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01:55<SpeedyG>debian++ :D
01:55<SpeedyG>just found out that the display which everyone (windows and macos) was having problems with at the start, worked out of the box with debian/gnome :D
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07:14<peb>Synthea: you mean the dns namespace I guess?
07:15<Synthea>peb I mean a copy of the dns zone with the matchings domain - ip
07:15<peb>yes
07:15<Synthea>Well if it's that yes
07:15<peb>the DNS zone transfer has been deactivated on Debian's authoritatives servers
07:15<peb>so there is no trivial way
07:15<Synthea>Yeah I know, that's why I'm asking
07:15<peb>sure, you could do otherwise
07:16<Synthea>No trivial what does means?
07:16<peb>but the best idea in my opinion would be to nicely ask to the DSA
07:16<Synthea>Yeah but idk to whom
07:17<peb>https://dsa.debian.org/
07:17<peb>if you expect a positive answer, the best idea would be to provide a little intel to them
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07:30<traumschule>is there a way to simulate i/o errors?
07:30<grawity>dm-flakey
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07:41<traumschule>thanks, grawity. only got ruby-retryable when searching with apt, but found https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/device-mapper/dm-flakey.txt
07:44<traumschule>ah its in dmsetup
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07:52<traumschule>e2fuzz is another option https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/fs/ext2/e2fsprogs.git/tree/misc/e2fuzz.sh
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08:14<Synthea>How can I create a thing master-key / subkey for signing my emails?
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08:39<k-man>in nautilus, can i add bookmarks above the section above the "Bookmarks" Section, like where Home, Documents and Downloads are?
08:39<k-man>Synthea, a "thing" ?
08:40<Synthea>k-man ???
08:40<k-man>what do you mean by a "thing master-key"?
08:41<grawity>k-man: only certain predefined ones (Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Videos)
08:41<k-man>grawity, i can't make my own ones there?
08:41<grawity>their path (and name, sort of) can be changed, but programs will expect them to use for that thing
08:41<grawity>no you cannot
08:41<k-man>grawity, ok
08:41<grawity>the bookmark area is where the bookmark area is
08:42<k-man>Synthea, i'm not at all expert at that, bit I think this may help you? https://incenp.org/notes/2015/using-an-offline-gnupg-master-key.html
08:42<k-man>grawity, ok thanks
08:43<k-man>grawity, can i add a bookmark for / somehow?
08:43<Synthea>k-man, something like master - subkey
08:43<grawity>go to /, press the "Add bookmark" button
08:44<k-man>grawity, i think i must be "doing it wrong" (tm)
08:44<k-man>as i don't see any add bookmark button
08:44<grawity>it's somewhere
08:44<grawity>use Ctrl+D
08:45<k-man>legend!
08:45<k-man>thank you
08:46<Synthea>k-man, yes but how to create them?
08:47<grawity>Synthea: gpg --gen-key
08:47<blast007>Synthea: have you done any research on this or are you just using us as your search engine?
08:48<Synthea>blast007, yes but not with gpg2
08:48<blast007>so the answer is 'no' then?
08:48<k-man>Synthea, https://alexcabal.com/creating-the-perfect-gpg-keypair/ ? as i said, i have no idea
08:48<grawity>it works the same way in gpg2 as it did in gpg1
08:48<Synthea>grawity, so what's the difference between gpg2 and gpg1?
08:49<grawity>internal architecture
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09:16<Synthea>gpg: "if Mallory gets access to this certificate he can use it to make your key unusable."
09:17<Synthea>Whos Mallory?
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09:25<duclicsic>Synthea: "Mallory" is a fictional character often used in simple explanations of cryptographic systems. Often Alice and Bob are the two people trying to communicate, while Mallory is some malicious attacker.
09:25<Synthea>Oh thx
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09:30<Synthea>evolution says that a signature is valid but isn't possible veryfing the sender, what does that mean?
09:35<Synthea>Or, to say it better, why isn't possible verify the sender? Isn't the email address included in the key?
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09:40<grawity>anyone can add any address to their key
09:41<grawity>so if you just compare the sender address with the signing key, that... completely defeats the purpose of signing
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10:42<Synthea>grawity, that's why it compares also the key id
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11:29<Synthea^>How can I set a master uuid in a gpg key? It shows as master a uuid which I've not set as ultimate
11:30<peb>what do you call a master uid?
11:30<Synthea^>Nevermind, found it
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11:31<peb>ok
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11:35<abacate>jitterstick, could you please help me again with my wireless usb adapter?
11:35<abacate>There is still something wrong with it.
