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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-07-23

---Logopened Mon Jul 23 00:00:17 2018
---Daychanged Mon Jul 23 2018
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00:20-!-AndroUser2 is "Android IRC Client" on #debian
00:20<AndroUser2>!!uncl
00:20<SuperDome>[!!UNCL]United Nations Country Listings A-Z: [!!UN_cla]Country List: A : - [!!UN_clB]Country List: B : - [!!UN_CLC]Country List: C : - [!!UN_clD]Country List: D : - [!!UN_clE]Country List: E : - [!!UN_clF]Country List: F : - [!!UN_clG]Country List: G : -
00:20<SuperDome>[!!UNCL]United Nations Country Listings A-Z: [!!UN_clH]Country List: H : - [!!UN_clI]Country List: I : - [!!UN_clJ]Country List: J : - [!!UN_clK]Country List: K : - [!!UN_clL]Country List: L : - [!!UN_clM]Country List: M : - [!!UN_clN]Country List: N : - [!!UN_clO]Country List: O :
00:20<SuperDome>[!!UNCL]United Nations Country Listings A-Z: [!!UN_clP]Country List: P : [!!UN_clQ]Country List: Q : [!!UN_clR]Country List: R : [!!UN_clS]Country List: S : - [!!UN_clT]Country List: T : - [!!UN_clU]Country List: U : - [!!UN_clV]Country List: V : - [!!UN_clY]Country List: Y : - [!!UN_clZ]Country List: Z :
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00:20-!-libregeekingkid is "libregeekingkid" on #hackbeach #packaging #debian-ruby #debian-js #debian-browserify #debian-derivatives #debian-til #debian-in #debian #debian-rust #debian-next #debian-diaspora #fsci #debian-boot #hamara
00:20<AndroUser2>!!un_clu
00:20<SuperDome>[!!UN_clU]Country List:U:[!!UN_uga]Uganda -[!!UN_ukr]Ukraine - [!!UN_uae]United Arab Emirates -[!!UN_uko]United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland -[!!UN_urt]United Republic of Tanzania* -[!!UN_usa]United States of America -[!!UN_uru]Uruguay- [!!UN_uzb]Uzbekistan -
00:21<AndroUser2>!!un_usa
00:21<SuperDome>[!!UN_usa]Country: United States of America -http://www.usunnewyork.usmission.gov/
00:21<SuperDome>[!!UN_usa]Address:799 UN Plaza, New York, NY 10017
00:21<SuperDome>[!!UN_usa]Phone Contact: (212) 415-4000
00:22<AndroUser2>!un_uko
00:22<AndroUser2>!!un_uko
00:22<SuperDome>[!!UN_uko]Country: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland -http://ukun.fco.gov.uk/en/
00:22<SuperDome>[!!UN_uko]Address:885 Second Avenue New York, N.Y. 10017
00:22<SuperDome>[!!UN_uko]Phone Contact: (212) 745-9200
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00:22<AndroUser2>!!usgov
00:22<SuperDome>USGov Agency Listings A-Z: https://www.usa.gov/federal-agencies/a
00:22<SuperDome>[US Government Menus:[US GOV-A:!!USMA1 !!USMA2] ~~ [US GOV-B:!!USMB1 !!USMB2] ~~ [US GOV-C:!!USMC1 !!USMC2] ~~ [US GOV-D:!!USMD1 !!USMD2] ~~ [US GOV-E:!!USME1] ~~ [US GOV-F:!!USMF1 !!USMF2] ~~ [US GOV-G:!!USMG1 !!USMG2] ~~ [US GOV-H:!!USMH1 !!USMH2] ~~ [US GOV-I:!!USMI1 !!USMI2] ~~ [US GOV-J:!!USMJ1]
00:22<SuperDome>[US Government Menus:[US GOV-M:!!USMM1] ~~ [US GOV-N:!!USMN1:!!USMN2:!!USMN3:] ~~ [US GOV-O And P:!!USMO1 !!USMO2] ~~ [US GOV-S:!!USMS1 !!USMS2] ~~ [US GOV-U:!!USMU1 !!USMU2] ~~ [US GOV-V:!!USMV1] ~~ [US GOV-W:!!USMW1 ]-
00:22<SuperDome>Chat with a Offical USGov Operator https://www.usa.gov/chat Contact USGov.com by Email: https://www.usa.gov/email Contact USgov By Phone: https://www.usa.gov/phone Call us toll-free at 1-844-USA-GOV1 (1-844-872-4681). The USA.gov telephone and chat available between 8:00 AM and 8:00 PM Eastern Time, Monday through Friday
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00:23<AndroUser2>!!usmf2
00:23<SuperDome>[US Government Menus:[!!US_FERC]federal energy regulatory commission _-_[!!US_FHA]federal highway administration _-_ [!!US_FHA]federal housing administration_-_ [!!US_FJC]Federal judicial center_-_
