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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-09-06

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07:23<EmleyMoor>Got an automounted fs on one of my machines reporting stale file handle... how do I refresh itL
07:23<EmleyMoor>?
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07:36<EmleyMoor>OK, resolved that, but can't reach same fs from another machine where it's supposed to be visible - though others from same server are
07:44<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... resolved with no explanation
07:46<duclicsic>!next
07:46<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
07:46<duclicsic>the best kind of problems are those self resolving ones
07:47<EmleyMoor>duclicsic: Indeed... you try the obvious (restart services, or stop, wait, start) once and it doesn't work, but again and it does...
07:47<EmleyMoor>In this case some of my backups didn't run because two machines couldn't see the destination
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07:48<EmleyMoor>1st Thursday of the month is meant to be full backup day
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08:55<Bailey>Hello
08:55<Bailey>What's poppin
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09:43<cc>I am using spice-client-gtk package to connect to a virtual machine ('spicy' binary). Question: how do I send a key sequence like Ctrl-Alt-F1 into the VM using this client ?
09:44<petn-randall>cc: Most such tools have a menu option to send those signals.
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09:54<cc>don't see one
09:55<gedia>hello all, is there anyway to provide per-host grub configuration when using UEFI network boot (bootnetx64.efi), similar to the pxelinux.cfg method?
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10:27<gedia>never mind, apparently you need a patched version to do this: https://github.com/theforeman/foreman-bootloaders
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10:34<Blacker47>cc, it seems to use qemu, so read the text on top https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/QEMU/Monitor how to switch to monitor view and then use this: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/QEMU/Monitor#sendkey_keys
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12:19<lolcat-007>hello someone can help me enable bluetooth im using debian stretch with gnome
12:20<jhutchins_wk>lolcat-007: Are the bluetooth drivers loaded? Is your hardware recognised? Does rfkill show the devices unblocked?
12:21<jhutchins_wk>!bluetooth
12:21<dpkg>Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (http://bluetooth.com/), about as secure as shouting. aptitude install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser http://wiki.debian.org/Bluetooth/Alsa . For support of Qualcomm Atheros devices, ask me about <ath3k>. See also <btusb>.
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12:22<lolcat-007>jhutchins_wk, rfkill only show the wireless lan it doesnt show the bluetooth device
12:23<lolcat-007>jhutchins_wk, should i install the packages bluez-utils
12:23<lolcat-007>??
12:25<lolcat-007>jhutchins_wk, i already install bluez
12:32<lolcat-007>one thing the bluetooth manager say it no adapter found
12:32<petn-randall>lolcat-007: How do you know there is a bluetooth device?
12:33<lolcat-007>petn-randall, cause the manual of my laptop said it and in window the bluetooth was working properly
12:34<petn-randall>lolcat-007: Is there some physical switch for it? What make and model is the laptop?
12:34<lolcat-007>dell inspiron 5566
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12:36<lolcat-007>petn-randall, there isnt a physical switch for bluetooth
12:36<lolcat-007>on my keyboard
12:36<petn-randall>lolcat-007: That's pretty new hardware. I'd try the kernel from stretch-backports.
12:37<lolcat-007>petn-randall, do you mean install a new kernel?
12:38<petn-randall>lolcat-007: yes
12:38<petn-randall>!stretch-backports
12:38<dpkg>Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>.
12:38<petn-randall>lolcat-007: Check out the site ^^^ for instructions. Then install the newer kernel with 'apt-get -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64'.
12:39<lolcat-007>petn-randall, i dont thing i can be able to do that i new in linux so i only know the basic
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12:39<petn-randall>lolcat-007: Well, if you get stuck, feel free to ask in here. But the instructions are fairly straight-forward.
12:41<lolcat-007>petn-randall, but do you thing that is the only way to fix that
12:41<lolcat-007>installing a new kernel
12:41<lolcat-007>?
12:42<annadane>1) sign in as root 2) from a terminal, nano /etc/apt/sources.list
12:42<petn-randall>lolcat-007: Not 100% sure, but it's a good first step.
12:42<annadane>oops, enter key
12:42<annadane>actually, just follow the instructions
12:42<annadane>from the website
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12:43<lolcat-007>petn-randall, know what i put i live cd with ubuntu to test everything and everything was working good even the bluetooth so i dont know why now is causing problem
12:43<lolcat-007>?
