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07:08<ppc64>is there a package to install X11 fonts ? I only have about 10 fonts and they are all too small for an xterm
07:10<Anarka>you should be able to fix it for good but.... ctrl + right mouse should get you a mena
07:10<Anarka>think thats it...
07:12<ppc64>yep .. xterm does have a pop up menu as per usual and all fonts are the same size
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07:12<Anarka>ohh not here
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07:13<arto>dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
07:13<ppc64>yeah .. no fonts here --> xlsfonts -l reports 6 fonts and one of them is "cursor"
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07:13<Anarka>do you have xfonts-base installed ?
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07:14<somiaj>are you sure you want to use the old x11 fonts and not xft fonts? xterm should be able to use both
07:14<ppc64>one sec .. lemme look
07:14<ppc64>I'll take anything I can get at the moment .. :-)
07:15<ppc64>well .. dpkg-query -l | grep xfont reports libxfont1:armhf and libxfont2:armhf and nothing else
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07:15<ppc64>going blind trying to read my screen :-\
07:16<ppc64>well gee apt-get install xfonts-base running now
07:17<ppc64>okay .. that installed xfonts-encodings xfonts-utils also
07:17<ppc64>still xlsfonts reports only a few fonts
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07:18<ppc64>hrmmm hope a reboot isn't needed
07:19<Anarka>on xterm menu theres a enable truetype fonts
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07:20<ppc64>Anarka: where is that hiding ?
07:20<jm_>try xfonts-100dpi-transcoded xfonts-75dpi-transcoded and possibly something like xfonts-terminus
07:21<jm_>ctrl + right click
07:21<ppc64>jm_: nope .. not seen here
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07:21<jm_>ppc64: what is not seen?
07:21<ppc64>whoa !
07:21<ppc64>there it is
07:21<Anarka>without the enable ? just truetype fonts
07:21<Anarka>:)
07:21<ppc64>woo hoo ... and who says the internet doesn't work anymore !!
07:22<ppc64>I swear .. thirty years of looking at xterms and I never saw that option
07:22<jm_>it wasn't there 30 years ago :P
07:22<Anarka>eheh
07:23<ppc64>jm_: nope ... but the original DEC paper terminals did have a compressed and wide print option
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07:23<ppc64>man oh man ... this is a new install and I have been going blind all morning on this ... you guys are awesome
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07:24<jm_>still, strange that xlsfonts does not list fonts after installing packages
07:24<jm_>does 'xset fp rehash' help
07:24<jm_>?
07:24<ppc64>one sec .. I was about to install xfonts-100dpi xfonts-100dpi-transcoded pkgs
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07:26*ppc64 rips apt-get install xfonts-100dpi xfonts-100dpi-transcoded xfonts-base xfonts-efont-unicode xfonts-efont-unicode-ib xfonts-encodings xfonts-scalable xfonts-terminus xfonts-traditional xfonts-utils
07:26<Anarka>top
07:26<Anarka>erm..
07:26<ppc64>once that completes I will try 'xset fp rehash'
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07:31<ppc64>jm_: after installing a bucket of fonts related packages xlsfonts still reports 6 lines and no more
07:32<ppc64>however .. at least I am not going blind here
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07:45<Synthea>When I open konsole I get Warning: Could not start program '/bin/bash' with arguments '/bin/bash'. Warning: chdir: permission denied
07:45<Synthea>idk why
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07:47<jm_>do other terminals start?
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07:56<sep>did something happen to debian ssh very recently ? last week or so ? i have a lot of devices (various mikrotik) that now just give a timeout when ssh from a debian stretch. but works fine from putty.
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08:10<ppc64>sep: no problems seen here and I have bucket loads of machines that I ssh into
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08:14<sep>ppc64, found out it was probably not related to debian. since on the fifth debian machine i tried from, it actualy worked. same ssh version, same ssh_config.
