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04:31<itd>Why is that package upgradable? https://paste.debian.net/plainh/fe52827e ("now" was built & installed from source)
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04:36<KolK>itd: in debian/rules they are empty
04:48<itd>KolK: A MWE + output would be nice. Did you try to use --set-envvar instead of -e ?
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05:18<iobound>hi, when I try to boot a debian9 (arm, qnap) machine with 3 out of 4 md drives connected, boot stops early and doesn't start ssh. systemd log shows "timed out waiting for device dev-disk-by...blabla". Any tips on how I can make the system boot with degraded raid?
05:20<iobound>In other words, how can I make systemd(?) start ssh and not just print "Dependency failed for Local File Systems" and drop into an emergency shell? This machine does not have a console so the emergency shell is useless
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05:29<iobound>is there a way to force sshd to start when systemd decides to enter emergency mode?
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05:31<jelly>is there no serial console on that thing?
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05:36<iobound>that would apparently require equipment i don't have
05:36<iobound>i found this https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/416649 which suggest i can create an override for local-fs.target and set onfailure=
05:37<iobound>if systemd's emergency mode could start an ssh server, even if just a LAN-only dropbear or something, that would have been extremely helpful
05:40<iobound>that local-fs.target override didn't seem to help. still no ssh server running
05:40<iobound>does debian9 not support booting a system with degraded raid / missing disk at all? :-/
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05:44<iobound>the machine boots fully with sshd if i reinsert the failing disk, but this makes it impossible to replace it with a new one :-/
05:48<pipedream>what if you remove the drive from the raid? (mark as fail and then remove).
05:50<iobound>i could try, but i wish for a solution that could work even if the drive would be completely dead. right now, the failing drive must be present for the system to boot and i don't like that dependency
05:50<iobound>i also don't know if that will leave me in a deadend, if i miss removing a systemd dependency for the drive, i could get real stuck
05:50<iobound>previous versions of debian managed to boot with degraded raid, but it looks like debian9 just get stuck in an emergency shell which i can't see :-/
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05:53<pipedream>maybe this helps http://www.informaticapressapochista.com/linux/debian-8-jessie-how-to-boot-degraded-raid1-software/ (yes, debian 8)
05:53<iobound>thanks, but no. i've seen that and had to use that trick in debian8, but it doesn't work in debian9.
05:54<iobound>the problem is not mdadm assembly (that actually works), the problem is that systemd has decided it must wait for the removed disk to show up, then it times out and instead of proceeding to boot to multiuser, it boots to an emergency shell.
05:54<iobound>i know this because i can see it in the systemd logs written to the md root fs when i reboot with the missing disk attached.
05:55<iobound>so the problem is i need to convince systemd to not go into a failed state just because one of its disk "target jobs" is timing out
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06:15<KolK>itd: I use Debian 9.3
06:15<KolK>and this is output from build when I used --set-envvar
06:15<KolK>https://dpaste.de/ZB1P
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06:18<KolK>this is case with -e instead of --set-envvar: https://dpaste.de/UrR1
06:19<KolK>and this is my debian/rules: https://dpaste.de/4B4d
06:19<KolK>it is built in docker container based on debian:9.3 image
06:19<itd>KolK: --set-envvar is a debuild option, -us and -uc are dpkg-buildpackage options, according to man debuild you need to specify debuild options prior to any dpkg-buildpackage option.
06:22<iobound>one step closer, after adding "nofail" to every filesystem in /etc/fstab, i can now boot and ssh in (even though /home is not mounted). why can't systemd start up with degreaded md raid?
06:26<iobound>there's even a file called "mdadm-last-restore" in /lib/systemd but this thing does not work :-/
06:26<iobound>yet again systemd strikes :(
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07:23<flips>I tried changing ACTIVE_CONSOLES to /dev/tty[1-4] in /etc/default/console-setup, but still it launches console login on tty5 and tty6 ... (Trying to figure out what's the new inittab) :)
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07:26<Oppa># virsh -c qemu:///system define Whonix-Gateway-14.0.0.7.4.libvirt.xz
07:26<Oppa>error: Failed to read file 'Whonix-Gateway-14.0.0.7.4.libvirt.xz': Value too large for defined data type
07:26<Oppa>help
07:27<flips>virsh define probably expects an XML file or something
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07:28<flips>.xz sounds like a compressed image ...
