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---Logopened Sat Jul 28 00:00:52 2018
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00:35<mnuhmnuh>crap. vlc, cvlc both fail in both fluxbox & mate. sigh. used to work.
00:36<mnuhmnuh>sound still works via ff-esr
00:36<mnuhmnuh>sigh.
00:50<mnuhmnuh>mpv works and plays fine (mediteranian sunrise :-)
00:50<mnuhmnuh>huh.
00:52<mnuhmnuh>and, when i double-click on a title in caja, it fires up vlc, correctly! wtf?!?
00:54<mnuhmnuh>well, not correctly; no controls. sigh.
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01:20<mnuhmnuh>ridiculous. caja works. i hate things like caja. but, damn, it's playing Paco de Lucia Entra dos aguas as vlc usually does. gdamn.
01:27<mnuhmnuh>ah. playing another track (pink floyd division bell :-) brings up controls. wtf.
01:28<mnuhmnuh>nuts.
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01:57<mnuhmnuh>now, damnit, it works just as well as it ever did. not complaining.
01:58<mnuhmnuh>nuts.
02:05<mnuhmnuh>concerto andaluz for four guitars & orchestra, joachin rodrigo. beautiful.
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03:36<toralf>Running my first Debian ("stretch") since a week now I do wonder how to run the latest vanilla kernel together with it
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03:44<grove>If you really want to (but why would you), you'll have to compile it yourself. Once upon a time there was a tool called make-kpkg that might have helped, but it seems not to be available any more?
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04:14<arto>toralf: If you install software outiside debian repos, you loose security updates
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04:42<Marcyt>Good morning everyone!
04:44<arto>!ask
04:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
04:48<Marcyt>ty arto
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05:10<qqz>how can I ship something to the debug package when using dpkg-buildpackage
05:10<qqz>./usr/share/doc/qcoan-dbg/copyright always ends up in the binary package
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06:18<Synthea>Why if I open a kde program with sudo -u user it doesn't take other user visual settings and says QStandardPaths: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set, defaulting to '/tmp/runtime-$USER'?
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06:23<themill>because sudo cleanses the environment; avoiding sudo with X11 is generally best (and perhaps rethinking what you're doing to avoid running as X as root)
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06:24<themill>gksu or pkexec are better behaved
06:36<Synthea>themill, sudo -u user
06:37<Synthea>That doesn't mean I'm using root
06:38<Synthea>themill, well used gksu, pretty same thing
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12:07<ppc64>question regarding qemu. is there a way to get the 2.12 package from buster onto my stable system without ever having to deal with any other packagess from unstable?
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12:14<ppc64>also, new install here, the screensaver kicks me out of the desktop entirely and I have to log in again. Is there a way for the screensaver to just blank the screen and not log me out ?
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12:15<arto>ppc64: mixing stable and testing it's not advisable, if won't break immediatly, it can happen sometimes later
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12:16<ppc64>arto: okay .. sadly that means I need to build from the git repo into /usr/local and hope for the best
12:16<arto>ppc64: and for the screensaver, I don't know which you use, but usually they have settings you can adjust
12:17<ppc64>arto: yep .. playing with that .. seems to be a setting somewhere for xscreensaver to not kick me out
12:17<arto>ppc64: yes, in testing library version is propably different, and that causes severe problems
12:18<arto>ppc64: never used xscreensaver, but it's been around for sometime, I guess it can be modified, read man page first
12:18<ppc64>arto: I am fairly sure that a ./configure ; make cycle is worth a try from the git repo
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12:20<arto>ppc64: you can try it, git is better than mixing versios, have you checked backports?
12:21<ppc64>arto: nope. what I need is in qemu 3.0.0 anyways. thus I am stuck doing a build
12:21<arto>ppc64: ok, I hope you find working solution
12:22<ppc64>arto: me too. I bought a RISC-V board and also will need a qemu emulator
12:23<ppc64>sadly I may need to think along the lines of a newer powerpc type implementation also and qemu supports that .. slowly
12:23<arto>ppc64: that's something, I've been only tinkering with Raspberry
12:24<ppc64>arto: I never did get into the raspberry. everyone claims it is pretty darn cool however .. is that ARM or MIPS ?