08:14<ppc64>sep: never hurts to try ssh -v just to see everything that is happening
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08:24<sep>been looking myself blind at that for half a day. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/f970c498/ ; tcpdump shows that debian is retrying and retrying several times while it is stuck at the SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(2048<7680<8192) sent message ;;
08:25<ppc64>wow .. that is fun to stare at
08:25<sep>tried recreating host keys. tried going via another path. tried disabeling firewall. i even rebooted both ends...
08:26<ppc64>so in your environment you were able to ssh into various places with putty ( not a big fan of that ) but oddly good ol ssh on debian would just hang ?
08:27<sep>correct.
08:28*ppc64 scratches head
08:28<ppc64>bizarre
08:28<ppc64>bizarre <-- that shouldn't happen
08:28<sep>putty machine and debian machine have ip in same subnet and identical routing tables
08:28<sep>that's what i have been saying all day.
08:28<ppc64>the dpkg logs on the target machines show no new packages installed or changed ?
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08:30<sep>ppc64, target machines are mikrotik switches. been trying various versions firmware. and it have been working as expected for 4 weeks
08:30<ppc64>sep: you have probably been in every circle on this also however I am curious as there has to be a network layer change in here somewhere
08:31*ppc64 scratches head harder
08:32<cc>sep, maybe they cannot agree on an algorithm to use
08:32<cc>there has been some changes in that, though not recently
08:32<sep>cc, i would expect that to been visible in the debug output of ssh ?
08:32<cc>should be
08:33<sep>it just stops at SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(2048<7680<8192) (on debian side) so they do not even get to discuss algorithms
08:34<cc>are the machines directly connected?
08:34<ppc64>sep: did you try to be really really specific to the ssh client on options ? such as /usr/bin/ssh -2 -4 -e\^ -l username -o VisualHostKey=yes -o TCPKeepAlive=yes -o ServerAliveInterval=30 -o MACs=hmac-sha1 -o HostKeyAlgorithms=ssh-rsa -o GSSAPIAuthentication=no -b mylocal_ip -c aes256-ctr -p 22 target_ip
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08:36<cc>also
08:36<cc> > tcpdump shows that debian is retrying and retrying several times while it is stuck at the SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(2048<7680<8192) sent message ;;
08:36<sep>must be -6 tho so i run everything on ipv6
08:36<cc>can you confirm with tcpdump on remote side that remote is actually getting those packets ?
08:38<sep>i have not, since i can see the connection attempth in the log, but checking it now
08:39*ppc64 thinks wireshark may be needed here
08:42<sakax>what will happen when Pixar stops releasing Toy Story movies and we run out of release names? serious question :)
08:42<ppc64>sakax: we go back to potato
08:42<ppc64>sakax: start over again
08:43*ppc64 thinks there are a lot of character names however
08:43<sep>ppc64, been looking at it on the debian side quite a bit... but am beating my self that i did not check recipient side.... first 10 packages are going back and forth as expected. but the first large (1428) package does not arrive.
08:43<sakax>yes, that would be wonderful, ppc64 :)
08:44<ppc64>sep: ah ha ... so the moment the interior data frame overflows the 1472 bytes limit on 802.11 we get a problem
08:44<sep>can you have a different mtu on tcp vs icmp ?
08:44<ppc64>sep: sure
08:45<ppc64>however MTU is usually a nic config issue
08:45<sep>so when i test mtu with icmp the packages flow. but when i try with ssh(tcp) it is dropped somewhere in my isp ?
08:46<ppc64>at layer 2 I think packets can be whatever is needed however in layer 3 we get rammed into jumbo frames and MTU 8000 and upwards and cisco switchs can get real particular about such things
08:46<ppc64>oh .. this is traffic over public isp net? I thought you said everything was local to you
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08:47<sep>i said it was directly connected.
08:47<sep>it is a vlan across a mpls vpn
08:48<sep>so my interfaces are directly connected :) but not local
08:48<ppc64>uh huh ...
08:48<sep>the putty client never sends large packages...