07:28<abrotman>xz is like gz or bzip2
07:28<itd>flips: man logind.conf section options: NAutoVTs / ReserveVT (just a guess)
07:31<Oppa>1. Add and activate the virtual networks (settings files also in the same folder as Whonix Gateway). If the definition of the Whonix internal network fails because the virtual bridge "virbr2" already exists, edit the internal_network*.xml file and change the name to one that doesn't exist, e.g. "virbr3" (you can list all existing bridge adapters with "sudo brctl show"):
07:31<Oppa>virsh -c qemu:///system net-define Whonix_external*.xml
07:31<Oppa>virsh -c qemu:///system net-define Whonix_internal*.xml
07:32<Oppa>flips the XMLs are indeed referrenced in the instructions
07:32<Oppa>what should i try changing in them?
07:32<itd>dpkg: whonix
07:32<dpkg>Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. http://whonix.org/ #whonix on irc.oftc.net.
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07:33<flips>itd: Sounds about right, not sure how I could tell it to use f.ex. only tty5 and tty6 ...
07:33<Oppa>dpkg: virsh
07:33<dpkg>no idea, Oppa
07:34<Oppa>itd, i'm not looking for whonix support exactly, i'm looking for virsh support
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07:34<itd>Oppa: And I can provide neither. ;)
07:35<flips>Oppa: maybe #libvirt on Freenode is better. (You tried feeding virsh define a compress file, that's definitively wrong.)
07:35<Oppa>flips thanks
07:35<itd>flips: re tty5/6: no idea, sorry.
07:35<bremner>there's pretty extensive libvirt docs online
07:36<flips>Oppa: if you have gui, you could use virt-manager or something to help you setup stuff ...
07:39<Oppa>flips: the thing is that whonix (well, like most things in linux actually) won't work unless one follows the precise instructions
07:39<Oppa>come to think of it now,
07:40<Oppa>the very instructions being provided on the wiki aren't working anyway lol
07:40<Oppa>so i'll just try it out anyhow
07:40<Oppa>it ain't working already lol
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08:03<sajinmp>Hi. I have faced an issue and tried some ways to solve it. But I am unable to find a solution. The problem is that - while left_ctrl + a,d,l not working as expected. When I tried with xev, I found that while left_ctrl is clicked, the other key's click is not recording. But if i click left_ctrl + a and then leave the left_ctrl key first, then the expected behavior happens. The right_ctrl key has no issues. Does anyone has any idea of why it might be so?
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08:04<bremner>sajinmp: could be a hardware problem? can you try a different keyboard?
08:07<sajinmp>bremner: i tried with an external keyboard and its working fine. seems it really is a hardware issue. thank you for your help
08:08<bremner>sure, sorry to hear your hardware is broken
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08:12<Oppa>flips: got it working so far
08:12<Oppa>after finally realizing what the .xz extension means
08:13<flips>the command "file" is your friend ... (file somefilename) :)
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08:40<KolK>itd: thanks
08:40<KolK>now eveything works ;-)
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09:11*sakax is thanking all involved for updating firefox to quantum in debian stable :)
09:12<sakax>just wonderful
09:19<flips>itd: found it: systemctl {start,enable} getty@tty7.service
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09:23*mnuhmnuh firefox-esr amd64 60.2.0esr-1~deb9u2
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09:25<itd>flips: Nice, thanks. :)
09:26<petn-randall>Yep, just switch myself, too :)
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10:33<mnuhmnuh>wow, was ff-esr stupid coming back from a restart! wake up already. :-|
10:35<arto>after todays firefox-esr update, I can't watch https://areena.yle.fi/tv videos
10:35<arto>they work on chromium
10:38<petn-randall>arto: which libavcodec* package do you have installed?
10:40<arto>petn-randall: libavcodec57
10:43<petn-randall>arto: You could try installing libavcodec-extra57, I'm not sure if that helps.
10:43<arto>petn-randall: thanks, i'll try that
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10:52<arto>petn-randall: still video will not start
10:53<petn-randall>arto: Unfortunately I cannot reproduce the issue because that site won't allow me to play the videos from abroad.
10:54<arto>petn-randall: yes, that's problem, but my wife noticed the same on her debian pc
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11:14<arto>petn-randall: works, if I run firefox-esr -safe-mode
11:14<itd>arto: Did you enable tracking protection?
