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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-09-04

---Logopened Tue Sep 04 00:00:35 2018
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04:47<SlessScndrl>Hi debian. Testing a Raspberry Pi 3 B+. Operating off a 10000mAH battery with WiFi. HDMI output to a powered monitor. Wish me luck.
04:52<mnuhmnuh>dpkg: pi
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05:31<Tnix>Hi all. I need some help to make a persistent Debian testing live USB to test hardware drivers before install it in my machine but I follow serveral guides and I'm unable to get it work. These guides are referred to live USB with stable Debian release, but with testing I've been unable to work.
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05:32<petn-randall>Tnix: simplest way is to just install to the USB drive, you'll need a 2nd one to boot from, though.
05:32<petn-randall>(or a CD-ROM, DVD, or whatever other way you want to boot the installer)
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05:36<Tnix>First I followed the next guide: https://www.linux.com/blog/creating-debian-live-usb-flash-drive-persistence-non-techies There are similar guides in internet, but when you're going to create the 2nd partition for persistence there are only one full partition of ISO type so I cannot add another one.
05:36<Tnix>I think these kind of guides are based on stable releases ... I don't know
05:37<Tnix>Later I installed directly in the USB pendrive as you said but I cannot boot it.
05:38<Tnix>Maybe I have to boot with DVD or whatever media before ...
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05:38<petn-randall>Tnix: So you booted which installer from USB stick #1, and installed on USB stick #2?
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05:38<lomig>Hi, is there a way to chroot to a debian live usb ?
05:39<petn-randall>lomig: You can mount the ISO, mount the partition, and then chroot into it, I guess.
05:39<Tnix>petn-randall- Yes but in fact I made the USB via virtual machine to boot later on a real machine.
05:39<Cerebral>Hello.Would Debian Buster work good on QubesOS?
05:40<lomig>petn-randall: I guessed too, but cannot find a shell
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05:54<minikdo>Hi, Debian 9.5. User cannot list homedir. ls blocks terminal. Root can do that. It shows one of the subdirs is d??? ? ? ? ?
05:55<peter1138>minikdo, some fuse mounted filesystem?
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05:56<minikdo>peter1138: yup
05:57<minikdo>sshfs
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08:45<iXavik>exit
08:45<iXavik>logout
08:45<iXavik>e
08:45<iXavik>
08:45<Blacker47>iXavik, use /exit
08:45<iXavik>)))
08:45<iXavik>sorry
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10:03<SlessScndrl>I've been testing a Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ on a 10000 mAH battery connected to wifi - it has been 5 and a half hours, no drops
10:03<SlessScndrl>running Raspbian
10:03<SlessScndrl>woo
10:04<peter1138>Ok.
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10:05<SlessScndrl>just general info for the room. sorry to bother
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10:09<petn-randall>SlessScndrl: You might want to join #raspbian or #raspberrypi on freenode, they're up for those things, and it's also more on-topic there.
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10:10<SlessScndrl>I'll do that in the future. I'll keep silent in here.
10:10<SlessScndrl>apologies
10:11<petn-randall>SlessScndrl: No worries, and have fun! :)
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11:17<mnuhmnuh>SlessScndrl: besides, a little noise? it's not like you're shouting down many desperate cries for help. i feel for the ops having to worry about abuse, but hey look at me, so what.
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11:22<iXavik>hi all
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11:25<mnuhmnuh>SlessScndrl: https://wiki.debian.org/CheapServerBoxHardware then search for "Unsuitable" - "Raspberry Pi boards might become usable if alternative firmware works and gets packaged for Debian."
11:27<SlessScndrl>I am using the Raspian distribution which I know is based off of Debian but the ARM processor is probably different than what standard Debian supports
11:27<mnuhmnuh>there appear far better choices listed on that page. i've never been there myself. always wanted to play with openbsd's pf on a couple of sokris boxes, but never got there.
11:28<SlessScndrl>I'm just impressed with the devices' ability to run on batteries for so long. With wifi going. If this was the 90s and I had a game boy I'd have to change my AA's right now
11:28<SlessScndrl>but this is off topic, and I promised I'd be quiet. So I'll not muddle up the chat
11:29<SlessScndrl>((plus I am switching my keyboard between machines, lol))
11:32<pnbo>is anyone working on removing censorship from https://wiki.debian.org/?
11:34<petn-randall>pnbo: What do you mean with that?