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11:40<abacate>Or if someone else could help me, I would appreciate.
11:40<petn-randall>!ask
11:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
11:40<arto>abacate: what is your problem?
11:41<abacate>Sorry petn-randall
11:41<peb>don't be sorry, just don't hesitate to ask your question :)
11:42<abacate>arto, I have bought the TP-LINK TL-WN823N usb wireless adapter. With help, I have installed it, and it does detects the available wireless networks, but I can't connect to them.
11:42<arto>abacate: how do you try to connect? Any errors?
11:44<abacate>arto Using Wicd, I have a list of wireless networks, including "testing 123", the network I have set up just for testing my adapter. When I click "connect", it stops at "obtaining IP address", but then, after some time, just says "not connected".
11:44*peb did have kind of the same issues regarding wicd & dhcp
11:44<abacate>I have disabled any security for this network, so it cannot be incorrect password - it does not have any.
11:45<petn-randall>abacate: It sounds like you don't have a DHCP server running on the wifi network.
11:45<peb>abacate: how is this network set up?
11:45<arto>abacate: and you are absolutely sure you have the right password
11:45<petn-randall>arto: hahahah :)
11:45<abacate>petn-randall, when I connect to my wireless router through cable, I see DHCP enabled on the configurations.
11:46<peb>abacate: maybe there are specific dhcp configuration you should set up on this router?
11:47<peb>(for the wifi)
11:47<arto>petn-randall: you would not believe how many times right password solved many problems as I worked a few years in computer support
11:48<abacate>peb, the options on the DHCP tab are "enable" (yes/no), starting IP address, ending IP address, and the lease time.
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11:48<peb>did you restart your wireless router since you enabled the dhcp/configured this wifi network?
11:48<abacate>Anyway, I cannot connect to a wireless network of my neighbour, it gives the same error.
11:49<arto>abacate: I thin wpasupplicant is better at least for configuring, as it gives clear error messages
11:50<peb>abacate: as arto said, I'd try with something more verbose than wicd regarding errors
11:52<peb>https://askubuntu.com/questions/138472/how-do-i-connect-to-a-wpa-wifi-network-using-the-command-line to help you use wpa_supplicant
11:52<abacate>peb, restarted the router now, same thing.
11:53<peb>okay, so give wpa_supplicant a try
11:53<abacate>Also, I'm not using WPA, it's configured as "insecure".
11:53<peb>doesn't matter
11:53<peb>wpa_supplicant is able to connect to unprotected networks
11:53<abacate>I'm worried about the possibility of having messed up with the driver.
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11:55<arto>abacate: http://paste.debian.net/1038166/
11:56<arto>abacate: if it sees networks, I think that's not possible with wrong driver
11:58<arto>abacate: and in the link example, wpa_supplicant does not need to know what security, jut SSID and password if required
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12:03<abacate>arto, I followed your tutorial until the test command. It started wpa_supplicant and said "rfkill: WLAN hard blocked"
12:05<arto>abacate: try without password, and without wep/wpa
12:05<peb>abacate: what's the output of "sudo rfkill list" ?
12:05<arto>abacate: only SSID
12:05<abacate>arto, I'm without password and without any security
12:06<arto>abacate: dhserver active?
12:06<abacate>peb, it lists 2 wireless lan. "phy0" is hard blocked and not soft blocked. And "phy1" isn't soft nor hard blocked.
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12:07<Synthea>peb what did you mean "by give a little intel"?
12:07<abacate>arto, dhserver?
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12:07<arto>abacate: dhcp
12:07<abacate>arto, dhcp is enabled on the wireless router
12:07<peb>abacate: so it seems your machine has two wireless physical devices
12:08<peb>Synthea: let's imagine you receive a "I'd like a copy of your whole dns zone" email
12:08<peb>what could be "a little intel" that would help you to consider answering "yes, here it is"?
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12:08<abacate>peb, one is the not-working wireless onboard card. The other is the usb adapter.
12:09<peb>yes, and it's plausible that wpa_supplicant tried to use the not-working one
12:09<arto>abacate:try to disable that non-working
12:09<peb>can you give me the output of "ip l" ?
12:09<peb>arto: it IS disabled.
12:09<Synthea>peb giving fast resolutions on your debian-machines of debian-related services?
12:10<arto>abacate :wpa_suplicant -iphy1 -c/etc/network...