11:16<arto>itd: nope, but it has not been problem before
11:18<bremner>arto: -safe-mode working suggests some extension might be broken?
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11:21<arto>bremner: yeah, reporbug gave good hints, also removing .mozilla/firefox helped
11:22<agrecascino>does anyone here use qemu-user-mode
11:23<sakax>arto: works fine for me with quantum
11:24<sakax>the site is a little bit slow but after 1min buffering the videos play fine her
11:24<sakax>here*
11:24<arto>sakax: as muhmuh said, debian stable has no quantum
11:25<itd>dpkg tell agrecascino -about survey
11:25<sakax>yes it has since this week
11:25<sakax>i updated today stable firefox to quantum
11:25<agrecascino>oof okay
11:25<agrecascino>uh
11:26<agrecascino>i'm getting "failed to map segment" when opening a lot of applications when using qemu-user-mode
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11:26<agrecascino>and i'm not really sure what to do
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11:26<sakax>arto: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firefox-esr 60.2 is quantum
11:26<agrecascino>i'd kind of just like to find out what's going on if anything
11:26<agrecascino>wait
11:26<agrecascino>is the firefox package updated
11:27<itd>agrecascino: yes
11:28<agrecascino>it's still outdated on testing
11:28<agrecascino>what the heck
11:28<agrecascino>:<
11:28<bremner>life during wartime.
11:28<agrecascino>anyway uh yeah qemu user mode
11:29<annadane>agrecascino, yeah, welcome to testing
11:29<agrecascino>i can't even use stretch
11:29<agrecascino>the ppc64le iso just locks up
11:30<bremner>if you're running testing, you should ask in #debian-next
11:30<mnuhmnuh>arto: did i? quantum?!?
11:31<mnuhmnuh>now that i look, i see you're/i'm right.
11:32<mnuhmnuh>dunno what that means.
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11:32<mnuhmnuh>ah, 60.2 == quantum. jargon, pthoo.
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11:45<arto>well, if this is quantum, it sucks
11:49<arto>every page I try to open is so slow.... while chromium open them in a snap
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11:51<arto>now I understand why someone was asking how to downgrade quantum on forums.debian.net
11:52<at0m>on testing, i run firefox not firefox-esr. -esr ate my CPU on different installs. so, 62.0
11:52<at0m>,v firefox
11:52<judd>Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 62.0-1
11:52<at0m>,v firefox-esr
11:52<judd>Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 60.2.0esr-1
11:52<agrecascino>,v firefox-esr ppc64le
11:52<judd>Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 60.2.0esr-1
11:52<agrecascino>oh that dpesm'
11:52<agrecascino>oesn't work like that does it
11:55<arto>seems there is only firefox-esr for stable
11:59<arto>at0m: I've never seen gkrellm so full, all CPUs 0-4 where at 100%
12:00<arto>*0-3
12:00<at0m>arto: all from one app? (see top or htop for more specifics)
12:00<arto>firefox-esr, I already powered off me desktop
12:01<at0m>if all cpu's go to full usage, it would be interesting to know what eats all these cycles
12:01<arto>at0m: I think I'll purge firexfox-esr
12:02<arto>at0m: first was firefox-esr, second was some webkit
12:02<at0m>that webkit is part of ff, as far as i know
12:03<arto>at0m: process died after I closed firefox-esr
12:04<mnuhmnuh>i've 60.2 ff-esr, ca. 10 open tabs, gkrellm's quiet, though i'm not doing anything much in it atm.
12:05<arto>mnuhmnuh: I was streaming live video full screen
12:05<at0m>really?
12:06<mnuhmnuh>opened new tab --> techdirt, loads, goes back quiet.
12:06<at0m>arto: i'd say then don't blame ff, but your encoding/streaming
12:06<arto>at0m: ok, I will boot it upo
12:07<at0m>arto: you don't have to for me, but high cpu usage is abnormal during normal browsing. but fullscreen streaming live video is not normal browsing.
12:08<at0m>uploading live video involves a couple different stages each of which can go wrong easily
12:09<cc>is new esr in stable already ?
12:09<petn-randall>cc: yes
12:09<cc>which package name?
12:10<petn-randall>cc: The same as before.
