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06:01<peterg>hi guys
06:01<jitterstick>!chat
06:01<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
06:02<peterg>desperately looking for some skilled Linux guy, especially with working practice on network namespaces
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06:03<petn-randall>peterg: Is this a job offer?
06:03<peterg>I run Debian 9.5, so still go away?
06:03<peterg>have to..
06:03<jitterstick>eth0
06:03<jitterstick>ath-
06:03<jitterstick>wlp2s0
06:03<jitterstick>ath0
06:03<petn-randall>jitterstick: Do you have a Debian support question?
06:04<jitterstick>he asked about namespaces
06:04<petn-randall>jitterstick: Please don't spam the channel with non-sense then.
06:04<petn-randall>peterg: Do you have a support question, or are you looking for a freelancer?
06:04<jitterstick>sounds like you have it then. good day.
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06:08<peterg>looking for a guy, to optionally go private and tell him what the heck does not work when set up guidelines are sick easy.. I also opened a bug on it, but who knows when somebody reacts
06:08<peterg>so I'm finding my way back to IRC after those many years
06:09<peterg>to learn from true linux users, as I've started just previous year..
06:09<petn-randall>peterg: So just ask your question then. Private support is usually exchanged for money.
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06:11<peterg>OK, I setup easily namespace, create some VLAN device, moved to that namespace, set IP address and up status -> and pinging that local IP@ in given namespace does not work
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06:12<peterg>what I want to get is to have single Linux machine behaving like more hosts, and sending various streams using netcat over live network between separated interfaces
06:12<peterg>easy task
06:13<peterg>but I managed it to work yest with phy iface... then it stopped working...
06:14<peterg>so it's instable, or still something missing... the guidelines say something about veth devices to connect private and rooot (global ns), but I don't think it's needed
06:14<peterg>so the question is , who has been using ns in his life...
06:15<arto>!ask
06:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
06:15<peterg>cuz I've got from some everyday users then never used this :-D
06:15<peterg>mean professional Linux admins..
06:16<petn-randall>!goal
06:16<dpkg>Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
06:16<petn-randall>peterg: network namespaces are quite a niche thing to use, what is your goal? ^^^
06:16<peterg>I think I said = goal is to have L2/L3 separated interfaces on single host
06:16<petn-randall>That's what you think the solution is. What is your goal?
06:17<peterg>Well, then I need to turn to somewhere else then..
06:17<peterg>I've said... thanks for your "help"
06:17<petn-randall>peterg: Good luck finding help then.
06:17<jitterstick>well connect both of them and direct traffic per address with applications.
06:18<io>10:08:53 <peterg> so I'm finding my way back to IRC after those many years <-- since you've put it like that, I'll just chip in here that the 'response' you've received is perhaps because there are so many "hi, can I ask a question?" followed by *user has quit; so it gets a bit tiring - hence the apparent terseness; don't worry, you'll see it on most channels if it's a question about asking a question. :)
06:18<peterg>thanks dpkg for that email address
06:18<petn-randall>peterg: If you need multiple IP addresses, that can easily be accomplished without namespaces. But I'm still guessing because I don't know what you need it for.
06:18<petn-randall>peterg: dpkg is a bot.
06:18<petn-randall>dpkg: are you a bot?
06:18<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
06:20<petn-randall>peterg: Also multiple network interfaces can be accomplished without network namespaces. So it really comes down to your application.
06:21<jelly>you can give the bot a !botsnack
06:22<peterg>Look, im networking guy, finding for VRF-like functionality, which also became part of Kernel recently, but this does not fit my needs. So I need namespace to put there whichever app I want
06:22<peterg>to have completely separated stack
06:23<peterg>so, stop philosophing then - who has working experience with it?
06:23<jitterstick>so you want to isolate applications on the host?
06:23<peterg>yes... I just need to run various netcast stuff between isolated interfaces over live network
06:23<peterg>VLAN-based ..
06:24<peterg>netcat
06:24<jitterstick>like a port based vlan switch
06:24<peterg>study it, it's easy feature
06:24<peterg>just dont know how to troubleshoot at the moment..
06:24<io>peterg: I have no idea about any of this so all I can suggest is that either no one knows, or no one awake knows right now but maybe if you stick around someone might know/answer
06:25<peterg>ok, done here, enjoy your days
06:25<duclicsic>peterg: i have done plenty of stuff with network namespaces
06:25<jelly>peterg, I'd ask in #netfilter or more general ##networking on irc.freenode.net. Not sure if net ns are part of netfilter, but I don't know a better place for linux-specific networking questions
06:25*petn-randall shrugs.
06:26<peterg>finally one!
06:26<duclicsic>peterg: feel free to message me, though I can't give my full attention as I'm at work
06:26<io>phew, hope I didn't say something wrong; first day here.
06:26<peterg>Im too :)
06:26<peterg>thank.. I go then
06:27<peterg>io: me too, after looong time
06:27<jitterstick>sounds like you will have to create chroot environments to isolate files as well.