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12:10<peb>Synthea: which is *a reason*
12:10<peb>so give them an intel about why this would be useful for you
12:10<peb>what you intend to do with such copy of the zone they'd give you
12:10<abacate>arto, i tried first by the network name as if appears on ip addr
12:11<peb>(also, mint it's plausible they say no)
12:11<arto>abacate:by -i you give the nic
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12:11<peb>(mind*)
12:12<abacate>peb, "ip l" list 4 items: lo, enp2s0, wlp6s0, and wlxd46e0ec9aa0a2
12:12<arto>abacate: and you should know the network name, how would you disable security other wise
12:12<peb>abacate: and what command did you exactly type, with wpa_supplicant?
12:13<arto>abacate: or SSID, not name
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12:13<abacate>peb, I tried first wpa_supplicant -iwlxd46e0ec9aa0a2 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
12:14<arto>abacate: as I said -i is the nic, in my case wlan0
12:14<peb>try with -iwlp6s0 in case of?
12:14<abacate>peb, but now I tried, as arto suggested, wpa_supplicant -iphy1 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
12:14<blast007>Synthea: why wouldn't you just run a caching DNS resolver on your network that forwards to a nearby public DNS resolver? having a local copy of the zone just means it will get out of sync and break.
12:14<abacate>It gave me another error: "no such device"
12:14<peb>which is normal
12:14<peb>this idea was not a good one
12:15<arto>abacate: ip a <=what does it say?
12:15<abacate>peb, I tried now with -iwlp6s0 . It gave me the same error: "wlan hard blocked"
12:16<peb>can you give me the output of iw dev ?
12:16<abacate>arto, "ip a" lists the 4 network devices I have already mentioned when typed "ip l".
12:16<peb>(in paste.debian.net)
12:17<arto>^^
12:18<abacate>peb, the output of iw dev is on https://paste.debian.net/1038170/
12:20<peb>abacate: what is the id of phy1?
12:20<peb>(in rfkill list output)
12:20<peb>(the number before the colon)
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12:21<abacate>peb, 1
12:22<peb>and it says it's not hard blocked
12:22<peb>?
12:22<abacate>peb, "Hard blocked: no".
12:22<abacate>phy0 is hard blocked. Id 0
12:23<peb>do you have a hard switch on the usb wifi dongle?
12:23<abacate>peb, nope.
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12:23<peb>can you give it a try at unplugging/replugging it?
12:23<abacate>It does have a button for WPS, though
12:23<peb>huh
12:24<abacate>unplugged, replugged. rfkill now lists it as 2, not blocked.
12:24<peb>what's the interface name in ip l ?
12:25<peb>try to call wpa_supplicant again with the interface
12:25<abacate>peb, interface 5 (not 4 anymore) still names it as wlxd46e0ec9a0a2
12:25<peb>try again with wpa_supplicant?
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12:26<abacate>peb, wpa_supplicant still says it's hard blocked.
12:26<abacate>I suppose it's calling the wrong interface
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12:26<peb>nope, not if you provide i option
12:26<peb>can you try with -dwext ?
12:26<peb>(wpa_supplicant -dwext -i... -c...
12:27<peb>erm
12:27<peb>-Dwext
12:27<peb>with a capital D
12:27<arto>I have those TP wifi dongles, they work eaysily without any driver
12:27<peb>and yet it doesn't work for him :/
12:27<arto>that's the funny part
12:27<abacate>peb, wpa_supplicant says wlan is hard blocked, and ioctl have invalid argument
12:28<abacate>arto, should I uninstall the driver?
12:28<peb>with -Dwext?
12:28<abacate>Yes peb
12:28<arto>abacate: how did you install it?
12:28<peb>what is the list of drivers given by wpa_supplicant -h ?
12:29<abacate>peb, -h is for help
12:29<peb>abacate: and yet it gives such a list.
12:29<peb>so I'm asking you again "what is the list of drivers given by wpa_supplicant -h ?"
12:29<abacate>peb, sorry. It lists nl80211, wext, wired, and none
12:29<peb>I have fear that -Dnl80211 won't change a thing :/
12:29<peb>you can try
12:30<peb>but I'm kind of skeptical
12:30<peb>how did you install your dongle driver?
12:30<abacate>peb, -Dnl80211 gives the same result
12:30<peb>(no surprise)
12:31<abacate>peb and arto the driver was obtained at a github that said it had the updated driver. Then "make" "make install", etc. and it was installed. The official driver could not be installed, because it was for a very old version of the Linux kernel
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12:31<arto>abacate: did you try without that driver?
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12:32<abacate>arto, no
12:32<abacate>To be more precise: I tried wrong
12:33<peb>what is the brand and the model of your dongle?