00:23<SuperDome>[US Government Menus:[!!US_FEB]federal executive boards service_-_ [!!US_FFB]federal financing bank _-_[!!US_FGDC]federal geographic data committee_-_ [!!US_FHFA]federal housing finance agency service_-_
00:23<SuperDome>[US Government Menus:[!!US_FICFTMOAEW]Federal interagency committee for the management of noxious and exotic weeds _-_ [!!US_FICOE] federal interagency committee on education_-_ [!!US_FLRA] federal labor relations authority _-_
00:23<SuperDome>[US Government Menus:[!!US_FLCFTT] federal laboratory consortium for technology transfer_-_ [!!US_FLETC] federal law enforcement training center_-_[!!US_FLAICC] federal library and information center committee_-_
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00:23<AndroUser2>!!usmf1
00:23<SuperDome>[US Government Menus:[!!US_FEC]federal election commission_-_ [!!US_FEMA]federal emergency management agency_-_[!!US_FHAEO]Fair housing and equal opportunity,[!!US_FNMAFM]Federal national mortgage association fannie mae)_-_ [!!US_USGOV]USagov service
00:23<SuperDome>[US Government Menus:[!!US_FCA]Farm credit administration service _-_[!!US_FASAB]Federal accounting standards advisory board_-_ [!!US_BOP] bureau of prisons service [!!US_FCG]federal consulting group service_-_
00:23<SuperDome>[US Government Menus:[!!US_FCSI]Farm credit system insurance corporation _-_[!!US_FAA]Federal aviation administration_-_ [!!US_FBI]Federal bureau of investigation_-_[!!US_FCC]federal communications _-_
00:23<SuperDome>[US Government Menus:[!!US_FAFSA]Federal agencies farm service agency service _-_[!!US_FDI]federal deposit insurance corporation_-_ [!!US_FICOSP] federal interagency council on statistical policy_-_
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00:24<AndroUser2>!!us_fbi
00:24<SuperDome>[!!US_FBI]Federal bureau of investigation service Contact card: https://www.usa.gov/federal-agencies/federal-bureau-of-investigation
00:24<SuperDome>[!!US_FBI]Federal bureau of investigation Main Website:https://www.fbi.gov/ submit a tiphttps://tips.fbi.gov/ Phone Number: 1-202-324-3000 Toll Free: 1-800-CALLFBI (1-800-225-5324)
00:25<AndroUser2>!!nato
00:25<AndroUser2>!nato
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04:57<jinppk>Hey, Im trying to install and run debian of a USB that is plugged into a internal USB port. but it wont boot after i finish the install, is this a usb issue?
04:59<arto_>jinppk: so you installed from USB to USB?
04:59<jinppk>both
04:59<jinppk>i mean yes
04:59<jinppk>different usb drives obviously
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05:00<arto_>jinppk: that was good addition
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05:00<arto_>jinppk: and install went smoothly?
05:01<jinppk>yeah slow but otherwise ok
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05:02<jinppk>arto_ after i removed the install media, i rebooted and made sure the bios chose the usb drive to try boot, but it just flashes something up very quick, white writing that i cant read, then resets
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05:02<jinppk>one line in the top left
05:04<arto_>jinppk: maybe grub installation has failed
05:04<petn-randall>That's also my guess.
05:04<jinppk>should i be doing something different given its usb? or should i just re run the grub install
05:05<petn-randall>jinppk: Try booting a live or rescue system, chroot into the system, and then run 'update-grub' and 'grub-install /dev/sdx', with sdx being the internal drive.
