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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-07-26

---Logopened Thu Jul 26 00:00:50 2018
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06:00<Rendezvous>When I try to download mail with evolution it opens for 1/4 second the sent/receive dialog and then stops what should I do?
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06:34<adhawkins>jm_: You about? Remember my NFS mounting issue from a few weeks ago after a kernel upgrade?
06:35<adhawkins>To summarise, at the point the NFS mount was taking place, it looked like the interface had an IPv6 address but no IPv4 address. The mount was specifying an IPv4 address in fstab.
06:35<adhawkins>Last night I tried replacing the address with a host name, and the mount now seems to be working correctly.
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06:35<adhawkins>Seems strange that systemd considers the interface 'up' if it's got an IPv6 address but no IPv4 (yet). I wonder if there's any way to tell systemd to require both?
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06:39<jm_>adhawkins: I remember it yes, but maybe #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net or #systemd on irc.freenode.net can help?
06:40<arto>adhawkins: maybe just disabling ipv6 would help?
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07:15<adhawkins>arto: Don't want to do that ideally, spent ages setting it up :)
07:15<adhawkins>jm_: Asked on #systemd. Will try on #debian-systemd too. Thanks for the pointer.
07:16<arto>adhawkins: ok, ipv6 caused some problmes to me years ago, and since that I've disabled it always, since all my computers are behind NAT. Ideally ipv6 is very good, I don't dispute that.
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09:06<drzacek>Hello there
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09:07<drzacek>Again, I'm struggling with "optimus graphics" under linux, I would like to finally solve the problems I have
09:08<drzacek>I'm on a dell laptop (precision something) with two graphic cards - intel and nvidia quadro. I'm aware that things like bumblebee and primusrun exist, managed in the past to use it to run programs on nvidia card, but that's not what I need
09:09<drzacek>I was using the xrandr --setprovidersoutput A B to use nvidia ports with intel card -this wat I have used two monitors for the past two months - only had to run a command after boot
09:10<drzacek>now I got new monitor and I would like to use all 3 of them, but it doesn't seem to work - as soon as I enable 3rd monitor, it leads to problems (aka one of the monitors deactivates itself, which one? random). I'm guessing that intel card can't handle this, so I would like to use only nvidia card to display stuff on the monitors
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10:07<Synthea>How can I add custom dns keys to unbound?
10:07<Synthea>For DNSSEC
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10:16<rjsalts>you mean RRSIG type stuff from local-data?
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10:18<rjsalts>Synthea: I think that would be very difficult, unbound doesn't seem suitable for serving signed zones
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10:18<Synthea>rjsalts, yes
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11:41<mnuhmnuh>in /usr/share/doc/command-not-found/README it says to ". /etc/bash_command_not_found" - -bash: /etc/bash_command_not_found: No such file or directory
11:46<arto>mnuhmnuh: I have not done those changes and it still works
11:47<arto>mnuhmnuh: oh, sorry, misread your line
11:47<petn-randall>mnuhmnuh: If it's README, and not README.Debian.gz, it's from upstream. So take those changes with a pinch of salt.
11:47<mnuhmnuh>arto: okay. i just discovered it yesterday and am trying to learn what's what.
11:47<petn-randall>mnuhmnuh: After running `update-command-not-found` it should work for all users.
11:48<arto>yes, I don't recall doing anythin but installing, and it works
11:48<mnuhmnuh>petn-randall: i did read the .debian too. and i've done the update, so i guess i'll just sit back and wait for enlightenment. :-)
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11:54<JBzh>the filelist of this package on packages.debian.org does not mention it, but indeed "to use it in bash [...] . /etc/bash_command_not_found" in README (only /etc/zsh_command_not_found exists)
11:55<petn-randall>mnuhmnuh: It's been a while, but I recall just installing it and it worked for all new terminals.
11:55<mnuhmnuh>and why doesn't the .debian say to ignore the upstream bit about ". /etc/bash_command_not_found"?!? :-|
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11:56<mnuhmnuh>meh. i look forward to seeing what it does.
11:57<JBzh>it suggests other commands and the package needed, when you type a command that does not exists
11:57<arto>or do a typo
11:59<arto>then it suggest the closest one command, and is usually right
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12:02<mnuhmnuh>JBzh: so i heard, which sounds helpful.