12:33<abacate>peb, TP-LINK TL-WN823N
12:33<abacate>I don't mind uninstalling the driver to test the dongle without it, but I don't know how to uninstall
12:33<peb>does the makefile have an "uninstall" option?
12:34<abacate>peb, yes
12:35<abacate>It is the "rtl8192eu-linux-driver-realtek-4.4.x", by the way
12:35<abacate>The official driver is "TL-WN823N(EU)_V2_160315_Linux"
12:36<peb>abacate: I'd try uninstalling the driver
12:36<peb>the chipsed of the WN823N is an atheros
12:36<abacate>Wait, I have "trl8192eu-dkms_4.4_all.deb" here too.
12:37<abacate>peb, I remembered one thing: the Debian wiki does not lists my device number
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12:38<peb>ah, what version of the 823N is it?
12:39<peb>(yes, there is more than one)
12:39<abacate>peb, v2
12:39<peb>ah, the v2 is a realtek chipset
12:39<abacate>It's written near the barcode on the box
12:39<peb>you can try removing the custom driver and apt install firmware-realtek
12:40<peb>then reboot
12:40<peb>than try again wicd/wpa_supplicant without the -D option
12:40<peb>but you have to remove the driver you make installed
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12:41<abacate>peb, I already have firmware-realtek installed. And now I have uninstalled the driver. How to confirm if it was successfully uninstalled?
12:42<peb>how did you uninstall it?
12:42<abacate>I navigated, through terminal, to the folder were it was downloaded, and typed make uninstall
12:44<peb>and what did it output?
12:44<abacate>peb and arto, I was worried about having the wrong driver because "inxi -N" listed the driver "rtl8192ce" instead of "rtl8192eu".
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12:46<abacate>peb, make uninstall output: https://paste.debian.net/1038175
12:47<arto>abacate: I figured that driver is a kernel module
12:48<peb>abacate: in case of, do an apt install --reinstall firmware-realtek
12:50<abacate>peb, reinstalled firmware-realtek. Is my output ok? Can I restart my system now?
12:50<peb>yep
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12:56<abacate>peb, restarded. Again, it stops at "obtaining IP address" and loses the connection, on Wicd. The device is still listed as wlxd46e0ec9aa0a2 on "ip addr". "rfkill list" says id 0 is phy1 and id 1 is phy0
12:57<abacate>And phy1 is hard blocked
12:57<abacate>So wpa_supplicant still says it's hard blocked
12:58<peb>what does iw dev say?
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12:58<abacate>inxi -N still lists the driver as "rtl8192ce" instead of "rtl8192eu". Maybe there is still some other driver to be uninstalled?
13:00<abacate>peb, iw dev says basically the same as when https://paste.debian.net/1038170/ , except that wlxd46e0ec9aa0a2 is now phy#0 instead of phy#1, and it changed "wdev 0x100000001" to "wdev 0x1"
13:00<abacate>The number 0x100000001 went to "phy#1", which now is wlp6s0
13:04<abacate>The page I mentioned on Debian Wiki is https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
13:04<abacate>It mentions many rtl8192, except the "eu" one.
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13:08<tidux>Will firefox-esr get bumped to 60.0 in Stretch soon?
13:08<tidux>Or is that waiting on mips/mipsel/ppc64/s390x to get bumped to 60 in Sid?
13:09<Brigo>tidux, that depends on what you undestand by soon. :)
13:09<Brigo>,v firefox-esr
13:09<judd>Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 60.1.0esr-2
13:10<annadane>tidux, i think the idea is next month
13:10<annadane>IIRC
13:10<annadane>when current ESR goes EOL
13:10<jhutchins_wk>abacate: Network Manager is preferred over wicd. Works with more chipsets.
13:10<annadane>they're currently trying to get rust into debian, or something
13:10<tidux>annadane: ok cool
13:10<Brigo>it doesn't look well: https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/auto-firefox-esr.html
13:11<annadane>you can still of course use newer firefoxes from mozilla's website as a tarball
13:11<tidux>annadane: not on arm64 I can't
13:11<annadane>you don't *have* to use firefox esr
13:11*annadane is using waterfox
13:11<tidux>Linux durga 4.9.0-6-arm64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.82-1+deb9u3 (2018-03-02) aarch64 GNU/Linux
13:12<Brigo>tidux, https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=firefox-esr
13:12*petn-randall wonders where earthfox and airfox are.
13:14<abacate>jhutchins_wk, ok, installed network-manager. What to do now?
13:14<jhutchins_wk>abacate: Make sure you remove wicd.
