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00:22<dedernemoj>hi. looking to install current firefox as per debian wiki, but it have a question. is debian using esr in stretch more of a security or a stability issue. i it safe if i use firefox current as per wiki debian instrucionts?
00:29<dedernemoj>jepte se bagro šugava
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00:39<tomg>i think they're about the same in security
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00:39<tomg>as long as updates are applied, dedernemoj
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00:52<twb>If /etc/machine-info PRETTY_HOSTNAME=<the snowman unicode codepoint>, is it viable to set /etc/hostname to the punycode of that codepoint?
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00:56<adminewb>seems there's some difficulty with an nfs host exporting with v2/3 config in /etc/exports, while a stretch client on the other end is mounting using v4 nfs; how do I make the nfs mount use v3 instead?
00:57<adminewb>there's a cryptic error message on the mounting, will get a paste of it
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00:57<jm_>if you read man 5 nfs it says client already tries 4, 3, 2 - hmm?
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00:59<twb>adminewb: I know about this
00:59<twb>adminewb: you are trying to connect a stretch NFS client to an old (e.g. 2010-era) NFS server?
01:00<adminewb>twb just configured it today
01:00<adminewb>neither host nor client has a working history of nfs mounts
01:01<adminewb>the server is LMDE 2.0, derived from jessie
01:01<twb>Last time I tested this, which was ubuntu 10.04 NFS server and debian 7 or 8 client, it would auto-detect that NFSv4 was nonviable and downgrade to NFSv3, but this process took about 60 seconds
01:01<adminewb>could boot it to stretch instead if that may matter
01:01<twb>adding nfsvers=3 to the fstab made that delay go away
01:01<jm_>yeah that matches what man page says
01:01<adminewb>ok i see
01:02<twb>If both sides are running stretch, or buster, they should auto-negotiated NFSv4.0 or NFSv4.2
01:02<twb>Note that 100% of NFS documentation says you need to do a bunch of extra crap for NFSv4 --- this is a lie, it *can* run in traditional "just export /srv/foo to /srv/foo, with plain IDs, no username mapping, no kerberos"
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01:03<twb>If you *want* idmap and/or kerberos, you do need to mess around a bit. Otherwise, just treat it as you would NFSv3 and it should auto-upgrade
01:03<adminewb>could change /etc/exports to do v4 parameters instead, it's just the kerberos sample looked creepy
01:03<twb>jessie clients can be forced up to nfsvers=4.2 which will give a minor speedup in typical deployments
01:03<adminewb>ok
01:03<twb>adminewb: yes, if you don't care about kerberizing, ignore their gss examples
01:04<twb> /srv/porn 10.0.0.0/8(rw,sync,root_squash,subtree_check)
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01:04<adminewb>it's a point to point ethernet, crypto is not an issue
01:04<twb> /srv/live 10.0.0.0/8(ro,async,no_root_squash,nohide,no_subtree_check,insecure_locks)
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01:04<twb>^ those will do NFSv4 just fine
01:05<adminewb>i see
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01:06<adminewb>it's possible that a backport kernel on the host end is complicating things needlessly
01:06<adminewb>let me find that error message
01:07<twb>oh also
01:07<twb>nfs-utils 1.2 is completely broken on jessie if you're using systemd
01:08<twb>you need 1.3 for working systemd integration
01:08<adminewb>oh, oops
01:08<twb>When I had jessie I worked around that by hand-writing all my own units, it was a pain
01:08<adminewb>booting systemd, ya
01:09<adminewb>backport kernel is not all that old though
01:09<twb>both server and client use the NFS implementation in the kernel, but also rely on some userland support from rpcbind and nfs-utils
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01:11<adminewb>http://paste.debian.net/1034330/
01:12<adminewb>will try to reboot jessie host without systemd
01:13<adminewb>appreciate all the info
01:14<adminewb>that error consistent with your considerations on systemd / jessie?
01:14<twb>adminewb: are you doing this in the ramdisk?