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12:38<maxrazer>Does anyone know if I really have to or should comment out the security and "udpate" lines in sources.list if I change the primary source to "testing"?
12:39<Brigo>maxrazer, they have no sense in testing
12:39<Brigo>that's why you shuold comment them. You will no see any differencies anyway.
12:40<maxrazer>Brigo, So, it will not break apt if I replace them with "testing" and do not comment?
12:40<Brigo>maxrazer, no.
12:40<maxrazer>I think I may have broken apt when I did it and was trying to find the cause.
12:40<Brigo>testing should be the cause most the time
12:41<maxrazer>I was getting crazy errors like apt is locked and my network card was not working even after I re-installed debian and did a full reformat multiple times. Extremely weird.
12:41<blast007>maxrazer: testing is supported in #debian-next, not in #debian
12:41<maxrazer>blast007, Thanks for the reminder. I guess so
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14:08<abrotman>maxyz[m]: no, you shouldn't
14:09<abrotman>maxyz[m]: sorry, misfire
14:09<abrotman>and they're gone anyway
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21:06<SCBrian>Hi all, hope everyone is well, sorry for the long message. I'm running an older 32bit machine as a file/media server. Was running unbuntu until it went sideways after a year and decided to switch to Debian (CLI). Now when I try to stream videos from the server to other devices, I get +/- stuttering like a shudder every few frames. Dont know if it's Debian or the router, but based on unbuntu working I'm leaning at Debian. Any
21:06<SCBrian>tips/tricks?
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21:07<annadane>well i guess the obvious question is "how are you streaming it"
21:08<annadane>beyond that i don't know enough to help you but it helps to fill in the blanks before starting to diagnose
21:08<SCBrian>Was just sharing the folder and pulling it with VLC under unbuntu, that worked, but then with Debian it started the shudder. I've also tried plex media server with the same results
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21:11<SCBrian>Also - if I plug into the router directly (both the server and a computer) it seems to run fine. Just seems to be over wifi that there is an issue. (Sorry!)
21:11<sarnold>tracking down performance problems takes a methodical approach; I suggest starting at http://www.brendangregg.com/USEmethod/use-linux.html or http://www.brendangregg.com/linuxperf.html for some advice
21:12<sarnold>"wifi is crappy" is indeed a real possibility
21:12<SCBrian>even though it worked last week with ubu?
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21:13<sarnold>possibly drivers changed in the meantime, or maybe you moved the box ever so slightly or perhaps there's a new cereal box i nthe way..
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21:16<SCBrian>:/ digging through the webpage now btw. The server is plugged directly into the router, and I'm close enough that the half empty box of lucky charms should hurt...
21:17<SCBrian>(sorry, I know I'm a service tech nightmare right now) lack of coffee this pm
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21:19<sarnold>lol
21:24<SCBrian>My thought would be Wifi, given the problem only appears over wifi. In a wired connection, it seems fine. But it was working Sunday with no problems and the only change was os ubu -> deb.
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22:00<keycollector>Is etc/pam.d/login the best place to put "session optional pam_umask.so umask=0077" ? Is just appending the line enough to enforce it ?
22:00<maxrazer>What do you guys think about installing third party .deb of some optional software instead of getting a tar.gz executable?
22:01<maxrazer>So many third party software distribute a .deb, but not an executable.
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22:01<maxrazer>I was told it is bad to install third party .deb.
22:01<keycollector>.deb is always better than than a tar.gz in my opionion.
22:01<keycollector>It purely lies in the trust and skill of the package maintainer.
22:02<maxrazer>keycollector, It integrates niceley with the .deb. I think the person said that .deb is bad for third party because it is giving access to the system and executable tar.gz is not.
22:02<maxrazer>But, it isn't very practical if people only create a .deb
22:03<maxrazer>keycollector, Do you run debian stable for desktop daily driver?
22:03<blast007>!don't break debian
22:03<dpkg>well, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
22:03<keycollector>I run debian buster because i have bleeding edge hardware and need the hardware support.
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22:04<maxrazer>keycollector, What hardware do you have that is so new that requires that?
22:04<maxrazer>I've got a geforce 10 card, which is recent hardware. It works with the nvidia-driver package, but not the open source driver.
