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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-07-27

---Logopened Fri Jul 27 00:00:23 2018
---Daychanged Fri Jul 27 2018
00:00<maxrazer>I'm using a sound blaster sound card. I believe this never happend before when I used the integrated audio.
00:01<maxrazer>However, I have experienced stuttering audio when using integrated or sound blaster card if I use gnome desktop. But that sounds totally different.
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00:03<keycollector>Probably wont do anything, but have you tried purging firefox? and then reinstall?
00:04<maxrazer>No, but I've totally reinstalled debian multiple times and the problem is there.
00:05<keycollector>Unistall it, enable buster repo and install "firefox" from buster and see if its still there. Youll also get firefox quantum :)
00:05<maxrazer>that is app pinning you mean
00:06<keycollector>app pinning is when you tell it not to upgrade?
00:06<maxrazer>I could switch to buster beta 3 iso
00:06<maxrazer>I'd rather do that.
00:07<keycollector>I run firefox from buster on all my clients computers running stretch.
00:07<keycollector>Stable.
00:08<maxrazer>Ok, I just thought to avoid app pinning. I'm sure certain exceptions work.
00:08<maxrazer>It would have been nice if backports had it
00:14<keycollector>sarnold: looks like you were correct, configuration in adduser.conf did the change i needed.
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01:08<maxrazer>I just installed buster beta 3 iso and it is still using Firefox 52. I guess I forgot.
01:09<jm_>,v firefox
01:09<judd>Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 61.0-1; experimental: 62.0~b3-1
01:10<jm_>,v firefox-esr
01:10<judd>Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 52.9.0esr-1; experimental: 60.1.0esr-1
01:10<jm_>that's why I guess
01:11<jm_>to get a newer version see https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox
01:12<maxrazer>Ok, It seems they recommend the firefox website. I tried running the firefox from there, but it had problems with scrolling not working. I'm wondering if firefox is not so good to use. I heard of Falkon recently.
01:14<maxrazer>In debian buster make XFCE the default desktop and Falkon the default browser. :)
01:15<maxrazer>You can call it Debian cool-pop.
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01:20<maxrazer>I did told apt to install clementin player with suggested packages and it adds 10GB of additional packages.
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01:24<jm_>I use firefox from firefox.com and it works fine for me
01:25<maxrazer>jm_, The scrolling problem didn't happen a lot. I think it happened on youtube mostly too.
01:27<jm_>maxrazer: yeah could be related to other stuff, i.e. graphics driver and so on
01:28<maxrazer>jm_, Ah, maybe.
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02:58<qqz>How long does it normally last until someone responds on an RFS (request for sponsoring)?
02:59<qqz>I would need a mentor for: https://mentors.debian.net/package/qcoan
03:00<qqz>Bug#904612: Acknowledgement (RFS: qcoan/2.0-3 [ITP])
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03:18<qqz>It would be very kind if anybody could look into my new program: https://www.elstel.org/coan
03:19<qqz>It is a full-fledged automaton simulator and I would like to make it available for Linux users in compiled form
03:19<qqz>not just for Windows and evtl. MacOS
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03:20<qqz>it compiles well under Linux
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03:27<jm_>maybe try asking in #debian-mentors
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04:12<zuzabrik>join your channel is really hard quest xD
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04:14<jm_>how so?
04:15<arto>zuzabrik: well, it only need registration, and it's no one chanlle. Somethin had to be done because of spammers
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08:21<lomig>Hi, I'd like to partition my disk during a preseeded installation (created with simple-cdd) before partman. So, I'd like to know how to exec a script from preseed file, are there better way than others ? Since I want to create a LUKS volume is there a way to prompt the end user for its passphrase ? Is there a way to skip partman or tell it to use the partitioning as it is ?
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09:47<hThoreau>Evening.
09:48<hThoreau>I accidentally assign permisions for my home folder for www-data.
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09:48<hThoreau>How could I revert it to user?