12:44<danopa>lolcat-007: ubuntu probably has a newer kernel
12:44<petn-randall>lolcat-007: It's likely because it's a newer kernel.
12:46<lolcat-007>petn-randall, ok but what happen if i install a new kernel i gonna loose all my data
12:46<lolcat-007>?
12:46<annadane>not at all...
12:46<lolcat-007>so it is safe to do that
12:46<lolcat-007>?
12:47<annadane>definitely
12:47<lolcat-007>annadane, do you remember the error i told about it
12:47<annadane>no
12:47<lolcat-007>maybe is because of that
12:47<peter1138>^ as long as you use the backport kernel from stretch-backports, no issue.
12:48<annadane>well i may as well give instructions anyway
12:48<peter1138>installing random kernels from unknown sources may be more problematic.
12:49<lolcat-007>when my system is booting it give some error like firmware issue
12:49<lolcat-007>maybe is because of that i thing
12:49<lolcat-007>?
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12:49<annadane>1) sign in as root in a terminal 2) from the terminal, nano /etc/apt/sources.list 3) add this line (without quotes) "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-backports main" (or contrib non-free if you want non-free software later) 4) on your keyboard, press control + x (exits nano), after that, y, (confirms changes), and enter (it will ask you what file name to save it as) 5) type apt update 6) type apt install -t
12:49<annadane>stretch-backports linux-image-amd64 7) reboot
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12:50<annadane>no, firmware is probably unrelated, though can you paste, to paste.debian.net, the output of dmesg | grep -i firmware
12:51<lolcat-007>annadane, here http://paste.debian.net/1041023/
12:54<annadane>probably also install firmware-realtek and firmware-atheros, i think
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12:55<lolcat-007>annadane, but atheros in not the network adapters
12:55<lolcat-007>?
12:56<lolcat-007>is working properly
12:56<annadane>my understanding is there's a lot of overlap in functionality between the various firmware packages but i'm not sure if installing those packages is necessary
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12:56<annadane>anyway, try the newer kernel
12:57<annadane>ugh, why did i get roped in to answering another question, i should leave this to people already talking about it
12:58<petn-randall>lolcat-007: `apt-get -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-linux` will install the newest firmware and kernel for you. If for some reason booting the kernel should fail, you can simply select the old one from the grub boot menu.
12:58<annadane>yeah, or that
12:58<lolcat-007>petn-randall, i already install firmware-linux
12:58<petn-randall>lolcat-007: from stretch-backports?
12:59<mnuhmnuh>just rebooted into stretch Debian 4.17.17-1~bpo9+1, no problems.
12:59<lolcat-007>petn-randall, no from the normal repos
13:00<lolcat-007>mnuhmnuh, that is the kernel i should use
13:00<lolcat-007>?
13:00<mnuhmnuh>it's the latest available from debian for stable.
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13:01<mnuhmnuh>you can always roll your own with upstream's linux source.
13:02<petn-randall>That's the latest availab in stretch-backports. Not stretch (stable).
13:03<mnuhmnuh>i'v seen a few mumbles from adopters saying obscure stuff fails or breaks or worked before but not now ... not many, ymmv.
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13:03<annadane>i imagine it's pretty darn rare
13:04<bremner>I had suspend problems with 4.17, but a BIOS upgrade fixed it
13:04<mnuhmnuh>i've seen nothing bad.
13:04<mnuhmnuh>here.
13:04<lolcat-007>to tell the true i dont want to mess my system so i gonna left the current kernel maybe waiting for the new stable kernel release
13:04<lolcat-007>is that ok
13:05<annadane>stable will not release newer kernels until the next stable release
13:05<petn-randall>lolcat-007: There will be none. You only get security updates with the 4.9 kernel.
13:05<annadane>i suggest you follow petn-randall's advice to use the newer kernel from backports
13:06<petn-randall>lolcat-007: As I said, the worst thing that can happen is that it doesn't boot (0.001% chance). If that happens, just select the old kernel in the grub menu and you're back to normal.