13:15<jhutchins_wk>abacate: I believe you use nmcli to control it.
13:16<abacate>jhutchins_wk, ok, removed wicd and restarted the system. I prefer using a gui interface.
13:16<tidux>then install nm-applet and gnome-keyring
13:16<abacate>tidux, I'm not using gnome, I'm using lxde
13:17<jhutchins_wk> nmtui for a curses interface.
13:17<tidux>abacate: doesn't matter
13:17<tidux>gnome-keyring is needed for nm-applet to store secrets
13:17<drakonis>oh its debian day today
13:17<tidux>unless you make everything a "system connection"
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13:17<tidux>then it stores them as root-only files in /etc
13:19<jhutchins_wk>abacate: The package is network-manager-gnome and it works with xfce.
13:19<abacate>jhutchins_wk, thanks
13:19<tidux>or a standalone WM for that matter
13:20<abacate>jhutchins_wk, removed wicd and wicd-gtk. It does not appears on my "start menu" anymore. Restarted the system.
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13:25<abacate>My cabled connection is working, although PING isn't
13:26<tidux>if you can't ping your gateway or an external host it's not working
13:26<tidux>are you sure DNS is configured?
13:26<abacate>tidux, I can open websites on firefox, and I can ping my gateway
13:26<tidux>well there you go
13:28<abacate>jhutchins_wk, nm-connection-editor, which I suppose is the wanted applet, does not list any wireless connection. I added one, but it still isn't listed as an option
13:29<abacate>There is another applet that says no wireless connection was detected
13:30<tidux>open a terminal and run "iwlist scan | grep -i essid"
13:30<tidux>does that show your network?
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13:31<abacate>tidux, it says "Interface doesn't support scanning: Network is down"
13:31<tidux>well there ya go, your nic is off
13:32<abacate>tidux, I want to use my usb wifi dongle
13:32<abacate>It's connected to my usb port
13:33<tidux>well it's clearly not being picked up
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13:33<abacate>tidux, what to do?
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13:34<tidux>off the top of my head, get better hardware
13:34<tidux>or learn how to look through dmesg and see if it's getting picked up but misconfigured
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13:35<abacate>tidux, I would prefer to use this dongle because I recently bought it.
13:35<tidux>it still might be garbage
13:35<tidux>post the output of dmesg on dpaste and link it
13:40<abacate>tidux, when buying those dongles, how to know if they are garbage? I bought the more expensive, from a good manufacturer.
13:40<tidux>get one that's RYF certified if you want to make sure it works with Debian
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13:41<tidux>https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom
13:41<tidux>also there's almost no such thing as a good manufacturer of PC peripherals
13:42<abacate>tidux, here is the output of dmesg: https://paste.debian.net/1038183/
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13:45<tidux>abacate: open a terminal as root if you haven't already
13:45<abacate>tidux, already opened
13:45<tidux># ip link set wlxd46e0ec9a0a2 up
13:45<tidux>then rerun "iwlist scan"
13:46<abacate>wlxd46e0ec9a0a2 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
13:46<abacate>tidux, I don't get why it doesn't support scanning. I was able to scan on Wicd
13:47<tidux>well it looks like you're doing something wrong
13:47<tidux>try this: "iw dev wlxd46e0ec9a0a2 scan ap-force"
13:47<tidux>if that doesn't work run "rfkill list all" and make sure the antenna isn't shut down
13:48<abacate>tidux, "command failed: Network is down (-100)"
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13:49<abacate>tidux, is nm-connection-editor the correct applet to add new network?
13:49<tidux>if your NIC isn't scanning you've got bigger problems
13:49<tidux>did you try unplugging and replugging it after switching to nm?
13:50<abacate>tidux, yes, even restarted the pc
13:51<abacate>tidux, should I check the drivers again?
13:51<tidux>no, the NIC isn't throwing errors in dmesg
13:51<tidux>this looks like a userspace problem
13:51<tidux>aka something you did
13:51<tidux>but I'm out of time, so good luck
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14:00<arto>abacate: the driver you downloaded from git built a kernel module, to remove that I guess you should remove it from /lib/modules/, or blacklist it
14:02<arto>abacate: rebooting will not help
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14:03<abacate>arto, thanks, but how do I remove a module?
14:04<abacate>Oh god, why installing thing on Linux is a pain in the donkey?
