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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-09-02

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04:16<ach>https://www.dropbox.com/s/60g5rgic6ir20ft/Bildschirmfoto%20zu%202018-09-02%2010-14-49.png?dl=0
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04:36<at0m>ach: and the purpose of you posting dropbox screenshots here is?
04:37<ach>i know the moment
04:37<ach>i know by the moment?
04:38<at0m>!german
04:38<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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05:07<ach>!o
05:07<dpkg>o is, like, OH!
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08:35<dragon12>and output from systemctl status nginx -> http://paste.asie.pl/LwYm
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11:36<sahar69>i use 4.17.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 on stretch, the boot time is longer then before, is it normal?
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11:40<Brigo>sahar69, 1 second?
11:43<sahar69>i'm not sure Brigo, maybe about 30 second
11:45<mnuhmnuh>sahar69: i wonder if it's new intel microcode related.
11:45<sahar69>but i get stable hard drive and cpu temperature, when use 4.14 or 4.9, the temperature is about 75, now with 4.17 i get 52 to 58
11:46<sahar69>what its mean mnuhmnuh?
11:48<mnuhmnuh>sahar69: means you might do batter rolling your own kernel sans a lot of cruft that your box needn't concern itself with. perhaps. stock kernel tries to fit all possible use cases. custom needn't.
11:51<mnuhmnuh>sahar69: sorry, i misread that. lower temp is great. don't know why boot time's longer.
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11:54<sakax>quick question re. fstab mount options
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11:54<sahar69>ok mnuhmnuh, i'll think bout that, i wouldn't delete old kernels and do rollback to the best kernwl version,
11:55<sahar69>thanks
11:55<sakax>what's the order of the mount options separated by commas?
11:55<sakax>if I want to override something from defaults, do I put it after defaults or before?
11:56<sakax>I think it starts reading from left to right, so if next option contradicts something of first defaults option, it takes second into account, right?
11:56<mnuhmnuh>sahar69: i'm still on 4.16 from bpo. good enough for me so far. yes, do keep old kernel(s) around for fail-safe.
11:57<mnuhmnuh>sakax: man fstab?
11:57<sakax>couldnt easily find conclusive answer
11:58<mnuhmnuh>first example says "defaults, ...
11:58<mnuhmnuh>man 5 fstab (file formats).
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12:06<mnuhmnuh>that also points to mount manpage to explain the mount options.
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12:55<annadane>what's a good way to get python 3.7 in debian such that you can do coding with it?
12:56<annadane>i know there's virtualenv...
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13:13<mnuhmnuh>backport it?
13:19<mnuhmnuh>,v python3.7
13:19<judd>Package: python3.7 on amd64 -- buster: 3.7.0-1; sid: 3.7.0-6
13:20<mnuhmnuh>apt-get install -t testing ...
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13:26<Xylon>Hi
13:26<Xylon>I'm curious what happens when Firefox 52 goes EOL?
13:29<mnuhmnuh>52 + 1?
13:30<mnuhmnuh>,v firefox-esr
13:30<judd>Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 60.1.0esr-3
13:33<BCMM>not 52+1, because most firefox versions don't have a corresponding ESR version
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13:41<mnuhmnuh>52.8 -> 52.9 -> 60.1 (stretch-proposed-updates, stretch-security & buster, sid).
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13:46<mnuhmnuh>BCMM: i'm possibly the last person you (anyone) should listen to re the web. it's a sewer.
13:47<mnuhmnuh>you _can_ do neat things with it, but that's seldom the case.
13:48<mnuhmnuh>imho.
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13:56<mnuhmnuh>i'm reading kernel-handbook 4.2.1 Preparation, did "apt-get build-dep linux" and it reports Selected version '4.9.110-3+deb9u4'. how to make it use 4.16 source (also installed)?
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14:03<mnuhmnuh>and why's there no linux-kbuild-4.16 available? hrm, maybe i should read kernel-handbook a little deeper.
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14:46<mnuhmnuh>not helping; just gets more confusing. "apt-get source linux" then "cd linux-$version". where's that?!? "locate linux-source" finds /usr/src, ah ha! needs re-write. my mom ought to be able to do this.
14:46<mnuhmnuh>grumble, mumble.
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14:56<kenyon>mnuhmnuh: are you trying to compile a kernel? https://wiki.debian.org/BuildADebianKernelPackage
14:56<kenyon>basically make deb-pkg
14:57<kenyon>https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-building
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15:02<mnuhmnuh>kenyon: trying to learn (again) how. i did it often long ago, but lots has changed.
15:03<kenyon>mnuhmnuh: yeah, it's pretty simple now.
15:03<mnuhmnuh>i'll check that out, tx.
15:03<kenyon>the vanilla kernel sources have the make deb-pkg target
15:05<mnuhmnuh>don't yet even know if that target does the config step, which is really what i want to fiddle with.
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15:08<mnuhmnuh>i'd like to build an utterly minimal, for my system, kernel. everything not needed/used here de-selected, or in modules (which i needn't load).
15:09<mnuhmnuh>been a long time sinc i've done it.
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15:15<kenyon>mnuhmnuh: anything not needed won't be used anyway, so kind of pointless imo
15:16<mnuhmnuh>kenyon: btw, https://wiki.debian.org/BuildADebianKernelPackage is obsolete. i tried using that and failed miserably.
15:16<kenyon>mnuhmnuh: yeah that's why I linked to kernel-handbook
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18:13<tidux>Are the kernels in Stretch arm64 built with KVM support?
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18:14<tidux>I see in /boot/config-$(uname -r) that it's KVM=y but normally on x86 it's a separate module
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19:11<tidux>hmm, looks like it works
19:11<tidux>does Debian arm64 support installing in Xen dom0?
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