Does the mount option do the same as the fstrim command, just at a different time, or are there differences? Is one of them recommended over the other or should I use both, the mount option and the fstrim command in a (daily) cron job?
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12:23<grawity>afaik, same thing at a different time
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12:24<grawity>immediate discard may be slow (or very slow)
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12:24<grawity>there's a recent LWN article about plans to make it run on a background queue though
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12:25<grawity>but generally, a weekly fstrim cronjob has none of those problems (at least if the fs is permanently mounted)
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12:28<petn-randall>uso: discard option just TRIMs the moment the block get free. So when you delete a file, that range is immediately TRIMmed. That's usually what you want, but there are some buggy SSDs that will stall during that time. So try it out.
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12:30<uso>ok, so either the mount option or the cron job is enough, depending on the behavior of my SSD
12:31<uso>thanks grawity and petn-randall
12:31<grawity>also, question whether immediate trim is good for the ssd's health
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12:32<uso>grawity: any indicator where I can check that?
12:32<grawity>/shrug
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12:32<uso>at least the fstrim command does not count for filesystem lifetime writes
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12:34<uso>OK, I see different recommendations here too :), so perhaps the least intrusive method may be to run fstrim weekly
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12:39<GyrosGeier>that recommendation is old
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12:39<GyrosGeier>if you can get away with setting the discard option (and if you have LVM and/or LUKS, you also need to make sure TRIM is actually forwarded to the disk), then use that
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12:40<GyrosGeier>weekly fstrim is "I know it sucks, so let's make it suck while I'm asleep"
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12:41<GyrosGeier>tl;dr don't believe the Ubuntu forum
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12:42<annadane>*especially* don't believe the ubuntu forum results from 9 years ago
12:43<annadane>which is ~50% of all google searches
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12:47<GyrosGeier>the problem with the modern posts is that someone asks a question without googling, someone else then finds the old posts and copies them as new
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12:53<KdeKris>Okay. time to update firmware
12:54<Trident_Barclay>i like firm wares
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12:55<KdeKris>I do too. When they work properly.
12:55<arto>KdeKris: your last comment was eye opening, can you paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
12:55<KdeKris>arto, which comment?
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12:56<arto>KdeKris: that you are using not so modern gpu
12:56<KdeKris>Oh, gotcha. One second
12:57<KdeKris>cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf returns No such file or directory...
12:57<KdeKris>Smoking gun...question mark?
12:57<arto>KdeKris: so maybe time to do it. As I see, xorg for some reason tries to use radeon, which is not istalled
12:58<uso>As this is my first system with an SSD, I've mounted my filesystems with the noatime option, I have mounted /tmp to tmpfs and I'll add the cron job for fstrim. Any other recommendations to optimize my system for the SSD and reduce wear-out?
12:58<KdeKris>time to do what? Update firmware and reinstall xorg?
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12:59<arto>KdeKris: make xorg.conf to use driver amdgpu
12:59<KdeKris>gotcha. So, I'm just gonna take that whole statemen you just said, and use it for a google search. Maybe someone posted a guide or had the same issue.
13:00<piper>is that a intel/amd hybrid or no ? I had to leave earlier to see doctor
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13:01<arto>KdeKris: just trying to find example xorg.conf, you do your own searhc
13:01<KdeKris>piper, you mean my system?
13:01<piper>https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/8zalgs/issues_after_upgrade/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=branch_android_app&_branch_match_id=547801913616634841
13:01<piper>KdeKris: yes, sorry
13:01<KdeKris>Yes, hybrid. i7 2720qm cpu with amd firepro 6100 gpu.
13:02<KdeKris>Hey piper, thanks for linking my reddit post.
13:02<KdeKris>that's me.lmao
13:02<piper>thought so ;)
13:03<KdeKris>As you can see by the post, I've been working on this for a while.
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13:06<arto>KdeKris: man amdgpu
13:06<piper>KdeKris: if towo couldn't help on this matter, i have no clue, i only own a very old ati card on one machine
13:07<arto>KdeKris: and to be sure, install inxi, run inxi -G, post result
13:07<piper>inxi -xx -G
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13:09<KdeKris>I don't have /etc/X11/xorg.conf but I do have /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-amd.conf
13:09<KdeKris>not the same thing I'm assuming?
