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00:41<mnuhmnuh>well, happy to report e17 does work, with a few reservations, but they're possibly "tweakable"; workin' on it. nice to see it doesn't fail miserably or break anything.
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00:43<mnuhmnuh>i do see weird artifacts (font/locale/?!? weirdness).
00:47<mnuhmnuh>it is pretty, but not that pretty.
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01:26<mnuhmnuh>emacs (x gui) appears unusable in e17, and uxterm is goofy. ctrl-l sorts the latter (but only temporarily). odd.
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01:33<mnuhmnuh>xterm's wrong too. maybe _have_ to use e* terminal, whatever that is? that sucks.
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01:57<mnuhmnuh>mate-terminal in e17 works fine; no weird artifacts. grr.
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02:13<mnuhmnuh>i may be trying to tell apps to use fonts which don't work. what are reasonably generic text fonts for xterm & etc? ugly question. hate going there.
02:14<mnuhmnuh>monospace regular 8 in mate-terminal works fine.
02:15<mnuhmnuh>kroshnit.
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02:35<mnuhmnuh>misc-fixed-*...
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06:30<pavlushka>o/ everyone
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06:51<kamild1996>Hey, I'm having trouble with an OpenSSH SFTP server. There are multiple users who can connect to the server and modify files. However, when they modify the files, the owner, group and permissions themselves change. They need to remain the same, regardless of who edits them. How do I do that?
06:51<kamild1996>And also, how do I permit an user to modify file permissions?
06:52<grawity>sounds like their SFTP client deletes the original file before uploading the new version
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06:54<kamild1996>I think that may be the case, they can't replace the file directly because it says "Permission denied". I was thinking about adding the users to one group, and then recursively changing the group of all files and group permissions so they can read/write, is that a right approach?
06:54<grawity>probably
06:54<grawity>I mean, just to be clear
06:54<opwajeaew>hi, does the debian netinstaller include wpa supplicant/network-manager so that the user can install packages after installation without needing an ethernet connection ? i dont have ethernet right now but would like to install it but cant risk ending without internet
06:54<grawity>permissions over SFTP work the same way as permissions with local files
06:54<grawity>you need to be the owner to use `chmod`, etc.
06:55<koollman>opwajeaew: I think it does. I'm trying to remember where the list of packages is :)
06:56<opwajeaew>koollman: thank you, i'm gonna search a bit more about preinstalled packages before installing it since you're not sure
06:59<opwajeaew>the answers on forums are not clear, they say that the debian core install priority packages, and i guess a network manager is a priority ? but there is no decisive answer
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07:01<koollman>opwajeaew: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/ -> so, wpa-supplicant is in there. I'm not sure what the name of network-manager package would be
07:01<koollman>(the list for netinst is in debian-9.5.0-amd64-netinst.list.gz )
07:02<grawity>is that stuff it installs, or just stuff it includes for the installer itself?
07:03<koollman>.udeb is included in installer, .deb is available for install from the cd
07:03<koollman>wpa-supplicant is in both, so you can get internet via wifi during the install (so you can get every other package from a mirror)
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07:05<koollman>opwajeaew: you can try and see if you can get a network connection at the beginning of the install process. if you can't you can stop the install without modifying anything on your machine
07:05<opwajeaew>that's great, thanks @koollman, the link is very much appreciated
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07:05<opwajeaew>i'll do that
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09:37<traumschule>I want to use https://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug but it fails because of SSL_ERROR_BAD_CERT_DOMAIN. is it to be changed or what do you recommend?
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10:21<blast007>traumschule: you could just use http://
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11:28<traumschule>blast007: I know, i used it all the time. Just the let the user find their (insecure) way. tor:// is my favourite.
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11:47<jitterstick>how do I get dpkg to update the description for BitchX. The bugs and security issues have been patched in the newest release.
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11:56<traumschule>jitterstick: do you want to update the package description?
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12:01<martynhare>Hi guys, can someone teach me how apt pinning works for approving a single backport?
12:06<martynhare>I want to get libimobiledevice from stable backports but I'm only fluent in yum >_>
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12:06<martynhare>I found the manual I needed :$
12:06*martynhare realised that after RTFMing that the appropriate pinning is already there
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12:10<jitterstick>!BitchX
12:10<dpkg>it has been said that bitchx is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues, and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me about <irssi>, <hexchat>, <konversation>, <weechat> for alternatives. To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>.