08:49<ppc64>I seem to recall going in loops over something similar when I was using a cron job to scp massive backup files over a point to point layer 2 link and needing to make some adjustments to kernel params but none of that makes sense for your case .. where nothing much changed but stuff stopped working
08:51*ppc64 gets called away by a tech person ... brb
08:51<sep>i would think that if i had a mtu issue i would be able to spot it with pings like i do on ipv4. but there is no "fragmentation needed" packages.
08:53<ppc64>before I run off coffee in hand .. icmp is a piss poor way to check connectivity anyways. Try pinging www.tls13.net and you will get nothing. Hit it with a modern browser and you get TLS 1.3 traffic and nothing else.
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08:58<Synthea>jm_ Yes they start
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09:19<sep>ping6 with size 1448 works, 1449 does not, 1452 does not 1453 works... just those 4 byte sizes does not cross, and i do not get icmpv6 to big either.
09:20<cc>how do you connect to that VPN of yours
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09:38<Synthea>When I open konsole I get Warning: Could not start program '/bin/bash' with arguments '/bin/bash'. Warning: chdir: permission denied
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09:48<sep>cc, isp have a mpls router/switch in both ends (fiber conencted) and i am connected using a gig copper patch cable 0,5m
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09:55<sep>have asked isp support. it must be something wrong in this vpn tunnel
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09:56<sep>thanks for help. a bit silly not to test tcpdump in both ends. but the log tricked me ;s
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11:06<smatchcube>Hello, how can I install a package only available on oldstable on a stable installation of Debian?
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11:16<sakax>smatchcube: which package?
11:17<smatchcube>Anki
11:17<grove>smatchcube: If all dependencies can be satisfied, you can either add a line in sources list for unstable or download it from a mirror and install it with dpkg. But it's probably a good idea to first tell us more, which package (as sakax asks) is a good place to start
11:18<TotallyNotKim>https://github.com/gnprice/anki-jessie
11:23<smatchcube>Ok so I updated my source list and installed anki but there are missing dependencies, i will uninstall it and look at other solutions
11:25<sakax>you should avoid this, smatchcube. did you read the instructions in TotallyNotKim's link?
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11:28<smatchcube>I'm reading it, I will either use this or use a little VM
11:34<itd__>smatchcube: anki is in sid, you should be able to backport it (/msg dpkg ssb), if you want.
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11:37<smatchcube>itd__: Oh I will try that, I thought backporting was only possible for testing
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15:20<markus-k>is there any chance to install the mongodb-server package from jessie on stretch?
15:21<markus-k>the package is gone for armhf on stretch..
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15:27<blast007>markus-k: seems like a deadend because upstream doesn't want to support 32-bit ARM: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=836435
15:27<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/836435 in mongodb (closed): «mongodb: Fails to build from source on armhf»; severity: important; opened: 2016-09-03; last modified: 2017-01-27.
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15:32<markus-k>blast007: yep, I've seen that. It was on jessie for armhf though in and older version, and I need to find some way to get it running on stretch
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16:30<annadane>sorry, i've asked this before, but what's the mailing list for backports security updates?
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16:54<jhutchins_wk>!mailing list
16:54<dpkg>Mailing lists allow large numbers of people to share knowledge and experiences, these communications are also persistent. See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ . mbox archives are not provided via the web archive due to Listmaster team policy (Debian bug #161440), see <gmane>. For lists.debian.org questions, join #debian-lists on irc.oftc.net or e-mail listmaster@lists.debian.org. See also <list spam> and <subscribed>.
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17:37<Synthea>When I open konsole I get Warning: Could not start program '/bin/bash' with arguments '/bin/bash'. Warning: chdir: permission denied
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17:50<sarnold>Synthea: check permissions and owner on your home directory; probably it's trying to chdir there at startup
17:52<sakax>sarnold: do you have a fresh install? if not, did you mess with permissions of /bin/bash ?