05:05<arto_>!grub
05:05<dpkg>GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub default>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 #grub on irc.freenode.net. See also <grub legacy>.
05:05<petn-randall>!frp
05:05<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
05:06<petn-randall>jinppk: Essentially the steps above, but instead of 4), you run the commands I suggested.
05:06<jinppk>sweet thanks for the help, but iv avtually messed around with some config trying to get it to work some im gona install it fresh then try all of your sugtgestions
05:07<jinppk>arto_ petn-randall thanks!
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05:39<jinppk>petn-randall arto arto_ i followed the instructions, and now it doesnt get stuck in a reboot loop, but it hangs with a flashing white cursor on black background
05:39<jinppk>i dont see any grub screen
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05:46<petn-randall>jinppk: What did you type in for /dev/sdx?
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05:47<jinppk>sdg
05:47<jinppk>grub isntalls says cannot find a device for .boot.grub
05:47<jinppk>/boot/grub (im in chroot)
05:47<jinppk>when i ran grub-install /dev/sdg
05:48<jinppk>my bad ive got to mount proc and sysfs
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05:49<petn-randall>jinppk: And you verified that sdg is the internal USB drive, right?
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05:51<jinppk>yeah iv removed the other one for sure
05:51<jinppk>but during install sdg was the install media and the instnernal was sdh, but now iv removed the install media, and hav booted a local disk, i see the usb is SDG
05:52<jinppk>when i do grub install i get a warning about multiple partition lables, a warning about grub only being installed by using blocklists and will not proceed
05:56<petn-randall>jinppk: Do you have network on the machine? If yes, you can run `apt-get install pastebinit && grub-install /dev/sdg | pastebinit` on the machine.
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05:59<jinppk>done,
05:59<jinppk>should there be output from pastetbinit?
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06:00<petn-randall>jinppk: It should return a link, which you can give us.
06:00<petn-randall>I think at least.
06:00<petn-randall>!pastebinit
06:00<dpkg>A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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06:02<jinppk>how do i redirect stderr as well? i think there is no stdout
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06:03<petn-randall>Oh, right.
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06:06<petn-randall>jinppk: grub-install /dev/sdg |& pastebinit
06:06<jinppk>i dont need this? "2>&1"
06:07<jinppk>|& thats cool!
06:07<jinppk>http://paste.debian.net/1034831
06:08<petn-randall>jinppk: You could also use that, but then the ordering becomes important, which is why I avoid it. `foo 2>&1 > /tmp/log` is different from `foo > /tmp/log 2>&1`.
06:09<petn-randall>jinppk: This is grub2, right?
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06:10<jinppk>grub-install --version
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06:10<jinppk>says 2.02
06:10<jinppk>i see this on Stack Overflow, Nuke the gap between the boot sector and the first partition.
06:10<jinppk># dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX seek=1 count=2047
06:10<jinppk>(interesting about the output redirections)
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06:14<krauserii>This has been driving me nuts, out of a clean debian 9 fresh install: https://pastebin.com/adYgLV7x and https://pastebin.com/YZyWuEBP
06:15<petn-randall>jinppk: That only works if you really left a gap there. Also, is this a GPT or MSDOS partition table?
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06:16<jinppk>fdisk -l says disklabel type = dos
06:17<petn-randall>jinppk: Can you share with us `fdisk -l /dev/sdg |& pastebinit`?
06:18<jinppk>http://paste.debian.net/1034833
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06:36<petn-randall>jinppk: That's weird. So the first partition starts at sector 2048, which makes enough room for grub to write. If a forum suggested overwriting the previous sectors, you can try that.
06:36<petn-randall>(might wipe the partition, though).
06:40<jinppk>ill try it
06:41<jinppk>it worked, it let me run grub install
06:41<jinppk>i think i may have copied a installer image poorly that may have messed up the start sector area
06:41<jinppk>gona reboot and try boot from it
06:43<jinppk>yeah working now
06:43<jinppk>thanks for your help!
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07:10<jinppk>petn-randall: thanks again for your help!
07:11<petn-randall>jinppk: You're welcome! Glad it worked.
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08:03<customer>rebooted
08:03<customer>have you read my log?