12:10<annadane>firefox-esr
12:10<cc>,v firefox-esr
12:10<judd>Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 60.2.0esr-1
12:10<cc>sid only ^
12:10<annadane>if you already have 52 just upgrade your package(s)
12:10<annadane>judd is out of date
12:10<annadane>it's there in stable
12:10<petn-randall>cc: judd lags a bit behind, it's only updated twice a day or so.
12:11<cc>ok, nice
12:11<cc>thanks
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12:13*mnuhmnuh 60.2.0esr-1~deb9u2 on stretch.
12:14<arto>at0m: Web Content eats some 300% %CPU, firefox-esr 30-70%
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12:14<arto>at0m: and said wrond, uses 3 of 4 cpus
12:15<at0m>arto: that's the progress that comes with multi-threaded [/sarcasm]
12:20<ach>is a not support ? ..... iceweasel is in ability to show up download freely drm of webplayer spotify?
12:21<ach>not tried but shows
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12:25<at0m>ach: what is your native language? maybe there's a #debian-$yourlanguage support channel. cos i'm not sure i understand what you try to say
12:25<ach>forgive :< >_>
12:26<annadane>people still use iceweasel?
12:26<at0m>ach: no problem, just trying to help
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12:26<arto>annadane: I might, dissapointed to quantum
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12:28<bremner>running old browsers isn't really sensible from a security point of view. Or a usability point of view
12:29<annadane>i use the newest firefox stable but it's slightly annoying it won't inform you of updates
12:29<ach>is iceweasel gone since jessie though
12:29<annadane>it just downloads the update but you have to check in the about menu
12:30<petn-randall>!jessie
12:30<dpkg>Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: http://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426 ; security support ends 2018-05-17 but ask me about <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Currently <8.10>.
12:30<ach>*through
12:30<annadane>like, how hard is that to code in
12:30<petn-randall>!jessie-lts
12:30<dpkg>Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information
12:30<arto>bremner: chromium and firefox-esr are those which get security support
12:30<bremner>arto: I am aware of that.
12:30<petn-randall>arto: Not on jessie, though.
12:31*annadane still doesn't know which browser to use
12:31<annadane>anyway off topic
12:32<arto>annadane: it started when I was complaining firefox-esr unable to play videos
12:33<annadane>i'd be fine with firefox if it just auto updated
12:33<annadane>"hey, you have an update, restart firefox when you're not busy"
12:33<annadane>you have no way of telling otherwise
12:37<ach>https://www.dropbox.com/s/gehd5lgr6t6rz2f/Bildschirmfoto%20zu%202018-09-08%2018-35-15.png?dl=0
12:37<arto>annadane: have you tried chromium? I've kept it as second browser, maybe it from now one will be the first
12:37<annadane>i don't really feel like learning another browser
12:37<at0m>^why i keep chromium as backup, not as first
12:37<blast007>annadane: so you're just wanting a notification while you're still in the browser? or are you saying it doesn't auto-update the next time you start the browser?
12:38<annadane>i'd like a notification or something to tell me there's an update without having to go into the About menu
12:38<annadane>sorry, Help menu
12:38<annadane>Help - About Firefox
12:39<annadane>not debian's version, i just mean the one from mozilla's site; i'm severely off-topic ranty here
12:40<at0m>and for those unhappy with ff from debian repo's, there's https://mozilla.debian.net/
12:41<arto>!FrankenDebian
12:41<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
12:42<petn-randall>m.d.n isn't really Frankendebian, though it's best just to stick with ESR.
12:42<at0m>arto: i know about frankendebian. but this is from debian.net, so
12:42<mnuhmnuh>annadane: libnotify4
12:42<mnuhmnuh>notification-daemon
12:43<arto>thanks petn-randall, at0m
12:44<mnuhmnuh>apt-get told needrestart told notification-daemon popped up tooltip-ish notify window five sec.
12:44<at0m>annadane: firefox for windows can do that, on debian we depend, amongst others, on apt updates to get notified
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12:44<at0m><3 needrestart
12:44<arto>at0m: or write a script, wget
12:45<at0m>arto: to do what exactly? what apt already does?
12:46<arto>at0m: check mozilla.debian.net, if a new version available
12:46<annadane>i *guess* now that esr is quantum based i can use firefox-esr from debian but i'd also kinda like new features that come with the mainline releases
12:48<at0m>for a while i had both firefox and firefox-esr, but that was way too confusing and i wouldnt suggest anyone do that.. think of default browser, the other wanting to open while .mozilla/firefox profile is in use already, etc
12:48<at0m>that's asking for trouble
12:49<annadane>GNU has icecat, which i've not extensively tried
12:50<annadane>stupid browsers...