09:49<petn-randall>hThoreau: With the same command you accidentally changed it.
09:53<Synthea>I need to know the trust-anchor-file format for unbound, yet I'm not finding any docs regarding it :/
09:53<hThoreau>petn-randall: Found it. Thnaks.
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11:09<mnuhmnuh>Synthea^: /etc/unbound/unbound.conf.d/root-auto-trust-anchor-file.conf ?
11:10<Synthea^>mnuhmnuh, that's for autotrust
11:11<Synthea^>Also the autotrust anchor file is "/var/lib/unbound/root.key"
11:11<mnuhmnuh>i'd expect the file formats to be similar.
11:12<Synthea^>mnuhmnuh I've tried to use that file format and it doesnt work
11:13<mnuhmnuh>hmph. i just did apt-file search trust-anchor-file and that's the only result.
11:14<Synthea^><Synthea> I need to know the trust-anchor-file format for unbound, yet I'm not finding any docs regarding it :/
11:14<Synthea^>There's a reason if I said that I'm not finding docs...
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11:15<Synthea>Thx anyway if you find something please tell me
11:15<mnuhmnuh>https://www.unbound.net/
11:15<Synthea>Yes I've read also here
11:16<Synthea>They talk about the autotrust file format
11:16<Synthea>https://www.unbound.net/documentation/howto_anchor.html
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11:30<grawity>the trust-anchor-file format is nearly the same as e.g. BIND zonefiles
11:30<grawity><domain> <rrtype> <rrdata>
11:30<grawity>". IN DNSKEY 257 3 8 AwEAAaz/tAm..."
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14:54<Synthea>What is a round-robin rrset?
14:54<Synthea>(DNS)
14:56<grawity>multiple A/AAAA records for the same name
15:02<Synthea>grawity, the rrset is multiple A/AAAA?
15:03<grawity>in DNS, "round-robin" usually means a domain name with multiple IP addresses (the client then chooses a random one)
15:03<Synthea> # If yes, Unbound rotates RRSet order in response. This is almost
15:03<Synthea> # same as Thijs Kinkhorst's implementation except that random number
15:03<Synthea> # source is query-id.
15:03<Synthea> rrset-roundrobin: yes
15:03<Synthea>grawity, that's what I haven't understand
15:04<grawity>the "rrset" is all records under the same name, for the same type
15:05<Synthea>So round-robin means that if the server says google.com "172.56.3.8 google.com 172.56.4.8" you can see "172.56.4.8 google.com 172.56.3.8"?
15:05<Synthea>grawity
15:05<grawity>if you meant Unbound's rrset-roundrobin, then yes
15:06<Synthea>grawity, what should be the point of doing that?
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15:06<grawity>well, when I said "the client then chooses a random address"
15:07<grawity>*some* clients choose a random address, but some always choose the 1st address
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15:07<Synthea>Oh so enhancing the privacy
15:07<Synthea>Good
15:07<grawity>so Unbound "helps" them by randomizing the addresses it returns
15:07<Synthea>Thx grawity
15:07<grawity>no, it has absolutely *nothing* to do with privacy
15:07<grawity>round-robin DNS is used for load-balancing
15:07<sarnold>very cheap and rough load balancing
15:07<Synthea>Nice to know
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15:51<jhutchins_wk>Round-robin actually has a specific meaning in the context of DNS, it's not random but sequential. The next request gets the next number in the list.
15:51<jhutchins_wk>There are also other ways to distribute the addresses.
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16:11*mnuhmnuh thought round robin was defined as sequential. else, randomized.
16:12<grawity>outside DNS, yeah, it generally means "sequential"
16:13<grawity>inside DNS, afaik most clients don't keep enough state for that...
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16:41<Synthea>I have a problem with unbound and dnscrypt, unbound won't wait dnscrypt response
16:41<Synthea>When dnscrypt-proxy send the response unbound has already closed the sport
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18:04<mnuhmnuh>Synthea: grep -i dns /etc/services ; grep -i proxy /etc/services # do they send and recieve from/to same port?
