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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-09-01

---Logopened Sat Sep 01 00:00:30 2018
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00:53<Lord_Aragorn> /msg dpkg stretch
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01:26<LeLutin>I'm having a weird bug on desktops at the office.. their /home is mounted via NFS and there is another nfs mount also from another file server. when we boot the computer from a powered off state, systemd blocks on mounting the nfs shares and times out and fails to mount them (both shares from the two different servers)
01:26<LeLutin>after boot is finished, if I ssh in as root and do "mount -a" .. magic! the nfs mounts get put into place and everything works.
01:27<LeLutin>and the weirdest is that after boot, if we reboot the computer, then on the second boot systemd is able to mount both NFS shares and things are working :|
01:28<LeLutin>I have no idea what could be happening during the first boot from offline state
01:28<LeLutin>(of course the desktops are running stretch -- both nfs servers are also running stretch)
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03:20<LeLutin>I ended up finding information about the randomly faulty nfs mount at boot : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=860264
03:20<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/860264 in nfs-kernel-server (open): «nfs-kernel-server: NFS starts before DNS works, "exportfs: Failed to resolve ..."»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-04-13; last modified: 2017-04-17.
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11:31<juri_>I don't suppose anyone here knows how to reach the user 'cerror'?
11:36<coruja>oftc user?
11:39<juri_>yepyep.
11:39<juri_>last seen in this channel.
11:39<at0m>juri_: you can always /memoserv another user, if the user is registered
11:40<at0m>then that user will get notified of the memo upon next login
11:40<at0m>for more on that, /msg memoserv help
11:40<coruja>nickserv provides an email adress too
11:41<at0m>if the user doesnt choose to hide it, like me
11:41<at0m>juri_: /msg nickserv info $user
11:41<coruja>he/she doesn't
11:41<at0m>cool
11:42<coruja>probably he
11:43<coruja>juri_, btw, for anything related to irc channel/user and services you may ask in #oftc too
11:45<juri_>thank you both.
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11:47<mnuhmnuh>it doesn't appear "memoserv help" nor "help memoserv" work.
11:48<themill>there's no memoserv on this network (freenode has one)
11:48<debianuser_>Hello, I'm trying to install debian on that computer with efi, but when I reboot no bootable media seems to be found. I tried with and without uing lvm, reinstalled grub in rescue mode and such, but no luck. Also, the EFI partition was created by the installer, and mounted as requested by the rescue tool.
11:49<debianuser_>Any idea what could go wrong ?
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12:05<mnuhmnuh>https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI
12:06<annadane>does that help though?
12:06<at0m>oh, my bad on the memoserv. thanks for hilighting that.
12:06<annadane>if there's a relevant entry in the wiki then paste it here but otherwise you're asking them to just scroll through a page which may or may not have anything to help their problem
12:07<annadane>better just wait until someone who knows some specifics shows up and answers
12:08<mnuhmnuh>last time i tried to help w it, i suggested just disabling it. someone else disputed that, thought it was not entirely un-useful. i don't have it, don't much care, will disable it when i need to care.
12:09<annadane>i don't know anything about the various modes. generally the tier 1 help desk support answer (which i've tried to stop doing as it's similarly not helpful) is to ask how they prepared the image
12:09<mnuhmnuh>that page has an index at the top, one of the entries is troubleshooting boot problems.
12:09<annadane>because if it's rufus, unetbootin et al, it leads to problems
12:09<annadane>well, fair enough then
12:13<mnuhmnuh>only helldesk exp. i got was short time at wireless isp, and i suck at it. no surprise there.
12:13<annadane>anyway, sorry. you're right.
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12:17<mnuhmnuh>i think pointing people blindly at the wiki is a good way to make it better. the more who see it and see its potential, the more will be moved to contribute (content, fixes, updates, ...).
12:18<debianuser_>You're right, I should have read that wiki page more carefully, it seems I could be using a buggy firmware implementation
12:19<mnuhmnuh>shazaaam! :-)
12:20<mnuhmnuh>glad it helped.
12:20<debianuser_>I actully thought the wiki page was outdated due to the "1. UEFI support in live images" point under "12. Missing Features"
12:20<debianuser_>well, i still have to try ;p
12:22<debianuser_>But iirc I was able to install and boot ubuntu on that computer, so at first I thought it was due to debian. But now let's see if the hints there will save me =)
12:23<debianuser_>thanks anyway
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12:26<annadane>also screw the "debian wiki sucks" crowd
12:29<mnuhmnuh>ditto, though small bits of it may, as with all things.
12:30<mnuhmnuh>not everyone can write documentation. not everyone's suitable for helldesk. ad infinitum.
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12:36<mnuhmnuh>wouldn't it be nice if "/msg dpkg uefi" mentioned the wiki instead of http://www.uefi.org/ ?!? how's that help a debian user?