13:09<KdeKris>towo had me create it earlier.
13:09<piper>yes, that is correct
13:10<piper>where the conf should be that is
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13:10<arto>KdeKris: did you install inxi?
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13:11<arto>piper: inxi -G and inxi -xx -G gave exactly same results
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13:12<KdeKris>I got two different results with -xx and -G
13:12<arto>interesting
13:12<KdeKris>paste results in a second.
13:13<piper>arto: they are different http://paste.debian.net/1034112/
13:13<KdeKris>my -G results http://paste.debian.net/1034113/
13:13<piper>man inxi
13:14<piper>arto: you may have a older version
13:14<arto>piper; just checked, for me anyway I see the same
13:14<KdeKris>-xx results http://paste.debian.net/1034114/
13:14<arto>piper: debian 9.5 stretch
13:15<piper>KdeKris: inxi -xx -G run exactly
13:15<arto>KdeKris: is that all?
13:15<KdeKris>piper same results as inxi -G
13:15<KdeKris>arto, that was every bit of output from those commands.
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13:16<stephen77>Hi all
13:16<stephen77>I'm having problems with XFCE
13:16<stephen77>It completely ignores my primary monitor and opens dialogs on a different screen
13:17<piper>inxi version inxi: 3.0.18 (i do run sid)
13:17<KdeKris>It should have something else where it sayd "GLX Renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 3.9, 256 bits)" shouldn't it?
13:17<KdeKris>Something indicating hardware.
13:17<arto>KdeKris: ok, then post that 20-amd.conf
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13:19<KdeKris>http://paste.debian.net/1034118/
13:20<arto>KdeKris: ok, copy that to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
13:20<towo`>arto, no
13:20<KdeKris>piper, is sid the new, unstable version?
13:20<annadane>*cough* UCTION
13:20<towo`>arto, and he can't use amdgpu, since the kernel clearly uses radeon, not amdgpu kernel module
13:20<KdeKris>I don't even have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, what can it hurt towo`
13:21<towo`>KdeKris, you don't need it#+
13:21<arto>towo: and that is just the problem, he has no radeon, but radeon driver
13:21<towo`>arto, sure, hie has a radeon
13:21<towo`>arto, that card is a radeonsi card
13:22<arto>towo: why then software accelelration?
13:22<towo`>because egl can't be initialized
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13:24<towo`>this chip is from 2013, so it's supported by radeon driver, amdgpu is not supporting that chip i think
13:24<arto>KdeKris: amd had linux driver for that chip
13:25<arto>KdeKris: i did not check it
13:25<KdeKris>as in the old proprietary amdgpu-pro drivers?
13:25<towo`>it would be only fglrx and it's dead
13:25<KdeKris>Or that one.
13:26<arto>towo`: so you earlier spoke about that egl, can you continue?
13:26<towo`>arto, i only have read the x-log earlyer
13:26<KdeKris>the newer radeon or amdgpu drivers should support this card, as one of them was apparently supporting my old card, which ran perfectly, but wasn't supported by opengl 3.0 or newer.
13:27<towo`>KdeKris, if i would be you, i would tell that problem, inclusive the x-log in #radeon on freenode irc
13:27<towo`>KdeKris, fglrx is supporting that vard
13:27<towo`>KdeKris, but fglrx is dead, it won't work on newer kernel or xorg versions
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13:28<KdeKris>I'll jump over there now. Feel free to follow along with the fun.lmao
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13:29<arto>towo`: xorg.conf, driver radeon, Option "Accel" on ?
13:30<towo`>should not be nessesary
13:30<towo`>since x is activating glamor
13:30<towo`>and glx
13:30<piper>annadane: i also run pure debian sid
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13:31<annadane>i am shocked and appalled
13:31<arto>towo`: can you say why KdeKris's ingi -G showd so little?
13:32<arto>*inxi -G
13:32<piper>annadane: why ?
13:32<annadane>no reason. just yanking your chain, as usual
13:32<towo`>arto, what should it show more?
13:32<piper>annadane: sorry my meds aren't keeping up
13:33<arto>towo`: for me it shows card, driver, Resolution, GLX Renderer and GLX Version
13:34<towo`>arto, there too?
