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00:13<ppc64>doing a test install of buster alpha 3 and it seems to think my Intel RAID mirror is a software mirror. Any idea why?
00:26<ppc64>never mind ... I see two devices /dev/sda and /dev/sdb in the installer and there should be only one disk
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02:11<kenyon>ppc64: it's probably fakeraid
02:12<kenyon>!dpkg fakeraid
02:12<dpkg>Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid
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09:16<olspookishmagus>does anyone know whether apt-file search foo will only search for that file and not also search within a match on that filename's default installation path? something similar to find's path/ipath and name/iname
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10:00<thorsten>Hi, I want to install debian into an existing partition in an lvm in a dm-crypt without loosing the other logical volumes in the lvm. But now I'm stuck in the 'manual partitioning' step in the graphical installer. How can I tell the debian installer to use the existing lvm in the dm-crypt?
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10:14<thorsten>WTF my old system does not boot anymore and I'm pretty damn sure I did not approve any "Really write data to disk?" question... :(
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10:39<rudi_s>thorsten: I'd boot into rescue mode and look what's wrong. Regarding the installer, I'd use debootstrap to install the system without using the installer.
10:39<rudi_s>(I'm not sure if it can handle existing LVM volumnes.)
10:39<rudi_s>What is the error on boot?
10:40<thorsten>rudi_s: it seems the luks header was replaced by the LVM header... (judging from head -c 1024 /dev/sdb2 |less)
10:40<thorsten>and the error is "… is not a valid LUKS Device"
10:41<rudi_s>thorsten: Ouch. That sounds quite bad. - Which steps did you take in the manual disk installer?
10:41<rudi_s>I hope you have a backup of this partition :-(
10:42<thorsten>not an entire backup... I can try to reproduce the steps I did
10:42<rudi_s>thorsten: That's not good. If the LUKS header is lost, all data on the encrypted partition is lost as well.
10:43<rudi_s>If you select "configured the lvm manager" (not quite sure about the exact naming) then I think it applies the changes on disk (and I think it pops up a dialog first). That's when the header could've been overwritten - if you got through that dialog.
10:47<thorsten>I was definitely asked whether I'm finished with setting up the partitions
10:47<rudi_s>I think that was the point where it writes the changes. IIRC it asks, but I'm not sure if the dialog is really explanatory enough.
10:49<thorsten>10 years ago in graphical installers there was a dialog in entire upper case "do you really want to apply the changes to this&that partition? any data previously on these partitions will be lost"
10:50<rudi_s>thorsten: Yeah, IIRC that still exists too. But I don't know off-hand if the part about LVM is as explicit.
10:51<rudi_s>(And to be honest I don't know the exact time when any changes get written to disk. Maybe it's later than I think.)
10:51<rudi_s>But if it's not clear, I think that warrants a bug report for the debian-installer.
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10:58<thorsten>there is indeed a question "Before encrypted volumes can be configured, the current partitioning scheme has to be written to disk. these changes cannot be undone"
11:01<rudi_s>Hm.
11:01<thorsten>I think the confusion here was: when answering with 'yes', the installer rewrites the header of the partition even though I elected "Erase data: no" in the settings for the partition
11:02<rudi_s>thorsten: Ah, I see. But "these changes cannot be undone" could be formulated stronger, a bug with a better wording sounds like a good idea to prevent similar issues in the future.
11:03<rudi_s>The "Erase data" is only concerned about the contents of the partition.
11:03<thorsten>isn't the header of the partition a part of the content of the partition?
11:03<rudi_s>(And in this case the header is not considered content, but gets destroyed when initializing the new LUKS partition.)
11:04<rudi_s>thorsten: Yes, but the LUKS header is not a header of the partition, but (to the partition schema) only content.
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11:07<thorsten>I don't get this statement. "LUKS header is not a header but only content" and »The "Erase data" is only concerned about the contents« implies that "erase data"=no means that the luks header is not erased
11:08<rudi_s>thorsten: But the option is talking about the content of the LUKS block device, not of contents of the partion where the LUKS block device is put it.
11:09<rudi_s>Sorry for the confusion about "partition" above, I meant: The "Erase data" is only concerned about the contents of the (in the future) decrypted LUKS block device.