12:10<jitterstick>that.
12:11<jitterstick>People work hard to correct things and deserve credit for a job well done.
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12:12<martynhare>Whoever did the backport for libimobiledevice just gave me that last final thing I needed to distro hop to Debian ^.^
12:13<jitterstick>It should also be know the version in which the issues are fixed which is 1.2.1
12:13<martynhare>indeed, it has made my iPhone SE "just work" ^.^
12:14<martynhare>(well as close to "just work" as an iDevice can with a GNU/Linux distro)
12:15<jitterstick>martynhare apt is what i use and synaptic for a gui. apt search will find and you can also use apt to install a downloaded .deb with ./ and it will check dependencies.
12:15<jitterstick>apt build-dep will install required sources and apt source and so on.
12:15<jitterstick>apt-get is also another alternative.
12:17<martynhare>I'm guessing apt is the modern version and apt-get is the old-school way to do it?
12:17<jitterstick>martynhare back when i had an ipod i found limited support with amarok https://amarok.kde.org/ I did however have to build from source to take advantage of the newest features.
12:17<jitterstick>yes, i believe so.
12:18<jitterstick>it has been many years though and it may be different now.
12:18<jitterstick>it was an ipod classic 80gb
12:19<martynhare>I've found Rhythmbox seems to work for my Shuffle and iPhone SE on my Fedora box, so I'm now just making sure I can get it working on -stable still ^.^
12:19<martynhare>once it's working, my desktop is getting the distro change too with a MATE desktop environment =D
12:19<jitterstick>have you tried xfce?
12:20<jitterstick>I find it the most well balanced.
12:20<martynhare>back in the day I used to use it a lot, once they get modern GTK3 and proper DBUS support for things like Bluetooth, I will probably go back to using it
12:21<martynhare>GNOME 2 was my favourite after KDE dived off the deep end with KDE 4 (I probably shouldn't say that.. I know KDE devs put a lot of hard work into their modern DE)
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12:22<jitterstick>i find that the more glitz and glam they add the more time i have to spend configuring everything.
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12:23<jitterstick>if i had a giant monitor i would use openbox with afterstep.
12:23<jitterstick>as it is I am on a 10 inch asus eeepc1001pxd
12:24<martynhare>I've got a cheap ASUS laptop and a fairly beefy HP desktop
12:24<martynhare>I can't wait for wayland to get 100% rock solid (it's almost there but not quite) and then GNOME 3 will finally have an edge over older desktop environments
12:25<jitterstick>gnome 3 is basically a pretty run box.
12:25<jitterstick>i do like it but i think it would slow down this netbook alot.
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12:27<jitterstick>also if you like pretty compiz is the original.
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12:34<jitterstick>compiz is only for gnome and mate though.
12:35<martynhare>GNOME 3 slows down this laptop a bit if used with Xorg
12:35<martynhare>but on Wayland it's a bit quicker
12:39<martynhare>I am hoping MATE implements Wayland support eventually, would be awesome to see GNOME 2.x outlive 3.x in many ways >_>
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12:56<jitterstick>http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/wayland
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12:58<martynhare>well their main problem of having to port to GTK3 is sorted out ^.^
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16:13<Synthea>Little question, does focus update himself when u do $ ./checkout.sh or you have to get latest json from github everytime? https://blog.powerdns.com/2016/01/19/efficient-optional-filtering-of-domains-in-recursor-4-0-0/
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17:19<keycollector>I am trying to mount my filesystem after making a incorrect PAM change and i cant seem to mount the LVM
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17:20<keycollector>I am getting "mount: unkown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
17:20<keycollector>Using command 'mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/Mount'
17:20<keycollector>Currently inside Live USB
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17:36<keycollector>This was resolved.
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18:15<kkremitzki>Hi, I'm testing out multi-language support and have been seeing some weird behavior. My LANGUAGE variable is set to 'en_US:de:es:ru:es:ar:fr:zh_CN' but, for example, apt in a terminal and Pidgin in my GUI both are in German, and in some tools like mercurial, I see one line in Spanish and the next in Russian. From my reading on the LANGUAGE variable this doesn't seem right
18:16<grawity>perhaps you're seeing the 2nd line in Russian because it has no translation provided for Spanish nor German
18:16<grawity>I don't know which direction $LANGUAGE works in
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18:16<kkremitzki>It should default to the first and fall back to 2nd, etc
18:17<kkremitzki>If LANGUAGE=en_US, apt is in English, but if LANGUAGE=en_US:de, it's in German
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18:18<kkremitzki>Also, if I reverse it to LANGUAGE=de:en_US (or just en) it still shows in German
18:19<Brigo>kkremitzki, do you have en_US locales generated?
