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01:06<twb>I'm trying to boot Debian Live on an old (Vista-era) HP desktop
01:06<twb>I get a kernel panic before fbcon loads, the actual error scrolls offscreen before I can read it
01:07<twb>But it looks from the part I can read like I need something like acpi_osi=!Windows8
01:07<twb>Anybody remember how do do this stuff?
01:07<twb>The marketing model name is "DT5800" and the part number is "AJ411AV".
01:08<twb>correction, DC5800
01:32<Brigo>twb, at the end of this link, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1772038, they say: Some people there say that upgrading the BIOS to version 1.6 fixes the problem, so may be worth a try.
01:34<Brigo>twb, about acpi_osi, you can add that variable in /etc/default/grub and then run update-grub
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01:39<twb>I did some more testing
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01:39<twb>comparing d-i images, daily i386, daily amd64, stable amd64 --- all OK.
01:40<twb>testing amd64 --- kernelpanic
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01:40<twb>"daily" appears to be 4.3.0 though
01:40<twb>stable is 4.9, testing is 4.16
01:41<twb>So it's probably just any "new enough" kernel
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01:46<marz_dgzmn>We're hosting for debian and debian-cd. For debian we're using the ftpsync as recommended. However, for debian-cd, should we rsync it manually?
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02:12<marz_dgzmn>How do we edit our tracefile since the rsync is running off from another host?
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02:16<twb>Brigo: FYI it's actually a BIOS bug, but 4.9 manages to continue well enough for nwipe to work, which is my actual goal :-)
02:16<twb>Saves me having to unscrew all the drives and hit them with a hammer
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03:03<Ramiv>Hello, I'm new Debian 9 strech stable user. After apt autoremove which was suggested by apt I restarted and no the computer hangs on startup.
03:03<Ramiv>I tried advanced recovery mode and it is stuck at the following step:
03:04<Ramiv>scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct Access ATA [DISKNAME] : 0 ANSI :
03:04<cc>autoremove doesn't usually cause this
03:04<cc>what were you doing *before* autoremove ?
03:06<Ramiv>Started computer, worked fine, installed Transmission (using apt-get) got the suggestion. Afterwards found that I have no internet access (I'm using cable connection) Thought that restart might solve it and got to this place. Now using my other laptop to talk here.
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03:10<pipedream>if you boot a live USB, you can mount the drive and look at /var/log/apt/history.log to see what was removed by autoremove
03:11<Ramiv>I'll use Live lubuntu I have and report my findings soon
03:13<Ramiv>I find there only things with start-date of April.
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03:19<Ramiv>maybe the internet connection was hung midway which caused all this problem.. Can I somehow connect (using recovery or live CD) and restore my system or do some checks on it?
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03:35<twb>grumble grumble still no systemd integration for dropbear and GNU SSH?
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03:56<Ramiv>update - I entered rescue mode using the installation CD and entered the shell. Did distro-upgrade and it changed nothing..
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04:39<mestia>since systemd, a nice hack with submitting init=/bin/bash as kernel param does't work, I actually get the shell started but no way to type anything in it, it seems it starts too early. Any hint how to get working shell this way?
04:41<petn-randall>mestia: if you run init=/bin/bash you're replacing the init system with bash, so I doubt systemd has any say in this.
04:42<petn-randall>!frp
04:42<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
04:42<petn-randall>mestia: Pretty sure this works, someone used it the other week. ^^^
04:45<mestia>well, on a freshly installed buster it doesn't, actually since system I tried it a couple of times and it never worked
04:45<mestia>let me bootstrap a vm and try :)
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04:54<petn-randall>mestia: Try it with init=/bin/sh, I think that makes a difference.
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05:23<mestia>petn-randall, confirm, works on stable, both with /bin/sh and /bin/bash, but not on my hardware machine, could it be something with not loading usb drivers on time ?
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05:32<petn-randall>mestia: If it's a USB keyboard, that can be an issue, yes.
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05:33<petn-randall>mestia: Usually it's enough if you enable "USB legacy devices" or something similar in your BIOS.