13:34<KdeKris>so, maybe it's not #radeon...maybe ##radeon?
13:34<towo`>http://paste.debian.net/1034113/
13:34<KdeKris>Because I'm the only one in #radeon, and I'm an operator. hahaha
13:34<towo`>KdeKris, no, it's #radeon
13:34<towo`>KdeKris, freenode is another network, you know?
13:35<KdeKris>I'm on freenode...?
13:35<annadane>you're on oftc
13:35<towo`>KdeKris, no, on oftc.net
13:35<KdeKris>Why does Konversation show freenode as my network?
13:35<arto>KdeKris: now it seems different :)
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13:37<KdeKris>I'm an idiot. I used the default "freenode" connection built into Konversation which connects to irc.debian.org.
13:37<KdeKris>I should be connecting to irc.freenode.net
13:37<arto>KdeKris: maybe I mixed the links, sorry towo`
13:39<KdeKris>arto, what links?
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13:40<arto>KdeKris: towo` said xorg.conf is not needed (he clearly knows more than I), but I would try xorg.conf: driver radeon, Opion "Accel" on, probapbly towo` sais no point
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13:42<KdeKris>Oh, gotcha
13:43<piper>xorg.conf has been depreciated for many years, however, there are some exceptions
13:43<arto>piper: for example if xorg loads wrong driver
13:44<piper>in windows ;)
13:44<KdeKris>great, try posting to #radeon on freenode, get [19:43] [404] KdeKris #radeon Cannot send to channel
13:44<towo`>arto, then even you should use /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/foo.conf
13:44<KdeKris>wtf
13:44<arto>piper: xorg, windows?, ok channel is #debian, don't answer
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13:45<arto>KdeKris, there foo.conf
13:45<tda>is anyone having problems with icloud.com with firefox? when i go to it i get this SEC_ERROR_OCSP_INVALID_SIGNING_CERT but it works on other distros and devices
13:46<towo`>KdeKris, afaik you need a registered account on freenode for posting in #radeon
13:47<piper>arto: i will answer anytime
13:48<KdeKris>I have a registered account there, just not this nick
13:48<KdeKris>Ill do that in a bit. lets see what #debian can do.
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13:50<arto>tda: icloud.com "browser not supported"
13:52<arto>tda: tried with qupzilla, I don't even have firefox installed in this steam machine
13:54<tda>thanks
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13:59<piper>works fine in firefox nightly
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14:03<piper> icloud.com uses 50-60% CPU
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14:15<arto>icloud work also Chromium
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15:30<soda_hobart>Hi everybody, sorry if this is a babyish question, but why is there no longer a current metapackage for wine in the repos?
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15:31<annadane>in what sense?
15:31<annadane>"wine" itself does exist
15:33<soda_hobart>Really? I must be "tripping", but I could have sworn that I've installed it through synaptic or just "apt-get install wine"
15:33<annadane>you can check if it's installed via dpkg -l wine
15:33<annadane>and you very likely also want the wine32 package
15:34<piper>https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian
15:34<annadane>after dpkg --add-architecture i386
15:34<soda_hobart>Yeah, I did all that stuff, enabled the i386 architecture and got wine32 and wine64
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15:34<piper>as a gamer, and grankids that game
15:34<annadane>the general procedure is dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt update && apt install wine wine32
15:35<soda_hobart>that's what I did and I also attempted to add the winehq repository, but I think I'm getting some kind of error with that
15:35<Trident_Barclay>any gays in ?
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15:36<annadane>anyway, what's the real issue? why did you ask the question? did you try opening a game and it didn't open? apt doesn't display the package?
15:37<somiaj>soda_hobart: there is both wine and wine-development in the debian repos, and in stretch-backports. And winehq packages are fairly sane and have packages built for both stretch and buster/sid.
15:37<Trident_Barclay>very apt
15:37<soda_hobart>it doesn't launch if I try to open a package with it
15:38<soda_hobart>or an .exe, I mean
15:38<somiaj>open a package? As for using wine to run a specific software, you should use the winehq database and look for workarounds.
15:38<Trident_Barclay>iv been trying to get wine to wor kwith some programs for over 12 hours.. didnt manage
15:38<somiaj>not all .exe files will run nicely with wine.