18:05<mnuhmnuh>same protocol?
18:07<Synthea>mnuhmnuh, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e713bea3/
18:07<Synthea>idk
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21:10<zentris>If anyone uses debian forums, could you help me figure the direction to take for a new theme proposal, thank you, there is a poll here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=138174
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21:13*mnuhmnuh there are debian forums?
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21:18<mnuhmnuh>zentris: i wish we'd stuck with that bird (petrel?) used in the early releases of linux, pre-tux. why mountains & waves? i prefer flight. fwiw.
21:20<mnuhmnuh>peregrin falcons are fairly cool too.
21:20<zentris>well debian doesn't really have a mascot, so kind of odd to include random birds in design? I like the idea, but not sure it would fit?
21:21<zentris>Honestly I'm kind of still trying to figure things out as well, not sure which direction is best
21:24<mnuhmnuh>zentris: which is why you ask for input. :-)
21:25<zentris>I'm actually curious, what was the original bird (petrel) you mention, I can't find it.
21:26<mnuhmnuh>debian's mascot seems to be toy story char. du jour.
21:26<mnuhmnuh>stone petrel, i think.
21:27<mnuhmnuh>never a close up pic, always seen aloft from afar.
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21:32<blastwave>sorry to ask a n00b question but is there a preferred method to install NVidia drivers in stable? I usually dl from the nvidia site directly and do the install after blacklisting nouveau but there seems to be actual nvidia pkgs these days
21:34<mnuhmnuh>!nvidia
21:34<dpkg>Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
21:34<blastwave>oh drat
21:35<blastwave>okay .. so .. nvidia dkms is the question
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21:35<mnuhmnuh>!nvidia dkms
21:35<dpkg>For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
21:35<blastwave>right ... looks to be reasonable
21:36<mnuhmnuh>ask, and ye shall recieve.
21:37<blastwave>the version released from nvidia seems to be 390.77 and the version avail in stretch is 375.66 .. not exactly current but most likely works fine
21:40<blastwave>okay .. thank you mnuhmnuh and I shall blindly "apt-get install nvidia-driver" with wreckless abandon :-)
21:41<blastwave>wish me luck
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21:42<mnuhmnuh>blastwave: my sympathies. i've happily avoided nv, ripping one out in preference to on-board intel which works fine for me (not a gamer).
21:43<mnuhmnuh>blast007: funny to see that plastic dohickey labeled do not remove, which covered the onboard svga port. :-)
21:44<blast007>they left
21:44<mnuhmnuh>still funny, but excuse.
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22:21<blastwave>I return with the debian drivers installed directly from the stable repo and they work just fine .. however .. how do I adjust the DPI for my display? The fonts are way too small. Is there an Xorg.conf somewhere ?
22:24<mnuhmnuh>"... please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net."
22:25<blastwave>ugg ... it isn't a driver related question .. it is Xorg
22:26<blastwave>xdpyinfo tells me the correct physical DPI but the Xorg conf has to be wrong .. never mind .. I'll gopogle around .. this should be off the shelf old school X windows stuff
22:26<sarnold>heh the old school answer was to stick a different -dpi command line argument on the X command..
22:26<sarnold>even finding that X command today may take a while.. hopefully there's a nicer way of doing it
22:26<blastwave>sarnold: yep .. however I think a conf file addresses this
22:27<sarnold>and I understand gtk and qt have different ways of letting you override a dpi, so maybe hunt around a bit to make sure you get the lowest-level setting..
22:28<sarnold>that's the funny thing with the transition to Xorg's autodiscovery of nearly everything -- while most setups got way easier, it made it harder to figure out how to make simple changes..