13:07<lolcat-007>petn-randall, i about in case i have dual boot window and debian installing the newest kernel wont break the grub
13:07<lolcat-007>?
13:09<petn-randall>
13:10<petn-randall>lolcat-007: I already listed all the risks involved of booting a newer kernel.
13:10<annadane>paranoia in linux is good but it mostly focuses around a) using the root account and b) blindly following advice from the internet or copy/pasting instructions
13:11<lolcat-007>ok
13:11<lolcat-007>i going to try that
13:11<annadane>you're using debian stable and backports. significant breakage should -- nay, *will* not happen. unless you're very unlucky.
13:12<annadane>this is why stable is nice, you can afford to be lazy
13:14<annadane>the only thing with backports and i guess really debian in general is it's a good idea to check your system for upgrades maybe once a week
13:15<annadane>while there is a mailing list for backports updates it gets spammy really quick; the only updates in debian stable 99% of the time are security related
13:15<annadane>for which, debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org
13:16<annadane>someone tell me to please get off IRC, i have work to do... >_>
13:16<jhutchins_wk>I would work a little hardere to find out why bluetooth isn't detecting the hardware before I messed with the kernel.
13:17<jhutchins_wk>I would read through dmesg and use lspci to find the chipset and see why the driver isn't loading, possibly just install firmware or the proper driver.
13:17<jhutchins_wk>lolcat-007: Did you run hidd --search as root, as the factoid suggested?
13:18<lolcat-007>jhutchins_wk, not i didnt
13:18<lolcat-007>what is hidd --search
13:18<lolcat-007>?
13:19<jhutchins_wk>lolcat-007: man hidd
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13:20<lolcat-007>jhutchins_wk, jhutchins_wk how can i execute that command
13:20<lolcat-007>?
13:20<jhutchins_wk>type it in on a terminal (console). For the actuall command either become root (su -) or use sudo.
13:21<jhutchins_wk>!handbook
13:21<dpkg>The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf
13:21<lolcat-007>jhutchins_wk, i try man hidd and nothing show up
13:21<lolcat-007>i guess is not installed
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13:23<jhutchins_wk>lolcat-007: I'm not at my laptop right now, I'll check it out in a bit.
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13:24<jhutchins_wk>Try lspci -nn as root, see if you can see an entry for the hardware.
13:24<jhutchins_wk> It's possible that the factoid is out-of-date.
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13:25<jhutchins_wk>lolcat-007: hidd is the Human Interface Device Daemon.
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13:26<jhutchins_wk>lolcat-007: ps ax | grep hidd should show you if it's running.
13:27<lolcat-007>here the output of lspci -nn http://paste.debian.net/1041030/
13:29<jhutchins_wk>lolcat-007: I do not see a bluetooth device there.
13:30<lolcat-007>jhutchins_wk, yep me either
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13:34<arto>lolcat-007: install bluez, and give command: hciconfig
13:35<lolcat-007>arto, i have bluez installed
13:35<arto>lolcat-007: then try that hciconfig
13:35<lolcat-007>hciconfig nothing show up
13:36<arto>lolcat-007: then I suggest kernel update, as you have already been told
13:37<lolcat-007>arto, ok
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13:47*jhutchins_wk still thinks a careful reading of dmesg -T | less would be in order.
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14:12<lolcat-007>hello
14:12<lolcat-007>i back
14:13<lolcat-007>i already installed the new kernel from backports
14:13<lolcat-007>but still same issue
14:13<annadane>try the ideas of jhutchins_wk, then
14:13<lolcat-007>4.17.0
14:15<lolcat-007>i also try bluetoothctl to connect
14:15<lolcat-007>but i doesnt work
14:15<lolcat-007>keep connect to bluetooth
14:15<lolcat-007>nothing else
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15:53<jhutchins_wk>Well, my diagnostics are invalid, bluetooth doesn't appear in either lspci or dmesg.
15:54<jhutchins_wk>How are we supposed to help him if he keeps dropping off like that?
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16:14<siv>hi ppl! can somebody help me with strage problem with debian 9?
16:15<rmotao>what's your problem?
16:15<siv>i had try to install sudo package, but apt cant find this package
16:16<siv>but it updated
16:17<siv>and no problem with openssh-server 4example
16:17<siv>but sudo - no installation candidate
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16:23<jhutchins_wk>siv: Could you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list?
