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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-08-06

---Logopened Mon Aug 06 00:00:24 2018
---Daychanged Mon Aug 06 2018
00:00-!-cpaelzer [~paelzer@128-060-210-188.ip-addr.inexio.net] has joined #debian
00:00-!-cpaelzer is "Christian Ehrhardt" on #virt #debian #debian-qemu
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00:51-!-t3chn0 is "Ubi dubium ibi libertas" on #debian-offtopic #debian-es #debian-devel-es #debian
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05:44-!-EmleyMoor is "Phil Reynolds" on #debian
05:47<EmleyMoor>I'm copying from my phone storage to my Debian box... some of the ~7k items cannot be copied. If I choose "Skip All", would that skip only the ones it can't copy or all remaining? Further, is there any easy way to make my phone appear as a filesystem accessible in a shell? It's mtp-based...
05:48<arto>EmleyMoor: I'm using Filemanager on android phone over wifi
05:49<arto>EmleyMoor: app is File Manager+
05:49<EmleyMoor>arto: ...
05:49<EmleyMoor>I'd consider it but right now I'm preparing to "nuke and pave" my phone
05:50<arto>EmleyMoor: :)
05:50<arto>EmleyMoor: on my old phone, used jmtpfs
05:51<arto>EmleyMoor: jmtfs on Debian, I mean
05:52<arto>jmtpfs!!
05:53<Anarka>adb shell gives you shell access but unless you have root some files will still be unavailable
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17:01<Squeezer>How do I use virglrenderer in testing?
17:02<Squeezer>Oh, and hello.
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20:49<scientes>how can i debug why my computer keeps crashing
20:49<scientes>i can sysrq, but otherwise its totally locked up
20:49<scientes>I can't switch virtual terminals
20:50<annadane>i guess dmesg is a good place to look, but let me guess, do you have an nvidia card?
20:50<scientes>yeah nvidia
20:50<scientes>with nouveau driver
20:50<scientes>I can't access dmesg
20:50<scientes>and it doesn't get written to disk
20:50<annadane>and what desktop? nouveau kind of sucks and you're encouraged to use the proprietary driver
20:51<scientes>gnome-desktop
20:51<scientes>Does intel make discrete cards?
20:51<annadane>i don't know what's causing it but that's basically your answer, unfortunately. install nvidia-detect, run it and it will tell you which nvidia package to install
20:51<annadane>i don't know, re: intel
20:52<scientes>how do i turn on llvmpipe?
20:52<scientes>and see if that fixes it
20:52<scientes>(software graphics)
20:52<scientes>cause i'll buy a new graphics card if that fixes it
20:53<scientes>i'd rather not use nvidia propritary
20:53<scientes>it use to work fine
20:53<scientes>but i could say what kernel version
20:53<scientes>the problem is that its intermittent
20:54<scientes>i get around 30 minutes of use before it crashes
20:54<annadane>yeah, sounds like nouveau to me... trust me, i used to run kde with it, which is essentially the same as gnome re: resources
20:54<annadane>nouveau just is not of a high quality, it's not their fault, nvidia doesn't cooperate with them
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21:08<annadane>(not that nvidia is of high quality either...)
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21:20<mnuhmnuh>does journalctl work for regular users normally on a fresh install? or does it work for me _because_ i've added my user to adm group?
21:21<annadane>yes it works on a fresh install
21:21<annadane>it's not persistent though, you'd need to mkdir /var/log/journal
21:24<mnuhmnuh>well, then why is dmesg locked down if journalctl works? they'll both tell pretty much anything about what's going on.
21:26<mnuhmnuh>and i have no /var/log/journal, fwiw.
21:28<annadane>i get No journal files were opened due to insufficient permissions. so apparently i need to be root
21:28<annadane>but i thought i got it working without root before, who knows
21:28<annadane>also sorry, i didn't realize you said regular users
21:29<annadane>apparently no it doesn't
21:29<mnuhmnuh>ah. so it's my fault my mere user can use journalctl.
21:30<mnuhmnuh>that's at least consistent.
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21:35<mnuhmnuh>journalctl is in the man 1 user commands section, fwiw, not not man 8 sys admin.
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