11:09<thorsten>I see
11:10<thorsten>anyway. time to setup everything again from scratch :(
11:10<rudi_s>:-(
11:12<thorsten>rudi_s: or is there any hope that the luks passphrase-to-masterkey table is past the size of the lvm header?
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11:22<rudi_s>thorsten: I don't know how large the LVM header exactly is. However the important data in the LUKS header is directly at beginning, so I don't think the relevant parts survived.
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12:06<ppc64>good day. A question about the installer and raid1 mirrors. The installer seems to detect two disks and present a software mirror as opposed to a single logical device via the intel onboard raid config. Is this normal ?
12:07<ppc64>this seems odd to me https://i.imgur.com/Lzg2D4k.png
12:07<petn-randall>ppc64: It's likely because your HW RAID is a fakeraid.
12:07<petn-randall>!fakeraid
12:07<dpkg>Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid
12:09<ppc64>ah ha .. okay .. that makes sense to me. I figured that real hardware RAID wasn't going to be simply built into an ASUS mobo regardless what the BIOS config claims
12:09<petn-randall>ppc64: Btw, what installer is that? You seem to have several terminals to switch to.
12:10<ppc64>that is the normal off the shelf expert mode installer via ssh
12:10<ppc64>I can nor recall the last time I used the graphical installer
12:10<ppc64>at least a decade .. or more
12:11<petn-randall>Ah, the one where you switch to remote SSH after booting from it? I remember using that a few times.
12:11<petn-randall>The menu prompt is "Continue installing via SSH" or something like that.
12:11<ppc64>it is without a doubt one of the sweetest features of debian installation
12:11<petn-randall>Indeed, no need to sit in the loud server room :)
12:12<ppc64>yes .. that is it exactly. So no need to a hardware kvm switch and such. Also .. yeah .. no need to stand in a freezing datacenter
12:12<ppc64>I can handle the noise but after a few hours on me feet in the cold lanes I get miserable
12:14<ppc64>next dumb question ... I have an NVidia quadro card for this system and be damned if I can recall offhand the blacklist option to the vmlinuz kernel line of grub. Before first boot after install I can edit grub.cfg and stuff in blacklist=nouveau I think
12:16<ppc64>with red hat I think I need to do dracut and regen a new linux kernel image but I don't recall such silly things with debian
12:21<ppc64>er .. never mind ... I will try the Debian way : https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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12:30*ppc64 lost connection
12:30*ppc64 nope .. that works
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12:39<halvors>Hi! I'm trying to install Debian 9.5 on my computer with fakeraid. Installer works great when adding the "dmraid=true" flag to the kernel paramter of the installer. But when bootin into the newly installed system i'm dropped to initramfs promt (BusyBox).
12:40<halvors>Seems that the raid istelf is detected, but that initrd is unable to detect the partitions, debian is installed at partition 3 of the raid volume.
12:40<halvors>Anyone knows how to get this to work?
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12:46<blast007>what advantage are you getting from using fakeraid instead of Linux's software RAID?
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12:51<halvors>blast007: I know i know, well have to keep compability with other OS'es.
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12:52<halvors>blast007: I've been told that this is a common issue, but nobody seems to know how to fix it :(
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13:07<halvors>blast007: But anyway, do you know how to fix it?
13:10<blast007>halvors: had you followed these steps? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid
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13:30<arjunassault>hey,i left the root account password blank and now i nedd to login to my root account from loginscreen but the debian isn't allowing me to logon.anyone to describe how to do so?
13:31<halvors>blast007: I've tried that, but got stuck on step 10.
13:31<halvors>No "dm-" devices is showing up.
13:31<blast007>arjunassault: if you left it blank, you can log in as your regular user and use sudo to run commands as root or 'sudo -i' to get a root shell
13:31<blast007>halvors: dunno then. I've never used fakeraid.
13:32<halvors>blast007: But bootloader seems to install just fine. Problem is as said that initramfs somehow doesn't seem to be able to read the GPT partition table or something.
13:32<arjunassault>@blast007 hey,i left the root account password blank and now i nedd to login to my root account from loginscreen but the debian isn't allowing me to logon.anyone to describe how to do so?
13:33<blast007>halvors: are you using UEFI boot?