15:38<sarnold>"it" "doesn't launcH" "open a package" "with it".. all those need definitions :)
15:38<somiaj>some programs just don't work with wine.
15:38<Trident_Barclay>2 of my simple ones did.. and two more complex one sabsolutely did not
15:39<somiaj>wine is hit and miss, and totally dependent on the software. We can help you install wine in debian properly, either using debian's packages. We can't really support winehq's packages, but they work okay and have newer versions if needed. As for actually using wine to run a particular piece of software, you'll have to seek wine support, and the first place I would check is the winehq database for the
15:39<somiaj>app/program you are trying to run.
15:39<soda_hobart>oh I know, I've been using wine for a long time, I'm trying to get Baldur's Gate to run on my girlfriend's laptop so she will stop using mine because it runs on wine on there (Mint 18.3)..
15:40<Trident_Barclay>paintshop pro x5 and lightreoom 5.. i need em. but no chance
15:40<annadane>also if you launch it from the terminal it should tell you any error messages
15:40<Trident_Barclay>oh well... virtual box it is
15:40<Trident_Barclay>plus i cant even use wine fro mtermoinal .. far to complex
15:40<Trident_Barclay>i have to use 'playon lonux' gui
15:41<soda_hobart>What I think I need to do is uninstall what I've got installed and get the winehq repository properly added, and then re-install it and I think it will work.
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15:41<soda_hobart>But I'm not totally clear on how to uninstall everything, like do I need to uninstall the i386 stuff too?
15:42<Trident_Barclay>no idea soda.. linux is not for casuals
15:42<Trident_Barclay>hope ure willing ot dig deep
15:42<Trident_Barclay>im not
15:44<annadane>well before you uninstall the kitchen sink maybe first see what the terminal output is when you try to run the exe
15:45<somiaj>Trident_Barclay: you may want to look at crossover office and purchase that, it is known to work better and get paid support for office and photoshop, and maybe paintshop. You should be able to enquire if that software is supported by it first.
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15:45<somiaj>soda_hobart: no, you just need to use the alternative system so wine points at the version you want, or better you can call the specific version of wine you want from winehq in /opt/
15:45<Trident_Barclay>yea. its an option. but i dont like having to pay for it. iv ealready got the doftware
15:46<Trident_Barclay>i just use windows. or virutal machine.. but my virtual machine unfortunately takes 20gb
15:46<Trident_Barclay>wats of ssd space just for a few editing programs
15:46<Trident_Barclay>waste*
15:46<somiaj>Trident_Barclay: anyways, we can't really support windows software here, if wine isn't working for that (which wine often lags way behind on office type support), crossover office is about the best option. A vm might work, or dual boot too.
15:46<Trident_Barclay>i have both dualk and vm
15:47<piper>apt purge '^(lib)?wine.*' -s and post the output, this is just a simulation (-s)
15:47<Trident_Barclay>was trying to get it all under linux tho.. to free up my 20gb as i mentioned
15:47<piper>paste not post
15:47<somiaj>but they are mostly off support here. If you are wanting to look into wine support for the software you are using, look for a winehq channel (think there is one on freenode) or winehq database is the best option.
15:47<tda>also using virtualbox+windows. wine never worked for me. havent used it in years, but i doubt much has changed
15:48<Trident_Barclay>i can use wine for very small interactive fiction interpreter programs
15:48<Trident_Barclay>but anything bigger... no luck
15:48<Trident_Barclay>vm is definately bvetter
15:48<Trident_Barclay>just takes too much space
15:48<somiaj>tda: wine is really hit and miss, it works on somethings but not others for me.
15:48<tda>whats an interactive fiction interpreter?
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15:49<Trident_Barclay>text adventures .. written by people, and played through apps like glulxe or frotz
15:49<soda_hobart>oh it's working now. I guess re-installing it did the trick. Thanks!
15:49<annadane>!next
15:49<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
15:50<somiaj>soda_hobart: update-alternatives may have fixed it too, though I often have multiple versions of wine installed in /opt and call the specific version I need, and not just use the link /usr/bin/wine via the alternatives system.