22:28<sarnold>but I for one am happy to not need xvidtune any more :D
22:28<blastwave>well .. being an old old unix user ... I think Xorg.conf addresses everything .. and .. it does in Section "Monitor" just drop in Option "DPI" "96 x 96" or whatever
22:29<blastwave>well drat ... Debian stable doesn't even have an Xorg section anywhere under /etc ... thats weird as hell
22:29<sarnold>*see*? *see*? :D
22:30<blastwave>yep
22:30<blastwave>weird .. well I'll see what the man page has to say
22:30<sarnold>first you gotta figure out where to create the config.. and wonder if the new sections you add override anything important that it's auto-discovering
22:30<blastwave>man -s 5 xorg.conf
22:30<mnuhmnuh>blastwave: and being an old unix user, you install 75 & 100 size fonts, and use xfontsel to pick readable ones?
22:30<blastwave>mnuhmnuh: actually I run xlsfonts -ll > font.list and then look in the list for actual fonts built in
22:31<sarnold>I'd like to see what the world is like on one of the newer 200+ dpi displays.. what's fixed look like that tiny? :D
22:31<blastwave>mnuhmnuh: generally I go with adobe ones and use courier fonts for xterms and sometimes a few terminal fonts
22:32<blastwave>sarnold: 200+ DPI ? those must be for medical imaging. I did some installs of Solaris system for GE back in the day and the monochrome displays were $16,000 each and they were amazing
22:33<mnuhmnuh>hercules monochrome was amazing, early '90s.
22:33<sarnold>blastwave: if I've done the math correctly, this thing here has 277 ppi: https://www.slashgear.com/review-lenovo-thinkpad-x1-tablet-3rd-gen-09536953/
22:34<blastwave>ummm .. hercules graphics cards ? those were for PC's right ?
22:34*blastwave goes off to look at a stinkpad with 277 ppi
22:34<mnuhmnuh>right.
22:35<blastwave>not really .. I'm tracking down the "Debian way" to set DPI in the Xorg.conf which .. doesn't exist
22:36<sarnold>blastwave: so.. xrandr has a --dpi flag. how well does that work?
22:36<mnuhmnuh>"you're not alowed to know that."
22:36<mnuhmnuh>trust us.
22:37<blastwave>I think you mean to say "trust us .. we are with the government"
22:37<mnuhmnuh>or, bang your head on the wall until it falls over, going around the prob.
22:37<blastwave>one sec on the xrandr ... I have used that often enough to disable power save and screen saver power off stuff
22:38<mnuhmnuh>xset s off
22:38<mnuhmnuh>i just run xscreensaver
22:38<blastwave>yeah .. that stuff
22:38*blastwave looks at https://wiki.debian.org/MonitorDPI
22:39<blastwave>arggg .. new install here --> -su: locate: command not found
22:39<sarnold>hah
22:39<sarnold>dpkg -S may get there faster
22:39<dpkg>Badgers ate my may get there faster!
22:40<mnuhmnuh>hah? hahahaha!
22:40<blastwave>I should file a bug report wherein the debian bone stock install should have ed and shell utils and a few little things
22:41<mnuhmnuh>real programmers use cat > binary.
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22:41<blastwave>real programmers use od -Ax -t x1 -v
22:44<mnuhmnuh>i'll never be a real programmer. i'm still stuck loving perl.
22:44<blastwave>oh barf
22:45<blastwave>if it ain't gonna show you assembly or at least C or Fortran then it ain't a programming language
22:46*blastwave begins to froth at the mouth and sway back and forth chanting
22:49<blastwave>so then .. on other news and such .. any rumours that Debian will have RISC-V repo going this year ? Seems experimental atm .. along with a few ports falling into oddball situations like ppc64 and sparc64
22:56<blastwave>oh .. since there are a few geeks here .. can anyone ( else ) see this site --> https://www.tls13.net/
22:56<blastwave>it is TLS 1.3 protocol draft 28 only
22:57<mnuhmnuh>SSL error: error:1409442E:SSL routines:ssl3_read_bytes:tlsv1 alert protocol version - in w3m.
