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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-08-07

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00:19<sakax>pcie_aspm=force i915.i915_enable_rc6=1 i915.i915_enable_fbc=1 i915.lvds_downclock=1
00:19<sakax>what is the purpose of these grub boot parameters?
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02:59<ixavik>hi all
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03:40<aidalgol>Is there a Debian package that includes GTK3 dark themes?
03:41<aidalgol>Whatever my system is using now isn't being affected by gtk-application-prefer-dark-theme=1
03:41<aidalgol>Either that or only certain apps aren't respecting it.
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04:05<hanasaki>if this is my local display... what do I set on the remote host to run the gui remotely DISPLAY=:1
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04:11<jm_>if you use ssh -X you don't need to set it manually
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04:12<jm_>otherwise you need to ensure your X server accepts remote connections at all (disabled by default AFAIR)
04:12<jm_>and then you specify DISPLAY=hostname:0 normally
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04:24<datashaman>hi all, how do I either: force a install of a local .deb file, or tag it during build so it supersedes the versionfound from the repository?
04:24<datashaman>I have a local .deb file which I'm trying to install, but it *always* uses the repo version...
04:25<datashaman>prolly cos they have the same version number
04:25<Anarka>are you using apt to install it ?
04:25<Anarka>sorry but seems like it the way you wrote..
04:26<datashaman>i've tried apt, dpkg and gdebi
04:26<Anarka>dpkg -i file.deb
04:26*dpkg removes a lung from anarka and replaces it with file.deb
04:26<Anarka>=)
04:27<datashaman>you'd think that works, but the binaries installed indicate it's not the correct one
04:27<datashaman>timestamps are incorrect
04:27<Anarka>remove the apt installed package, you maybe compiled using /usr/local paths
04:28<datashaman>tried that :)
04:28<datashaman>no binaries for this pkg found in /usr/local/bin
04:29<Anarka>you can see the contents using dpkg -c file.deb, but either way remove first the one from debian with apt and then install your deb
04:30<datashaman>hmmm
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04:30<datashaman>the thlot pickens
04:30<datashaman>the files in the .deb file are old. hmm.
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04:31<jm_>datashaman: bump its version number
04:31<jm_>then apt won't pick the one from repository
04:32<datashaman>anyone know the magic command line to clean a debian build?
04:34<datashaman>found something
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05:00<peter1138>Well that's one way of clearing the channel.
05:00<datashaman>so it is installing the correct thing, but the .deb file contains incorrect files. I'm building it using debuild, I've cleaned properly, but it seems to ignore my built files and put the upstream files into the .deb files. I can see the correct timestamps in the built artefacts in the source folder, but it's not using those at all. Anyhone have a clue?
05:01<datashaman>My build artefacts are current, but the files in the .deb files are dated July 5th.
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05:49<dragast>hello, I am trying to create a .deb package and I wanted to ask if I really need to use "debconf" for my postinst scripts
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05:51<petn-randall>dragast: You don't have to, but your postinst script shouldn't edit conffiles without asking the user. At least if you want to package something for Debian.
05:54<dragast>should I offer the user to merge my conf and the existing one or is there another standard way of doing this?
05:57<petn-randall>dragast: Well, there's debconf ...
05:57<dragast>I see :)
05:57<petn-randall>dragast: Is there a reason you don't want to use this?
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05:57<dragast>it seems like added complexity to me, because I already have a bash script in place
05:59<dragast>also, another quick question: this place (#debian) seems quiet, is it always like this?
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06:00<petn-randall>dragast: Depends on the time of day, but #debian on freenode is a bit busier.
06:00<petn-randall>dragast: If you want to include the package in Debian, you can ask in #debian-mentors, otherwise in #packaging.
06:00<dragast>it's not for official distribution (yet)
06:02<dragast>but it will be deployed on a fair ammount of servers that my company manages, so I wanted some input on this
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07:10<Sansar>Hi, is there any .deb package for conky manager that we can install it independently as it is not in repos?
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07:14<peter1138>We'll never know.
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10:11<Sansar>hello, is there any conky manager .deb file for debian?