05:34<petn-randall>mestia: That's also what I thought, because systemd has been the default for two stable releases now.
05:34<petn-randall>and also if you override the init, your regular init doesn't even get started.
05:38<mestia>petn-randall: thanks, I'll check the BIOS usb support. Well this solution is useful in some cases, for the rest of rescue operations a bootable usb or cdrom is totally enough
05:39<Ramiv>Hello, I entered live CD and did a fsck of the partition. It did all the checking. seems OK
05:39<Ramiv>do you have other suggestions for hung system on startup?
05:40<blackroot>could be ram or cpu related
05:40<mestia>Ramiv: does it say where it hangs?
05:40<Ramiv>yes, if you enter recovery mode
05:40<Ramiv>I tried advanced recovery mode and it is stuck at the following step:
05:40<Ramiv>scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct Access ATA [DISKNAME] : 0 ANSI :
05:41<Ramiv>This happened after I did apt autoremove (which was suggested to me by apt)
05:41<petn-randall>Ramiv: Can you take a photo of the issue when you boot the system? Remove the 'quiet' option from the kernel command line in grub first.
05:41<Ramiv>should I enter in the regular mode in GRUB or use advanced options?
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05:44<Ramiv>how to upload a file here?
05:45<petn-randall>!paste
05:45<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
05:45<petn-randall>Ramiv: regular mode, just hit 'e' for edit, then remove the 'quiet' there. You can use http://picpaste.com/. ^^^
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05:56<Ramiv>petn-randall: http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd49/ramiv/crush_zpskwfctvhn.jpg
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06:15<petn-randall>Ramiv: Is this some special system or OS? I've never seen stuff about energy output of the HW.
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06:21<Blacker47>petn-randall, i saw this on testing on my old notebook and still don't know what it means - but only one such message on my site.
06:28<Ramiv>well this is a 2-3 years old PC
06:29<Ramiv>just today I used it well. It runs I5 and Nvidia graphic card with propritary drivers. When I log with Live CD it seems to work well. I dual boot with an old WIN 8.
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06:32<Ramiv>more info, that happens with 4.9.0-8-amd64 kernal. I'll now try again with the 4.9.0-7
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06:35<Ramiv>petn-randall: different error with 4.9.0.7: http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd49/ramiv/crush%204.9.0-7_zpsw6gnrly7.jpg
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06:44<peter1138>That isn't actually an error, just regular boot messages.
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07:01<Ramiv>ok, but where can I find the error? it is just stuck there.. I can load up the rescue with the debian install in rescue mode
07:01<Ramiv>and then check out some log files. If you guide me through
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08:26<bcmm>firefox esr 52 reaches EOL today. what's happening to Stretch's Firefox?
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08:30<FLD>bcmm: i thought it was 6th of October?
08:30<bcmm>FLD: is this outdated information? https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2018/01/11/announcing-esr60-policy-engine/
08:31<bcmm>actually looks like 5th of September on this page, although it's a bit ambiguous imho https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/
08:32<FLD>oh yeah, that's the one i was remembering
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08:33<bcmm>mozilla could be a bit clearer, really - i feel like the #1 thing somebody using or deploying an ESR release wants to know is when ES ends...
08:34<bcmm>so will the debian version get upgraded on EOL day or what?
08:36<themill>next time a CVE requires it, most likely
08:38<FLD>we've had big version jumps in the chromium browser due to CVE's in the past, so yeah
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08:46<FLD>but building the latest FF on stretch is apparently going to require some backporting of rust.. https://mozilla.debian.net/
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09:01<FLD>oh, looks like stretch already has rust support: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=rust
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09:09<Ramiv>peter1138: I posted in Debian support forums. Hopefully I will find there. Do you have other suggestions ?
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12:08<Ramiv> If anyone interested, Here is a post about my problem of apt autoremove crashed my system and how I reverted it. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=138443&p=679826#p679826
12:08<Ramiv>thanks and goodbye
12:08<Ramiv>quit
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12:51<mnuhmnuh>fyi, slackware64-live-mate-current.iso runs mate 1.20.3, the same ver. i'm running from stretch-backports. no, stable doesn't run crufty, out of date software.
