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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-08-22

---Logopened Wed Aug 22 00:00:16 2018
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00:47<TristanBomb>You guys hear about Steam Proton? It's probably old news at this point but Valve's including a Vulkan-and-gaming-focused fork of WINE in Steam as a compatibility player to run Windows games on Linux. The dream may not be dead after all :P
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04:05<Human_G33k>Hello hello what is the good way to install grub on a raid 1 partition ?
04:05<Human_G33k>i make a /boot raid1 ext2 partition
04:06<Human_G33k>and a raid1 encrypt lvm / partition
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04:32<Human_G33k>someone can say me if https://askubuntu.com/questions/468466/diskfilter-writes-are-not-supported-what-triggers-this-error/468487 is maybe the solotion
04:32<Human_G33k>i try a command line grub-install with --force
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06:23<wizofe>doing a migration from jessie to stretch through an custom made updater. at one point, we let the updater 'self-upgrade' and then we add a new 'lists' file. the problem is that when logging in the 'new'/updated system and try to install a package, it won't find it (E:unable to locate package xxx). Is there any reason that '/var/lib/apt/lists' or '/var/cache/apt' gets cleaned after a 'dist-upgrade' or so? ta
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06:29<jm_>are the lists files actually gone?
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06:30<wizofe>I didn't check this manually but I couldn't get any new files with apt-get install.
06:30<jm_>!bat
06:30<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
06:32<wizofe>dpkg, thanks, I have to re-run the whole process, then I'll come back with all this info.
06:32<dpkg>no problem, wizofe
06:32<wizofe>ah bt ( :
06:32<petn-randall>wizofe: dpkg is a bot.
06:33<petn-randall>dpkg: are you a bot?
06:33<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
06:33<wizofe>Yes, got it :)
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06:53<Katnip>does anyone know if freedombox works on raspbian and the pi?
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06:56<petn-randall>Katnip: freedombox is a separate OS, so it won't work on top of raspbian, but replace it.
06:57<petn-randall>Katnip: And if you look at the download section of freedombox, you'll find images for RPi2.
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06:58<Katnip>hmmm ok ty
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07:32<mnuhmnuh>Katnip: https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox
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11:33<mnuhmnuh>what is ayatana? the wiki page on it explains nothing, nor does its launchpad home. is this some assisted tech. enabler thing (blind, deaf, mute, ...)?
11:43<olasd>no, it's not
11:44<olasd>it's a collection of projects to help applications provide a uniform presentation on the desktop
11:45<mnuhmnuh>olasd: thanks, that's a better description than i've found so far.
11:45<olasd>it's a paraphrase of the first sentence of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana
11:52<jelly>AIUI it's lots of bits created to make Unity more useful, renamed because Canonical decided unity was going away
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11:58<jelly>UI elements for Unity map closely to Atayana components, see https://askubuntu.com/questions/10228/whats-the-right-terminology-for-unitys-ui-elements/19166#19166 (linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity)
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13:29<Mewz>Ah well uhm. Hello.
13:31<petn-randall>hi Mewz.
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13:36<Mewz>I hate having to reach out for help with stuff, but I've exhausted my knowledge of options and searches, is there a specific place I should go for asking questions/getting help?
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13:42<sqrt{not}>Mewz: #debian-next is the place for help with Debian 10 "Buster" (testing) and "Sid" (unstable). If your question is about something else, we might be able to point you to somewhere else.
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13:42<Mewz>I'm curently on 9.5 (stretch), and trying to do dist-upgrade, but failing due to a specific driver.
13:44<sqrt{not}>Mewz: Are you trying to dist-upgrade to buster ? Can you be more specific about the driver ?
13:45<Mewz>Ah sorry, to be specific I was just running apt-get dist-upgrade beucase I knew there was a new version, and I was getting everything updated. The driver that's failing to update is mesa-va-drivers.
13:47<Mewz>it's trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/nouveau_drv_video.so', which is referenced in package vdpau-va-driver:i386 0.7.4-dmo5.
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13:47<sqrt{not}>Mewz: If you are trying to update stretch to newer stretch, you probably would do better asking in plain old #debian. If you're trying to advance to testing/buster here is the place to ask.
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13:48<Mewz>I was just updating to newer stretch, but this is #debian
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13:49<petn-randall>Yes, this is #debian and the right place to ask.
13:49<petn-randall>!bat
13:49<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
13:49<sqrt{not}>Mewz: ahh, you are right, I am the one who is lost
13:49<petn-randall>Mewz: Can you provide *all* of the above info in a single paste? ^^^
13:50<Mewz>Sure, will just take me a moment to get it
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13:54<Mewz>http://paste.debian.net/1038906/
13:54<Mewz>That should be everything
13:56<petn-randall>Mewz: It's because you have debian-multimedia.org packages installed. They broke your system.
13:56<petn-randall>!dmo
13:56<dpkg>We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>.
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13:56<petn-randall>!dmm remove
13:56<dpkg>If you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ...
13:56<petn-randall>Mewz: you might want to remove those packages with this command ^^^, and then continue with the update.