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11:37<pnbo>I mean the wiki is not accessible from 3rd world countries
11:37<pnbo>I get "Forbidden <p>You are not allowed to access this!</p>"
11:37<SlessScndrl>I can confirm in Afghanistan using a local ISP, I can reach the wiki
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11:38<mnuhmnuh>pnbo: don't you have to go through subscibing to get on? it's been so long since i did, i dunno.
11:39<pnbo>I think this might be relevant but not sure https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=885433
11:39<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/885433 in wiki.debian.org (open): «wiki.debian.org: Access to wiki.debian.org is blocked with 403 Forbidden»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-12-27; last modified: 2018-07-05.
11:39<pnbo>I can access normal debian.org and bugs.debian.org but not the wiki
11:41<mnuhmnuh>pnbo: debian and gnu and linux (FLOSS) always has been multinational. find out what's telling your browser that.
11:41<pnbo>mnuhmnuh: the debian wiki is telling me that
11:41<pnbo>it's a 403 forbidden error
11:41<pnbo>accessed over https
11:41<pnbo>with valid cert from let's encrypt
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11:44<mnuhmnuh>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/Contact
11:44<pnbo>mnuhmnuh: I cannot access the wiki.....
11:44*mnuhmnuh doh! sorry.
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11:45<mnuhmnuh>go to starbucks and try from there? ask the person sitting next to you to try it? where to start?
11:46<mnuhmnuh>call your mom and see if she can bring it up?
11:46<mnuhmnuh>at least she'll hear from you. :-)
11:47<jhutchins_wk>pnbo: I'm guessing that tor might be blocked.
11:49<pnbo>jhutchins_wk: not using Tor
11:50<mnuhmnuh>mine too. /wi pnbo mentions tor, tor not welcome on oftc due to recent abuse.
11:50<pnbo>mnuhmnuh: if there was a starbucks in my country, it would probably be burned down the very same day
11:50<mnuhmnuh>may be not now, but access lists have long memories.
11:51<mnuhmnuh>used to be tim hortons in canuck base in khandahar.
11:53<pnbo>mnuhmnuh: of course! I am gonna walk up to a foreign military base and ask them for the internetz!
11:53<jhutchins_wk>mnuhmnuh: He's on a couple of tor channels.
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11:54<mnuhmnuh>bring a bottle or six pack.
11:55<mnuhmnuh>jhutchins_wk: like i say, easy to get on a list, can be difficult to get off.
11:55<mnuhmnuh>prove you're not a bot, or a dog.
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11:57<mnuhmnuh>tell 'em you have valuable intel. the spooks will welcome you.
11:58<mnuhmnuh>don't bring any electonics with you.
11:59<mnuhmnuh>i see pabs was in on that one. they're in here often.
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12:08<mnuhmnuh>wow, slick: https://bugs.debian.org/wiki.debian.org - that fires up bugs.debian.org displaying results for package wiki.debian.org (unstable). tres bien! :-)
12:11<mnuhmnuh>sorry, arrived at by https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/Contact - that's the slick part.
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12:19<mnuhmnuh>pnbo: looks like #debian-www is where you should be asking.
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12:21<pnbo>mnuhmnuh: thanks
12:25<mnuhmnuh>for?
12:25<mnuhmnuh>did i do bad?
12:25<pnbo>for directing me to that channel
12:27<pnbo>it's kind of hard to find information about debian (and who to contact) without access to the wiki
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12:43<Synthea>How do I set default java?
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12:43<wizofe>hm, some help with how can I resize an sbuild chroot?
12:44<annadane>update-alternatives --config java
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12:49<jmux>wizofe: what kind of sbuild chroot? Just uninstall stuff? I'm assuming you actually mean schroot?
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12:56<wizofe>jmux yes I do mean schroot indeed. I got the error that /var/cache... doesn't have enough free space. But then again I am inside a Vagrantbox, so I suspect the limitation is coming from there and that's what I need to resize.
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13:04<jmux>wizofe: no idea. All depends on the partitioning. Maybe you just need to change your vbox virtual disk and then expand some lvm. Somewhere a df should show that some mount is full.
13:05<jmux>wizofe: and it still depends on the type of schroot (directory, lvm, aufs / overlayfs, tar)
13:07<jmux>wizofe: while directory just does a chroot /mydir, lvm creates snapshot, etc. Just investigate each "level" and look, if some filesystem is full.
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15:06<rugshucker>Well I'm drunk at 3 O'clock
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15:26<rugshucker>Alright I already asked this question but here goes. When I shutdown I usually get a stop job is running for session 2 of user _____. What is "session 2"
15:26<rugshucker>?