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06:28<jitterstick>or the files will be accessed per the norm.
06:28<peterg>jitterstick, really not..
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06:29<jitterstick>each application would have permission to the directory structure without isolation as well.
06:30<jitterstick>if you want to isolate an entire bot a port based vlan would be a solution, but applications on a box would require chroot.
06:30<jitterstick>box*
06:30<jitterstick>https://www.engineyard.com/blog/linux-containers-isolation
06:31<peterg>this is about apps seeing only namespace-allowed interfaces
06:31<peterg>routes, rules, etc..
06:31<peterg>all from networking point of view.. I dont care about filesystem and so
06:32<jitterstick>totally blocking the entire interface, as in disabling wifi on computers connected by wire?
06:32<peterg>plus, for lab purposes, nothing productional
06:32<peterg>like that..
06:32<peter1138>Hmm, I can't install grub to a new disk which was added in a RAID array.
06:34<peter1138>My / is on LVM within /dev/md0, which is a RAID1 set.
06:35<peter1138>The error is "grub-install: error: disk `lvmid/4wlWgg-q74T-7xSy-m35a-EASv-B5Mq-IYSk4f/KA9DaQ-2s3W-nl5A-6lb6-JBRN-e3f8-QJLfTl' not found."
06:38<jitterstick>peterg: https://docs.docker.com/engine/security/userns-remap/#about-remapping-and-subordinate-user-and-group-ids
06:39<jitterstick>so it seems to set up groups and users the execute the applications with them is the best course.
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07:09<duclicsic>well that was simple enough. was trying to ping (from within a namespace) an IP configured within that same namespace but it wasn't working. loopback interface was admin down. bringing it up fixed the issue. </offtopic>
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08:13<peterg>hi guys, just to confirm, what duclicsic helped me with... devil lies in the details :)
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08:14<peterg>though still no clue what it was necessary, it was indeed... lesson learnt
08:15<peterg><corr> why it was..
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08:39<ach>!smuxi
08:39<dpkg>smuxi (Smart MUltipleXed Irc) is an <irssi>-inspired IRC client for the <GNOME> desktop. The IRC session can run within the Smuxi server, allowing for <screen>-like detachment/reattachment. Written in C# and requires <mono>. http://www.smuxi.org/ #smuxi on irc.oftc.net.
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08:54<jitterstick>!quessel
08:54<jitterstick>!quassel
08:54<dpkg>i heard quassel is a modern, cross-platform, distributed IRC client, meaning that one (or multiple) client(s) can attach to and detach from a central core. http://quassel-irc.org/
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08:59<arto>for me irssi and it's smartfilter plugin are so far unbeatable
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09:35<io>arto: what are we smartfiltering?
09:36<io>(just like to point out that as of irssi 1.1.0, some/much/all of that functionality is now built in under /window hidelevels)
09:36<io>hidelevel*
09:37<arto>io:https://github.com/lifeforms/irssi-smartfilter
09:37<io>yeah I tried it briefly one time but kind of got annoyed at how it didn't pass joins/parts to the log (or I couldn't figure out how)
09:37<io>now I toggle it with keybindings
09:37<petn-randall>io: Still running jessie on my IRC bouncer ... :/
09:40<io>petn-randall: hmm only 1.0.7 backports for that, but compiling 1.1.1 or fetching from https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home:ailin_nemui:irssi-test;package=irssi could work - assuming you have control of the bouncer?
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09:42<io>that link is via https://irssi.org/download/ and ailin-nemui appears to contribute to irssi on github
09:43<io>things that I wish I had known last year when I was trying to figure out 0.8.15 and scripts that required later versions :)
09:44<petn-randall>,checkbackport irssi
09:44<judd>Backporting package irssi in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports.
09:44<petn-randall>io: I could probably backport it from sid, too. :)
09:44<io>haha
09:44<io>I'll work my way up to that one day :p
09:45<io>I was about to do it but chickened out ;)
09:45<petn-randall>io: It's fairly easy to do:
09:45<petn-randall>!ssb
09:45<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
09:45*io adds this to his repository
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09:45<io>(of knowledge :p)
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09:52<jitterstick>!BitchX
09:52<dpkg>well, bitchx is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues, and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me about <irssi>, <hexchat>, <konversation>, <weechat> for alternatives. To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>.
09:53<jitterstick>well I guess its bye bye BitchX
09:53<jitterstick>sorry for the quit message in advance
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10:01<pnbo>What is the proper way to have Debian stable with the latest stable kernel.org kernel?
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10:02<petn-randall>pnbo: The easiest way is to install the kernel from backports, assuming you want a newer kernel. Otherwise you can just run `make deb-pkg` in the kernel sources, and it will create a .deb to install.
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10:04<pnbo>petn-randall: I'll check backports
10:06<petn-randall>pnbo: What's the reason you want a newer kernel?