17:52<sarnold>tab collide, too many 's*' users :)
17:53<sarnold>I once accidentally chowned my homedir to root:root and absolutely nothing worked right but nothing would spit out a useful error message about it
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17:54<sarnold>I unpacked a tarball with sudo to earn that mess. oops. I happen to know Synthea is doing some packaging work, so that seems quite likely to have happened to him or her too :)
17:54<sakax>yes Synthea of course :)
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19:09<lolcat-007>one question i have an external enclosure with ext4 partitions how can i transfer file from a window machine to the enclosure??
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19:13<bill-auger>i just tried to send a bug report via email - does anyone know how long it should take for a bug report to post? - should i have gotten some confirmation ?
19:14<retrospectacus>lolcat-007: not a debian question. google it, or ask some windows-using person(s)
19:14<bill-auger>ive done this successfully before but i cant re,e,ber do i need to use a specfic email address?
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19:19<lolcat-007>anyone else?
19:19<sarnold>lolcat-007: is the drive enclosure hooked up to windows or a linux machine?
19:20<sarnold>if it's hooked up tot he windows machine *maybe* you'd have some success installing debian or ubuntu via the windows software center or whatever it is that lets you use linux utilities on windows.. maybe they know how to do ext4 these days
19:20<lolcat-007>sarnold, to a windows machine
19:22<lolcat-007>sarnold, i dont want to install it just pass file between windows to the enclosure with ext4 partitions
19:22<retrospectacus>you can boot debian from a USB or disc and copy from ntfs to ext4 using debian
19:26<lolcat-007>what i want is to find something similar that ext2fsd
19:26<lolcat-007>but ext2fsd is out of date
19:27<bill-auger>lolcat-007: out of date? compared to what?
19:28<lolcat-007>bill-auger, it is not support it anymore
19:28<bill-auger>does that mean it does not work anymore?
19:28<lolcat-007>yep
19:28<bill-auger>i think your are wrong about that
19:29<lolcat-007>so then where i can find it?
19:29<bill-auger>also i agree that asking for help using windoes tools is off topic here
19:29<bill-auger>retrospectacus: gave you the best solution - use a liveCD
19:30<lolcat-007>bill-auger, ok but how can i find ext2fsd?
19:30<bill-auger>you dont need it
19:31<blast007>https://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd/files/Ext2fsd/0.69/
19:31<retrospectacus>even better solution, install debian
19:31<lolcat-007>blast007, i already download it from there and is not working
19:33<blast007>if you want help with that, you'll need to find an appropriate channel
19:33<bill-auger>that is a 3rd-party windows tool for doing a job that debian can do natively - so it is inappropriate to ask for help using it here
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19:35<lolcat-007>ok i understand and thank for the help anyway
19:36<Synthea>Someone can explain what does this npm bugreport mean? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/f2cdd893/
19:39<bill-auger>Synthea: thats not a bug report - i think you will have more joy showing that paste in #debian-js
19:40<Synthea>Oh thx
19:40<Synthea>But help also from here will be appreciated
19:41<sarnold>if you don't get any more specific advice, my next step would be to run the thing with strace
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20:16<bill-auger>does anyone have experience reporting bugs via email? can you send a bug report from any address or do you need to registed an email address with debian?
20:17<bill-auger>i must have done something wrong - it has been over an hour now
20:22<sarnold>I wouldn't be surprised if there's some greylisting going on that would add *some* delay if you've never interacted with it before..
20:23<sarnold>but an hour sure seems excessive. do you have access to the server logs?
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20:31<bill-auger>huh?
20:31<bill-auger>my email server logs?
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20:32<sarnold>yeah
20:32<bill-auger>probably not
20:33<themill>did you tell reportbug that you had a local mail transport agent?
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20:40<bill-auger>i did not send it with debbug
20:40<bill-auger>i used debbug to create the message and i sent it with thunderbird
20:40<themill>itym reportbug
20:40<bill-auger>reportbug yes
20:41<themill>you could just let reportbug send it
20:41<themill>what package?
20:41<bill-auger>gnu-smalltalk
20:42<themill>that's a package that wants some love
20:42<bill-auger>i know
20:47<themill>can you pastebin a copy of your email? what address did you send it to?