14:05<abacate>arto, I believe I installed more than one driver, because I kept trying until one of them worked
14:05<arto>abacate: well, check uname -a, what is your running kernel, find correspondin modules in /lib/modules, and then perhaps modification dates would be best criteria
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14:08<abacate>arto, 4.9.0-7-686-pae . There are many files edited today in there
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14:09<arto>abacate: yum, I'm scared I say something that will cause reinstallation, but if they are today edited, probably they are all yours
14:11<arto>abacate: of course you could move all today edited to somewhere else
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14:12<arto>abacate: then boot, if you are back in point zero, but things work, continue
14:13<arto>abacate: first try without driver, then firmware from debian-repo
14:14<abacate>arto, how to know if I'm without driver?
14:14<arto>abacate: if you remove all today created/edited modules
14:15<arto>abacate: or move to other dir
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14:17<abacate>arto, how probably will my system break after this?
14:18<arto>abacate: it's the best advice I can tell, but never tried that. But how far are you willing to go, get your tp-link to work?
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14:19<abacate>arto, I prefer another way: I have another Debian machine, and can try installing on it correctly and see if it works. What do you think?
14:19<abacate>After that, I can mess with my netbook again
14:19<arto>abacate: ok, it should be clean, might be good idea
14:20<abacate>But arto , right now I can't do that. I need to go out and do some tech support for windows machines
14:20<arto>abacate: understood!
14:20<abacate>After that, I will return to here and mention you
14:20<arto>abacate: it's late night here, but I guess here will be others more educated than me
14:20<abacate>(will take some hours)
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14:21<abacate>OK!
14:21<arto>abacate: so good luck! You have good spirit!
14:22<abacate>I really will need to go far to make this dongle work. I will start living on another town on the next week, and the only Internet access I will get is the city free wi-fi.
14:22<arto>abacate: week should be enough
14:23<arto>abacate: I try to find my tp-link dongles, have not needed them, since this notebook internal wifi works
14:24<arto>abacate: atheros chip
14:28<abacate>Goodbye
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15:22<znoteer>I'm starting to get input/output errors on external USB hard drives. I tried to copy some files to one of them but they are mostly corrupt, as in couldn't be read, and as in "ls -lF" gives input/output errors and all of permissions, owner, size, timestamp and name all have question marks in them
15:23<znoteer>I'm unable to delete the files
15:23<znoteer>the filesystem is mounted rw. Any ideas what I should look at?
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15:34<ach>!chown
15:34<dpkg>methinks chown is CHange OWNer, its part of the fileutils package, try 'man chown' at the prompt
15:34<ach>do chown as user
15:35<znoteer>ach: was that for me?
15:35<ach>also maybe
15:35<ach>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/68439/taking-file-ownership-when-file-and-directory-is-readable-writable
15:35<ach>yes
15:36<znoteer>chown to who? I've got one file with no weird characters in the long listing, and it is owned by me and my group
15:36<ach>if you can't mount readable you must do it as root
15:37<ach>take permission of them then you can delete them
15:38<ach>u would in my case use my standard user as you told
15:38<sarnold>IO errors usually mean the drive is toast
15:38<ach>-u +i
15:38<sarnold>question marks in the ls output mean the values are corrupted on disk
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15:39<sarnold>check dmesg and you'll probably spot a ton of diagnostic data to tell you your drive is dying / has bad sectors / etc
15:39<sarnold>make backups of the data that remains and throw the thing inthe nearest eelctronics recycling bin
15:39<ach>or even just compromised
15:40<znoteer>except it started doing it on two external drives at the same time
15:40<ach>is the question touch of want
15:40<znoteer>would two newish drives go south at the same time?
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15:42<ach>as you know if files worthless also no need to have ->
15:42<ach>!gparted
15:42<dpkg>GParted is the <GNOME> partition editor, which uses libparted (see <parted>) and other optional filesystem tools. Install the suggested ntfsprogs and dosfstools packages to enable <NTFS> and FAT16/32 support respectively. Consider a <debian-live> image and installing gparted (after boot) as an alternative to the GParted Live CD. http://gparted.sf.net/faq.php #gparted on irc.gnome.org.
15:42<sarnold>hrm, good question -- it might be busted usb controllers or similar then?
15:42<ach>delete the bootsector
15:42<blast007>znoteer: ignore what ach says
15:42<ach>or even they died
15:43<ach>blast007 is their are deeper sense you want hide of i rescued his files?
15:44<blast007>what?
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15:46<ach>needs are given to put back the shit out ruined his harddrive
15:46<mnuhmnuh>ach: you're mistaken, or just plain wrong. chown is not going to help, and doesn't address the problem.
15:48<ach>is their file called owner ?????????????????? ?