12:37<annadane>you can edit factoids yourself
12:37<annadane>!uefi
12:37<dpkg>Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. http://www.uefi.org/
12:37<debianuser_>heh, no luck. I copied \efi\debian\grubx64.efi file to \efi\Microsoft\boot\bootmgfw.efi as suggested here <https://wiki.osdev.org/Broken_UEFI_implementations#Piles_and_piles_of_Acer_hardware> ; but now the system seems to freeze on boot (the disk now shows in the bios, tho; which wasn't the case prior this change)
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12:38<annadane>dpkg, no, uefi is <reply> Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI
12:38<dpkg>okay, annadane
12:38<annadane>and i agree, website is useless
12:40<mnuhmnuh>wow! awesome.
12:41<annadane>so either the wiki is wrong or there's some kind of rare situation
12:42<annadane>generally though, there's bound to be people who know the answer to efi questions and it's good to let them weigh in (which they can't really now without scrolling back)
12:43<mnuhmnuh>and, they're only on-line during the week, using employer's connection. v. quiet on the net weekends.
12:44<annadane>my personal impression is when i stop weighing in with half answers then people tend to show up and answer it successfully
12:45<annadane>there's definitely crickets on both debian channels though unfortunately
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12:47<mnuhmnuh>for me, when i start weighing in w half-assed answers, those in the know weigh in w corrections. :-)
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12:48<mnuhmnuh>which is nice.
12:49<debianuser_>no worries guys, thanks for making me read the wiki page again. It didn't solve the issue but something happened :)
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12:49<annadane>no, that's the thing. even getting the conversation started is nice
12:49<debianuser_>i'm just going to confirm ubuntu boots on that system, the try to see the magic involved behind that
12:49<mnuhmnuh>keep bangin' your head on it. it'll fall over eventually.
12:49<debianuser_>*then try
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12:50<debianuser_>then backup the \EFI\ thing, and reinstall debian :P
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12:51<debianuser_>(or maybe you *know* that's not portable because ... ubuntu ?)
12:51<mnuhmnuh>may be little more than a grub boot param.
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13:12<lomig>Hi, anyone knows how to pipe a value to expr ?
13:15<mnuhmnuh>echo? depends what you're doing; lots of ways.
13:16<mnuhmnuh>cat >> file << otherfile
13:18<lomig>mnuhmnuh: in fact I think I must put the result in a var and use it in expr
13:19<lomig>cause I cannot find a way to get the stdin actually
13:24<mnuhmnuh>have you read the expr manpage? it's loaded with ways to use it.
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13:34<debianuser_>hmpf hmpf, no luck with ubuntu either
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13:37<mnuhmnuh>do you need efi/uefi? boot sector virus protection? if you don't care about that (i don't), disable it in bios.
13:39<debianuser_>that @#*% bios isn't allowing that (no option), I was only able to disable secure boot
13:40<debianuser_>which causes error if it is enabled
13:41<debianuser_>acer disapoints me a lot, right now. It seems I'm only able to run win10 on that machine
13:44<mnuhmnuh>define "causes error".
13:46<debianuser_>there's a security error, I don't recall the message exactly.
13:46<debianuser_>if it's enabled, i can't boot this live usb
13:46<mnuhmnuh>do you need win on that box?
13:46<debianuser_>nope
13:47<debianuser_>i don't have windows installed on that disk
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13:48<mnuhmnuh>maybe that error is uefi screaming insecure boot!?!?!!! which you now want it to stop doing! just carry on, ignore "error".
13:48<debianuser_>the 1TB one I got with that laptop failed me, it was "cliketing" (if that's even a word), and then wasn't recognized anymore :/
13:48<mnuhmnuh>not an error.
13:49<mnuhmnuh>hardware. pthoo.
13:49<debianuser_>mh, i've no option to ignore/skip that step. But i'm not sure I hit enter when i got this message
13:50<debianuser_>lemme reboot and try that (sorry for the join/quit flood btw =))
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13:51<mnuhmnuh>lots of mfgrs hide boot options, should be a way to boot it uefi disabled.
13:51<mnuhmnuh>meh.
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14:32<mnuhmnuh>lomig: btw, are you sure you need expr? sh/bash itself can do a lot of expr-ish stuff all by itself.
14:35<mnuhmnuh>echo "$((12+5))"
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18:11<mnuhmnuh>on the wiki, apparmor/howtouse, "Enable the AppArmor LSM:". what's LSM?
18:12<mnuhmnuh>linux security models; tx dpkg.
18:13<mnuhmnuh>s/models/modules/
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18:17<sp[am]4uk>Всем привет, есть Русские ? :)
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18:19<sp[am]4uk>hay
18:19<petn-randall>!ru
18:19<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
18:20<sp[am]4uk>понял :)
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21:16<dpkg>hmm... fu is _____
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21:39<mnuhmnuh>dpkg, no, fu is <reply> hmm ... you're trying to be naughty, but that's okay. just stop. it's silly.
21:39<dpkg>mnuhmnuh: okay
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21:44<mnuhmnuh>dpkg, no, fu is <reply> Hmm ... you're trying to be naughty, but that's okay. Just stop. It's silly.
21:44<dpkg>okay, mnuhmnuh
21:46*mnuhmnuh the power! mwah, ha, haaa!
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