10:11<jitterstick>so they can test with his system?
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10:17<io>haha that almost sounds harsh, but well, can't fault the logic
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10:17<io>re: bitchx
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10:23<arto>!chat
10:23<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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10:55<eirc>sorry for spam, just checking if I can post here, I couldn't with my other client
10:55<eirc>cool :)
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11:09<milloni>does the initramfs shipped with debian use busybox?
11:10<petn-randall>milloni: Only if you install it.
11:11<milloni>petn-randall, so what's in it by default? just kmod tools?
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11:18<milloni>i mean the one configured by initramfs-tools
11:18<milloni>actually i can check myself
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11:41<petn-randall>milloni: yep
11:43<milloni>petn-randall, actually i checked and on mine, there's only intel microcode firmware; that was after i ran update-initramfs with a non-empty /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
11:43<milloni>does that mean i need to do something additional to get my initramfs to load modules (surely it won't load them without `modprobe` being on the filesystem)
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11:45<petn-randall>milloni: If you have *-microcode installed, for technical reasons you'll have a doubly-packed initramfs. What issue are you trying to debug?
11:45<milloni>i noticed this while trying to do something else
11:46<milloni>my point is that the initrd image on my system doesn't have modprobe, and so on
11:47<milloni>how is it loading modules from /etc/initramfs-tools/modules without those binaries?
11:47<petn-randall>milloni: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=722318
11:47<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/722318 in initramfs-tools (closed, patch): «prepend_earlyinitramfs makes inspecting initramfs unnecessarily hard»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-09-10; last modified: 2015-03-11.
11:49<milloni>oh ok
11:50<petn-randall>milloni: Are you inspecting it with `lsinitramfs <initramfs_file>`?
11:51<milloni>i am taking an initrd file from /boot and then `cpio -id < initrd`
11:51<milloni>and then i inspect whatever is uncompressed
11:52<milloni>oh, nice, thanks
11:52<milloni>i wasn't aware this existed
11:52<petn-randall>milloni: Yep, that will only list the microcode for reasons mentioned in the above bug report.
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12:21<iXavik>Nvidia 210, second monitor via hdmi, have a problem... When change secondary and primary monitor it's OK. When reboot - black monitor...
12:23<jitterstick>cable?
12:23<jitterstick>does wiggling the cable fix the issue?
12:23<jitterstick>sometimes the cable is blocked by the case enough to cause problems.
12:24<iXavik>One - vga, second - hdmi.
12:25<jitterstick>iXavik: are both monitors black on reboot?
12:26<iXavik>When start, vga-ok, hdmi-black screen with mouse, but without any windows... Then go settings-monitors-choose hdmi as primary, then choose change as prymary-apply and all - OK. Then reboot and circle...
12:26<iXavik>No-no
12:27<iXavik>All monitors mirror when load system
12:28<jitterstick>iXavik: it needs to be altered in a config that gets read at startup. systemwide with xorg.conf and xrandr. I am not sure if per user settings will ever remain static on reboot.
12:28<iXavik>Okay
12:28<jitterstick>I can check into it.
12:29<iXavik>Will try, such small problem...
12:30<iXavik>Tomorrow could access to conf. Just week with Unix, sorry for such question)
12:30<jitterstick>xrandr will do everything necessary as xorg is already detecting the monitors
12:31<jitterstick>sudo xrandr ==help
12:31<iXavik>So first of all check xorg
12:31<jitterstick>sudo xrandr --help
12:31<jitterstick>no
12:31<jitterstick>just xrandr
12:32<iXavik>Hmm, OK, thks
12:32<jitterstick>then once it is set up xorg.conf
12:33<jitterstick>xrandr will give you the options for xorg.conf unless you can find them online
12:33<jitterstick>it is what reads the edid
12:35<jitterstick>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xrandr#Manage_2-monitors
12:35<iXavik>Wika's help) thanks
12:37<iXavik>I haven't --force option, I think, will try
12:37<jitterstick>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/multihead
12:37<jitterstick>for xorg.conf
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12:39<iXavik>It's only 2, and if I need 24 monitors, it's will be easy? For video-wall...
12:39<iXavik>Don't know easy but interest....
12:40<jitterstick>xorg is static and always the same. With xrandr and the scripts it seems you can have them in an active state based on use.
12:42<iXavik>I won't to conf all them every day) so must to do it.
12:44<jitterstick>You are welcome
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12:51<jitterstick>iXavik: the message I sent is only an example you can taylor it to your liking with primary and LeftOf or RightOf
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13:25<mnuhmnuh>petn-randall: thanks for mentioning lsinitramfs. wow. never heard of it before.
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13:30<petn-randall>mnuhmnuh: you're welcome :)
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18:10<ramdt>Hi! Is it expected that after kernel upgrade spaces are now trimmed out from DMI info such as product_serial? http://paste.debian.net/plainh/8f9efee7
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