08:05<customer>reboot seems to fix sudo delay issue
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08:07<customer>sry wrong thread
08:08<z3k>np
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08:36<customer>I had Atheros wifi issues in 4.16 kerner. It should have been fixed for now but wifi is still 80% right near the hotspot
08:37<customer>4.17 contained multiple bugfixes for ath9k driver but still bugs are here
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08:40<customer>I have another notebook with Windows and its wifi works perfect even in 20 meters through walls
08:42<customer>sry wrong channel
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09:03<lomig>Hi, is there a way to package the debian installer with other package versions (like packaging some Jessie or Stretch-backports packages for Stretch) ?
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09:09<zeljosarajvo>Hi, Every once in a while I read people saying that Debian is very stable, but also very stale, and if you want an office distro you should use openSUSE Leap because it gets a facelift on a same base. But what would it be that makes Debian stale? I mean in real life, what are the drawbacks after for example 1.5 years of usage? Thanks!
09:10<z3k>lomig: Take a look here https://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD
09:12<wckd>zeljosarajvo: For example: after 1.5 years you will run an older (but stuble, and patched) version of firefox, not get any new features
09:13<wckd>stable*
09:14<zeljosarajvo>yeah sure, but the browsing itself isn't impaired
09:14<zeljosarajvo>i understand that developers need to be on the bleeding edge with development tools, so not having new versions can be a showstopper
09:15<annadane>stale kinda depends on the user's needs; for an office it all should be fine. if you need newer packages, you can use backports, or compile your own, or download the applications from the internet and stick them in /opt, etc
09:15<zeljosarajvo>but why would debian stable not be recommended for a desktop/home office? It can run media and it has an office suite and a browser?
09:15<annadane>as i said, depends on your needs. for most use cases it's fine
09:15<zeljosarajvo>home multimedia and home office annadane
09:16<zeljosarajvo>what i don't need is system freezes and crashes :D
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09:16<annadane>yeah, so stable should suit you fine
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09:19<lomig>z3k: thanks for the link, so there's no way using simple-cdd ?
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12:10<SCHAPiE>hm, my backlog is full of spammy private messages, annoying
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12:15<mnuhmnuh>SCHAPiE: oftc was abused sun. am. /mode +j yournick is the fix.
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12:21<LukiDuki>Hoihoi, I have a simple question. I'm building a ninite-like system for Debian 9, and what would be the software you'd like to see available in it?
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12:24<mnuhmnuh>ninite?
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12:25<mnuhmnuh>!ninite
12:25<arto>LukiDuki: open a bit what you mean
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12:26<LukiDuki>A script that's supposed to help set up and install all kinds of software, but I'm a bit out of ideas on what to add.
12:26<arto>LukiDuki: there is apt
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12:26<blast007>and software center in gnome
12:27<petn-randall>LukiDuki: What does it do better than the existing tools?
12:27<blast007>but I assume they're talking about non-packaged software
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12:30<LukiDuki>I've got CAVA, Telegram, Discord, Skype, (Working on a Wine menu now), Tor Browser, Atom, Java and VirtualBox added so far. It's a TUI, using dialog. So good for setting a server up though SSH for instance.
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12:31<LukiDuki>And yeah, there are tools already, I know. But didn't find them as flexible as something self-built and maintained.
12:31<petn-randall>LukiDuki: Sounds like you're collecting all the non-free tools you can find. Have you tried the free software equivalents yet?
12:32<petn-randall>LukiDuki: virtualbox is already packaged in Debian, btw.
12:32<arto>yea, I wonder why one would need Debian for those
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12:32<LukiDuki>Yeah but it never works on my end. So I fixed that for myself.
12:33<petn-randall>!doesnt work
12:33<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
12:33<LukiDuki>But the free equivalents, ehhh not really?
12:33<arto>LukiDuki: why for Debian then?
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12:34<LukiDuki>petn-randall: wow uhm... In that the apt-get installs it, but the service always fails.
12:34<petn-randall>LukiDuki: Fails *how*? It works fine for me, and also most users.
12:34<arto>LukiDuki: apt is supposed to install programs, not more
12:35<LukiDuki>arto: Because It's my go-to distro, which I know best. If I get this running smoothly, I plan on making a script that'll detect your distro and that will download the equivalent TUI for the desired system.