13:33<halvors>blast007: Yes.
13:33<blast007>arjunassault: did you read what I said?
13:33<blast007>arjunassault: or are you unable to log in as your regular user too?
13:34<arjunassault>no iam able but i need to enable the root account now as i have made password for root during installation?@blast007
13:35<blast007>arjunassault: you said you left it blank during the install.. now you're saying you made a password for root during the install?
13:36<arjunassault>no iam saying that equivalent to that ..i haven't made any password but i want it to be same like that even if i have left it blank
13:36<blast007>arjunassault: run 'sudo -i' and use your user password and it will dump you to a root shell
13:37<arjunassault>is it possible to enable the root account?? now
13:38<blast007>do what I said and then set a password with passwd, if you really want
13:38<SpeedyG>arjunassault: after you have logged in as your normal account, yes
13:38<blast007>but you don't need a root password to run things as root as sudo is activated for your first user
13:38<halvors>blast007: What about using UEFI boot?
13:38<arjunassault>yes i used passwd command and set the password but it gave me like something went wrong
13:39<blast007>halvors: I was just curious because it was mentioned in that wiki page
13:39<blast007>arjunassault: if you can't provide us any detail we can't really help you
13:39<halvors>blast007: Just that you needed to press "e" instead of TAB?
13:39<blast007>yeah
13:40<arjunassault>i also tried sudo passwd -u root but the root account wasn't enabled?? do i need a reboot after passwd or good to go with logout
13:40<blast007>halvors: did the install use 'e' instead of tab?
13:40<halvors>blast007: To alter the kernel paramter for the install to include "dmraid=true" yes.
13:42<blast007>arjunassault: how are you trying to log on? over SSH?
13:42<blast007>halvors: yeah, just wanted to make sure the installer was booted with UEFI as well
13:43<halvors>It did.
13:43<arjunassault>just typed the account name root and then typing the pasword
13:43<blast007>arjunassault: from a TTY or from Xorg?
13:44<arjunassault>from the not listed mode from logon screen@blast007 from xorg
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13:46<blast007>!running x as root
13:46<dpkg>somebody said running x as root was suicidal due to issues with external security exploits - and yes, they *do* happen in all variants of *n?x, Debian or otherwise - though the developers try to beat them down. Instead, log in as normal and either do 'su' or 'sudo'. Ask me about <root x> for alternatives.
13:47<arjunassault>i set the wireshark not available for superusers so i need to logon to root account inorder to use it!!
13:48<blast007>you can run the capture via sudo and inspect the capture with wireshark afterwards
13:48<arjunassault>how to do so??can u explain!!
13:48<blast007>see /usr/share/doc/wireshark-common/README.Debian
13:49<blast007>and 'man dumpcap'
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14:06*mnuhmnuh arjunassault should box up their computer and return it to where they bought it. "I'm too stupid to own a computer."
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18:15<ach>!hello
18:15<dpkg>Hi, ach!
18:15<ach>?
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18:16<petn-randall>dpkg: are you a bot?
18:16<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
18:17<ach>dpkg simple life?
18:17<dpkg>ach: I don't know, could you explain it?
18:21<petn-randall>ach: Do you have a Debian support question?
18:22<ach>i don't know is my ip 0.0.0.0?
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18:22<ach>serious noooo!
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18:27<mnuhmnuh>ach: try again; Do you have a Debian support question?
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18:27<ach>?
18:29*mnuhmnuh /ignore ach
18:29<ach>yes
18:30<Brigo>ach, then ask.
18:32<ach>their kernel support in debian for not kown anyhow the whole planet shit about meltdown and spectre never a true securety isssue can i have the money back lost cause that lie??? no ok forgive i just was about ok lets do sort out alone is me the only human?
18:32<ach>ok
18:34<Brigo>ach, how do you lost money?
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18:35<ach>i am forbidden do huge investment you know a lie that big?
18:35<ach>!ok
18:35<ach>!off
18:36<mnuhmnuh>!chat
18:36<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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18:41<petn-randall>ach: Are you using google translate to write in english? Because it's not working.
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18:55<Brigo>FYI, https://www.deepl.com/translator is way better.