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12:24<arto>ppc64: ARM or armel
12:24<ppc64>oh heck ... "el" is little endian right ?
12:25<arto>ppc64: at least debian version is armel
12:25<arto>ppc64: but I use Rasbian, offtopic
12:25<ppc64>hrmmm .. maybe the arm chip is able to operate either way ... I just never undersstood how little endian became so popular. has to be x86 influence
12:26<arto>ppc64: I think it was cheap price (I mean, 10£!!), well documented
12:27<ppc64>essentially free
12:27<ppc64>okay .. thanks for the input .. I will wander off and try a qemu build
12:27<arto>ppc64: anyways, this is #debian, it was me who started towards offtopiv
12:27<arto>ppc64: good luck!
12:28<ppc64>not a problem ... cheers !
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12:54<dragon12>can anyone help me with error failed to stop secondary CPUs?
12:54<dragon12>i've kernel panic
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13:11<Brigo>dragon12, i guess you've found a bug.
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13:22<arto>dragon12: what are you doing? I've got kernel panic only once, when I compliled kernel with wrong option
13:23<dragon12>i'm doing encryption of raspberry pi
13:24<dragon12>https://robpol86.com/raspberry_pi_luks.html
13:25<arto>!raspberry
13:25<dpkg>The Raspberry Pi is an open hardware design based on a Broadcom system-on-a-chip, requiring <non-free> <firmware>. Debian's <armel> port works fine, but does not use the Pi's hardware floating point unit. Debian's <armhf> port targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it. http://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi http://www.raspberrypi.org/ #raspberrypi on irc.freenode.net.
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14:02<dragon12>!help
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14:09<grove>!ask
14:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:10<annadane>dragon12's question seems self explanatory
14:11<annadane>unfortunately i know nothing of how to fix it or how to encrypt a pi
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15:06<Synthea>I'm searching a server that has the functionalities of unbound plus the functionalities of authoritative ns like bind/nsd, someone can suggest me?
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16:20<ach>!powerdns
16:20<dpkg>PowerDNS is a DNS server supporting a large number of different backends (e.g. BIND zone files, relational databases, LDAP). The authoritative server is packaged as pdns-server, the resolving DNS server is packaged as pdns-recursor. https://www.powerdns.com/ http://wiki.powerdns.com/ #powerdns on irc.oftc.net. Not to be confused with <pdnsd>.
16:23<Synthea>OH
16:23<Synthea>GONNA TRY THAT
16:23<Synthea>°^°
16:26<Synthea>ach they can share information between them? I won't have something ugly like pdns-recursor sending dns queries to pdns-server?
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16:40<jhutchins>Oh goody, let's have ANOTHER DNS server to learn and maintain.
16:40<jhutchins>The fact that bind does the job just fine means it's time to FORK!
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17:01<ach>!dpkg
17:01<dpkg>somebody said dpkg was the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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17:14<Synthea>jhutchins, >bind doesn't handle good forms of simple domain block/redirect
17:15<Synthea>>actually create a zonefile for every goddamn dns server you want to local spoof
17:16<Synthea>s/dns server/host
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20:07<scorbin_>having an issue running zabbix server. When I start via systemd i get an error from fping saying permission denied when I can run fping just find from zabbix user cli. and I also get an error saying zabbix server can't stat my /tmp/zabbix-snmptraps.tmp file when it can be accessed fine from cli. if I su - zabbix, /usr/sbin/zabbix_server --foreground -c /etc/zabbix/zabbix_server.conf (same command line and user systemd uses to start) then everything wo
20:07<annadane>rks
20:09<scorbin_>any ideas
20:09<annadane>not from me, someone probably knows though
20:12<scorbin_>thanks, I will hang out for a whil. anything that anyone can offer at this point would be extremely well appreciated
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20:30<annadane>scorbin_, i guess if no one answers here for a while try the mailing list... debian-user@lists.debian.org
20:30<scorbin_>awesome I will definitely try that if I don't get a response after a while
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22:19<RealHumanBeing>I need the technical support
22:19<RealHumanBeing>oh
22:19<RealHumanBeing>nvm
22:21<RealHumanBeing>I did wpa_supplicant thing and it said success but I still have no internet connection
22:21<RealHumanBeing>I do need support
22:23<annadane>well we're here to give support
22:23<annadane>i guess you'd probably use ifup
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22:25<RealHumanBeing>ifup?