18:19<Brigo>kkremitzki, forget the question.
18:19<Brigo>i missreaded you.
18:20<kkremitzki>Ah, ok. The answer is yes anyway though. I have all those languages turned on in the menu of `sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales`
18:20<kkremitzki>I.e. "ar_SA.UTF-8, de_DE.UTF-8, ..."
18:21<kkremitzki>I only have one Spanish locale though, es_ES.UTF-8, and yet 'es' shows up twice in LANGUAGE, which is another bit of strangeness
18:22<Brigo>kkremitzki, i don't have LANGUAGE variable, but LANG
18:23<kkremitzki>I have both, for me LANG=en_US.UTF-8
18:25<Brigo>kkremitzki, where have you found the information about multi language configuration?
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18:27<kkremitzki>Hmm, I couldn't really point to one particular resource, but I can say for this change, I enacted it (in KDE) via System Settings > Regional Settings > Language, and then the 'Add languages' button
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20:07<JGalt>Just Setup Debian 9.5 for an ex ubuntu user who is really enjoying debian. He really likes using pycharm as his IDE but it looks to not be in the debian repos and has way too many dependancies for me to track manually. Any idea where to find a repo or package for this? trying to avoid using snap
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20:26<Brigo>JGalt, it looks like is a java program, so you only need to download, decompress and run it.
20:27<JGalt>k what about tracking dependencies? er are there none? my biggest concern is keeping updates current which apt-get does so well
20:28<JGalt>@Brigo will java need to be installed then?
20:29<Brigo>JGalt, that program is not packaged for debian so no updating possible.
20:29<JGalt>@Brigo yes, exactly
20:29<Brigo>JGalt, ofcourse
20:30<Brigo>JGalt, if you want that package into debian you can filla RFP (request for package) and find someone who want to package it..
20:30<JGalt>ok, If i wanted to contribute and package it, what is required for a package to be included in debian?
20:32<jitterstick>if you get a .deb apt willmeet the dependencies when you install it with apt install ./packagename
20:32<Brigo> i think i don't undestand the question, JGalt .
20:33<Brigo>JGalt, the usual problem for a package is the license.
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20:34<JGalt>I can ask for a package to be added and wait for someone else to do the work, or I could volunteer to package it and be that person.... what is required to get a package added other than a willing person to do the work? how's it done and what are the requirements?
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20:35<jitterstick>it is proprietary software
20:35<JGalt>so would that disqualify it from even nonfree?
20:35<Brigo>JGalt, https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging
20:35<jitterstick>JGalt i am checking it out
20:36<jitterstick>JGalt the free version would be the non-free. the pay version you can pay for and have supported for install purposes from jetbrains.com/pycharm at least i would assume they would support it.
20:37<JGalt>there seems to be a community edition thats opensource and a professional edition that may not be. I may be interested in packaging the community edition
20:38<jitterstick>JGalt i do not think it needs packaging.
20:38<JGalt>@Brigo @jitterstick Thanks
20:38<Brigo>JGalt, i think you can just download and run it.
20:39<jitterstick>i am running it right now to test it out.
20:42<jitterstick>works fine and it only requires to install a launcher in /usr/bin other than that all files remain in the extracted folder from the tarball.
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20:43<jitterstick>my system is not stock, but it seems that running the command in console, it is an sh, will lead you to required dependencies.
20:44<JGalt>k, did find this https://www.jetbrains.com/help/pycharm/install-and-set-up-pycharm.html
20:46<JGalt>so if it gets installed in opt as they suggest can a simple link from /usr/bin to the .sh file cover it running?
20:47<jitterstick>JGalt it is actually a file named charm in /usr/local/bin
20:50<jitterstick>and yes.
20:51<jitterstick>it places it there for you on first run. then you can create a menu item or desktop link to it.
20:52<JGalt>ah ok that could be clearer in their instructions from the tar file
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20:57<JGalt>@jitterstick @Brigo Thanks Again
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21:04<jitterstick>JGalt you are welcome.
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