01:14<adminewb>physical SDD
01:14<adminewb>SSD sorry
01:14<twb>I mean: are you trying to mount the root filesystem on NFS
01:15<twb>getent hosts abs ==> 1.2.3.4
01:15<adminewb>the host has an SSD mounted at /media/share
01:15<adminewb>oh i put a line for hostname into /etc/hosts
01:16<twb>mount -t nfs -o nfsvers=4.2 1.2.3.4:/media/share /mnt/umount-me
01:16<adminewb>ok
01:16<twb>It would not surprise me if GUI stuff that mounts under /media deliberately blocks what you are trying to do
01:16<twb>Mount the SSD by hand
01:16<adminewb>was hoping to not need to hardcode the client/server numeric addresses outside /etc/hosts files
01:16<twb>adminewb: we are testing so we keep it simple at first
01:17<adminewb>hmm
01:17<twb>adminewb: you can put features back in once it's working at all
01:17<adminewb>i can manually mount stuff at /media/xxx, have done so many times
01:17<adminewb>not nfs mounts though
01:18<twb>adminewb: don't do that, /media is reserved for the GUI
01:18<adminewb>k
01:18<twb>adminewb: as the sysadmin, your ad-hoc mounts belong in /mnt
01:18<twb>permanent mounts go in places like /srv or /home, relevant to whatever it is
01:18<adminewb>i see
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01:18<twb>In this case it *probably* doesn't matter
01:18<twb>Now the other obvious thing to check is if you ran "exportfs -rav" after editing /etc/exports
01:19<jm_>also see if showmount/rpcinfo works
01:19<adminewb>haven't done that no
01:19<twb>good idea
01:19<twb>adminewb: then it's not exported
01:19<twb>adminewb: which explains the error you saw
01:19<adminewb>but the system was rebooted, so...
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01:19<twb>oh well it should run "exportfs -rav" equivalent at boot time
01:20<twb>I would still run it by hand
01:20<adminewb>k
01:20<adminewb>will have to continue this line of inquiry later though, past due to sleep
01:21<adminewb>thanks for all the troubleshooting
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06:03<bOOb>Hi, I am nOOb. I am using raspbian on raspberry. I can not install any package using apt-get install... even synaptic package. All time if I want install by sudo apt-get install by terminal...it return me errorr raport:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
06:04<bOOb>the "fgets" function returned an empty string from "/var / lib / dpkg / triggers / File"
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06:04<bOOb>I can not find answer how to solve this in any place even in debian manual
06:05<Gaijin_>how to install wine ?
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06:05<bOOb>to..all package has the same errorr raport
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06:06<arto>!raspbian
06:06<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
06:06<bOOb>Ok
06:06<bOOb>Thank you.
06:06<annadane>Gaijin_, dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt update && apt install wine wine32
06:07<bOOb>Ok I will try thank you.
06:07<bOOb>I have read that raspbian is just debian witch lxde and less minimal library and its just
06:07<bOOb>Thansk All
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06:09<Gaijin_>thank you for the help :)
06:09<grove>!based on debian
06:09<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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06:13<Gaijin_>i have problem with my video card driver how to install it?
06:16<annadane>Gaijin_, this is all quite vague. what problems, and install what?
06:16<arto>bOOb: It's not that, I use both Debian and Rasbian, and the changes are more profound
06:17<Gaijin_>i want to install my video card driver
06:17<arto>bOOb: so please respect what you been told, we talk here only about debian
06:17<arto>Gaijin_: what video card?
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06:18<Gaijin_>Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express
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06:19<arto>Gaijin_: I have exactly same gpu, it only need driver intel
06:20<annadane>generally unless you need proprietary drivers in debian you don't "need" to install anything
06:20<Gaijin_>yes i try to install the driver but its only for windows xp
06:20<annadane>well, first of all, if you're trying to install from external websites, stop
06:20<annadane>that's not recommended practice
06:20<arto>excatly, I had to do nothing after installation, inxi just shows it it using intel driver
06:21<annadane>you shouldn't need to do anything... why do you think you need to install something? any particular problems you're trying to solve?
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06:22<Gaijin_>i can set the resolution screen
06:22<Gaijin_>cant
06:22<annadane>via what method?
06:22<arto>Gaijin_: default usually is the best your display can do
06:23<Gaijin_>ok
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06:23<jm_>check what your current resolution is and what monitor supports
06:24<arto>Gaijin_: install inxi
06:25<bOOb>Hi, I am nOOb. I am using raspbian on raspberry. I can not install any package using apt-get install... even synaptic package. All time if I want install by sudo apt-get install by terminal...it return me errorr raport:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) [10:11] <bOOb_> the "fgets" function returned an empty string from "/var / lib / dpkg / triggers / File"
06:26<jm_>bOOb: Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
06:26<arto>bOOb: you seem not to understand
06:26<bOOb>ops sory
06:27<annadane>!don't break debian
06:27<dpkg>somebody said dont break debian was https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
06:27<annadane>Gaijin_, ^
06:27<bOOb>I mistakes chats -sory
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06:28<arto>DontBreakDebian is exellent article
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06:29<bOOb>OFFtopic So...is it possible to use on raspberry pi clear repo of debian?