15:51<piper>soda_hobart: if you ever need to uninstall, this works well http://paste.debian.net/1034144/
15:51<Trident_Barclay>george stobbart
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16:34<ryouma>i frequently get confused trying to find the generic term for a program for update-alternatives
16:34<annadane>if you keep tabbing it will show you all options
16:34<annadane>update-alternatives <tab> <tab> <tab>
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16:35<ryouma>oh, i don't use bash completions
16:35<ryouma>interesting
16:35<ryouma>annadane: but i can find them by going to some subtree of symlinks or something. but i still get confused.
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16:36<annadane>i just basically remember which ones through osmosis and irc lurking
16:36<annadane>and only use like 3 of them anyway
16:38<somiaj>ryouma: ls /etc/alternatives lists all the links
16:38<somiaj>or man update-alternatives
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16:41<ryouma>yeah, it's not an issue as my selections are static, but i recall being confused doing both of those
16:42<stkum>This might not be a Debian problem specifically, but how do I stop the KDE update thing from running without me asking for it? I just had to reinstall my system after it absolutely destroyed itself, uninstalled my entire desktop along with my network devices, I think it runs dist-upgrade without me asking.
16:42<ryouma>(right now i am much more confused by the differences among, or connections between, or total orthogonality of, dpkg's force-confold type options, ucf, and debconf. are these all orthogonal systems? are all packages subject to all of them?)
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16:44<ryouma>stkum: that sounds like something that should not occur
16:44<annadane>stkum, dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades
16:44<ryouma>ah
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16:44<annadane>and yeah it *shouldn't* be a kde thing
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16:46<stkum>annadane: thank you
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16:47<annadane>unless it uses the same thing?
16:47<annadane>idk
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17:27<adhawkins>Hi all. Just updated one of my XCP hosted VMs to the latest stable. As expected, it failed to boot, so I added 'pti=off' to the kernel command line, which resolved this.
17:28<adhawkins>However, it now fails to mount my nfs mounts (listed in fstab) at boot. If I run 'mount -a' as root after boot, they are successfully mounted.
17:28<adhawkins>Any suggestions?
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17:47<mnuhmnuh>rstart nfsd?
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17:48<mnuhmnuh>perhaps those fs's were left unclean and need fsck? no, not if mount -a fixes ... :-|
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17:58<adhawkins>mnuhmnuh: I don't think it can be anything on the server side. Only the client has had any updates.
17:58<adhawkins>I haven't updated the server yet.
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17:59<mnuhmnuh>nfs is notorious for getting easily confused.
17:59<adhawkins>Well, when I revert the client back to before the updates, it all starts working again...
17:59<mnuhmnuh>re mounting.
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18:01<adhawkins>Don't see how it can really be getting confused when I'm rebooting the client each time to test.
18:01<adhawkins>And it worked fine before the update. Failed afterwards, then worked again after reverting.
18:01<adhawkins>I rebooted between each step.
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18:13<mnuhmnuh>compare the output of aptitude search '~dnfs ~i' in both systems.
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18:21<ryouma>everything uuid?
18:22<ryouma>(ignorant guess)
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21:06<drakonis>is there an package change feed?
21:10<sarnold>drakonis: would these work? e.g. http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/source/Sources.diff/
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21:13<somiaj>drakonis: what do you mean by package change feed? something like apt-listchanges?
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21:23<drakonis>no
21:23<drakonis>i mean that i can view which packages were recently altered in the repositories
21:23<drakonis>a real time feed of package changes
21:23<drakonis>i can just sit down and watch the changes get posted
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21:25<drakonis>a bus, shall we call it
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21:26<ryouma>aptitude search '~N'
21:27<drakonis>that doesn't really help
21:28<drakonis>that just listed every package
21:28<ryouma>then you query
21:28<ryouma>dunno, just a suggestion
21:29<drakonis>that's kinda off what i asked
21:29<drakonis>what i asked is something that's monitoring in real time any changes to packages
21:29<sarnold>there's also https://lists.debian.org/debian-changes/ but I think I'd go with the apt diffs instead, they look easier to parse than mail lists.
21:30<drakonis>looks like just stable anyways
21:32<ryouma>there are mail tools, like formail
21:33*ryouma is purging a lot of packages. hope this will not cause disaster.
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22:29<vit>mppre
22:29<sarnold>if that's a nickserv password you should probably change it; and if it is, make it better, too..
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