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12:36<LukiDuki>petn-randall: The kernel drivers and such, it always complains about that. I put the necessary commands together to fix that specific issue.
12:36<arto>LukiDuki: thanks for telling. I don't understand, so I'll step back
12:37<LukiDuki>arto: Alright then :P
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12:46<petn-randall>LukiDuki: Unless you build your own kernel (or run a derived distro), everything should work out of the box. If not - I recommend filing a bug report.
12:47<petn-randall>LukiDuki: I've only ever had those problems with upstream virtualbox, where kernel module compilation failed a few times.
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12:48<LukiDuki>patn-randall: That's the odd part, it installs, but never does the kernel build with DKMS or whatever it was called again, because apt-get does NOT install all required packages and thus complains about the kernel not being the right one.
12:48<blast007>virtualbox is packaged in stretch-backports, but not in the normal stretch repo
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12:49<blast007>LukiDuki: are you talking about the virtualbox that Debian packages, or the upstream virtualbox repo that Oracle provides?
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12:52<LukiDuki>blast007: The one that Debian provides. That one never works on my end which is why I made that extra bit of script to get those missing packages, add the backports repo and then install it correctly.
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12:55<blast007>a casual glance at the dependencies seems like it should install what is necessary (gcc, make, kernel headers, dkms)
12:56<petn-randall>LukiDuki: petn<tab>
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12:57<petn-randall>LukiDuki: Weird, because the *Debian* package virtualbox depends on virtualbox-dkms (>= 5.2.10-dfsg-6) | virtualbox-source (>= 5.2.10-dfsg-6) | virtualbox-modules (UNSATISFIED)
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13:00<petn-randall>Which in turn builds the kernel module.
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13:01<LukiDuki>patn-randall: 1, tab doesn't do anything. And 2, indeed. but the kernels that Debian itself uses, does not even work with the DKMS package out of the box.
13:01<LukiDuki>patn-randall: So I added the headers package, build virtualbox from source just to be sure, and THEN it works for me.
13:01<blast007>it does if you spell it right. the second letter is an e, not an a.
13:02<LukiDuki>blast007: huh?
13:02<blast007>it's petn, not patn
13:02<LukiDuki>FAIL.
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13:04<petn-randall>Yepp, I don't get any IRC highlights on typos.
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13:05<petn-randall>LukiDuki: Do you by chance have installing recommended packages disabled?
13:07<LukiDuki>petn-randall, nope, got that enabled.
13:07<petn-randall>LukiDuki: Then linux-header should be installed, since it's recommended by dkms.
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13:08<LukiDuki>petn-randall, Indeed. didn't actually check if it does that, but I'll check.
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13:09<LukiDuki>petn-randall, One can never be too sure :P
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13:45<LukiDuki>petn-randall, I can now tell you that no, it does NOT select this package with recommends and stuff enabled.
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14:02<blast007>LukiDuki: (after manually removing dkms and linux-headers that were already installed) installing virtualbox from stretch-backports says it will install dkms and linux-headers.
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14:17<LukiDuki>blast007, really? I'm reinstalling another copy of debian, so I'll see again in a bit. I'll post exactly what the error says
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14:33<LukiDuki>blast007: With a new reinstall, it DOES mention all those packages, so fingers crossed.
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14:40<LukiDuki>blast007, Bingo: "Module build for kernel was skipped since the kernel headers for this kernel do not seem to be installed." This is what ALWAYS happens. even with those packages, which by the way are the wrong version.
14:40<LukiDuki>And thus, the install fails
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14:44<blast007>did you install an updated kernel but not yet boot into it?
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15:31<DrZaius>how can i install a debian daily image? https://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/
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15:34<DrZaius>(long story short, im trying to install debian in a medion e4241. which doenst have ethernet and the wifi is not recogniced by stable. Ive been told that i have to install this out of the tree driver https://github.com/hadess/rtl8723bs.git buts i have to carry lots of dependences to the laptop without internet and its been difficult. The driver is supposed to be in the kernel 4.12, so im trying to install testing directly. The weekly
15:34<DrZaius>image https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso is failing to mount / to finish the install
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15:35<DrZaius>so im willing to try that daily image, but im not sure how can i do that since i dont recognice any iso media file in there
15:36<DrZaius>So im kinda stuck...