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10:12<Sansar>Just found a website but it directs to a non-valid dropbox link
10:14<coruja>just found this website: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=136730
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10:14<coruja>moar
10:14<coruja>lord, give him patience
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10:20<annadane>Sansar, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=136730
10:20<jitterstick>Sorting... Done
10:20<jitterstick>Full Text Search... Done
10:20<jitterstick>conky/stable 1.10.6-1 all
10:20<jitterstick> highly configurable system monitor (transitional package)
10:21<jitterstick>have you tried enabling the contrib and non-free repos?
10:21<jitterstick>my apt search finds it
10:21<annadane>conky is not in contrib/non-free
10:21<Sansar>I got conky but "conky manager" is what I need
10:21<annadane>and they're asking about a conky _manager_
10:21<jitterstick>just run apt search conky
10:22<Sansar>annadane: I saw the link you mentioned, the .deb files mentioned there are not available
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10:22<annadane>i see nothing with apt search conky
10:22<annadane>there's conky-all but apt show conky-all doesn't mention a manager
10:24<jitterstick>https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/conky
10:25<annadane>that still doesn't answer the question
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10:26<jitterstick>try here http://www.teejeetech.in/2014/06/conky-manager-v2-released.html
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10:27<annadane>just don't install from PPA - or https://wiki.debian.org/CreatePackageFromPPA
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10:31<jitterstick>there is a debian 32 and 64 on the site if you scroll down.
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10:32<Sansar>annadane: I am not willing to install from PPA for obvious reasons
10:32<Sansar>however it is pretty much complex thing without that manager
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10:33<Sansar>jitterstick: .deb package links are dead on the website
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10:40<arto>Sansar: foreign debs are risky too, you for instance can't find what compilier has been used
10:41<annadane>how well is compton known to work with the proprietary nvidia driver?
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11:02<jitterstick>https://www.linux.com/learn/how-install-and-configure-conky
11:03<jitterstick>follow those instructions for config without the manager
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11:22<jitterstick>this is without the manager. https://ibb.co/dDtrdz
11:24<arto>jitterstick: I think Sansar has left
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11:48<willemb>So I have a bunch of servers just recently upgraded to jessie (just in time before wheezy went away). To make everything work, I had to install some packages from backports, including e2fsprogs and systemd.
11:48<willemb>I wasn't worried about that, because Jessie will be LTS for a long time, right?
11:49<annadane>LTS until 2020
11:49<willemb>Until the surprise was sprung on me that, although jessie will be available until 2020, all the packages I installed from jessie-backports will be getting no support at all
11:50<willemb>that's a bit of a bummer
11:50<annadane>i'm not quite sure what LTS entails. it's apparently "server packages" (so like, not things like gimp) but beyond that i don't know
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11:56<jitterstick>here is a new screen after i changed the devices in the conkyrc files to match my system. https://ibb.co/kQG2Jz
11:57<jitterstick>first i have heard of conky. It looks nice.
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12:01<annadane>willemb, also FYI jessie-backports was discontinued
12:02<annadane>don't know if that means "no new backports" or "no security support for backports"
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12:02<willemb>i thik it means both
12:02<willemb>does that mean I am stuffed?
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12:02<willemb>have to choose between upgrading to stretch, or downgrading everything installed from backports?
12:02<arto>that's no surpise considering the nature of backports, they are more like a service
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12:05<arto>I would upgrade
12:05<willemb>bummer
12:05<willemb>we thought we had 2 years still
12:05<willemb>and we only just finished upgrading our 3000+ servers TO Jessie
12:06<willemb>does anyone have a link to an announcement to the jessie-backports discontinuation handy?
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12:07<annadane>i had the email but i deleted it
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12:09<arto>https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports-announce/2018/07/msg00000.html
12:09<willemb>thank you very much
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12:15<Squeezer>Hey, hey.
12:16<arto>!ask
12:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:16<willemb>How do I downgrade systemd from jessie-backports to jessie version?
12:17<annadane>apt install systemd t=jessie? or whatever the syntax is from target
12:17<annadane>be forewarned i think it'd require a reboot
12:17*annadane consults man page
12:17<willemb>yeah. it's more complicated than that
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12:18<willemb>if it was something simpler, I would give that same advice
12:18<arto>willemb: possible, but not recommended, it is not easy to *downgrade*
12:19<willemb>Jessie is quite an interesting release
12:19<willemb>As far as I remember, systemd 215 on jessie didn't support specifying group= in unit files, even though nothing in the docs says so, it just didn't work out
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12:19<iXavik>Is it secure always copy paste password and login to identify?