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21:02<ach>KICK OFF KILL MY COMPUTER
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21:23<chelium>Is this a good place for help with troubleshooting audio drivers?
21:24<ppc64>can't hurt to ask
21:24<chelium>http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=957474c1c79899be4650ae879e4c59da63ea6fdd
21:25<chelium>Audio worked initially through my monitor, but not through my headphones. I've checked alsamixer and pavucontrol.
21:25<ppc64>hrmm .. that looks to be an ASUS Z370P mobo. Do you have BIOS setup to do audio via HDMI or AC97 or ?
21:26<ppc64>looks like you have a few audio devices there ..
21:26<chelium>Yeah it is an ASUS Z370P
21:26<chelium>uh not sure
21:26<ppc64>let me think .. I seem to recall a few config files to select the preferred audio device
21:26<chelium>I do have monitors with speakers hooked up to my graphics card via display port
21:27<ppc64>uh huh .. yes .. well that is a cause of confusion
21:27<chelium>+ Headphones + Microphone
21:27<ppc64>I see that NVIDIA Corporation GP104 High Definition Audio Controller
21:27<ppc64>so you have a fancy NVidia GPU of some sort
21:28<ppc64>this is where life gets complicated. So what drivers are you using for that? The Debian packages or the NVidia drivers ?
21:28<chelium>Nvidia drivers
21:28<chelium>I followed the steps for installing Nvidia drivers and blacklisting Nouveau
21:28<ppc64>yikes .. so you downloaded those, did the blacklist nouveau and such
21:28<ppc64>okay .. right ..
21:28<chelium>Yes
21:28<blast007>to be more clear, is it the nvidia drivers from the Debian repo, or from nvidia.com?
21:28<ppc64>pretty sure he says NVidia
21:29<blast007>well, both are nVidia drivers, which is why I want to confirm
21:29<ppc64>to be honest the NVidia drivers from the Debian repo have caused issues for me and I would go with the NVidia ones also
21:29<chelium>hmm I installed it via apt-get
21:30<blast007>that's the recommended way
21:30<ppc64>well then .. you are in the Debian world pure
21:30<blast007>are you just trying to change the output device?
21:30<ppc64>also it IS the recommended way however I am testing Buster Alpha 3 right now on that exact NVidia issue .. anyways .. lets get back to audio
21:31<chelium>sorta. I unplugged my headphones and plugged my headphones back in. The weird thing is that the audio bar is moving in pavucontrol when I play a video.
21:31<chelium>But I'm not hearing anything
21:31<ppc64>there is a place to look under /proc ... can't recall where .. get a list of the cards and then set a conf file to select it as preferred
21:31<ppc64>chelium: I have seen that EXACT behavior also
21:32<ppc64>be damned if I can recall how to fix it ... fairly certain I did climb into BIOS at some point
21:32<ppc64>I do NOT use the NVidia GPU for audio .. as that seems to be a religious blasphemy
21:32<chelium>Lol is this a known issue? I've tried googling various ways to fix audio issues and it's been a long journey for me lol
21:32<blast007>if you use Gnome, I use this extension to switch my output sources: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/906/sound-output-device-chooser/
21:33<blast007>output device*
21:34<blast007>does the monitor have a headphone jack?
21:34<ppc64>one sec ... I have an ASUS Z270P system with a NVidia GPU .. just going to have a look
21:35<chelium>I'm running XFCE rn and it does
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21:39<chelium>hmm
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21:44<chelium>It seems I can get the audio to play through my monitors. I can plug my headphones into my monitor to get sound, but it's less than ideal since the sound quality is much worse.
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22:03<dvs>chelium, and it isn't a mixer problem?
22:05<chelium>As far as I can tell? I checked alsamixer and my headphones are set to 100.
22:05<dvs>chelium, and it's not muted? (It says OO at the bottom and not MM)
22:07<chelium>yeah 00
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22:25<twb>As at Debian Stable, does anything actually *use* the pidfile that openssh-server creates?
22:26<twb>I'm experimenting with locking down all the systemd units (as the systemd manual recommends, but doesn't actually do).
22:27<twb>When I ProtectSystem=strict, sshd can't create /run/sshd.pid --- logically it should be something like /etc/sshd/sshd.pid, if it's created at all
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