22:05<maxrazer>There is also a backport of a very recent driver and I've added backports sometimes.
22:05<maxrazer>I tried testing and also tried the buster alpha 3 installer. I've run testing and stable and go back and forth.
22:06<maxrazer>I've never run unstable though.
22:06<keycollector>I have two vega 64s, which needed the newest mesa at the time when i upgraded. I complied myself, but then just upgraded sometime after for a more smooth system.
22:06<maxrazer>keycollector, What games do you play witht hat?
22:06<keycollector>Newest kernel also support corsair mouses, which means i didnt have to rebuild a kernel.
22:07<keycollector>The second one is used for GPU passthrough for a windows 10 VM
22:07<maxrazer>keycollector, I decided not to do dual GPU's as I think it isn't good value and better value to just get the latest GPU.
22:07<keycollector>but i play 0AD ha
22:08<maxrazer>Oh, I see 0 AD. I've never heard of that before.
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22:09<keycollector>Regarding your deb package and tar.gz concern, learning how to package is quite easy for personal use. There is a nice, and fairly short guide here https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/Intro?action=show&redirect=IntroDebianPackaging.
22:10<keycollector>Its not strict enough to add onto the archive, but it'll allow you to build your own packages, which keeps me at peace of mind witha clean pc.
22:10<maxrazer>Oh, yeah I bookmarked that before. I looked it over and seemed like a lot I think. But I'd like to make one sometime. I compile a Quake engine and run that and would like to make that into a .deb
22:11<maxrazer>Right, I gave up on the idea of adding to the debian repository, or at least not my concern right now. A third party .deb is fine.
22:12<maxrazer>Oh, I wasn't able to upgrade to debian testing though. It said impossible situation.
22:13<maxrazer>It mentioned some nvidia gpu libraries.
22:13<maxrazer>I wonder if that is because I installed the nvidia-driver before upgrading.
22:13<maxrazer>I wasn't planning on using testing when I installed, but then tried.
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22:16<keycollector>I have not been able to upgrade to buster from stretch cleanly anymore either as of last week.
22:17<maxrazer>keycollector, ah. ok. Did you use the beta 3 iso?
22:20<keycollector>No, i upgraded cleanly to buster about a month and a half ago smoothy on 3 PCs. Tried to do more last week and they werer breaking.
22:20<keycollector>Something changed.
22:21<keycollector>From stretch.
22:24<maxrazer>I've been having problems with horrible audio distortion and crackling with audio in firefox
22:26<keycollector>Sadly, i am not experiencing these issues.
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23:42<keycollector>How do i change the permissions of home directories for when i create users with the adduser comman? Changing UMASK in etc/pam.d/login doesnt seem to effect the default permissions of the home directory itseld, even thought the comment above saves it should.
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23:44<sarnold>/etc/pam.d/login is only going to be used when someone logs in via login -- either one of the virtual consoles, or by directly executing 'login' at a prompt..
23:45<sarnold>but I wouldn't expect a PAM module to *create* the user's home directory, nor set the modes, I'd expect /etc/default/useradd or sometehing similar to configure that
23:46<keycollector>Im sorry, i meant etc/login.defs
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23:46<keycollector>In the file reads "
23:46<keycollector>UMASK is the default umask value for pam_umask and is used by
23:46<keycollector># useradd and newusers to set the mode of the new home directories.
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23:49<sarnold>aha that's exactly what that file says. I'm not sure I believe it. heh.
23:54<maxrazer>Anyone else having occasional problems with very distorted audio being caused by Firefox?
23:56<keycollector>Version of firefox? get it from deb repo?
23:56<maxrazer>keycollector, Yes, from the debian repot it is firefox-esr standard for debian 9
23:57<maxrazer>The problem happened today. It used to happen every time I ran discord in Firefox. But now it happened again and I didn't load firefox.
23:57<maxrazer>The problem does not happen with chrome/chromium
23:58<keycollector>does it go away when you remove firefox?
23:59<maxrazer>It goes away if I close firefox
23:59<maxrazer>So, removing it would do it too
23:59<maxrazer>It only happens from running firefox
23:59<maxrazer>But it depends on certain things happening in firefox. Basic text pages won't do it.
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