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13:57<Mewz>Got it. I wasn't aware of the deb-multimedia thing, and don't even remember why I have any packages from there.
13:57<petn-randall>Mewz: For some reason you have the dmo sources for wheezy, but you're running on stretch.
13:58<Mewz>I might have forgotten to remove sources.
13:58<petn-randall>Mewz: Also adding PPAs from Ubuntu can be dangerous, as those packages are built for Ubuntu and not Debian.
13:58<petn-randall>!ppa
13:58<dpkg>[ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>.
13:59<Mewz>the only ubuntu packages I should have are for java.
13:59<Mewz>But come to think of it, I don't need that anymore anyway, so I can remove that from my sources too.
14:02<petn-randall>Mewz: stretch-backports comes with openjdk-9, that might be new enough for your use case.
14:03<Mewz>Yeah I'm cleaning out my sources lists of stuff I don't need, and the deb-multimedia list before I get to fixing this fully.
14:04<Mewz>for some reason apt-get update is failing to contact any of my source servers?
14:09<Mewz>So after cleaning up lists, I'm unable to remove the offending package with apt, I just can't seem to find the right name?
14:14<Mewz>I removed the ppa for java, and I've removed all the other sources I didn't need includign the deb-multimedia ones, but I'm still unable to update, due to the same error. I'm not able to remove the offending package, with the same error? It's trying to install mesa to replace it.
14:15<petn-randall>Mewz: What error exactly? You can again use the paste site to show us.
14:18<Mewz>Well, I ran into a small issue. My SSH server stopped responding, I need a moment to find another keyboard to get it back up
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14:25<Mewz>I'm extremly confused as to why my device is no longer able to connect to the internet, and cinnamin also won't let me login to the GUI. I'm working out the network connection issue, but now my desktop is unaccesasble.
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14:28<mnuhmnuh>!frankendebian
14:28<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
14:29<Mewz>I uh. Well okay then.
14:29<Mewz>Thanks anyway.
14:30<Mewz>3 years with no issues untill a random update.
14:30*Mewz shrugs.
14:30<mnuhmnuh>dmo+ppa+nvidia == heartbreak.
14:31<Mewz>I mean, the only PPA was specifically java. DMO was something I don't rememver.
14:31<Mewz>ANd yeah, nvidia.
14:31<mnuhmnuh>any one of those three alone could have caused it.
14:31<Mewz>I should just remove the graphics card entirely, the new processer has a APU.
14:32<Mewz>So I'll be looking at replacing my system drive and reinstalling sense it's just broken now. (I'm mistified as to why my network driver was effected suddenly()
14:36<ach>it makes not any sense have a computer till the military trys to protect em
14:38<mnuhmnuh>ach: don't let your box do stupid !@#$, and computers are marvelous, joyful, helpful tools. don't enable crap you don't understand, and monitor logging.
14:40<Mewz>mnuhmnuh: To be honest, I was looking for an excuse to just start over with my debian install, I wanted to switch the system drive to an SSD for a long time now, and leave the storage to just my WD Red's. So I'm looking at this as a minor inconvenience, but a refreshing start tomorrow night when I install the new drive.
14:41<mnuhmnuh>Mewz: there's lots to be said for having a clean slate. besides, consider it an educational experience. :-)
14:41<jhutchins_wk>Mewz: There may have been conflicts between installed drivers and updated components that caused things like network to fail. You could study the logs - or just rebuild the system.
14:41<Mewz>jhutchains_wk: At this point it's going to be easier to just start fresh, I ordered a new SSD and I'm just going to start over when it arrives.
14:42<jhutchins_wk>Mewz: DMO probably didn't cause the problem with the nvidia driver, it's multimedia programs and libraries, so it usually doesn't break the whole system.
14:42<mnuhmnuh>not to mention, stretch is the best debian and linux i've ever used.
14:42<Mewz>jhutchins_wk: I've needed an excuse to do this for a while, it's convienient that this broke everything, LOL.
14:43<jhutchins_wk>I know how that works. Blew a capacitor on my video card and ended up with a very nice new system.
14:43<Mewz>mnuhmnuh: Yeah it's been working pretty bulletproof till now. A random conflict finally broke everything.
14:44<Mewz>I'm using it as a plex storehouse, and a cloud server for syncing between partners, so a day of being offline isn't a huge issue. It's mostly personal stuff.
14:44<Mewz>I didn't lose any data, and I can recover my profile from the old drive to get my batch scripts.
14:44<Mewz>Wait, is the home direrctory encrypted?
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14:53<mnuhmnuh>!reinstall
14:53<dpkg>reinstall is, like, aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>.
14:54<mnuhmnuh>not for you Mewz, just curious to see what it said.
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14:59<mnuhmnuh>jhutchins_wk: considering some nvidia stuff is now trying to do audio (badly) too, i wouldn't be surprised dmo could do really bad stuff to an otherwise working system.
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15:02<ach>it makes not any sense have a computer till the military trys to protect em
15:02*mnuhmnuh dept of redundancy dept.
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15:20<mnuhmnuh>maybe ach works for the military; trolling for converts ach?