15:49<znoteer>sarnold: I am seeing some errors in dmesg "Buffer I/O error on dev sdc1, logical block 1, async page read", "ses 5:0:0:1: Wrong diagnostic page; asked for 1 got 0", "ses 5:0:0:1: Failed to get diagnostic page 0xffffffea", "ses 5:0:0:1: Failed to bind enclosure -19"
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15:50<ach>? fsck
15:51<ach>what wrong on my slostice delete the files
15:52<sarnold>znoteer: yeah.. that's the stuff. :( maybe try that drive with another computer to see if the drive is toast or the host is toast..
15:52<mnuhmnuh>znoteer: bad cable, perhaps? are they both on the same cable?
15:52<sarnold>znoteer: it might also be the enclosure, and the drive inside may be fine..
15:52<znoteer>sarnold: if only I had another to test it with
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15:53<sarnold>hrm :(
15:53<znoteer>mnuhmnuh: different cables
15:54<znoteer>when it started happening on the first drive I started a reformat which is taking an insanely long time. So I can't do any testing with that drive at the moment
15:55<sarnold>yeah... I wouldn't trust the results of that reformat
15:55<sarnold>was that a full drive clear or a 'normal' reformat? normal reformats just write a few blocks and are done in moments..
15:57<znoteer>I'm formating exfat, so my choices are limited. I first tried a fast format, but that gave me no joy, so it's currently zeroing the disk
15:57<sarnold>ahh okay
15:57<sarnold>(I still wouldn't trust it..)
15:57<mnuhmnuh>badblocks?
15:59<znoteer>when I first put the drive in the enclosure, and formated, it took a bit more than overnight to zero and do everything else. This time round, after nearly 24 hours, it's only zeroed 7% of the disk
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16:00<znoteer>mnuhmnuh: when I tried to run exfatfsck, it wasn't able to run because of i/o errors
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17:08<abacate>Hello. I need to install an usb wifi dongle on Debian. Can someone please help me through the process?
17:08<abacate>It's not as simple as it seems
17:12<Brigo>abacate, we will need more information.
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17:18<abacate>Brigo, it's TP-LINK TL-WN823N
17:18<abacate>Which additional information is needed?
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17:30<Brigo>abacate, sorry, i have to go now. Maybe someone else can help you.
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17:42<Delta-Two>abacate: have you looked for or maybe found a tutorial ? do you what driver to use ?
17:43<abacate>Delta-Two, yes. But the official driver can't be used, as it's for a Linux kernel that is too old.
17:44<mnuhmnuh>abacate: try plugging TP-LINK into the wiki search box (you'll need to do "full text search"). it mentions a few closely related device names (eg. wn821n). you may find some clues in there.
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17:47<mnuhmnuh>abacate: that kinda sounds like the kiss of death for it. good luck.
17:48-!-mode/#debian [+l 350] by debhelper
17:48<Delta-Two>if you're lucky, someone has continued development to make it work with newer kernels. might be worth a shot looking for that
17:48<abacate>mnuhmnuh, there are unofficial drivers on the web, and they probably work, but I did something wrong and couldn't make them work. So that's why I'm asking for help when installing on this another machine I'm using now.
17:49<abacate>Delta-Two, exactly. But I need help in order to not make any mess again
17:50<abacate>mnuhmnuh, about Debian Wiki, I already know that the most useful page is https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x . But rtl8192eu isn't there.
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17:51<Delta-Two>we can't really help you, if we don't know, what you're doing. so follow one of those tutorials and tell us, when things go wrong
17:51<abacate>OK Delta-Two
17:53<abacate>Delta-Two, just to be sure, I should install it on a virtual machine first, just to prevent messing my system uselessly, right?
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17:57<Delta-Two>I have no idea, if that works.
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20:04<maxrazer>Creating a debian boot usb stick creates two volumes? I reformatted in windows and it left this stupid little <1MB volume. I gave the drive to somebody to put files on and they couldn't fit all the files because they didn't notice the 7500MB volume...
20:06<maxrazer>7.5gb volume.
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20:07<jitterstick>maxrazer in windows I use rufus and do not have any problems.i do not understand your problem completely though.
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20:09<maxrazer>jitterstick, That quick format option in Finder doesn't work. I used the disk management tool. I created a 7.5GB partition, but didn't see or realize there was still a 400KB partition on there from Debian boot stick.
20:09<rmotao>Every time I join this channel I see less and less people. What's happening?
20:09<maxrazer>It is not very clear. Just annoying. Not Debian's fault. I'm not sure if windows did that or that partition was already there.
