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01:18<mnuhmnuh>i'm getting real peed off at modern wm's. does mate/gnome ignore the existence of ~/.Xresources?
01:25<mnuhmnuh>or, is it some of this, some of that, different apps may care, but others blithely ignore?
01:26<mnuhmnuh>madness.
01:32<mnuhmnuh>xconsole accepted my change of font size, and works as intended. emacs fails miserably in just about every way. i should go back to fvwm. :-| fsck.
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01:36<mnuhmnuh>oh yeah, xterms are using my new font size declared in .Xresources, but _i didn't run xterms in my ~/.xsession; i ran mate-terminal, which didn't run!?! nuts.
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02:23<drakonis>mnuhmnuh, mate and gnome are not WMs
02:24<drakonis>you seem to want something they're not
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09:56<traumschule>is it safe to kill gdbus? i see a lot of gmain and gdbus in lsof on a vanished drive and need to get rid of them to remount.
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10:02<tony_was_taken2>hi, i would like to delete a package from apt-get list
10:03<tony_was_taken2>i already purge and remove it
10:03<tony_was_taken2>Debian stretch
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10:04<tony_was_taken2>the package is not installed but appears in apt-get list
10:05<blast007>tony_was_taken2: in what apt-get list?
10:06<Brigo>i think he meant apt list
10:06<tony_was_taken2>Yes, sorry
10:06<Brigo>traumschule, i think that list contents all the package even installed.
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10:07<tony_was_taken2>APT list, but
10:07<tony_was_taken2>Sorry what?
10:07<blast007>apt list will, by default, list every package in the package database
10:08<blast007>if you want to only see installed packages, do apt list --installed
10:08<Brigo>tony_was_taken2, apt list will list even removed packages.
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10:08<tony_was_taken2>ok, how do i clan the database ?
10:08<tony_was_taken2>*clean
10:08<cc>why do you want to do that?
10:08<blast007>no, it's not that it will list removed packages.... it lists every package that apt knows about
10:10<tony_was_taken2>so the os keeps track of useless packages only because i installed once ?
10:10<blast007>no
10:10<arto>tony_was_taken2: think it like a phone book
10:10<Brigo>blast007, not apt, i think is a dpkg database, really that data comes from dpkg -l.
10:11<blast007>well sure, but it's certainly not *removed* packages, that's just confusing him more
10:11<tony_was_taken2>dpkg do not have these pakages
10:11*dpkg reluctantly agrees to do not have these pakages
10:12<blast007>tony_was_taken2: when you 'apt update', it updates your local package database from the sources you have configured and locally stores information about *all* of the packages in those apt sources. that is what you are looking at.
10:12<arto>tony_was_taken2: sometimes users install again package that they have purged
10:12<Brigo>tony_was_taken2, try dpkg -l and see by yourself
10:13<tony_was_taken2>bingo dpkg -l | grep xxx do not contains the packages
10:14<Brigo>tony_was_taken2, brigo, please. :)
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10:15<Brigo>it has to.
10:15<tony_was_taken2>Sorry, however i was saying that apt remove says package xxx is not installed , so not removed
10:16<Brigo>tony_was_taken2, we all agree on that.
10:17*traumschule killed the process without harm
10:17<blast007>for me, 'dpkg -l' is only listing installed packages
10:18<tony_was_taken2>my question is, do i have to bring with me all' these packages Forever ? is there any way to remove them ?
10:18<tony_was_taken2>with remove i do not mean uninstall them since they are already uninstalled
10:19<blast007>tony_was_taken2: what part of "it's a database of all packages that are in the apt sources" do you not understand?
10:19<arto>tony_was_taken2: I suggest you read https://wiki.debian.org/Apt
10:20<blast007>it is NOT just showing installed and previously installed packages. it it showing packages that you have never installed before as well. it's a list of EVERYTHING that could possibly be installed via apt right now.
10:21<Brigo>blast007, you are right, sorry.
10:22<arto>tony_was_taken2: it's just the names of packages, not the packages
10:22<blast007>yeah, it's a database of information about the packages
10:24<tony_was_taken2>i think the list of Never installed before packages would be much bigger
10:25<Brigo>main is more that 53000
10:25<Brigo>i think is big enought.
10:28<blast007>tony_was_taken2: for me, 'apt list | wc -l' shows 51751 lines
10:28<tony_was_taken2>ok, i think i get It, is the list of all available packages. apt tool is confusing for people they have Never used it
10:29<tony_was_taken2>thanks to all of you btw
10:31<Brigo>blast007, mine is 53720. Are you in stable with non-free?
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11:57<blast007>Brigo: yeah, non-free
11:58<blast007>(no backports or debug repo though)
11:58<Brigo>i have backports, maybe is that.
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13:04<keycollector>My machines in my test lab are auto-updating. I caught the process "/bin/sh /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily install" doing the dirty deed. Does anyone know how to disable this feature?
13:05<keycollector>I thought debian only updated when it was specifically told to? This is causing problems for me when im using ansible to manage them, because if its auto updating when i connect in to admin them with, my runs fail due to lock files on apt.
13:08<Brigo>keycollector, stable?
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13:14<keycollector>Oops, these are actually buster images. Ill head to testing. Sorry! :)
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13:14<annadane>the channel is #debian-next
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13:55<mnuhmnuh>what's the name of the file where you can specify to apt & friends your chosen dist. release, as in stretch, testing, ...?
13:56<annadane> /etc/apt/sources.list
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13:56<annadane>or /etc/apt/preferences.d
13:56<annadane>if you mean pin priority
13:59<mnuhmnuh>no, not those. there's one where you go APT:ReleaseLevel+"stretch" or something like that to constrain apt* to your preference.
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14:17<mnuhmnuh>ah. /etc/apt/preferences, and APT::Default-Release "stable"
14:18*mnuhmnuh gee, maybe check the manpage?
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15:05<tidux>Does the default Stretch installer work on Ryzen 2200G/2400G APUs or will I need separate graphics until I can install linux/mesa from backports?
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15:17<Brigo>tidux, the installer will work, the graphic environment is another thing.
15:17<Brigo>i think at least with poor support it will work.
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15:18<tidux>that's fine, all I need is enough of an installer to bring up the network and sshd
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16:01<mnuhmnuh>ah, again. that entry in my preferences file broke apt-get: "E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences, no Package header". hmm.
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16:06<mnuhmnuh>should be trailed by a semi-colon. hmph.
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16:08<mnuhmnuh>and that doesn't work either.
16:13<mnuhmnuh>ah. "mv /etc/apt/preferences /etc/apt/apt.conf", and it works.
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16:17<jitterstick>perhaps they altered the url or distribution.
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16:45<Feelsonix>Hi, i have i3 and urxvt i want to rice urxvt but xkrb is not in my package, its an another package, what is the command for refresh urxvt with my new Xresources files. Thx
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16:51<MrRoy3>Hello, I need some help with a systemd service script I made for rtorrent, which I cannot get to work. The ExecStart command works fine when I launch it myself, but when I launch the service nothing happens. In the /var/log/syslog I can see some error message about killall not finding the process, but I´m trying to start it, not stop it, so I´m not sure why it´s saying that... I posted the script and log
16:51<MrRoy3>in https://pastebin.com/LVtaJ2nL
16:51<MrRoy3>Hoping someone can help me figure this out, because I´m at a loss
16:53<MrRoy3>I also didn´t write the script myself, I took it from a tutorial I followed (tutorial made for Debian) so it should work, I´m suspecting it´s something else than the script itself that wrong...
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17:09<mnuhmnuh>Feelsonix: do you mean "xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources"?
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