15:21<Mewz>I'm just removing my nvidia card entirely when I start over
15:22<Mewz>Why bother with a terrible support base when I don't need it. my current CPU has an APU. I needed it previously beucase i had no display output.
15:22<Mewz>*To be specific, I'm saying Nvidia is a terrible support base.
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15:26<Mewz>I've had nothing but grief related to my nvidia display adaptor.
15:26<Mewz>(I refuse to call it a GPU, beucase it's so basic it can barely run quake)
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15:36<Mewz>Well I gotta be off. Thnksa for the help that was offered,
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16:56<rugshucker>Sometimes when I shutdown I get: stop job running for session 2 of user _____ It's not really that big of a deal. I'm just wondering why it says "session 2"
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17:04<jhutchins_wk>mnuhmnuh: Almost all of the stuff I've used from dmo has been user-layer stuff, not system-layer. There's a lot of FUD about dmo.
17:04<jhutchins_wk>I'm not saying there can't be problems, but mostly there aren't.
17:05<mnuhmnuh>jhutchins_wk: well, dmo's deprecated now officially, so ancient history.
17:07<jhutchins_wk>mnuhmnuh: It's still viable.
17:07<jhutchins_wk>mnuhmnuh: It was never official.
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17:09<mnuhmnuh>jhutchins_wk: tell that to dpkg.
17:09<mnuhmnuh>!dmo
17:09<dpkg>We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>.
17:09<rugshucker>I mean sometimes this shutdown process runs for a full 1 minute and 30 seconds, and I still don't know what "session 2" refers to.
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17:10<jhutchins_wk>mnuhmnuh: It's not essential to have a working Debian multimedia desktop like it used to be, but it still has builds with some useful alternative options enabled.
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17:13<drakonis>!why not dmm
17:13<dpkg>The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>.
17:13<drakonis>har har
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17:24<mnuhmnuh>the last time i was doing anything mm intensive, it was trying to help a bud off xp, and stock debian kernels were not good enough for jackd. i hadn't compiled a kernel in years at that point. didn't go over well.
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18:17<hummy>good evening gentlemen
18:18<jelly>and ladies. And all the nonbinaries.
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18:22<jelly>not here
18:22<rugshucker>So does anyone else get this message at shutdown? stop job running for session 2 of user _______ (0 seconds/ 1 minute 30 seconds)
18:23<Brigo>as i thought
18:25<Brigo>rugshucker, not me, but i use to hybrid-sleep
18:29<hummy>rugshucker, i don't think so
18:31<rugshucker>How do I check the output from the last shutdown in the terminal?
18:32<hummy>i'm having this really *really* annoying problem: mouse cursor keeps ruuning around to the edge of the screen
18:32<hummy>the rationale on windows is to disable intellipoint/trackpad on usb mouse connect
18:33<hummy>but on debian, i'm really annoyed by this
18:33<mnuhmnuh>rugshucker: journalctl -b
18:34<hummy>i checked the usb devices, but no luck, it seems that there is no dedicated device for it
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18:34<hummy>was aiming at disabling the trackpad thing all together
18:37<mnuhmnuh>rugshucker: sorry, that checks latest boot's msgs. journalctl -b -1 perhaps? man journalctl
18:38<mnuhmnuh>yes, -1
18:44<rugshucker>That's not really helping me. There is over 1000 lines of output, and I think the -l option also gives the boot messages not shutdown
18:45<hummy>rugshucker, you could go through /var/log/syslog
18:45<Brigo>rugshucker, it gives ou all the output from the boot to the shut donw.
18:45<Brigo>down*
18:45<Brigo>so go right to the end.
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18:50<rugshucker>I guess I will return to this later. Going to note what time I shutdown so I know what timestamp the shutdown messages should have
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18:58<mnuhmnuh>rugshucker: once in journalctl, type capital g ("G") to go to the end, then pg-up until you reach shutdown msgs.
18:58<sarnold>or search with / and ?
18:58<sarnold>at least if you're in the LESS pager..
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18:59<mnuhmnuh>and to read ends of long lines use the arrow keys.
19:00<rugshucker>I just read the log in gedit
19:00<rugshucker>that works too
19:00<mnuhmnuh>tmtowtdi. :-)
19:03<mnuhmnuh>i'm happy to see "dict tmtowtdi" works.
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19:04<rugshucker>Uh..What?
19:04<mnuhmnuh>There's More Than One Way To Do It.
19:04<mnuhmnuh>dict is a command line dictionary.
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19:06<rugshucker>Cool, well maybe I will check back tomorrow if I can figure out anything with /var/log/syslog
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19:10<Pretor1ab>hello
19:10<Pretor1ab>i have debian stretch installed and want to add better ssl protocols
19:10<Pretor1ab>not sure where to start
19:13<sarnold>this guide is popular https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Server_Side_TLS
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19:17<Pretor1ab>thank sarnold
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19:51<GummiWorm>Hello could someone help me with my fstab? Im looking to set it so the drive is writeable at log in
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19:53<GummiWorm>so far I have this in my options: auto defaults,uid=1000,rw 0 0
19:53<GummiWorm>any help is greatly appreciated
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