12:50<arto>annadane: there are many browsers in debian repo, they just will not get security patches
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12:56<mnuhmnuh>w3m works well when you don't need full blown gui.
12:57<mnuhmnuh>it's cool like mutt, passes data types to helper progs.
12:59<arto>w3m handles tables and frames, even images if you install w3m-img
13:11<mnuhmnuh>arto: fire up emacs x gui, Mx w3m
13:11<mnuhmnuh>w3m-el
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13:11<mnuhmnuh>tabs, bookmarks, cookies, ...
13:13<arto>and no JavaScript
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13:26<flips>dpkg: zfs
13:26<dpkg>ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (http://deb.li/7xXU). The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel since 7.2 has ZFS support, the userland utilities are packaged as zfsutils. Native Linux support from zfsonlinux.org, #zfsonlinux channel on freenode, is included in Debian starting with <stretch> and <jessie-backports> with some caveats due to license conflicts.
13:27<flips>should work fine on non-root fs, then :)
13:28<arto>with some caveats due to license conflicts
13:28<mnuhmnuh>non-root? /sbin's in root. where's zfsutils live?
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13:48<flips>mnuhmnuh: non-root as in mkfs on /somewhere/else ... ;)
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14:33<mnuhmnuh>flips: see, isn't that all *anybody* really needs for ultimate security, a crypto'd to death protected $bam that gets and sorts and manages ... the rest? that should be smiple [sic].
14:36<mnuhmnuh>i've made do with simple ssh to do that sans exporting filesystems, but samba's old tech, as is zfs now.
14:38<mnuhmnuh>i think it's cool i can boot into tails with a persistent ptn on a usbkey whenever i want to try and play with it. should work in any amd46 box anywhere. :-)
14:39<mnuhmnuh>amd64
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14:43*mnuhmnuh "EM64T"; chuckle.
14:45<mnuhmnuh>i suspect emacs -nw would have no trouble running w3m too.
14:47<mnuhmnuh>i wonder if letting root run w3m is questionable/dangerous. depends what root does with it, i suppose.
14:53<arto>mnuhmnuh: why would you need w3m as root?
14:53<arto>or a browser
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15:03<mnuhmnuh>arto: w3m bills itself as just a better pager util like less, but with muscles. so, i can see someone as root in emacs -nw w3m-el ...
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15:05<arto> mnuhmnuh: so if you are used to w3m I guess it's ok, I've so used to vim, that I always use view
15:06<mnuhmnuh>i use both vim and emacs, depending on what i'm doing.
15:06<arto>mnuhmnuh: you really are a rare guy! :)
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15:08<mnuhmnuh>meh, i use man and pinfo and xman, and apropos.
15:08<mnuhmnuh>!tmtowtdi
15:08<dpkg>There's More Than One Way To Do It (in Perl, or....)
15:08<arto>pinfo here too, info is too confusing
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15:29<mnuhmnuh>"xman -notopbox -bothshown &" is great once you track down some x resource settings.
15:30<mnuhmnuh>grep -i xman .Xresources | grep -v ^! | pastebinit --> https://paste.debian.net/1041399/
15:32<mnuhmnuh>well, that mangling is new. "[01;31m [Kxman [m [K.manualBrowser.geometry ..." not supposed to happen.
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15:34<mnuhmnuh>alias grep='grep --color=always' # always is new; testing it out. will revert back now.
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15:38<mnuhmnuh>fixed: https://paste.debian.net/1041401/
15:38<mnuhmnuh>--color=auto
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16:22<agrecascino>how would i rebuild my kernel to change an option
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16:23<rudi_s>agrecascino: apt install linux-source; cd /var/tmp; tar xf /usr/src/linux*.xz; cd linux-*; cp /boot/config-xxx .config; make menuconfig; make -j10 deb-pkg
16:25<agrecascino>thanks
16:25<agrecascino>i tried using apt-get source linux and then messing with that but it didn't work
16:26<rudi_s>agrecascino: That would work too, but is much more complex because it builds the general Debian linux packages .. of which there are many. With deb-pkg you get a single .deb that you can install.
16:27<agrecascino>it built but my config option disappeared
16:27<rudi_s>agrecascino: Not sure how the source package handles the config. But anyway, deb-pkg is the way to go.