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14:37<thorsten>how can I file bugs of the debian (graphical) installer?
14:37<rudi_s>thorsten: debian-installer "package"
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14:42<thorsten>rudi_s: thanks!
14:42<thorsten>(and yes, it's the issue from a week ago)
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14:44<rudi_s>np ;-)
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17:26<Synthea>Do rules written by tc apply after reboot?
17:27<Synthea>Or is it like iptables, you need a file to write down rules?
17:30<Brigo>Synthea, not just on reboot, but even if you bring the interface down
17:30<Synthea>So what you need to set it permanently? (Otherwise than using bash scripts)
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17:34<Brigo>Synthea, i do it in /etc/network/interfaces configuration
17:34<Brigo>Synthea, i am using wondeshaper
17:35<Synthea>Brigo, is it better than tc?
17:35<Brigo>is a wrapper, it uses tc
17:35<Brigo>it's easier of configuring
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21:12<twb>A change landed in xpdf sometime after wheezy, and it's driving me nuts
21:12<twb>in xpdf -fullscreen, arrow keys used to move around the page (assuming you'd zoomed in)
21:12<twb>now, it jumps to the next page
21:13<twb>So when I do "xpdf -fullscreen -rv foo.pdf" and then hit "w" to get full page width, I can still hit SPC or PgDn to look at the next screenful --- but if there's a line of text half on the first screenful (and half on the second screenful), there's no way AFAICT to see that line all at once
21:14<twb>has anybody fought xpdf keybindings before? IIRC they're done in a horrible way via X resources
21:16<twb>The xpdf *manpage* actually continues to document the old behaviour --- bind down any scrollDown(16)
21:18<twb>ARGH, this is a Debian-specific patch
21:18<twb>I can see it in debian/xpdfrc
21:18<twb>At least that means it's probably easy to undo
21:20<twb>Fixed! Hooray, I expected that to be much more painful
21:20<mnuhmnuh>twb: how stuck on xpdf are you? there's atril (in mate) for instance.
21:20<twb>mnuhmnuh: xpdf is faster
21:21<twb>Although these days I don't use that particular PDF that's really slow to render --- the main draw for me now is -fullscreen and -rv
21:21<annadane>(how do you know when disabling a patch is a good idea)
21:21<annadane>i guess yours is a fairly minimal intervention
21:21<twb>annadane: if it pisses you off, it's a good reason to remove it :-)
21:21<annadane>yeah fair
21:21<twb>annadane: but in this case it's a debian patch to like /etc/xpdfrc so I just undo it in ~/.xpdfrc
21:22<twb>mnuhmnuh: xpdf -rv lets me have white-on-black text in PDFs, but still see embedded JPEGs non-reversed. This is pretty much ideal for me
21:22<mnuhmnuh>yeah, that'd be nice.
21:22<twb>mnuhmnuh: I don't think the poppler-based ones do that --- they expect if you want white-on-black that you should use compton to reverse the entire window's video
21:23<twb>(FSVO compton = compton, or a crappy non-tiling WM that happens to be a compositing manager as well.)
21:28<twb>http://cyber.com.au/~twb/tmp/tmp.jpg screenshot of my current desktop, demoing two PDF readers side-by-side, same document in both
21:30<sarnold>nice
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21:36<twb>Also obviously that's actually https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture with user CSS
21:38<annadane>https://www.xkcd.com/446/
21:39<twb>I don't understand why that's relevant
21:40<annadane>because it is, but never mind then, just ignore it
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22:01<mnuhmnuh>there's a bit of irony in an electronically networked world accesible encyclopedia explaining the concept which is wood. no need to bring up papyrus or rice paper or many other related concepts.
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22:49<sqrt{not}>Will our new robot overl\\\\\ assistants understand when we want to knock on wood ?
22:58<mnuhmnuh>sqrt{not}: there's prob. a perl module that can do it for you.
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23:29<twb>AI doesn't run perl
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23:44<mnuhmnuh>then it's not intelligent.
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23:45<twb>It was Lisp in autumn and Python in spring.
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