22:26<RealHumanBeing>is it the same as ifconfig wlan1 up?
22:26<annadane>not sure. i don't know that much.
22:27<RealHumanBeing>Is it helpful that I'm on turnkey
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22:27<RealHumanBeing>It said lease failed when I used ifup
22:27<annadane>i'd ask someone who actually knows stuff and isn't an idiot. aka, not me. i'm sure someone will get around to your question
22:28<RealHumanBeing>okay I have a simpler question then
22:29<RealHumanBeing>how do I set my ssid and password?
22:29<RealHumanBeing>that's what really is wrong,
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22:31<blast007>RealHumanBeing: you're using TurnKey Linux?
22:35<RealHumanBeing>yes
22:35<RealHumanBeing>on jessi
22:37<blast007>!turnkey
22:37<dpkg>TurnKey Linux is a project providing ready-to-use "virtual appliances" packaged as live CDs, which are based on <Ubuntu> 8.04.3 LTS. TurnKey Linux appliances are not supported in #debian. http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ #turnkey on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on Debian>.
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22:37<RealHumanBeing>on
22:37<RealHumanBeing>ok
22:38<blast007>looks like that factoid is a bit out of date regarding what it's based on, but still probably gets support on that channel
22:43<mnuhmnuh>RealHumanBeing: fwiw, we've two choices: handle ifaces in /etc/network/interfaces, or use network-manager (nm-applet) to do it. the latter gnores any handled in the former.
22:48<RealHumanBeing>fwiw?
22:50<Brigo>RealHumanBeing, https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FWIW
22:51<RealHumanBeing>I think interfaces are already handled, I just can't set the ssid or password correctly, it just says nothing is set in iwconfig
22:52<mnuhmnuh>RealHumanBeing: using a router? you should find them via its web gui iface.
22:54<RealHumanBeing>i don't know how to set the ssid in wpa_supplicant
22:54<RealHumanBeing>i know the ssid and password of the router
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22:55<Brigo>RealHumanBeing, you do it using /etc/network/interfaces or network-manager
22:56<mnuhmnuh>RealHumanBeing: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse?highlight=%28wpa_supplicant%29
22:56<RealHumanBeing>okay ill give that a look
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22:59<giaco>hello!
23:02<giaco>I am trying to debootstrap a mipsel machine. Problem is that after the script has successfully downloaded and extract all the debs I've found out that any debian mipsel package (even the static ones) quits with "Illegal instruction". What is strange is that if I manually cross-compile C code from another debian stretch machine with mipsel-linux-gnu-gcc <myfile.c> it works
23:03<giaco>is the mipsel repo broken?
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23:04<RealHumanBeing>okay after doing the above, ifup outputs the same error, nolease, failing
23:05*mnuhmnuh drat. suppose wiki needs updating.
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23:07<rajulocal>Can anyone reproduce the syntax highlighting issue in vim - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/vim_use/3qEZ97xdPA0 ? I am trying to determine if the problem is somehow specific to myself or to debian's vim or upstream's vim.
23:07<RealHumanBeing>looks like we all got questions
23:12<mnuhmnuh>RealHumanBeing: that's why we're here. we can't all be masters of everything.
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23:28<RealHumanBeing>freenode is not working for me so it looks like this channel is my only choice
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23:33<mnuhmnuh>react: yeah, looks like their latest abuse episode proddem into registered only.
23:34<blast007>he was probably trying to join #turnkey since that's what he is running, not Debian
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23:38<mnuhmnuh>crap. should'a booted him long ago. missed that.
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23:48<mnuhmnuh>... to the back of my mind, i mean.
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