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15:48<jhutchins_wk>rugshucker: Generically a session is a login, either on X or on console (or ssh).
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15:48<jhutchins_wk>rugshucker: What your message refers to might be something else.
15:48<jhutchins_wk>rugshucker: Ideally you would be able to run ps ax and know what each item listed is supposed to be doing.
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15:54<rugshucker>Yeah only problem is I don't have access to the terminal when I'm shutting down
15:55<iXavik>During shutdown?
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15:57<rugshucker>Yep it says "a stop job is running for session 2 of user _____." And sometimes it runs for a full 1 minute and 30 seconds.
15:59<iXavik>Hmm...
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16:09<mnuhmnuh>are you shutting down or hibernating? are you sure?
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16:10<rugshucker>Shutting down
16:10<rugshucker>yes
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16:11<mnuhmnuh>,v #893167
16:11<judd>No package named '#893167' was found in amd64.
16:11<mnuhmnuh>,bug #893167
16:11<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/893167 in eboard (open, upstream): «eboard: stack smashing & source repository update»; severity: grave; opened: 2018-03-17; last modified: 2018-07-31.
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16:29<lolcat-007>hello, here is my dmesg file it seem i have some error
16:29<lolcat-007>http://paste.debian.net/1040758/
16:29<lolcat-007>anyhelp
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16:41<jhutchins_wk>lolcat-007: What error?
16:43<lolcat-007>jhutchins_wk, do you see the dmesg file i just post??
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16:44<jhutchins_wk>lolcat-007: I'm not going to read your whole dmesg file because you think you have an error. Read it and tell me what the actual error is.
16:45<annadane>echoing what jhutchins_wk just said, error messages are verbose for a reason, to enable the system admin to be able to dig deeper. first describe the actual observed behavior causing problems
16:45<lolcat-007>jhutchins_wk, the problem is im new in linux so i dont undestand the file
16:45<lolcat-007>i just install debian stretch on my laptop
16:45<lolcat-007>and
16:46<lolcat-007>when the system boot up show some error
16:46<lolcat-007>some say failed to loaded
16:47<jhutchins_wk>lolcat-007: It matters what error, what failed to load. Is something not working?
16:47<lolcat-007>jhutchins_wk, for example the bluetooth is not working
16:47<jhutchins_wk>lolcat-007: A lot of systems will fail to load the resume file because there isn't one.
16:47<lolcat-007>so far is the only thing i can see is not working
16:48<jhutchins_wk>lolcat-007: Sometimes that's firmware.
16:48<lolcat-007>jhutchins_wk, exactly
16:48<jhutchins_wk>lolcat-007: dmesg | grep firmware or dmesg | less, search for "firmware".
16:48<lolcat-007>how can i fix firmware issue
16:49<jhutchins_wk>lolcat-007: Find out if that's the problem, find out which firmware it needs, install the firmware if available.
16:49<lolcat-007>jhutchins_wk, for example the bluetooth is not working
16:49<lolcat-007>how can i fix that
16:49<lolcat-007>?
16:50<lolcat-007>lets start for the bluetooth
16:50<jhutchins_wk>try the commands I sussgested three minutes ago.
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16:52<lolcat-007>ok
16:52<lolcat-007>i back
16:53<annadane>as root, dmesg | grep -i firmware
16:53<lolcat-007>annadane, nothing happends
16:54<annadane>ok, let me take a closer look at the paste
16:54<rugshucker>So yeah "session 2" is still an issue
16:54<annadane>first of all, does it totally stop the boot from happening? or does it just display error messages and move on, and also, can you maybe take a picture or something of the exact messages
16:55<lolcat-007>annadane, no the messages just show up and then the system boot normally
16:56<annadane>in my uneducated opinion it looks like it takes a little while to find a device
16:56<annadane>,pciid 8086:9d14
16:56<judd>[8086:9d14] is 'Sunrise Point-LP PCI Express Root Port #5' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:9d14
16:57<rugshucker>Yeah I also got Iwlwifi not loaded bc I downloaded a version of Stretch with added firmware
16:57<annadane>rugshucker, from where, debian's website?
16:57<annadane>iwlwifi nominally should load...
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16:58<annadane>rugshucker, paste.debian.net dmesg | grep -i firmware
16:58<rugshucker>My wifi is working fine it's just the added firmware. Idk I guess I just did a search for Debian 9 with extra firmware.
16:59<rugshucker>I did that no output
16:59<annadane>lolcat-007, if it doesn't seem to cause problems like causing the boot process to lag incredibly maybe just ignore it
16:59<lolcat-007>annadane, so what about the bluetooth? how can i get it to work?