12:20<willemb>and there is cgroup support, but not for resource limits, just from logical grouping
12:20<iXavik>Sorry for flood, not about Debian, but...
12:20<willemb>iXavik: login to what?
12:20<willemb>malware could be watching your clipboard?
12:20<iXavik>Msg nickserv identify...
12:20<iXavik>Yep
12:21<annadane>you can also just set up your irc client to auto authenticate
12:21<annadane>anyway, sorry, i don't know about downgrading systemd, if it really is that simple or not
12:21<arto>iXavik: malware could also record your keyboard usage
12:21<annadane>should let the actual experts step in here
12:22<iXavik>Secure or not secure and how to secure? It's a question)))
12:22<willemb>iXavik: I think the gist of it is 'nothing is always secure'. The question is 'more secure than what?'
12:22<Squeezer>I have a problem with fancontrol, I'm currently running Debian version buster/sid but it occured also with stretch. After running the system for a while it will shut down. Here is the output: https://paste.debian.net/1037050/
12:23<arto>I've read downgrading requires deep understanding of Debian internals
12:23<arto>!Debian-next
12:23<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
12:24<petn-randall>!downgrade
12:24<dpkg>Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
12:24<annadane>it's very very easy to get stuck in tier 1 support mode and offer easy answers to simple questions, which leads to stupid things like "just use t=jessie"
12:24<annadane>it's lazy and stupid and i apologize
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12:25<willemb>no apology neccessary
12:25<willemb>I have used apt and apt-get (and aptitude) to up and downgrade packages successfully before
12:26<willemb>systemd/linux-image-amd64/ifupdown/udev seems to resist it much harder than say, apache/dovecot/exim
12:27<Squeezer>I've read https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/hwmon/k10temp but I need a solution preventing my system from shutting down once in a while.
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12:28<petn-randall>systemd is a bit more tricky to downgrade, since it's a essential part of the OS. Just try downgrading it and keep a rescue USB stick in reserver in case things breka.
12:32<annadane>alternatively, copy your system's configuration to a vm, and if it works ...
12:32<annadane>once in a vm, once with bare metal, and if they both check out you can begin rolling it out
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12:43<Squeezer>Now I've added acpi_osi=Linux to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT, maybe it helps.
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13:06<Squeezer>Maybe it helps, got to find it out by letting the CPU idle for a while. https://paste.debian.net/1037059/
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13:08<grummund>Hi, the 'badblocks' command appears not to do what it says on the man page...
13:08<grummund>more specfically the -i option isn't skipping specified blocks as it should - https://paste.debian.net/1037058/
13:09*grummund after a sanity check he's reading that right.
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13:11<petn-randall>grummund: Are you sure that's the format badblocks is expecting the block list?
13:12<grummund>petn-randall: fscanf(in, "%llu\n", &inblk) <-- that's the code that reads it.
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14:25<SCBrian>Afternoon all. Looking for some insight to a problem I seem to be having with FTP on my debian machine. The easiest off network device I can use to access it remotly is my phone. If I FTP in OTA it drops me in my home directory with no access/listings to anything above/in/below me. If I connect to an external WIFI and go in with the phone (Same Client) I get full access. I have not blacklisted any IP's etc. Thoughts?
14:26<grummund>logs
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14:28<badbread>hi all, looking for an rdp server that handles 2 factor authentication from a windows RDP session, anyone know of such a thing? Or another method to secure a remote session with 2 factor. Thanks.
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14:30<badbread>It doesn't look like xrdp supports something like duo-pam just yet...