16:28<rudi_s>Btw. if you only need the resulting package for a single system, consider using localmodconfig (once all required kernel modules are loaded). Significantly reduces the build times by omitting unused kernel modules.
16:29<agrecascino>my builds are pretty quick anyway so it's not that much of an issue
16:29<agrecascino>if you can throw 32 threads at a problem there is no longer a problem :^)
16:30<rudi_s>;-)
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16:46<agrecascino>rudi_s,
16:46<agrecascino>make[2]: *** [debian/rules:4: build] Error 2
16:46<agrecascino>dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build subprocess returned exit status 2
16:46<agrecascino>:<
16:46<rudi_s>agrecascino: dpkg-buildpackage?
16:46<agrecascino>it was at the end of the build seemingly
16:47<rudi_s>agrecascino: Ah, scroll up for the error message.
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16:49<agrecascino>can i somehow pipe my output into a text file?
16:50<agrecascino>oh wait
16:50<agrecascino>make[4]: *** No rule to make target 'debian/certs/test-signing-certs.pem', needed by 'certs/x509_certificate_list'. Stop.
16:50<agrecascino>make[3]: *** [Makefile:1048: certs] Error 2
16:50<rudi_s>agrecascino: You can. make -j deb-pkg > foo 2>&1
16:50<agrecascino>uhm
16:51<rudi_s>agrecascino: Just to be sure, that's from the make deb-pkg from the extracted tarball in /usr/src?
16:51<agrecascino>yes
16:53<rudi_s>agrecascino: You could try ./scripts/config --set-str CONFIG_SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYS ''
16:54<rudi_s>But maybe that was another build failure and I'm confused about the error message.
16:54<rudi_s>Have a look at debian/rules and see what's it doing with 'debian/certs/test-signing-certs.pem'
16:54<rudi_s>(My command is only relevant for Stretch, if you're using Buster or later it won't work.)
16:55<agrecascino>i'm on buster
16:56<rudi_s>Then that's something else. Check the debian/rules file.
16:56<rudi_s>Or maybe not.
16:56<rudi_s>I build a custom kernel about an hour ago on Sid and it worked.
16:56<rudi_s>(And I was using that ./scripts/config command.)
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17:30<mnuhmnuh>kernel-handbook - "4.2. Rebuilding official Debian kernel packages".
17:32<mnuhmnuh>buster --> #debian-next
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17:42<mnuhmnuh>rudi_s: why are you building kernels when root? lazy? :-)
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17:46<rudi_s>mnuhmnuh: What?
17:47<rudi_s>Why should I do that?
17:48<rudi_s>(I command line only showed the relevant commands. Of course only the first (apt) should be run as root.)
17:48<mnuhmnuh>rudi_s: "cd /var/tmp; tar xf /usr/src/linux*.xz" root.
17:48<rudi_s>mnuhmnuh: What?
17:48<rudi_s>Works just fine as normal user.
17:49<mnuhmnuh>i'm quoting you: "agrecascino: apt install linux-source; cd /var/tmp; tar xf /usr/src/linux*.xz; ..."
17:49<rudi_s>mnuhmnuh: So what?
17:50<mnuhmnuh>rudi_s: why are you building kernels when root? lazy? :-)
17:50<rudi_s>I never suggested what was run as which user. I gave a user a summary of what to do and expected he knows which user to use for which part.
17:50<rudi_s>mnuhmnuh: Please annoy somebody else.
17:57<mnuhmnuh>attention deficit ... oh look, a bird!
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18:11<agrecascino>uh
18:11<agrecascino>well it's working now so
18:12<agrecascino>and now i have openmpt running in wine running through qemu-user-mode on ppc64le
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20:43<mnuhmnuh>make menuconfig ... i have no idea what that prompt/item is offering to do ... ffs. sigh.
20:45<iflema>mnuhmnuh: toggle modules of the kernel on/off and toggle settings in general
20:45<iflema>are you serious
20:49<sarnold>mnuhmnuh: hopefully helpful https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/
21:00<mnuhmnuh>no, not serious, "... no idea what that prompt/item is offering to do" was me staring at make menuconfig and not understanding what i was looking at. haven't built a kernel in ages.
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21:12<mnuhmnuh>sarnold: you're nuts, or crazy, or divinely inspired ... same thing all, but digress.
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