20:09<maxrazer>I think making a Debian boot usb is just one partition though.
20:10<maxrazer>rmotao, Might be the recent requirement to register.
20:10<jitterstick>maxrazer are you attempting to make a boot drive, or format for use afterword?
20:10<rmotao>I see.
20:11<rmotao>so...
20:11<rmotao>Debian turn bluetooth on every time I log in. Is it possible disable this?
20:11<maxrazer>No, I was just turning a Debian boot stick into a regular stick to give to somebody to put files on and when I formatted in windows it left a 400kb volume and they couldn't fit the files there and didn't notice the volume I actually created which was 7.5gb.
20:11<jitterstick>oh.
20:11<rmotao>My desktop manager is XFCE
20:12<rmotao>and I am using blueman to manager the bluetooth
20:13<maxrazer>rmotao, You could also try DWM. I was using XFCE, but you can much more easily use Debian unstable without a desktop environment.
20:14<blast007>maxrazer: you may be able to fix the partitions with Disk Management, or you could try installing SD Formatter and using that to quick format it (with the option to adjust the partition size enabled)
20:14<maxrazer>blast007, I went back with disk management and found it. It was labeled something not clear with the disk number or something and I missed it. It did not show up as a volume in the diagram.
20:14<jitterstick>rmotao go to the app menu settings and settings manager at the top then scroll down in options to session and startup then choose the application autostart tab and disable anything you wish.
20:17<rmotao>I see.
20:17<jitterstick>maxrazer on Debian !gnome-disk-manager will allow you to delete partitions and format, on windows diskpart will assist you. on diskpart type a ? and hit enter for options.
20:18<maxrazer>jitterstick, Thanks. I was using Windows Disk Manager
20:18<maxrazer>diskpart is CLI
20:19<rmotao>maxreazer... this DWM is stable or unstable?
20:20<jitterstick>yes type cmd in windows search at bottom right, or hold shift and right click to open one in a folder. if persmissions are insufficient type cmd in search and right click to run as admin.
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20:41<maxrazer>rmayorga_, It is available on both. I don't remember if the unstable has a newer version. The point is very minimalistic interface is very good and done. XFCE, and others are always being fixed and never done. Also unstable is often partially broken because it is so complex.
20:42<ullbeking>i've searched and searched, but i can't get quite the exact answer i need to this question, which i thought would be straightforward...
20:43<ullbeking>how do i mount a dvd via external usb-connected dvd-rw drive as an .iso?
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20:45<revtovss87>Hello friend, need help with radeon r7 240 and Debian 9 stretch, i'm newbie, it's my first start Unix system. Anybody can help me? Sorry for my bad english.
20:46<ullbeking>^ nvm i found some instructions that do the thing i'm trying to do, which is to extract the contents _as an iso_
20:47<revtovss87>i have a problem "radeon failed VCE resume (-110)" on startup.
20:51<revtovss87>Anybody here?
20:52<sarnold>revtovss87: yeah, but radeon users and paying attention might be a bit..
20:53<revtovss87>Oh ok
20:54<revtovss87>.рудз
20:54<revtovss87>sorry
20:55<revtovss87>i try 10:11
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20:59<revtovss87>i try ATIProprietary driver, and open source. No results. low fps in test(
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20:59<revtovss87>google don't know too ):
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21:04<revtovss87>amdgpu-pro driver are available on the official website radeon, but only for Ubuntu. Maybe try? Or they will not fit?
21:04<revtovss87>on debian stretch
21:05<sarnold>you can try but I wouldn't expect them to work
21:16<revtovss87>3 week, over9999
21:16<revtovss87>tons of coffee
21:16<revtovss87>and no result
21:20<revtovss87>thoughts to return to windows, but I drive away them, huge desire to work in Linux. "The camel cried, pricked, but continued to eat thorns."
21:23<revtovss87>maybe trouble in xorg.conf, need more coffee...
21:27<revtovss87>good bye
21:27<revtovss87>leave
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21:36<jitterstick>revtovss87 I used it on debian 8 and 9. You need the linux-firmware-nonfree package and the firmware-amd-graphics and the amdgpu video driver. all are in the non-free repo.
21:37<jitterstick>maybe its firmware-linux-nonfree.
21:37<jitterstick>and perhaps also the radeon driver and the ati video driver.
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21:38<jitterstick>I know I had problems on my intel board due to a chipset driver issue causing usb to fail.
21:40<jitterstick>msg nickserv info revtovss87
21:40<jitterstick>oh well.
21:41<sarnold>d'oh
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