14:30<SCBrian>@grummund - looking. not in var/logs/
14:34<SCBrian>@grummund here is todays log where 1 connected fine (Chic-fil-a Wifi) and one didnt OTA TMobie
14:34<SCBrian>Tue Aug 7 03:36:54 2018 [pid 27865] CONNECT: Client "::ffff:74.82.47.3"
14:34<SCBrian>Tue Aug 7 12:31:51 2018 [pid 9290] CONNECT: Client "::ffff:96.65.135.61"
14:34<SCBrian>Tue Aug 7 12:31:51 2018 [pid 9289] [brian] OK LOGIN: Client "::ffff:96.65.135.61"
14:34<SCBrian>Tue Aug 7 12:32:52 2018 [pid 9332] CONNECT: Client "::ffff:172.56.27.202"
14:34<SCBrian>Tue Aug 7 12:32:52 2018 [pid 9331] [brian] OK LOGIN: Client "::ffff:172.56.27.202"
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14:34<blast007>!paste
14:34<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
14:35<SCBrian>(Forgets antispam)
14:35<mnuhmnuh>naughty, naughty.
14:36<SCBrian>yea, here: paste.debian.net/1037075 :)
14:36<mnuhmnuh>pastebinit is a tres cool little app.
14:36<grummund>SCBrian: i can't help with your issue, sorry. but fwiw, you haven't even mentioned which ftpd you use.
14:37<SCBrian>sorry, vsftpd, Heck, I'm open to any thoughts, helpfull or not... lol
14:38<jitterstick>vinagre is an RDP
14:38<grummund>SCBrian: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=debian+vsftpd+logs
14:41<SCBrian>Thanks! I'll dig deeper. Didnt know if this was a common problem I was just missing or a one-off. :)
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14:42<grummund>yes it's fairly common that people ask without looking for logs... and fairly common not to use a search engine to find where those logs might be.
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18:13<BadAtComputer>Hello everyone. After a full-upgrade of my sid install, lightdm 1.18.3 takes about a minute to display the desktop after login. Looking at lightdm.log, all I can find is a minute of "silence" and then [+52.80s] DEBUG: Activating VT 7. I am not sure how to continue troubleshooting, are there any other logs I should be monitoring?
18:16<mnuhmnuh>try /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
18:16<ais-admin>What is the line in the log immediately before DEBUG: Activating VT 7?
18:18<BadAtComputer>that would be [+15.15s] DEBUG: Session pid=1027: Logging to .xsession-errors
18:18<BadAtComputer>however i can't seem to find anything useful
18:18<BadAtComputer>i will take a look at Xorg.0.log
18:20<BadAtComputer>there are no time gaps in Xorg.0.log like the one in lightdm.log
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18:24<petn-randall>BadAtComputer: There's also #debian-next, where all the sid users hang out. Might be worth asking there.
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18:27<BadAtComputer>right, that sounds like a good idea. i will try to gather more information first. thank you for the suggestion
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18:29<ais-admin>BadAtComputer, do you happen to have any serial devices (like a stylus) installed?
18:31<BadAtComputer>ais-admin, no, only some usb devices. is it related?
18:32<ais-admin>well I found a bug report of some serial drivers causing a similar issue but its not the solution in your case
18:35<ais-admin>sorry - got nothing else
18:35<BadAtComputer>i see. the only similar report related to my problem is a very recent question on askubuntu.com with no answers.
18:35<BadAtComputer>thank you ais-admin
18:38<petn-randall>BadAtComputer: My guess is that dbus is not running/starting properly.
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18:48<BadAtComputer>all right, i will try to see if dbus is working properly. at least systemd reports it as active and running
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19:48<BadAtComputer>all i know is that lightdm fails unless i switch to tty 1, log in, switch back to 7 and log in again. interesting
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19:51<BadAtComputer>maybe it's not a lightdm issue after all
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19:53<scientes>is there any way I can get the ubuntu side-bar in Debian?
19:53<scientes>I like it
19:53<scientes>gnome side-bar
19:56<BadAtComputer>scientes, what desktop environment are you using?
19:56<scientes>gnome
19:56<scientes>ubuntu uses gnome now, but they have a side-bar
19:56<scientes>I just wanted that side-bar
19:56<BadAtComputer>i think the dash to dock gnome extension is similar to what you want
19:56<BadAtComputer>https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/307/dash-to-dock/
19:56<scientes>maybe something for utnubu
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21:36<mnuhmnuh>cool: https://wiki.debian.org/WhyTheName # lots of obscure historical minutia. :-)
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