16:24<jhutchins_wk>!paste
16:24<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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16:46<siv>http://paste.debian.net/1041056
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16:48<jhutchins_wk>siv: There you go, you only have updates configured.
16:48<jhutchins_wk>!stretch sources.list
16:48<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
16:49<jhutchins_wk>I usually comment out the src lines to speed up updates.
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16:56<at0m>jhutchins_wk: and the icons /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/*icon* from a couple machines lately, that snuk in somehow. gui apt interfaces tend to recommend/depend on these, but i dont use them so purged these. found the icon downloads are quite some MB's each time (no diffs for these)
16:58<at0m>the icons made up probably over 90% of each apt update :s
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16:59<siv>dpkg, jhutchins_wk 10x a lot
16:59<dpkg>siv: are you smoking crack?
16:59<siv>stupid thing)
16:59<jhutchins_wk>siv: Yeah, it's a bot.
17:00<at0m>dpkg: are you a bot?
17:00<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
17:01<jhutchins_wk>I don't seem to have any icons there, but then again I have niether gnome nor synaptic.
17:01<siv>))
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17:03<at0m>jhutchins_wk: yes, comes with these and plasma-discovery
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17:05<siv>nice to meet u, bb
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18:15<dapredator>Hi there. Does anyone use Debian on MacBook?
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18:19<mswan>Does anyone know why ltrace is available for all releases except buster/testing?
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18:26<Brigo>mswan, check the tracker
18:26<Brigo>tracker.debian.org/ltrace maybe
18:27<Brigo>mswan, Bug #898113: ltrace crashes and hangs on armhf
18:27<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/898113 in ltrace (closed, patch): «ltrace crashes and hangs on armhf»; severity: serious; opened: 2018-05-07; last modified: 2018-08-22.
18:28<mswan>Brigo, judd: thanks.
18:29<Brigo>mswan, np. judd is a bot
18:30<mswan>Oh
18:30<mswan>haha
18:30<mswan>Thanks
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18:58<mnuhmnuh>dapredator: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMac
18:59<mnuhmnuh>dapredator: https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook
19:00<dapredator>mnuhmnuh, thanks, but it didn't help :( Looks like I have a Debian-specific bug, that's why I've decided to come here
19:00<dapredator>but I'm not quite sure the bug suitable for Debian's bugzilla.
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19:04<mnuhmnuh>i'll never understand why anyone's reticent to report bugs. worst case, you'll learn something. devs can't test everything, that's our job. feedback into the system is just as important as new/better.
19:04<mnuhmnuh>reportbug is there for a reason.
19:04<dapredator>Hm, OK, I'll try
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19:11<mnuhmnuh>they don't even have the hardware they need. does post-wheezy kfreebsd exist? can i run a live amd64 testing/kfreebsd .iso? just eth0, no blobs needed.
19:12<mnuhmnuh>does that .iso exist?
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19:20<mnuhmnuh>wretched complexity. :-)
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19:29<mnuhmnuh>found it. not live, but ...
19:30<mnuhmnuh>cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/7.11.0/kfreebsd-amd64 ... hmm.
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20:17*mnuhmnuh $gahddemmit, i've got 10 web tab pages opening into complexity, and i'm constantly still running w3m, pinfo, navigating xman, or damnit man! how the hell does anyone fit that in?
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21:05<agrecascino>hi
21:05<agrecascino>i need some help with qemu user mode
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21:06<agrecascino>whenever i open some programs, like gdb or wine i get failed to map segment from shared object
21:06<agrecascino>and i'm not really sure if it's a qemu bug or
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21:14<mnuhmnuh>agrecascino: describe your environment, how you got there, which installer, immediate problems, ...
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21:18<agrecascino>i'm on ppc64le, i installed qemu, then rebuilt qemu 3.0 over it, then installed wine/gdb through apt and tried to start them
21:19<agrecascino>wine runs but fails to load any drivers
21:19<agrecascino>gdb fails to start
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21:30<rmotao>anyone here use Ekiga at Debian?
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21:35<rmotao>never mind.
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22:22<mnuhmnuh>no mind. too many mind. no mind.
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