06:29<arto>bOOp: go tho #rasbian, please
06:30<jm_>bOOb: it is with certain rpi models
06:30<jm_>bOOb: see http://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi
06:31<bOOb>Thank you for this two links
06:31<arto>bp: but rasbian is made for raspberry, best option
06:31<bOOb>Ok...Thanks and sorry
06:31<bOOb>Best Regards
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07:52<abdul>hello
07:53<annadane>hi. question?
07:54<abdul>yeah i'm kind of having problem with my tor browser its not working
07:54<annadane>okay, how so?
07:55<grove>!doesn't work
07:55<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
07:56<abdul>i tried running it but its not running and sometimes i try to download and install but its still not working i don't know or maybe its from the system
07:56<annadane>ok well first, how did you install it?
07:57<jm_>did you follow https://wiki.debian.org/TorBrowser ?
07:57<abdul>no i did not i'm actually new to parrot
07:58<annadane>!parrot
07:58<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
07:58<clkw>lol
07:59<abdul>dpkg okay
07:59<dpkg>Don't talk back to me or you're going to be sorry!
07:59<annadane>^ dpkg is only a bot
08:00<abdul>dpkg is definitely a harsh bot then
08:00<dpkg>abdul: no idea
08:01<annadane>if you're going to use parrot be careful, it's risky running pentesting distributions for a desktop
08:01<annadane>i used to say "don't do it" but whatever, it's up to the user
08:01<abdul>okay annadane thanks
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08:12<lomig>Hi, is there something wrong with the jessie's phpmyadmin package ? I supposed the configs present in /etc/phpmyadmin were default configs and the effective ones were in /var/lib/phpmyadmin/ and could be written by the setup script but it won't since it checks for the /etc (default ?) configs to see if some already exist
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08:22<peter1138>Hi, is it possible to switch bonding from arp monitoring to mii monitoring, while the bond interface is running?
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08:46<petn-randall>peter1138: Probably not, but try it and see.
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08:52<peter1138>I don't know how :-)
08:53<peter1138>I know ifenslave links interfaces to the bond, but not how the bond is configured.
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12:54<G0>hi guys
12:55<G0>anyone uses amd RYZEN cpu´s here?
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13:06<petn-randall>G0: Probably many people. Better to ask your real question.
13:06<G0>ok :)
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13:07<G0>best ddr4 for ryzen cpu/apu for overclock
13:07<G0>for best match software and hardware performance
13:08<G0>samsung b-die chip are expensive
13:08<G0>debian and amd ryzen :)
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13:24<sim590>My TTy windows are black. How do I enable them ?
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13:29<Brigo_>sim590, they should be enabled by default
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13:36<WJA709>Hi, I have a debian stretch system(9.5) with a dependancy problem. I want to install ghostscript, but i'm getting the following error " libcupsimage2 : Depends: libcups2 (= 2.2.1-8+deb9u1) but 2.2.1-8+deb9u2 is to be installed". libcups2 is already installed as a dependancy of samba-libs, " libcups2 is already the newest version (2.2.1-8+deb9u2)."
13:38<WJA709>Do i just need to wait for ghostscript/libcupsimage2 to sort out its dependancies in the repository?
13:38<blast007>does the issue go away if you run an 'apt update' and try again?
13:38<WJA709>no
13:38<WJA709>the system is up to date otherwise
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13:38<petn-randall>!bat
13:38<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
13:38<petn-randall>WJA709: Can you provide *all* of the info above? ^^^
13:39<retrospectacus>,v libcups2
13:39<judd>Package: libcups2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.5.3-5+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1.5.3-5+deb7u8; jessie-security: 1.7.5-11+deb8u1; jessie: 1.7.5-11+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 2.2.1-8+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.2.1-8+deb9u1; buster: 2.2.8-4; sid: 2.2.8-4; experimental: 2.3~b5-1
13:41<retrospectacus>where did you get deb9u2 ? ... nvm, the !bat output will tell us :D
13:41<WJA709>it came down ith samba-libs
13:41<WJA709>with*
13:41<blast007>seems judd is a bit out of date on that info as 2.2.1-8+deb9u2 shows July 11th on the Debian changelog
13:41<koollman>I'm automating pxe install with debian stretch / preseed. is there a documented way to choose interface while knowing the mac (but not the name) ?
13:44<sim590>Brigo_: Okay. May be a graphic card issue ? I see some weird pixel where there should be login prompt.