15:36<DrZaius>Can somebody help me install debian in this computer?
15:37<DrZaius>Mmmm... I can maybe install stable and then use ubuntu to chroot with internet
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15:38<DrZaius>Gonna try it coz im really out of ideas
15:38<Brigo>DrZaius, you can update apt off-line
15:38<DrZaius>Brigo, i tried that but apt-offline is not installed by default, so i download the package but it depends in python3-magic
15:39<Brigo>check apt-get --print-uris
15:39<DrZaius>which i was not able to install at all... even downloading it... the .deb says is not a valid apt format, so then i tried to update apt... and at that point i gave up
15:39<DrZaius>Brigo, yeah, i downloaded all the dependences with apt-rdepends
15:39<Brigo>,kernels
15:39<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.8-1); buster: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.8-1); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.16-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-7-686-pae (4.9.110-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.7-686-pae (4.9.110-1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
15:39<judd>3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
15:40<Brigo>DrZaius, man, you have 4.16 in backports
15:40<DrZaius>i dont have internet in that machine
15:40<DrZaius>is the kernel just a package?
15:40<DrZaius>can i apt download it?
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15:41<Brigo>DrZaius, yes, it is.
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15:42<DrZaius>Okay, lets give it another try. First step, install stable again
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15:45<Brigo>DrZaius, you can then download the kernel from: 'http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64_4.16.16-2~bpo9+1_amd64.deb' linux-image-4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64_4.16.16-2~bpo9+1_amd64.deb 45572338 MD5Sum:74d93dc97f2f2c89f0df45300770131a
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15:46<DrZaius>Thanks! lets hope this fixed it! I dont have much faith tho, because the testing installer is suppose to bring a newer kernel and didnt detect the wifi card... it failed later on the installation anyway
15:47<DrZaius>I have my fingers crossed :)
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15:47<Brigo>DrZaius, does it need firmware?
15:49<DrZaius>I was told here that medion e4241 have this driver https://github.com/hadess/rtl8723bs which says in the same link that is been merged in the kernel 4.12
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16:00<DrZaius>actually, i think i have a couple of usb wifi sticks around... maybe i can use them to bring internet to the computer if this fails
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16:24<DrZaius>well, it says wifi networks device not ready
16:25<DrZaius>ip a shows a lwan0... this is good news, right?
16:25<DrZaius>wlan*
16:25<DrZaius>how can i make the device ready? :)
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16:29<doubledutch>DrZaius: This is great news!
16:29<doubledutch>Are you using ceni? or any other third party packages
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16:29<DrZaius>mmm, installed default xfce image
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16:29<DrZaius>whatever the network manager xfce uses :S
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16:37<DrZaius>Im looking, im not sure how to make the wifi work :S
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16:41<DrZaius>Do i have to install something else? i googling about the issue and tried restarting nm-applet, restarting network-manager service...
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16:45<DrZaius>i would try to install wicd normally, but i cant because i dont have internet, and i couldnt do a apt update, and so apt doesnt know about wicd to --print-uris
16:46<DrZaius>im going to give a try the ubuntu image and chroot into debian
16:46<DrZaius>Im out of ideas again
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17:05<DrZaius>Im off to bed for today
17:05<DrZaius>Thanks for the help guys! i made some progress!
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17:15<Kcchouette>Hello, I have problem with my vps and redis-server. I can't start redis-server on my VPS.
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17:15<Kcchouette>the error is ExecStart=/usr/bin/redis-server /etc/redis/redis.conf (code=exited, status=226/NAMESPACE)
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18:41<MDMA>Hi all i'm back with my firefox quantum cursor problem, I'm using a theme cursor that goes back to default asap my cursor cross over firefox quantum it goes back to default, any idea on how to fix this ?
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18:48<TESTED>hey, im having problems debug a program (actually two programs). i have wrap.c and vortex4.c , and i want to list lines of code of both files. But it says that it cannot find the source file of vortex4
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18:51<TESTED>i tried directory command , ran cd ,ran pwd i ve compiled with -g
18:51<ach>!gcc libary
18:51<retrospectacus>MDMA: there are a lot of google results about that. What have you tried?
