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02:12<chele>is there technical details about snapshot service? I would like to look at the idea as i want to build an apt repo with multiple package versions...
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02:43<itd>chele: https://salsa.debian.org/snapshot-team/snapshot or something else? :)
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02:58<chele>itd i'll check it out. thanks.
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03:27<mestia>Hm, after creating an new lxc, can't lxc-console to it, don't get a prompt, is it a known issue in buster? as a workaround use ssh to reach the container
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03:36<mestia>in contrast ubutnu template works, i.e. lxc-console get's login prompt, so I guess debian template is screwedup
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04:13<mestia>well, just filled #907615
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04:22<at0m>dpkg: tell mestia about testing
04:28<mestia>at0m: fixing bugs in stable are way more complicated than in sid/testing isn't ?
04:30<at0m>mestia: no, your testing problem is off-topic here.
04:31<mestia>at0m: ok
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08:10<metallic>Hello, is anyone else getting a message of "forbidden, you are not allowed to access this" when connecting to https://wiki.debian.org ?
08:10<metallic>this is happening to me from yesterday evening
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08:11<metallic>I just want to know if it's just me
08:13<peter1138>Works for me.
08:15<metallic>mmm... weird, so it's only me somehow... Thanks for checking :)
08:16<itd>#885433
08:16<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/885433 in wiki.debian.org (open): «wiki.debian.org: Access to wiki.debian.org is blocked with 403 Forbidden»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-12-27; last modified: 2018-07-05.
08:18<itd>also https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754920#20
08:18<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/754920 in wiki.debian.org (closed): «wiki.debian.org: Access to wiki.debian.org is blocked with 403 Forbidden»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-07-16; last modified: 2016-11-20.
08:21<metallic>judd: are you hinting I shall send an e-mail to that list?
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08:26<itd>metallic: Either that or you could ask in #debian-www
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10:20<desperate>Quick question to you all: my company "found" a old linux server (debian lenny) with a monitoring service (centreon). Now they want that old "thing" to be converted to a new server. Just to do so i need to update/upgrade the old server to the same version as the new one. But the only thing i get on update is: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/lenny/dists/volatile/main/binary-i386/Packages: No such file or directory. I know this is long en
10:20<desperate>tho maybe theres a way to fix it?
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10:24<itd>dpkg: snapshot
10:24<dpkg>http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
10:25<desperate>allright let me try that out! thanks so much!!
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10:53<lomig>Hi, I'm trying to add extra files to simple-cdd image but it seems I have a trouble with the simple_cdd_dir env var, any idea on how it resolves ?
10:55<lomig>For now I'm stuck using absolute paths :/
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12:35<pgimeno>Quite some programs that had menu entries in Wheezy, are missing them in Stretch - any idea why?
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12:40<pgimeno>menu entries, as in entries in /usr/share/menu/
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12:54<pgimeno>missing, as in the packages no longer include them - has there been a change of policy or something, that may cause them to be missing?
13:02<mnuhmnuh>pgimeno: have you read /usr/share/menu/README? it mentions other places they may be found.
13:11<pgimeno>mnuhmnuh: I mean, dpkg -L <package> showed /usr/share/menu/<package> in wheezy, and no longer does in stretch
13:14<pgimeno>and of course the menu entry doesn't appear
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13:29<itd>#741573
13:29<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/741573 in tech-ctte (closed): «On menu systems.»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-03-14; last modified: 2015-12-26.
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13:41<pgimeno>thanks itd, so I take it as a step towards migrating to .desktop files, right?
13:43<itd>pgimeno: yes
13:44<pgimeno>unfortunately, WindowMaker doesn't seem to understand .desktop files, so I can't use those with it :(
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13:57<mnuhmnuh>that readme mentions /usr/share/menu/default, which doesn't exist.
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14:01<pgimeno>right mnuhmnuh, but that may be because no one installs anything there anymore
14:01<pgimeno>it may also be obsolete
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14:05<pgimeno>hm, maybe Debian can adopt this program? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xdg-menu
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14:09<mnuhmnuh>aptitude search menu-xdg
14:17<pgimeno>mnuhmnuh: thanks, it's not clear to me from the description but it seems to go the opposite way to the one I need
14:17<mnuhmnuh>xdg-menu at least mentions it supports windowmaker.
14:17<sarnold>heh one of the features that really attracted me to debian in 1998 or so was the automatically generated root menus for various window managers
14:19<annadane>oh which leads me to ask, what's a good root terminal
14:19<mnuhmnuh>su -
14:19<annadane>i don't suppose leaving it open all day is a bad thing if i'm the only user and i don't do stupid things with it, it's not in itself a security problem
14:19<annadane>no, but actual root terminal
14:21<mnuhmnuh>until recently, i used xterms (uxterm for irssi). now, mate-terminal w tabs, one of which is su -
14:21<annadane>i guess i'd rather just su anyway to avoid the temptation
14:24<mnuhmnuh>and mine's always running xscreensaver which autolocks. of course, anyone getting physical access means no security for me. re-boot w usb key, it's all theirs.
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14:40<mnuhmnuh>i am not yet wedded to mate-terminal. it's okay, but i think i prefer xterm's looks, and i don't need file edit view ... menu
14:42<mnuhmnuh>nor do i see any reason why a term prog. should be web enabled (offering highlighted web links). dumb.
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15:24<lomig>Hi, does using multiple profiles in preseed allows to merge preseed files ?
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15:33<pgimeno>well, I've "solved" my issue by downloading https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/any/archlinux-xdg-menu/ as suggested in some webs, but as it turns out, many programs have wrong .desktop entries, with the result that the menus are a chaos... I'm tempted to submit a bug report
15:35<pgimeno>thanks itd and mnuhmnuh
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15:53<mnuhmnuh>pgimeno: the word chaos seems to come up every time i see anyone mention xdg. :-|
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19:30<Synthea>There is a package with the mantissa java lib?
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19:39<mnuhmnuh>not in stable according to aptitude search. fp-docs-3.0.0, fp-docs-3.0.4, python-epsilon, and scheme9 mention mantissa (apt-file search).
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22:48<mnuhmnuh>in case anyone's interested, i added (in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf) 'Option "LeftHanded" "on"', and it works; no more xmodmap needed. mate's gui mouse config thingy still says it's right handed.
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22:50<mnuhmnuh>using 40-libinput.conf feels like squashing a fly with a sledgehammer, as opposed to xmodmap "pointer = ..."
22:53<mnuhmnuh>the former would affect all users on multi-user box. xmodmap can be used by lefties sans root access.
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23:40<mnuhmnuh>so, wtf was xorg thinking implementing that option? anyone know of any systems being used exclusively, or even mostly, by lefties? corps that eschew righties? that'd be illegal, i think.
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23:52<drakonis>mnuhmnuh, wut?
23:58<mnuhmnuh>in case anyone's interested, i added (in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf) 'Option "LeftHanded" "on"', and it works; no more xmodmap needed. mate's gui mouse config thingy still says it's right handed.
23:59<mnuhmnuh>not a prob. filling quiet time.
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