20:47<bill-auger>sure id be happy to
20:47<bill-auger>i sent it to submit@bugs.debian.org
20:47<bill-auger>with subject gnu-smalltalk: 'ZeroDivide' error
20:49<bill-auger>this is the contents http://termbin.com/6fun
20:49<Synthea>sarnold whats strace?
20:50<sarnold>Synthea: strace uses the kernel's ptrace debugging facility to note every single systemcall and the response
20:50<themill>bill-auger: that all looks ok
20:51<bill-auger>should i have gotten a confirmation email?
20:51<Synthea>sarnold isn't that too much?
20:51<sarnold>Synthea: for a simple example, run 'strace ls /' -- that'll dump a few thousand lines of output showing you loading libraries, reading directory entries, printing output..
20:51<themill>bill-auger: yes
20:51<sarnold>Synthea: yes, it's pretty brutal tool. but it gives good results when you're out of ideas..
20:51<bill-auger>ok i will try again later from another email box
20:51<themill>bill-auger: sometimes a mail server sits on emails for a while
20:52<bill-auger>yes i will wait until tomorrow to give it time
20:52<bill-auger>wne does buster freeze anyways?
20:53<Synthea>sarnold, btw I get this error with npm run deploy:linux-x64:deb
20:53<themill>!buster freeze
20:53<dpkg>Buster will start the freeze process on 2019-01-12 see https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/04/msg00006.html or ask me about <freeze>, <slushy>.
20:53<bill-auger>ok thanks
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21:03<istrive>where to find support for iis reverse proxy into Debian server?
21:04<blast007>IIS, being Internet Information Services, Microsoft's web server?
21:04<istrive>I need to make a rewrite rule to change the address from outside (wan) subdomain.domain.com/tools to (lan) serverip/admin
21:05<istrive>yes!
21:05<blast007>I would think you'd ask about that on some Microsoft related channel
21:05<istrive>I have no idea if they have one for such topic!
21:05<istrive>lol
21:06<blast007>well, it's certainly not this one
21:06<istrive>since must of the Linux Admins face this kind of mix environment, I tried here first!
21:09<sarnold>if you've got an nginx or squid or haproxy or varnish reverse proxy in front of it you might have options..
21:11<istrive>how would the rule be in that case?
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21:23<istrive>I found a windows channel at freenode, heading there now to quest my way out of this trouble!
21:23<istrive>thanks for your reply...
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22:03<pingjocky>has anyone compiled the 4.18 kernel and tried to run it with Stable or Testing?
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22:09<dvs>pingjocky, it just came out yesterday
22:09<pingjocky>dvs: I know, just asking
22:10<pingjocky>no looking for support
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23:14<tomg>any recommendations for making firefox faster when it has about 30 tabs open? i have 8 GiB of RAM and an i5 at 3.2 GHZ or something and it still can't handle it
23:14<tomg>i think i'll use umatrix again, even though it blocks ads
23:15<tomg>actually i guess i can't ask that because i use LMDE, which isn't Debian
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23:22<twb>OK, my fake question is: can I have two USB qwerty keyboards plugged into the same computer, and one of them is qwerty, and the other is remapped to dvorak?
23:23<twb>(My real problem is to remap scancodes in a keyboard-emulating USB IR receiver, without affecting the regular USB keyboard)
23:25<twb>xkbcomp has -i deviceid...
23:27<twb>"setxkbmap -print | xkbcomp -a -" isn't helping though
23:29<twb>"setxkbmap -print | xkbcomp -a -xkb - - | less" has some more things in it
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23:31<twb>diff -u <(setxkbmap -print | xkbcomp -xkb - -) <(setxkbmap -print dvorak | xkbcomp -xkb - -)
23:31<twb>...OK that shows the difference in mappings, but it doesn't show how scancodes become keycodes become keysyms
23:33<twb>"xinput list" can see about five keyboards, but e.g. "xinput list-props 'AT Translated Set 2 keyboard'" isn't telling me anything obvious about mappings
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