22:58<mnuhmnuh>w3m: Can't load https://www.tls13.net/.
22:58<blastwave>mnuhmnuh: okay .. so your browser can't access the site
22:58<mnuhmnuh>that browser. :-)
22:58<blastwave>mnuhmnuh: is that chrome or something like that or firefox ? latest firefox now supports TLS 1.3
22:59<mnuhmnuh>w3m is console text browser, a la lynx.
22:59<blastwave>oh hell .. okay .. unless it was linked to OpenSSL 1.1.1 then it won't work
22:59<mnuhmnuh>it handles https.
23:00<blastwave>right .. but only TLS 1.2 and then it falls over
23:00<mnuhmnuh>meh.
23:01<sarnold>"Well done. Your http client supports TLS v1.3" from firefox here
23:01<blastwave>sarnold: cool !
23:01<blastwave>that means that you can click a link that drags out CGI vars and stuff and should report SSL_CIPHER: TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
23:02<blastwave>also SSL_PROTOCOL: TLSv1.3 and tons of other details
23:02<mnuhmnuh>in ff-esr i get An error occurred during a connection to www.tls13.net. Peer reports incompatible or unsupported protocol version. Error code: SSL_ERROR_PROTOCOL_VERSION_ALERT
23:03<blastwave>mnuhmnuh: yeah .. that version of firefox won't process the protocol
23:03<blastwave>see https://community.qualys.com/thread/17796-tls-13-only and then https://tls13.crypto.mozilla.org/
23:04<blastwave>sarnold can hit everything but the firefox/mozilla devs are holding back the max tls version default as "3" when really you can set it to "4" in the about:config settings of your ff browser
23:04<mnuhmnuh>you web guys, you think i'm missing something? no, you're doin' it wrong if i'm not getting anywhere!
23:05<blastwave>mnuhmnuh: I'm not a web guy ... I am a programmer but I also work with OpenSSL sources and such and the TLS 1.3 protocol is already rolled out by amazon and google and the big akamai cache servers
23:07<blastwave>sure enough .. google.com is running TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 with 128-bit TLS 1.3
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23:08*mnuhmnuh won't give a flying !@#$ what G. does or wants, nor do i hate them. i just use ixquick instead.
23:09<blastwave>yep .. there is a lot of hatred flying around for google and I'm not a fan either. however generally you can test there stuff
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23:11<mnuhmnuh>honest, i've no hate for G.; in fact i admire them. i just don't like advertising bs, and corporates/artificial legal entities.
23:13<mnuhmnuh>prob. getting -offtopic.
23:13<blastwave>irc wass designed for offtopic .. you're fine
23:14<mnuhmnuh>#debian-offtopic was designed for offtopic.
23:21<blastwave>er .. okay .. hrmmm .. firmware warnings when I install something : W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8107e-2.fw for module r8169
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23:21<blastwave>I seem to recall some sort of a package that addresses that .. in the non-free area .. firmware stuff
23:22<mnuhmnuh>add "contrib non-free" in /etc/sources.list
23:22<blastwave>yeah ... I already have that
23:22<blastwave>trying to figure out what firmware-linux-free is
23:23<mnuhmnuh>aptitude search firmware
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23:23<blastwave>apt-cache search firmware --> kicks back the phonebook at me
23:23<mnuhmnuh>that's the only firmware pkg needed here
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23:25<mnuhmnuh>apt show firmware-linux-free
23:26<blastwave>oh .. that is helpful .. tells me .. it won't help. which is something
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23:27<mnuhmnuh>aptitude search firmware
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23:28<blastwave>well .. I may have to wander off to the debian-nvidia place to figure out the CUDA kit
23:28<blastwave>pardon me ... must wander off now
23:28*blastwave waves
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23:31<maxrazer>I found a bug in task-xfce-desktop in Debian testing and I really don't want to put myself in a public bug reporr
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