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18:53<retrospectacus>!ask
18:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:53<retrospectacus>TESTED: Fill in the blanks here ^
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18:54<TESTED>sorry dont undertstand you
18:54<retrospectacus>TESTED: can you provide us more information using http://paste.debian.net/
18:55<TESTED>sure what do you need?
18:55<retrospectacus>what did you do and what happened, and what you wanted to happen instead
18:55<TESTED>do you want a log of gdb?
18:55<ach>!ask
18:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:55<TESTED>ok ok let me paste then
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18:58<TESTED>http://paste.debian.net/1034922/
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18:58<TESTED>i want to list source code of vortex4.c
18:58<TESTED>inside gdb
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19:00*mnuhmnuh that's how not to ask a question.
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19:01<TESTED>when i try to do list vortex4.c:3 on the gdb prompt i get the following output No source file named vortex4.c.
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19:02<MDMA>@retrospectacus well, it happen to me on firefox and discord, i've changed the /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme to make the inherits fir my actual mouse theme, it did works on discord but didn't changed for firefox, I've come accros some arch web pages but files wheren't the same as my debian ones so it doesn't help me for firefox :/
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19:03<MDMA>If you have any web page that could help me i'll be happy to read them :D
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19:10<ach>i would tip the expection is in vortex4.c?
19:10<ach>i have no idea
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19:10<TESTED>sorry not following
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19:12<ach>seems path fail or code i never used gdb
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19:13<TESTED>well i call execve from the wrap program to run vortex4
19:13<TESTED>ach, what do you use?
19:13<sarnold>TESTED: do you need to use something like the -directory command line argument to tell gdb where to look for sources? https://sourceware.org/gdb/current/onlinedocs/gdb/File-Options.html#File-Options
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19:17<TESTED>nope didnt work same problem
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19:19<sarnold>normally I grab strace when things don't make sense
19:19<sarnold>stracing gdb .. I have to imagine that won't go well :)
19:19<TESTED>hehehe
19:19<TESTED>indeed
19:19<TESTED>:)
19:20<TESTED>so sarnold are you a debian voluterian?
19:20<sarnold>more of a well-wisher :)
19:20<TESTED>:)
19:21<ach>!well-wisher
19:21<ach>!lol
19:21<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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21:26<twb>Dumb question: for backports, is there a one-line summary of "why you probably want this" ?
21:26<twb>Because like usually the person who makes the backport has a specific reason
21:27<twb>but trying to work it out from just changelog.Debian isn't always obvious
21:27<twb>For example, what's rsyslog/stretch-backports get me over rsyslog/stretch
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21:36<mnuhmnuh>twb: my one-liner is linux-image-4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
21:37<sarnold>mnuhmnuh: bad paste?
21:37<twb>sarnold: I thought they were being a smartarse :P
21:37<sarnold>lol
21:37<mnuhmnuh>twb: you'd have to check bug reports (tracker.debian.org) to see what the real story is.
21:38<sarnold>twb: ah, I guess you're right :D
21:38<mnuhmnuh>bad paste? no, 4.16 kernel on stretch. :-)
21:39<twb>https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/rsyslog doesn't say much about why you'd want to backport rsyslog, tho
21:39<mnuhmnuh>hmf.
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21:40<twb>sometimes it's fairly intuitive, e.g. "backport kernel gives newer drivers, so hardware released after linux/stretch is more likely work"
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21:41<twb>the most important case to me right now is whether libgl1-mesa-dri/stretch-backports benefits intel hardware, or only crappy nvidia and amd
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21:45<mnuhmnuh>twb: v. 17 vs. 13? that's a hefty jump.
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22:09<twb>Is there a way to express this in "plain" apt, without resorting to aptitude?
22:09<twb>aptitude install '?installed ?source-package(^mesa$~|^libdrm$)'/stretch-backports
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22:42<mnuhmnuh>twb: run that command w -s, and you'll see what it'll do. maybe easier to translate from there?
22:42<twb>I want it to work a month from now, as well, when the package list might be different
22:42<twb>i.e. this is to go into build instructions for OS images
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