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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-08-03

---Logopened Fri Aug 03 00:00:50 2018
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00:34<mikerider>twofish?
00:35<mikerider>+OK SxCIa.uYRsyYW3Die.VqYVN.tNbQz.tK4MY/
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00:38<ach>!serpent
00:38<mikerider>blowfish key testing
00:38<mikerider>initial cipher
00:39<mikerider>then meetup
00:39<ach>http://en.kryptotel.net/serpent.html
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04:13<ejr>how can i download a package for debian from the debian website including all the dependencies when i am not on a debian system?
04:13<ejr>(for later use on an offline machine that is)
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04:14<Brigo>ejr, i would use apt install --print-uris and use the links provided.
04:14<jm_>tried apt-offline?
04:14<sarnold>if you don't mind a bit of overkill, a full archive mirror is one possibility
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04:15<ejr>Brigo / jm_ : as i said, i am not on a debian system, os that falls flat
04:15<ejr>sarnold: i don't mind that but how would i use that mirror on my offline system?
04:16<ejr>by just selecting the .deb packages individually from the files and then dpkg -i ?
04:16<jm_>ejr: did you read its description?This signature file can be used on another machine connected to the internet (which need not be a Debian box and can even be running windows) to download the updates.
04:16<sarnold>ejr: you could either serve your archive mirror with nginx etc or you could mount it directly, or over nfs, and configure the sources.list to reach your mirror
04:17<ejr>jm_: ah ok, well, i could try that. though to have an entire mirror available for later cases of offline installations might be useful anyway, so i might go with sarnold's suggestion
04:17<ejr>sarnold: thanks, i will look into that
04:17<ejr>thx jm_ too
04:17<jm_>ejr: yeah or DVD-s etc., apt-cdrom can add them to sources.list
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04:26<ejr>jm_: that sounds like an even better option; thanks. am torrenting the DVDs rn
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04:32<jm_>no problem
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10:25<grummund>is there an apt-get remove option to run non-interactively but fail if more packages than those specified would be removed?
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10:33<arto>grummund: no that I would know, but not hard to do in script
10:35<grummund>arto: how would you script that?
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10:42<arto>grummund: in bash there is variable that tells how many arguments there was
10:43<arto>grummund: if that would be greater than on, it would quit, other wise call apt-get and purge
10:43<arto>*greater than one
10:44<grummund>arto: maybe the question was not clear ?
10:44<arto>grummund: what did I understand wrong?
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10:46<arto>grummund: oh, you mean dependencies ?
10:46<grummund>yes
10:46<themill>--trivial-only perhaps?
10:47<grummund>themill: seems not, but that i was hoping for.
10:47<arto>grummund: isn't that the norm? apt-get suggest using apt autoremove
10:48<themill>aptitude markauto would have that effect
10:49<grummund>actually, what is the behaviour if no additional packages are to be removed? does it still ask y/n to continue?
10:49<themill>it always asls
10:50<grummund>ok. no big deal, it was as much a curiosity than anything.
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11:05<Sansar>hi, I just reinstalled debian xfce but can't see catfish in repos as well. Are there any other file searching program for xfce?
11:06<themill>,i catfish
11:06<judd>Package catfish (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: File searching tool which is configurable via the command line. Version: 1.2.2-1; Size: 82.0k; Installed: 485k; Homepage: https://launchpad.net/catfish-search; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/catfish
11:08<Sansar>sorry, not available in testing
11:08<Sansar>are there any other alternatives to catfish?
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11:09<arto>!debian-next
11:09<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
11:09<Sansar>argh, sorry, again the wrong channel. sorry guys.
11:09<annadane>you can look on https://alternativeto.net/software/catfish/ and search packages.debian.org to see if they're available in testing and also whether they're free/non-free
11:10<annadane>also the arch wiki has a long list of applications
11:10<annadane>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/List_of_applications#Finders
11:10<annadane>Sansar, ^
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11:10<annadane>see if those are available in testing as well
11:11<Sansar>annadane: thanks, I will take a look. Catfish was really nice though.
11:13<annadane>Sansar, you can probably also just install catfish from sid
11:14<Sansar>annadane: Really afraid to install something from sid. Messed up once the whole system. Still on the learning process though not as "noob" as before.
11:14<themill>You'll just find out whether #776798 hits you or not
11:14<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/776798 in catfish (open): «catfish: never stops searching -- doesn't find anything»; severity: serious; opened: 2015-02-01; last modified: 2018-05-28.
11:16<Sansar>well, I found a nice alternative called "recoll". Let me give it a chance.
11:18<annadane>that bug a) is filed back in 2015 when... jessie? was stable and also bugs in sid are fixed really quickly
11:19<annadane>so... do as you will but should be fine
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11:20*themill suspects that bug is sufficiently irreproducible it's not work keeping open
11:21<annadane>oh i was going to mention that too, the last comment is "i can't reproduce" essentially
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11:41<sdk>By any chance, does anymore know which package I need to have the gtk3-widget-factory?
11:45<arto>sdk: apt-file says gtk-3-examples
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11:49<mnuhmnuh>why are so many reporting, seems all of a sudden, about aptitude failng to find ldconfig?!? use "su -", not "su"! sheesh.
11:50<annadane>yes well because su - is environment agnostic
11:50<annadane>and should be preferred in general
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11:51<jhutchins_wk>We had this discussion on freenode yesterday.
11:54<mnuhmnuh>if /sbin was in the default user's PATH, it wouldn't be a problem. why it's *still* not, i can't fathom. why the !@#$ not?!? 'cause the user my try to use ifconfig? horrors!
11:55<annadane>#debian-offtopic ...
11:55<mnuhmnuh>i've been kvetching about this silliness for more than a decade.
11:56<mnuhmnuh>true.
11:56<sdk>arto: ty
11:56<themill>except dpkg should set PATH before running the maintainer script anyway
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11:56<arto>sdk: no problem
11:58<arto>I'm subscribed to these lists: debian-announce, debian-l10n-finnish, debian-news, debian-security-announce, debian-stable-announcem, debian-www, whitelist. Last week I filed a bug using reportbug. After that I have received many whislist requests from submit@bugs.debian.org. Which one should I unsubscribe to prevent that?
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12:55<mnuhmnuh>jhutchins_wk: just curious, did your discussion on freenode reach any conclusions?
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13:04<jhutchins_wk>mnuhmnuh: Yes, there are resons for having both su and su - available and with different behaviors. RedHat says it's "for backward compatibility". There was a distro that kludged su so that it would be have like su - for root, but that seems to have gone away.
13:05<jhutchins_wk>I agree with the philosoph that /sbin should not be in the normal user's path.
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13:07<jhutchins_wk>If you're going to run something in /sbin as a regular user, you should know enough to use the path. If you don't, you shouldn't be running it.
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