17:00<jhutchins_wk>!es
17:00<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
17:00<annadane>actually, see what dmesg | grep -i firmware says
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17:01<annadane>oh hang on, sorry.
17:01<annadane>we just did this
17:01<jhutchins_wk>lolcat-007: Or dmesg | grep -i blu
17:01<lolcat-007>annadane, that command give doesnt give any output
17:02<lolcat-007>jhutchins_wk, nothing
17:02<jhutchins_wk>lolcat-007: Grep searches for the specified string (firmware). If there's no output then that string doesn't exist.
17:02<jhutchins_wk>lolcat-007: You're doing this in a termina, as root?
17:02<annadane>if they're not logged in as root dmesg will simply say permission denied
17:02<lolcat-007>jhutchins_wk, in the setting menu say no bluetooth found plug a dongle to use bluetooth
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17:03<lolcat-007>jhutchins_wk, yes as a root in the terminal
17:03<jhutchins_wk>lolcat-007: What makes you think you have blutooth built in?
17:04<jhutchins_wk>Oops, gotta go, good luck annadane
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17:04<lolcat-007>annadane, do you gonna help me
17:04<lolcat-007>?
17:04<annadane>if i can
17:04<annadane>just to be clear, you don't just get permission denied, right? dmesg | grep -i firmware just gives a blank line, same for dmesg | grep -i blu?
17:05<annadane>if i can't help you, other people read IRC and that may be able to compensate for my lack of knowledge
17:05<annadane>they*
17:06<rugshucker>"session 2"
17:06<lolcat-007>do i need pulseaudio to enable bluetooth
17:06<lolcat-007>?
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17:06<annadane>please answer my questions first
17:07<lolcat-007>annadane, no i dont get permission denied cause im doing as a root user
17:07<lolcat-007>and nothing show up
17:07<lolcat-007>with those commands
17:07<annadane>yes, i get that. but it's important to really ascertain what the user is doing because they don't always describe exactly what they see
17:08<annadane>ok, so there could be any number of things here. your "settings menu"... first of all, what desktop environment are you using
17:08<lolcat-007>gnome
17:08<annadane>i'm not a bluetooth expert so this is basically guessing
17:08<annadane>ok, so do you *have* a dongle, like it requests you to plug in?
17:09<lolcat-007>annadane, i dont care too much about the bluetooth i just want to know why dmesg give those pci error
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17:10<annadane>ok but as i said unless it really stalls the boot process, ignore it until you have actual observed problems
17:10<annadane>just because unix output says error doesn't make it automatically critical
17:10<lolcat-007>ok
17:10<lolcat-007>i understands
17:11<annadane>also i'm pretty sure you don't get all that at boot
17:11<annadane>it's probably much shorter
17:11<lolcat-007>annadane, no
17:12<lolcat-007>annadane, so lets get going with the bluetooth then
17:13<annadane>which you just said you don't care about, but ok, presumably you want to get it working
17:13<annadane>so do you actually have a dongle?
17:13<annadane>because that's what it's requesting
17:14<rugshucker>I am the root user on my computer
17:15<lolcat-007>annadane, sorry anna i have to go later we continuous with those issue
17:15<lolcat-007>thank for the help
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17:17<annadane>ok, so stop jobs on shutdown, i'm not sure how those are diagnosed
17:17<annadane>i wonder if those might be found in journalctl
17:17<annadane>but uh... i can't really help you on that front rugshucker, maybe someone else can
17:18<annadane>the wifi firmware thing is more comprehensible
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17:21<rugshucker>Alright I'll run journalctl
17:22<annadane>it would be from *previous* boot if anything
17:22<annadane>journalctl -b -1
17:22<annadane>i think is the syntax
17:22<annadane>but i have no idea if it shows anything helpfu
17:22<annadane>l
17:22<annadane>i can probably google the message and see how one can more properly dig into those messages
17:23<annadane>(and so can you, at the very least it will show how to begin investigating)
17:24<annadane>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=131589 has some good info
17:25<rugshucker>thanks I still haven't searched for it. I'm very private. Careful about what I search for
17:25<annadane>the first suggestion is to make persistent journald
17:26<annadane>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=636648&sid=042b91c4da13684f8371cba9fc13ed8c#p636648
17:26<annadane>we've actually discussed this before, i thought you could always see this boot and previous boot by default but apparently you need persistence
17:27<annadane>though granted that thread is from when jessie was stable
17:27<annadane>iirc though changes to journalctl was not in the release notes
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