13:45<WJA709>heres the pastebin: http://paste.debian.net/1034417/
13:48<Brigo_>WJA709, could this be the problem (line 33) E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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13:49<furrymcgee>what interface with preseed?
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13:50<blast007>WJA709: what is the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file? seems like you may be missing security.debian.org at the very minimum
13:51<manoj>hlo
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13:52<WJA709>i do not have a security.debian.org, just stretch and stretch-updates, i'll try that
13:52<blast007>WJA709: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list (the deb-src lines aren't needed unless you're wanting to pull package source code)
13:52<blast007>and if you have non-free, you probably also want contrib
13:54<WJA709>adding security.debian.org fixed it. Thanks blast007!
13:55<koollman>furrymcgee: sorry, network interface.
13:56<koollman>I can use interface=eno1 or interface=eth0, but I would really like to get some variation of hwinterface=00:11:22:33:55:66
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14:28<furrymcgee>koollman: netcfg should read the mac from kernel cmdline #826844
14:28<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/826844 in netcfg (closed): «netcfg ignoring BOOTF= in kernel cmdline»; severity: important; opened: 2016-06-09; last modified: 2016-11-28.
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14:35<koollman>furrymcgee: thank you ... but then I do not understand the behavior I got. But that's a different problem, will try again with more debug :)
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18:37<raidensnake>does anyone know how to prevent a program from looping on startup after it's run using an x window
18:38<raidensnake>when i try to close the program it auto starts again
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18:41<alone>hola
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18:42<raidensnake>any x program i set to autostart loops when i either want to change something or quit
18:42<sarnold>raidensnake: you could use execsnoop or similar tools to try to figure out what process is starting the one you're trying to kill
18:43<raidensnake>it's the x server doing it
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18:43<raidensnake>I have an autostartup program set to run with nodm and openbox
18:44<raidensnake>the progran starts like it should but if I quit it it auto restarts without me doing anything
18:44<change>you need a cockfile
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18:45<raidensnake>the funny part is if I delete the autostart entry after it's first executed it doesn't loop.
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18:48<raidensnake>but then I have to put it back if i want autostart it again
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19:09<mnuhmnuh>raidensnake: i just have a bunch of progs in ~/.Xclients which is run by any wm i run. no fiddly little wm specific !@#$ necessary.
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19:16<boz>hey
19:17<mnuhmnuh>though you do need to figure out how to get ea. wm to run it (eg. ~/.fluxbox/startup). grr.
19:17<raidensnake>are there anyway of preventing loops?
19:19<mnuhmnuh>"if [ "$APP" != "" ]; then ..." # bon chance. this is wm specific behavior you're trying to over-ride. each wm's different.
19:20<mnuhmnuh>or app specific! gkrellm's config handles whether or not to allow multiple instances.
19:22<mnuhmnuh>you could stuff "`pgrep $app`" in that if test above. it has nice return codes.
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21:58<shnatsel>Hello! I'm trying to find out what versions of package `rustc` are shipped in Debian oldstable, stable and testing. Sadly, packages.debian.net currently down for maintenance. Is there any other way to look up the versions, short of spinning up a VM with Debian?
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21:59<sarnold>https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
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22:00<sarnold>https://packages.debian.org/ -- note the .org
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22:00<sarnold>I fall for the .net one every few weeks.
22:00<shnatsel>Ah, it's .org! Thanks a lot!
22:01<sarnold>yw :)
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22:06<bird>你好
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22:56<wuser>i have just finished installing a new copy of debian stretch on my laptop and i personal think that somthing may have went wrong with the install and also when i go to open the terminal the curser turns to the round clock like object with the spinning status center but the terminal never launches
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22:57<wuser>is there a way to check and see if the copy of debian i install on my computer installed properly ?
22:58<wuser>i dont know what it is but somthing about it just dosnt feel right to me
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23:00<wuser>is there a command i can run to check and see if somthing is wrong or should i just start over and reinstall the whole operating system ?
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23:04<wuser>sney you think you maybe able to help or know what may be going on ?
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23:08<keycollector>Is there a command to echo the current desktop environment? Doesnt seem to be a vaiable for it.
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23:08<keycollector>I need a command to ensure that end users are running KDE as their current desktop environment.
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23:27<mnuhmnuh>i see DESKTOP_SESSION=fluxbox in "set" output.
23:28<mnuhmnuh>and GDMSESSION=fluxbox
23:29<mnuhmnuh>and XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=fluxbox
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